What up with that ghostbuster device?
ark lost fan
Very strange.
s0183616
> Did anyone else think he was firing up a Dust Buster?
>
> Very strange.
It was indeed a Ghostbuster fakey device.
tdciago
> Did anyone else think he was firing up a Dust Buster?
Yes. I think it was done for a very specific reason:
Miles Straume = Maelstrom
maelstrom
1 : a powerful often violent whirlpool sucking in objects within a
given radius
whirlpool
1. A rapidly rotating current of water; a vortex.
2.
a. Turmoil; whirl.
b. A magnetic, impelling force into which one may be pulled.
A rapidly rotating current of water or other liquid that sucks
everything near it toward its center.
vortex
1: something that resembles a whirlpool
2 a: a mass of fluid (as a liquid) with a whirling or circular motion
that tends to form a cavity or vacuum in the center of the circle and
to draw toward this cavity or vacuum bodies subject to its action
________________________________
Entering a maelstrom is like getting sucked into a pneumatic
tube...like the one in the Pearl station.
I think the island is inside, or at one end, of a maelstrom /
whirlpool / vortex. It occurred to me during tonight's episode that
rain on the island may be connected with the action of this whirlpool.
kryppy
It sure found the heroin and cash well enough...
ark lost fan
Ooooooh! Cool idea. I hadn't caught the maelstrom/ Miles S???
connection.
Tim
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s0183616
> On Feb 7, 9:50 pm, tdciago <tdci...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 7, 10:35�pm, ark lost fan <ronbreed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did anyone else think he was firing up a Dust Buster?
>> Yes. I think it was done for a very specific reason:
>>
>> Miles Straume = Maelstrom
Is that the official spelling of the name? Was it in the credits?
If so, this is indeed another intentional anagram, I believe.
tdciago
> It was show for grandma. He did not need any device on the island.
I'm not sure if it was just for show, only because he turned it on in
the room, when the grandmother wasn't there. However, he clearly did
not need it on the island. That may be because the nature of the
island made such a device unnecessary, and enhanced whatever powers
Miles actually has.
Notice how a dead girl, whose body was just "meat," gets a flashback?
Miles was speaking to Naomi's spirit. He knew it was no longer in her
body.
Ron
So, Starbuck is also on the island? :)
tdciago
> Is that the official spelling of the name? �Was it in the credits?
I don't think they show that in the credits, but it's the official
spelling. There have been press releases, etc.
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Miles
> If so, this is indeed another intentional anagram, I believe.
Not an anagram, but an intentional homonym.
Gumby
> It was show for grandma. He did not need any device on the island.
i would agree but then why did he turn it on on the bedroom when he
was alone and the door was closed?
Gumby
that's not an anagram. it's more like an allusion or a type of pun.
s0183616
Aah, you are correct. I was assuming anagram without actually looking
to see if that worked.
Well, it's probably still intentional. Not so positive now, though.
s0183616
> Tim wrote:
>
>> It was show for grandma. He did not need any device on the island.
>
> i would agree but then why did he turn it on on the bedroom when he was
> alone and the door was closed?
So she would hear it. She was expecting to hear something after his speech.
s0183616
I got it now. I wasn't paying close attention.
BB
>> "ark lost fan" <ronbr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:66ffae33-27a1-41bb...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Did anyone else think he was firing up a Dust Buster?
>>>
>>>Very strange.
>>
news:47abd4b7$0$4945$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> Tim wrote:
>
>> It was show for grandma. He did not need any device on the island.
>
> i would agree but then why did he turn it on on the bedroom when he was
> alone and the door was closed?
>
>
>>
Noise to cover his conversation with the Grandson.
tdciago
> So, Starbuck is also on the island? :)
Why, yes. Eko built one.
S2E18 Charlie: Is it a Starbucks?
:) Oh, *that* Starbuck.
I think the emphasis here is on the *Star*. As in "Catch a
Falling..."
Ryan Robbins
though he was some kind of specialist, then to create white noise so the
woman wouldn't hear him rummaging around.
Robert
> Did anyone else think he was firing up a Dust Buster?
>
> Very strange.
It looked like a Dust Buster with some stuff taped to it.
My interpretation is that he used it to cover up what was going on in
the room, and also to generally be impressive.
s0183616
Yep.
Tim
question I have is what was in the bag. Drugs? Was Walt into drugs? He was
rather young for that.
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Jim Shaffer
Maybe the writers have seen too many episodes of Reaper on the CW
network (which coincidentally will be airing opposite Lost next month
when they run out of episodes of Supernatural.)
Either that or it's some sort of electromagnetic torsion field
generator...
s0183616
> because he thought she would come in like most people would. Biggest
> question I have is what was in the bag. Drugs? Was Walt into drugs? He was
> rather young for that.
Umm, that was not Walt.
Right? Someone please confirm this.
I'm not wrong on this, am I?
tdciago
> Either that or it's some sort of electromagnetic torsion field
> generator...
A handheld, mini version of the island's anomaly.
BB
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I think that was just to establish him as a "Medium". That wasn't Walts
Grandmother. Miles stated that the grandson had been murdered.
tdciago
> Miles Straume = Maelstrom
Poe's "A Descent into the Maelstrom"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Descent_into_the_Maelstr%C3%B6m
"Inspired by the Moskstraumen, it is couched as a story within a
story, a tale told at the summit of a mountain climb. The story is
told by an old man who reveals that he only appears old - 'You suppose
me a very old man,' he says, 'but I am not. It took less than a single
day to change these hairs from a jetty black to white, to weaken my
limbs, and to unstring my nerves.' The narrator, convinced by the
power of the whirlpools he sees in the ocean beyond, is then told of
the 'old' man's fishing trip with his two brothers a few years ago.
Driven by 'the most terrible hurricane that ever came out of the
heavens', their ship was caught in the vortex. One brother was pulled
into the waves; the other was driven mad by the horror of the
spectacle, and drowned as the ship was pulled under. At first the
narrator only saw hideous terror in the spectacle, and felt helpless.
Then, as a moment of revelation, he saw that the Maelstr�m is a
beautiful and awesome creation. Suddenly seeing how objects around him
are pulled into it, he deduced that 'the larger the bodies, the more
rapid their descent' and that spherical-shaped objects were pulled in
the fastest. Unlike his brother, he abandoned ship and held on to a
cylindrical barrel until he was saved several hours later. He tells
the narrator the story without any hope that the narrator will believe
it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskstraumen
"The Moskstraumen (popularly known as the Maelstrom) is a system of
tidal eddies and whirlpools, one of the strongest in the world, that
forms in a strait adjacent to the Lofoten archipelago, Norway...
The Swedish bishop Olaus Magnus showed it on his 1539 map Carta
marina, ascribing it to divine force and describing it as stronger
than the Sicilian Charybdis."
s0183616
I know. Why would anyone think that had anything to do with Walt?
ark lost fan
you're right... the kid's name was not walt... and the pics on her
wall were not of a kid that young,
Darren Delgado
> On Feb 7, 10:48�pm, "Tim" <T...@askme.net> wrote:
>
> > It was show for grandma. He did not need any device on the island.
>
> I'm not sure if it was just for show, only because he turned it on in
> the room, when the grandmother wasn't there. However, he clearly did
> not need it on the island. That may be because the nature of the
> island made such a device unnecessary, and enhanced whatever powers
> Miles actually has.
I thought he turned it on because it made noise, and might help
prevent accusations from clients that he isn't really doing anything.
Because apparently what he does isn't very flashy.
> Notice how a dead girl, whose body was just "meat," gets a flashback?
> Miles was speaking to Naomi's spirit. He knew it was no longer in her
> body.
I'm not sure what you are going for here. Why wouldn't she get a
flashback? They were showing the back stories of the five people who
were sent to the Island.
V&S
whisperer on the show. Another passenger on the sci-fi highway...
Steven L.
We didn't see him rummaging around. He seemed not to know where the
items were until he actually heard a sound coming from there, remember?
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
tdciago
> I'm not sure what you are going for here. �Why wouldn't she get a
> flashback? �They were showing the back stories of the five people who
> were sent to the Island.
Yes, but four of those people were still alive when we saw their
flashbacks. The fact that Naomi was already dead, but we were seeing
a memory from her point of view, is significant.
tdciago
> Then why was it important for him to be taken to the body?
Maybe he knew that Naomi's spirit would hang around her body until she
was able to communicate with him and give him the information he
needed. Such an idea would be part of her training. Notice that
Charlotte wanted Locke to stay in one place until her team could
locate them; Naomi had the same idea. Kate knew where her body was,
and the team would most likely come to retrieve it. And the ghost of
the boy in the flashback, who had been killed, was still hanging
around the grandmother's house because he had unfinished business
there.
Gumby
No biggie - we're all factoid geeks ;-)
Gumby
that makes the most sense to me
karal...@yahoo.com
> s0183616 wrote:
> > Ryan Robbins wrote:
> >> I think he used the hand-held vacuum as both a prop to make it appear
> >> as though he was some kind of specialist, then to create white noise
> >> so the woman wouldn't hear him rummaging around.
>
> > Yep.
>
> We didn't see him rummaging around. He seemed not to know where the
> items were until he actually heard a sound coming from there, remember?
>
> --
> Steven L.
> Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
I think showing him pocketing the cash and leaving the drugs was
significant enough to show that this character isn't doing this sort
of work because he feels compelled to do nice things for people. This
guy is a little shady, and therefore would be the sort of person who
could be "bought" and go on this sort of adventure to the island. In
other words, he's bad enough to take the cash, not bad enough to take
the drugs and totally screw the grandmother out of $200.
I don't know why people have been so disappointed with this episode.
I think it was important to give viewers a sense of this rag-tag group
that was dropped on the island. For once we have some background on a
group of people on the series and now some viewers get "bored".
Gumby
> because he thought she would come in like most people would. Biggest
> question I have is what was in the bag. Drugs? Was Walt into drugs? He was
> rather young for that.
I thought so, too. Maybe time does move differently on the Island.
Gumby
ooooooohhhhhh
Thank you for clearing that up.
Gumby
Because the grandson in the picture looked a lot like him and most
flashbacks reveal connections between characters.
Gumby
> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:58:55 -0800 (PST), tdciago <tdc...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Feb 7, 10:48?pm, "Tim" <T...@askme.net> wrote:
>>
>>>It was show for grandma. He did not need any device on the island.
>>
>>I'm not sure if it was just for show, only because he turned it on in
>>the room, when the grandmother wasn't there. However, he clearly did
>>not need it on the island. That may be because the nature of the
>>island made such a device unnecessary, and enhanced whatever powers
>>Miles actually has.
>>
>>Notice how a dead girl, whose body was just "meat," gets a flashback?
>>Miles was speaking to Naomi's spirit. He knew it was no longer in her
>>body.
>
>
> Then why was it important for him to be taken to the body?
Exactly. He called it "meat" after he set her spirit free. That's why
he needed to see her body. He's more like that little woman in
Poltergeist than a ghostbuster.
Gumby
> s0183616 wrote:
>
>> Ryan Robbins wrote:
>>
>>> I think he used the hand-held vacuum as both a prop to make it
>>> appear as though he was some kind of specialist, then to create white
>>> noise so the woman wouldn't hear him rummaging around.
>>
>>
>> Yep.
>
>
> We didn't see him rummaging around. He seemed not to know where the
> items were until he actually heard a sound coming from there, remember?
>
>
But he may have expected to rumage around - hence he brought the
device wirth him.
Bev Vincent
"ark lost fan" <ronbr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Did anyone else think he was firing up a Dust Buster?
>
> Very strange.
I think it was just a noise generator to cover his searching activities in
the room.
--
Bev Vincent
www.BevVincent.com
tdciago
> I think it was just a noise generator to cover his searching activities in
> the room.
Lostpedia claims "The device he brought upstairs makes and spreads
cold air. It's a common device that real-life ghostbusters use to
flush spirits out of their hiding places."
I know that ghosts are often associated with cold air, but I haven't
found any source that describes this kind of device (regardless of
whether it looks like what we saw) or its use by ghostbusters. Maybe
someone else will have better luck.
Priscilla H. Ballou
s0183616 <s018...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Because to some white folks all young black men look alike?
Priscilla
Ron
> On Feb 8, 11:28�am, "Bev Vincent" <MaxDev...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think it was just a noise generator to cover his searching activities in
> > the room.
>
> Lostpedia claims "The device he brought upstairs makes and spreads
> cold air. It's a common device that real-life ghostbusters use to
> flush spirits out of their hiding places."
I've never seen one used on "Ghost Hunters". <G>
Tim Witort
@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Flashbacks aren't memories from a character's point
of view. They are scenes from a character's past.
-- TRW
_______________________________________
t i m . w i t o r t
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Ryan Robbins
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> s0183616 wrote:
>> Ryan Robbins wrote:
>>> I think he used the hand-held vacuum as both a prop to make it appear
>>> as though he was some kind of specialist, then to create white noise so
>>> the woman wouldn't hear him rummaging around.
>>
>> Yep.
>
> We didn't see him rummaging around. He seemed not to know where the items
> were until he actually heard a sound coming from there, remember?
That's why it was easier than he thought -- he didn't need to rummage around
after all. But he was expecting to.
Ryan Robbins
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On Feb 8, 1:35?am, God's Debris <hea...@dead.net> wrote:
>And the ghost of
>the boy in the flashback, who had been killed, was still hanging
>around the grandmother's house because he had unfinished business
>there.
All we had was a guy talking to nobody, a bag falling behind something, and
the guy finding it. That's hardly enough for anyone to conclude that there
was a ghost.
dabu...@direct.ca
> "tdciago" <tdci...@aol.com> wrote in message
One of my favourite songs of 2007--- "Weighty Ghost" by Wintersleep
I got out of bed today
Swear to God couldn't see my face
I got out of bed today
Starring at a ghost
Who forgot to float away
Didn't have all that much to say
Wouldn't even tell me his own name
And where'd my body go
*Bridge*
Where or where'd my body go
Africa or Mexico?
Oh where'd my body go
And where'd my body go?
*Chorus*
Oh have you seen my ghost?
Seen my ghost, seen my ghost
Oh have you seen my ghost
Starring at the ground?
Oh have you seen my ghost?
Seen my ghost, seen my ghost
Oh have you seen my ghost?
Sick of those goddamn clouds
Are you some kind of medicine man?
Cut the demons out of my head
You can't kill something that's already dead
Just leave my soul alone
I don't need no surgery
Take those knives away from me
Just wanna die in my own body
A ghost just needs a home
*chorus*
Na na na na na na
*chorus fade out*
Darren Delgado
I don't assume that all flashbacks are memories. But I haven't read
ahead to spoil all 8 episodes so I don't know, nor want to.
rob...@bestweb.net
> On Feb 7, 10:35�pm, ark lost fan <ronbreed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Did anyone else think he was firing up a Dust Buster?
>
> Yes. I think it was done for a very specific reason:
>
> Miles Straume = Maelstrom
Good! Even though I had his last name in my head as Strom and I was
trying to figure out what it referred to, I didn't get that.
But anyway, I thought his little vacuum cleaner was there to make
noise to cover up his activities.
Robert
Ron
Rob, do you watch BSG? (Battlestar Galactica)