[season 2 e1]
>http://pickup.mofile.net/24524478623198562471
>[Season 2 episode 2]
Yeah, 3kb per sec upload speed. Forget it.
--Phil
when I watch it it doesnt work
Thanks a million for uploading these episodes. You are Great. The
second series has not been shown in Europe and we can't get the plans
of the TV stations on its future. So this site is a super service and
we want to thank you for the uploads and all the time you have spent on
the projesct. Have a great holiday season. Lorcan
hey thanks dude but there is only 8 minutes of this episode. do u know
where i can get the full one?? thanks
Of course not.
If your downloading files you need to be on ADSL or Broadband as the
files are very large. They do play as AVI files on Windows Media
Player. Episodes 8 & 9 download as executables "exe". Just rename them
with AVI at the end instead of "exe" and they work. I found no Virus's.
Why don't you guys just enjoy the downloads like I did and quit the
bitching.
Mike Is doing a great job posting them for us guys in Europe and
elswhere outside the USA.
I guess Some people are Like the guy who goes to a basement and see's
two doors. One says "Enter Paradise". The other " Lecture on Paradise".
Which one would you choose??
Those who have downloaded and enjoyed the programs rally round and
thank MIKE as I did. Hope Episode 10 comes soon. Have a look at this
site for lotsa trivia on LOST
This is a great site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28TV_series%29
Lorcan
Oh my, you are ignorant.
I am sure that you can extrapulate accordingly. I guess one of the
visisitudes of public forums is the requirement to endure balls of
smoke, as your argument/point shows.
Yes, my fellow Europeans as we know facts are such stubborn little
bastards! Use them with care. As for Ryan we also know A police state
is GREAT when you're the police!
Veni, Vidi, Vici.
Q.E.D
Lorcan
So this makes you right and your actions legal? You seem to be comparing
yourself to Robin Hood or something.
If there are no plans to air it in his area, there cannot possibly be
any harm done. Victimless crimes shouldn't exist in a free society,
or among rational people at all for that matter. But I'm probably
wasting my time typing this, because if you were capable of figuring
that out you would have already.
No harm done? Nah, you just stole money from the owners of the show.
I am in the UK and have been downloading series 2 and I too am waiting
for episode 10, firstly if ANYONE has any links to the truth about Lost
S02 not being shown over here.COULD THEY POST SOME INFO!!!!
How does someone downloading a TV show take money from the owners of the
show?
1.Even if the commercials were left in the shows we download and we
bought the products the advertisers have already paid the show for their
ad time.
2.I have worked with teenagers who buy "pirate" music albums for less
than a third of their original price.
My point is these kids don't have the money or the inclination to buy a
"real copy", why would they when a cd copy sounds the same.
3.Most people who download a new movie are just treating the low quality
film like an extended trailer and if they like it they go to the cinema
and watch it and pay the cash.
cheers
Kembo
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Kembo Dee
Because they have a right to charge you for it. Why is this concept so
difficult for people to understand?
I'm not going to agree with the "I wasn't going to buy it anyway"
argument, because I think that is a silly argument to make.
The sticking point is that the product is already available for FREE
over a broadcast network. Its not pay channel like Showtime or HBO or
even a cable channel like Sci-Fi.
The DVDs are not free anywhere. The producers have every right to set their
prices for broadcast and other media. The public, on the other hand, has no
right to possess a copy of anything. If the show isn't broadcast in a
country, that's too bad for potential viewers in that country.
]The DVDs are not free anywhere. The
] producers have every right to set their prices
] for broadcast and other media. The public, on
] the other hand, has no right to possess a copy
] of anything. If the show isn't broadcast in a
] country, that's too bad for potential viewers in
] that country.
Are you that stupid in real life, or do you just play an "Idiot", on
this News Group?
Educate yourself on intellectual property law, copyright law in particular,
and you will see that I am not an idiot on the subject.
]The DVDs are not free anywhere. The
]producers have every right to set their prices
] for broadcast and other media. The public, on
] the other hand, has no right to possess a copy
] of anything. If the show isn't broadcast in a
] country, that's too bad for potential viewers in
] that country.
]Are you that stupid in real life, or do you just
] play an "Idiot", on this News Group?
]Educate yourself on intellectual property law,
] copyright law in particular, and you will see
] that I am not an idiot on the subject.
But you are an Idiot when it comes to posting! If you will re-read the
third sentence in your post, you said, and I quote "The public, on the
other hand, has no right to possess a copy of anything."
So what you are saying is that everyone who has ever used a VHS tape or
a DVDR disc to copy a TV show is breaking the copyright laws? Even
though those same people bought those blank VHS tapes, and DVDR discs
"legally" in a store. What do you think those people were going to use
them for? Even the TV Industry knows what people do with them, and they
have not said a word in over 20 years. Now you are going to tell me that
everyone who has ever copied a TV show has broken the copyright law even
though they have been legaly selling the means to do so for years. I
think you need to "re-educate" yourself, on the Copyright Law!
God help you get a brain, because it's absolutely impossible to explain
anything in the simplest of details that you might have a chance in a blue
moon of comprehending and understanding...
The main point IS the product is available for free, but if Lost series
2 is not broadcast in the UK, because I have downloaded it, I wouldn't
buy it on DVD.
It's not a silly point it's true, I downloaded series 1 therefore I
won't be buying it on DVD.
Let me tell what is on TV tonight in the UK
Lost Episode 20 / Do No Harm.
Do you understand why people are downloading it?!!!
Thank You
>
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Kembo Dee
Like I said in my previous post:
Wednesday 21st December 10pm
Lost Episode 20 / Do No Harm
Channel 4 UK TV Channel
It's not too bad, you just download it !!
--
Kembo Dee
Well answer the question!!
Is everyone who has ever used a VHS tape or a DVDR disc to copy a TV
show breaking the copyright laws?
and my question:
Are people who sell PVR, DVD Recorders, DVDR supplying something for the
purpose of "commiting a crime"?
>
>
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Kembo Dee
Most likely they are. But business is business. :-) When Sony (owner of
Columbia for instance) sells DVD players than can also play divx's,
aren't they aware that the players are likely to be used with files
downloaded from the net? Of course they are, but as Vespasian put it,
"Money has no smell".
About the whole topic of copyright laws, I recommend the lecture of
Lessig's "Free Culture"
http://www.free-culture.cc/freeculture.pdf
(you can download it. It's free! :-) ).
It explains a lot of interesting things, including some historical
facts, as that the Hollywood movie industry was born when the
independent producers escaped from Edison patents, infringing the law;
or that cable TV refused for 30 years to pay to the authors of programs
it broadcasted.
--
Shevek
>
> But you are an Idiot when it comes to posting! If you will re-read the
> third sentence in your post, you said, and I quote "The public, on the
> other hand, has no right to possess a copy of anything."
>
> So what you are saying is that everyone who has ever used a VHS tape or
> a DVDR disc to copy a TV show is breaking the copyright laws? Even
> though those same people bought those blank VHS tapes, and DVDR discs
> "legally" in a store. What do you think those people were going to use
> them for? Even the TV Industry knows what people do with them, and they
> have not said a word in over 20 years. Now you are going to tell me that
> everyone who has ever copied a TV show has broken the copyright law even
> though they have been legaly selling the means to do so for years. I
> think you need to "re-educate" yourself, on the Copyright Law!
Basically, it comes down to the fact that corporations don't care what
you do if they don't think they have a way to make money off of what you
are doing. Once they figure out a way, the rules suddenly change.
Prime example: iTunes. When iTunes first came out, you were able to
watch music videos for free. Once they saw that lots of people watched
the videos, they suddenly want $2 per view. For a stupid video.
As for your question about VHS/DVR recordings of broadcast content,
its a pretty well-established "right" of the public (and HAS been ruled
on by courts, especially when VHS/BETA tech was first mass marketed) to
be able to record broadcast content for PRIVATE use, as long as it is
not sold or used for profit in any way.
I'd have to do some Googling, but I'm also fairly certain that US law
allows a person to make a "backup" of any recording they purchase for
archival purposes, and this extends to computer software as well. But
again, one is not legally allowed to distribute copies in any way to
another person or entity.
I'm pretty sure Ryan is right about this. Yes Ryan I do agree with you.
Although I have done it. I don't think it is the number one priorty on the
internet police list. I just say follow your concience(sp). This point has
been argued to death. If your going to download shows or movies don't go
annoucing it.
AA
This is a good point. One of the reasons that companies don't
generally go after videotape copiers and swappers where there's no
current market for a product is that there is always the hope that, by
doing so, the swappers will CREATE a market.
The case of Japanese anime comes most quickly to mind. When I and
hundreds like me were creating and swapping tapes of anime back in the
'70s and '80s, there wasn't a large enough market for companies to
translate and sell it in America. It was mainly BECAUSE of the taping
and swapping that went on that the market for it was born - as more
people became exposed to it, they found they liked it and the companies
on both sides of the Pacific began to take notice.
Now you can find the stuff on television, in regular video stores, just
about everywhere. And the companies are happy because they can make
profit, and the fans are happy because they get quality videos and DVDs
instead of the grainy 4th generation copies they used to have to watch.
But it's debatable that any of it would have come about if not for the
underground fan network of videotapers of my generation.
RWG (it certainly wouldn't have come about so quickly)
> In message <rxaqf.4805$u36.1976@trndny01>, Ryan Robbins
> <ryan_r...@bangorinfo.com> writes
>
>> <WG...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:629-43A...@storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
>>
>>> So what you are saying is that everyone who has ever used a VHS tape or
>>> a DVDR disc to copy a TV show is breaking the copyright laws?
>>
>>
>> God help you get a brain, because it's absolutely impossible to explain
>> anything in the simplest of details that you might have a chance in a
>> blue
>> moon of comprehending and understanding...
>
>
> Well answer the question!!
> Is everyone who has ever used a VHS tape or a DVDR disc to copy a TV
> show breaking the copyright laws?
I don't know what the copyright laws are like in whatever shithouse
country you happen to live in.
But here in America, there is a difference between taping a broadcast
program off the air (with all of its commercials intact), versus
downloading a version of the show that's commercial free.
Because with a VCR you've copied the commercials as well as the show.
And it's the commercials the sponsors are hoping you'll at least catch a
glimpse of.
One of the reasons that sponsors are moving to product placements as
well as commercials, is so the product placements will be embedded in
the show, even if the commercial-free version is downloaded. Thus,
anyone on earth who downloads the episodes of Survivor is going to be
forced to hear about Home Depot, Pringles, etc. And that pleases me no
end. It's American revenge for the world's screwing us over on terrorism.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
lxa
We've been over this issue a zillion times. Search the archives.
Most industrialized nations have their copyright laws in line with what is
called the Berne Convention.
> By searching the net I found
> that the producers of the show had a website with the episodes
> available for viewing for those people who had missed the odd episode
> and wanted to see what they had missed. To view the episodes was free,
> and to my way of thinking if the producers of the show were willing to
> do this, they must have been more concerned about their viewers than
> their sponsors (the episodes they had available to watch on the net had
> no ads in them).
The producers of "Lost" have never provided the shows on the Internet for
free. In fact, the only legal place to get episodes on the Internet is at
iTunes.
]But here in America, there is a difference
] between taping a broadcast program off the
] air (with all of its commercials intact), versus
] downloading a version of the show that's
] commercial free.
So what about the use of a VCR or DVDR that omits all commercials?
Would doing that be in violation of copyright laws? Even though you can
buy one just about anywhere! I am sure the networks are well aware of
the fact that people have been recording their shows without the
commercials, or fast forwarding through them for many years now, and
they look the other way. If they were at all concered about it, I am
sure they would have pressed the government into banning all recordable
devices. So if they are not concerned about it, then why should anybody
else be?
]Well answer the question!!
]Is everyone who has ever used a VHS tape or
] a DVDR disc to copy a TV show breaking the
] copyright laws?
]We've been over this issue a zillion times.
] Search the archives.
In other words, you do not have an answer! If you did you would be
spewing it ad nauseam.
"Everyone" breaks the copyright laws, just like everyone speeds on the
highway! And if the TV networks are not worried about it, why are you?
A shithouse of a country that doesn't defy the Geneva Convention by
taking detainees to a colony to torture them and then claim the
Convention doesn't apply there because it's not American Soil.
>
>But here in America, there is a difference between taping a broadcast
>program off the air (with all of its commercials intact), versus
>downloading a version of the show that's commercial free.
But here in downloading land if one of your gracious citizens is nice
enough to download Lost and cut the commercials to save us download
time, all the better for everyone else.
As I don't live in your fantastic country I doubt the sponsors care as
I'm not going to come over and buy their products!!
You dickhead!!
>
>Thus, anyone on earth who downloads the episodes of Survivor is going
>to be forced to hear about Home Depot, Pringles, etc. And that pleases
>me no end. It's American revenge for the world's screwing us over on
>terrorism.
I'M NOT BOTHERED ABOUT SURVIVOR, IT'S LOST I'M BOTHERED ABOUT
the world isn't screwing you over on terrorism, your country is trying
to screw everyone else over who has a bit of oil under their soil!!
>
>
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Kembo Dee
> ]7:28pm (PST+8) From:
> ] sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net (Steven L.)
>
> ]But here in America, there is a difference
> ] between taping a broadcast program off the
> ] air (with all of its commercials intact), versus
> ] downloading a version of the show that's
> ] commercial free.
>
> So what about the use of a VCR or DVDR that omits all commercials?
> Would doing that be in violation of copyright laws? Even though you can
> buy one just about anywhere! I am sure the networks are well aware of
> the fact that people have been recording their shows without the
> commercials, or fast forwarding through them for many years now, and
> they look the other way.
You're comparing apples and oranges.
The networks cannot *force* you to record and playback their commercials
rather than skip them, any more than they can *force* you to watch the
commercials rather than go to the bathroom during commercial breaks.
But that recording you made is assumed to be for your own personal use.
If you start giving it to other people, especially if they pay you for
it (even a "donation"), that's a whole other story.
Last season (don't remember if you were here), we went thru a similar
discussion about transcripts. A transcript of a Lost episode isn't even
a recording; someone just listens to the show and manually types the
dialogue into a word processor. Nevertheless, that's a violation of
intellectual property rights. Early in Lost Season 1, the producers
went after a couple of websites that provided transcripts and shut them
down. More recently, however, the Lost producers have recognized how
their most loyal fans depend on online transcripts, and have decided to
look the other way. It's still illegal. But they're looking the other way.
Actually that pretty much makes it legal. It is the defense of
estoppel. Once the owners of the copyright knowingly allow someone to
distribute their work they will have a very hard time restricting
another from doing the same thing.
That is why big corporations like Disney, or the International Olympic
Committee, aggressively protect their logos, and copyright materials.
Sometimes it makes them look like they are bullying some innocent little
guy. But if they didn't they would lose a lot of the rights to the
symbols and images.
That's why you see this mumbo jumbo ...
"Nothing contained herein shall be construed as conferring by
implication, estoppel or otherwise any license or right under any patent
or trademark of <Company Name> or any third party."
--
Seinfeld Lists
http://wave.prohosting.com/tnguym
LOST - ScreenSnaps & Sawyer's Nicknames
http://tinyurl.com/a2r2r
Hey, DIPSTICK, The UK is there in the Middle East protection British
Petroleum interests and torturing terrorists along with the US.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that)
wrong with what?
going after oil or torture
>
>
>
>
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Kembo Dee
False. Under trademark law the owner has a duty to pursue and shut down
those who infringe on the mark. But under copyright law the owner has no
obligation to protect his rights. The owner can sue violators selectively
without losing rights to the work.
Interesting difference. Thanks.
Okay, so it is "trademarks" they go after. Like in 1988 The IOC suing a
nice Greek family for having an "Olympic Cleaners" in Calgary, etc.
1. You'll need divx code to playback the video properly,
2. It's not some sort of .exe file that could harm your computer.
Enjoy.
MK
Carol
Carol
Copyright. We've been over this a zillion times.
that's right! the link to episode 9 doesn't work!!
pls help!
love,
rachel
SCH
lo
http://pickup.mofile.net/41441384202179164129
Happy new year!
have seen nthe recent posts on the rights and wrongs of recording TV
on video etc.
Here in the UK, the biggest broadcaster of digital tv SKY is heavily
promoting SKY + which is its own system to record live tv shows so you
can watch them when you want. As a broadcaster it is encouraging
copying of its own broadcast tv shows including channel 4 (which shows
LOST) !!!!
So please who ever you are get of your suposedly moral high horse and
get a reality check. No one here is copying copywrite protected dvd
movies and offering them for sale.
If i want to keep lost for posterity i will buy the DVD, but right now
i am trying to keep up with whats happening, and not rip off a tv net
work that is openly encouraging recording of its own shows, and even
selling the equipment to do so !!!
Anyway, if anyone can help i am trying to find Lost - Season 2 episode
5. The link to the mofile site posted earlier just says the file has
expired. If anyone can help it would be most appreciated.
Also, Apple I-tunes in the USA are offering all the back lost episodes
for sale at $1.99 per episode. However, if you are from the UK you
can't set up a US account without a US CC or US paypal account .... and
for the idiot who keeps on about piracy, i would have actually bought
episode 5 from this site legally if i could actually have a US account.
Rant over. If anyone cann help with episode 5 thank alot, and keep up
the good work.
SM.
scout...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks MK!
buck wrote:
> Mr. Robbins. I am not ignorant. Thanks to this site many LOST fans got
> to see Season 2 to Episode 9. There are no plans for TV stations in
> Europe to air Season 2. I and others have checked. Decency prevents me
> saying anything stronger to you at this point, though I am tempted.
> Suffice to say We have looked at your many postings in Google. It is
> abundantly clear that empty vessels make most noise and there are more
> horse's asses than there are horses.
>
> I am sure that you can extrapulate accordingly. I guess one of the
> visisitudes of public forums is the requirement to endure balls of
> smoke, as your argument/point shows.
> Yes, my fellow Europeans as we know facts are such stubborn little
> bastards! Use them with care. As for Ryan we also know A police state
> is GREAT when you're the police!
> Veni, Vidi, Vici.
>
> Q.E.D
>
>
> Lorcan
Thank you so much for putting all of these on here, my roomies and i
very much so appreciate it, but we just tried downloading episode 5 and
it says the file is expired. We've downloaded all the other files you
uploaded and they work great. Anything you can do to help would be
great.
Thank you.
Just go to the Apple iTunes music store. They have all the Season 2
episodes and they're legitimate. (Unless $1.99 is just *way* too much
for you to consider paying for an episode of TV.)
http://pickup.mofile.net/49849745608186784970
This one should work.
Cheers.
Ah, I see. I wasn't aware of that.
> Here in the UK, the biggest broadcaster of digital tv SKY is heavily
> promoting SKY + which is its own system to record live tv shows so you
> can watch them when you want. As a broadcaster it is encouraging
> copying of its own broadcast tv shows including channel 4 (which shows
> LOST) !!!!
>
> So please who ever you are get of your suposedly moral high horse and
> get a reality check. No one here is copying copywrite protected dvd
> movies and offering them for sale.
I'm all in favour of getting something for nothing so long as it hurts
nobody - but what you're saying is completely wrong in the eyes of the
law... LOST *is* copyrighted.
Although you can record Sky+ you aren't allowed to share that recording...
so the only way you could have a legally owned copy is if you subscribe to
Sky+ and you pay for the service... so it's NOT available free anywhere,
and it IS illegal to download it via BT.
> and for the idiot who keeps on about piracy, i would have actually
> bought episode 5 from this site legally if i could actually have a US
> account.
Agreed - if a new episode is available in the US before the UK it goes
without saying users in the UK will try to acquire it by whatever means...
i'm sure there's a Perfectly Good Reason for keeping the UK behind, but i
fail to see it.
Roll on 11th Jan.
The link gives wrong pick up code.
--goleador
Cheers.
Does anyone have an up to date pick up code for Season 2 EP9. I geth
the following message when I try using the above "Pickup code doesn't
exists. Please try again."
Many Thanks
>From a legal copyright prospective i kind of agree with you.
Technically its illegal to tape a radio show, video a tv show etc etc
without the express and prior authorisation of the owner of the
copyright.
This is where the legal system and the broadcasters and the owners of
the copyright are all at odds. As i said SKY actively encourage its
viewers to COPY (for their own use and not for distribution) SKY
broadcasts including LOST. This is illegal. Also stupid as it may be,
technically anyone who might watch or listen to the recording who is
not part of the subscription service (i.e friends coming round for a
beer) is also breaking the law, and the person with the subscription is
also breaking the broadcast and distribution laws.
This is all a load of BO*****S but if the law is the law then all
videos, tape records, recording devices of any kind including SKY+
should be illegal, or licensed and monitored etc etc etc.
The point i was making here was that no one is doing this for a
monetary reward or personal gain, and it is not depriving anyone of
revenue. If a program is broadcast on freeview TV, anyone capable of
recieving the program is allowed legally to view it, and as above the
broadcasters, are encouraging viewers to copy the programs for personal
use - even though this breaches various copyright and potentially other
broadcasting/distribution laws.
Right or wrong, legal or illegal, millions of people own videos, tape
recorders, dvd recoders, and computers, and so unless they make them
all illegal to own and confiscate the lot... taking us back into the
dark ages (something that people in some areas of government would love
to do), then there will never be an end to the copying of broadcast
material.
The rights and wrongs and legalities of downloading are a completely
different issue, and thus the whole internet is called into question.
One poll undertaken last year came up with a figure of 83% of global
domestic internet use (excluding email) was technically illegal,
breaching various copyright, pornographic or other local legal issues
!!!! With the spread of broadband and other faster connections this was
expected to top 90% by the end of 2006. If this is true there are
billions of new criminal every day, and the majority of them are under
the age of 18 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bzzt. Wrong.
See the Sony vs. Betamax court case.
You may record programs for your personal use. It's called "fair use"
and it is very legal. What you may not do is distribute those copies to
others.
Regards,
Noal
Try LimeWire.. Then do a search for lost season 1
you have to download divx to watch it.
AA
Who will win ?
Lets hope its the back up software companies
The actual "fair use" of a copy still breaches copyright, but courts
would seldom prosecute a case of an individual due to the crazyness of
the situation.
Anyway if you read further on i said its all crazy and everyone is at
odds with each other. In one had they talk about breaching copyright,
yet in the other the same companies talk about selling their own
equipment to copy the products, and the courts are in the middle.
That was my point - the whole situation is unclear and crazy, and no
one wins.
The other point i was trying to make is that no one here is doing
anything to deprive anyone of revenue.