Okay, what did I miss about Desmond in the flash-sideways??
Volfie999
love, and...okay, is Widmore making him do these things? Why is he
following Hurley? Why is he trying to kill a still-handicapped John
Locke?
Now, if we don't know yet--we the audience I mean--then fine, don't
bother speculating, I'm sure we'll find out what's going on
eventually. But did something happen in the Desmond episode that I
missed or forgot? Did Widmore send him on a mission to screw with
people?
Ar Q
"Volfie999" <mooseb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I think he and Charlie compared notes last week and have it figure out.
EGK
You said you don't want speculation but this is kind of half and half. I
thought this episode was meant to show us that Desmond is now aware of
what's happening in both time lines. Of course I could be totally wrong.
-:)
Bob
He wanted the names of the people on the passenger manifest so he
could show them something.
jdtiger
I think it's possible that he was trying to make Locke bridge the
timelines in the same way Charlie got him to do it. Probably, if Hugo
hadn't had his meeting with Libby before he saw Desmond, Desmond would
have stabbed him in the neck with a chicken bone.
Rick
"Volfie999" <mooseb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Apparently through his interactions with Charlie and Daniel, he now realizes
there are two realities and it is strongly implied that he has full
awareness in both realities. It is also implied that running over Locke is
somehow related to his realization on the island that Locke is now possessed
by an evil force. Obviously we don't know all the specifics yet, but it is
implied that he is trying to "make things right" by somehow changing the
off-island reality to how it was meant to be - that is, to undo the damage
caused by the H-bomb going off.
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Steven L.
"Volfie999" <mooseb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Last week he's working for Widmore, meets Penny, falls instantly in
> love, and...okay, is Widmore making him do these things? Why is he
> following Hurley? Why is he trying to kill a still-handicapped John
> Locke?
Because he has a dim memory of the other timeline in which FLocke (Smoke
Monster Locke) tried to kill him by throwing him down that deep well.
And Desmond is taking revenge.
Or maybe Desmond is trying to jog the handicapped Locke's memory. If he
did, he picked a risky way to do it.
-- Steven L.
Hunter
5e6d52...@w17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, mooseb...@hotmail.com
says...
> Last week he's working for Widmore, meets Penny, falls instantly in
> love, and...okay, is Widmore making him do these things?
No, Widmore in either timeline doesn't know a thing about it.
> Why is he following Hurley?
He knows what happened in the Original timeline which is why he
urged Hurley to go after the woman who claimed to know him on an
Island (she remembers the previous timeline and thought herself crazy
for it and probably the reason she checked herself into the mental
hospital) which Hugo did, culminating in Libby kissing Hugo on the
beach releasing a flood of memories from the Original timeline.
>
> Why is he trying to kill a still-handicapped John
> Locke?
Since you don't want speculation: The short answer is we don't know.
If you can tolerate some speculation: It could be out of revenge, for
who he thought was John Locke in the previous timeline, but I doubt
it very much. It is probably because he knows that a traumatic near
death event-maybe just with people who actually died in the Original
timeline (although Desmond hasn't died in the original timeline, yet)
-will trigger his memories of the Original timeline like when Charlie
almost choked to death and getting visions of his love Claire or when
Charlie almost drowned Desmond making Desmond remember Penny
prompting him to seek her out. That was the immediate cause of him
going around and finding his fellow Flight 815 passengers and making
them remember the Original timeline. Indeed, Desmond was told
specifically by Eloise NOT to go around asking questions. Widmore
knows nothing of what he is doing.
Desmond running over Locke could also be that this is a way for Jack
to be able to make him walk again in addition to making Locke
remember his time on the Island. I think Desmond-both of them
Original and New timeline-knows everything including the future and
is acting accordingly which is why he has this beatific, serene
expression on his face in both timelines and wasn't afraid of Flocke,
even though I think he knows that wasn't the real John Locke who
threw him into that well in the Original timeline.
>
> Now, if we don't know yet--we the audience I mean--then fine, don't
> bother speculating, I'm sure we'll find out what's going on
> eventually. But did something happen in the Desmond episode that I
> missed or forgot? Did Widmore send him on a mission to screw with
> people?
---
No.
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
Volfie999
> In article <36f2468c-969b-4ee6-9a8f-
> 5e6d521c2...@w17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, mooseboys...@hotmail.com
Okay, that seems to make sense. Thanks. :)
Peppermint Patootie
Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Yes. Getting people from the original timeline together sees to be the
way to change things by reactivating their memories. And Desmond is the
agent of change who is bound to get people together. Eloise doesn't
want him to because that would screw up Widmore's grasp at power.
PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm
David Cheatham
> Desmond running over Locke could also be that this is a way for Jack
> to be able to make him walk again in addition to making Locke
> remember his time on the Island. I think Desmond-both of them
> Original and New timeline-knows everything including the future and
> is acting accordingly which is why he has this beatific, serene
> expression on his face in both timelines and wasn't afraid of Flocke,
> even though I think he knows that wasn't the real John Locke who
> threw him into that well in the Original timeline.
I think that sideways Desmond is actually *from* the future.
Actually, I think all of them are...that the 'sideways' timeline is
entirely a trick, at the end of the series, to keep them from doing
something very very important, and they need to WAKE UP. (And some of
the ghosts also ended up in there, apparently.)
And I think *past* Desmond flashed, forward through time, into him. I
don't know if he knows exactly what happened.
Hunter
9FB29F.153...@news.individual.net>,
peppermin...@yahoo.com says...
I was answering his question: "But did something happen in the
mission to screw with people?"
The answer is No.
Hunter
da...@creeknet.com says...
I disagree. Particularly the ghost part. Libby, Antz, Boone, Locke,
Charlie etc. are as alive as Desmond, Hurley, Jack, Sun, Jin are. and
its Late September/Early October 2004. Desmond simply got a flash of
the Original parallel timeline just like Charlie did: He had a near
death experience. I do think putting his 2007 Original timeline
version of himself in that huge magnetic field and his 2004 parallel
Universe version in the CAT scanner which is tantamount to the same
thing, may have given both of them-and they are linked together-a
unique prospective, but I don't think either are from the future
persee unless taken from the 2004 perspective that the living Losties
at least are from 2007.
Hunter
>
> "Volfie999" <mooseb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:36f2468c-969b-4ee6...@w17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > Last week he's working for Widmore, meets Penny, falls instantly in
> > love, and...okay, is Widmore making him do these things? Why is he
> > following Hurley? Why is he trying to kill a still-handicapped John
> > Locke?
> >
> > Now, if we don't know yet--we the audience I mean--then fine, don't
> > bother speculating, I'm sure we'll find out what's going on
> > eventually. But did something happen in the Desmond episode that I
> > missed or forgot? Did Widmore send him on a mission to screw with
> > people?
>
> Apparently through his interactions with Charlie and Daniel, he now realizes
> there are two realities and it is strongly implied that he has full
> awareness in both realities.
I totally agree.
>
> It is also implied that running over Locke is
> somehow related to his realization on the island that Locke is now possessed
> by an evil force.
Locke is *not* possessed. It is the Smoke Monster in the *form* of
Locke. Locke's body is safely buried on the Island. Near Boone and
Shannon and Libby and Ana-Lucia and Nikki and Paulo-and the particles
of Ilana (RIP). I believe his running over Locke is to make him
remember and maybe put him in position to have his legs fixed by
Jack.
>
> Obviously we don't know all the specifics yet, but it is
> implied that he is trying to "make things right" by somehow changing the
> off-island reality to how it was meant to be - that is, to undo the damage
> caused by the H-bomb going off.
It is going to take more making people remember for that to happen.
That Parallel timeline is as real as the Original. I think Desmond's
intent is to just have everyone find each other, especially their
significant others. In Locke's case also to fix his legs. I believe
he doesn't want to go back to the Old timeline, just remember it and
have everyone remember why they care so much about each other-or
should. I mean why would Locke go back to the Old Timeline in which
his dad was morally responsible for the deaths of Ford's (Sawyer's)
parents, swindled him out of a kidney, pushed him out of a window,
the love of his life is dead, he goes on a false quest for meaning
life by pursuing the meaning of the Island failing and then being
murdered by Ben Linus. Why go back to that? Why would Sayid go back
to a universe in which Nadia is dead? Where he's essentially dead?
Why would Jack go back to a world without his son? One could argue
that they would go back for the higher purpose of maintaining "truth"
but I don't think so. If my Parallel Universe theory is right, then
that world, that new timeline is just as valid as the original
universe. It existed for as long as the original one since the big
bang and it will exist until the big Fizzle or Crunch along with an
infinite number of other timelines. Why go back? Remembering it and
counting the blessing they have now and why they have them is what
important and I think that is what Desmond has in mind.
David Cheatham
> In article <xn0gsvto...@news.windstream.net>,
> da...@creeknet.com says...
> > Hunter wrote:
> >
> > > Desmond running over Locke could also be that this is a way for
> > > Jack to be able to make him walk again in addition to making
> > > Locke remember his time on the Island. I think Desmond-both of
> > > them Original and New timeline-knows everything including the
> > > future and is acting accordingly which is why he has this
> > > beatific, serene expression on his face in both timelines and
> > > wasn't afraid of Flocke, even though I think he knows that wasn't
> > > the real John Locke who threw him into that well in the Original
> > > timeline.
> >
> > I think that sideways Desmond is actually from the future.
> >
> > Actually, I think all of them are...that the 'sideways' timeline is
> > entirely a trick, at the end of the series, to keep them from doing
> > something very very important, and they need to WAKE UP. (And some
> > of the ghosts also ended up in there, apparently.)
> >
> > And I think past Desmond flashed, forward through time, into him. I
> > don't know if he knows exactly what happened.
> ---
> I disagree. Particularly the ghost part. Libby, Antz, Boone, Locke,
> Charlie etc. are as alive as Desmond, Hurley, Jack, Sun, Jin are. and
> its Late September/Early October 2004. Desmond simply got a flash of
> the Original parallel timeline just like Charlie did: He had a near
> death experience. I do think putting his 2007 Original timeline
> version of himself in that huge magnetic field and his 2004 parallel
> Universe version in the CAT scanner which is tantamount to the same
> thing, may have given both of them-and they are linked together-a
> unique prospective, but I don't think either are from the future
> persee unless taken from the 2004 perspective that the living Losties
> at least are from 2007.
No, I meant 'the future of the series'. Aka, I think the
'flashsideways' we've been seeing actually hasn't happened yet, and
won't 'really' happen, that it is a mind-trap, to distract people, that
will happen later.
But I actually think I said that backwards. The sideways and original
Desmond 'crossed paths', as I think everyone agrees.
But I meant that the 'sideways' world is not actually an alternate
universe in the past...it's an imaginary universe they're all trapped
in at the end of the series. I.e., 'sideways 2004' *is* the future,
except they're all in a coma and we're seeing in their head.
So what I mean was that sideways Desmond, when original Desmond was
remembering him, actually was normal Desmond (there's only one) seeing
the future. (And future Desmond also remembered his own memories, which
had previously been altered.)
However, I admit I have no evidence of this. I'm just being contrary to
the idea of multiple universes.
Also, I have no idea if Desmond actually *understood* the future he
saw. I suspect he did, and I think he had a good reason for trying to
kill Locke. (I don't think that was an attempt at a near-death
experience like some have suggested.)
Peppermint Patootie
Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
My yes to say "I agree with you."
PP