The Secrets Of LOST

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Lost Through Post-9/11 Eyes

TAPPER: How much is it fair to look at "Lost" through post-9/11 eyes?

CUSE: I think all of us exist and live in a post-9/11 world so it can't help but inform us as writers because we live and feel the same things that everyone else does in a world post-9/11.

LINDELOF: When we were first working on the pilot, the idea that it was going to start with a plane crash and that all throughout the first 10 or so episodes of the show there are just shattered pieces of the plane all around -- people started to process that 9/11 metaphor without it being intentional at all.

ABRAMS: These questions had come up. But it wasn't until we got to the set the first day and saw this airplane -- we had taken an airplane and shipped it to Hawaii and we'd built this set but it was a real plane -- that it was so depressing and it was so numbing to see this plane there. It was a very interesting thing that that reality of not just a plane crash but, you know, but 9/11 itself there -- it wasn't theoretical anymore. I actually sort of felt it more that first day that I was on the set than I had before.

LINDELOF: There was a scene in Season 1 where they've been getting attacked by The Others and Locke comes out on the beach and he's saying, "We've been attacked by these people, sabotaged by these people. We need to stop worrying about attacking each other, and we have to start worrying about them." And I remember watching that scene in dailies for the first time and going, "Oh, wait a minute!" That was the first moment where from the inside looking out I suddenly realized that -- it wasn't intentional but at the same time very similar things were being said on Fox News.

And I thought that we were going to get now accused of doing the big political statement. The whole idea of sort of al Qaeda -- the invisible enemy, they hate us but we don't know why, but then when you look at things from their point of view you begin to sort of look at things in an entirely different way -- that parable started playing out on the show.


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On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:41:49 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> LINDELOF: There was a scene in Season 1 where they've been getting attacked by The Others and Locke comes out on the beach and he's saying, "We've been attacked by these people, sabotaged by these people. We need to stop worrying about attacking each other, and we have to start worrying about them."

But when you know what was REALLY going on on "Lost", Locke's line becomes both even more chilling and hilariously funny.

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Here's a MAP to understanding LOST.



Metaphor, Allegory, Parable.


It's not a real M.A.P it is an acronym.


Metaphor, Allegory, Parable.


But this M.A.P. will help you navigate your way thought the maze of LOST.

Repeat after me....


Metaphor...

Allegory...

Parable...


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So....

Let's start from the beginning, and go slow and easy, OK.


The LOST Oceanic Fight that crashed on the double digit date of September 22, 2004, was a metaphor for, the actual 9/11 crash that occurred 3 years earlier on the real world double digit date of September 11, 2001.

It is easy to see, and if you need, rewatch the video top posted in this thread. I mean, good lord, do the 3 show runners have to be more explicit that the LOST airliner crash that started the series was a metaphor for 9/11?

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.tv.lost/7v0kGwmlMvE/XVRgDdoyEQAJ

Watch the video and look at the vid cap in the top post. After you have thoroughly listened and seen those we will continue.


In the meanwhile, repeat this mantra after me....



Metaphor...

Allegory...

Parable...



Feels good doesn't it? Now take a deep breath, hold it, and slowly exhale while repeating after me...


Metaphor...

Allegory...

Parable...

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Metaphor, Allegory, and Parables are literary storytelling devices that tell a fictional story to illuminate or amplify reality.

Think about that for a moment, M.A.P. are stories that tell untrue tales, to show a side of the real world the writer wishes to convey. The writers by design are telling us a lie, to reveal a greater truth.

An easy example of this technique is found in the Hebrew Bible. Both old and new testaments are full of Metaphor, Allegory, Parables.

So if LOST was a Metaphor, Allegory, or Parable as the writers have said it was, and LOST was in part a metaphor for 9/11, we need to look deeper and know as much as we can about 9/11 in the real world, to decypher what the storytellers of LOST are trying to say.

Of course we don't have to do any of this if we just want to watch for fun and enjoy say, the shock and awe of the LOST island smoke monster billowing across the island terrain ...

... which striking resembles the smoke billowing up from the rubble after the attack in New York. Anyway,


...that's enough for now. Remember to say your prayers and repeat your mantra...


Metaphor...

Allegory...

Parable...



Deep breathe... Repeat...

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The 9/11 metaphor employed by the Bad Robot writers of LOST, was not unique to LOST. Bad Robot used shades and reflections of the disaster on several television series including FRINGE, PERSON OF INTEREST, STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS and lastly Damon Lindelof's HBO series THE LEFTOVERS. At the end of the interview with Lindelof, Cuse and Abrams top posted in this thread, is a segment with Tim Lahaye of the Left Behind series of books, which is eerily similar to Lindelof's THE LEFTOVERS.

During an interview prior to THE LEFTOVERS premiere, Lindelof was asked if THE LEFTOVERS series was a parable for 9/11.

Here is his response in video format.

https://vimeo.com/122245408











TAGS: Damon Lindelof, “Lost”, “Star Trek”, The Rapture, Dec. 16 2013

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During the series FRINGE, another Bad Robot production, every one of the main characters either jumped or fell from, the World Trade Towers in New York. STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS was criticized by loyal Trek fans as being a right-wing conspiracy take on 9/11. The list could continue, but to recap; LOST was a Metaphor, Allegory, Parable, for the events that occurred on September 11, 2001 and the aftermath.

If you can not see this M.A.P. or refuse to use it while exploring the themes behind LOST, you will go off into hundreds of tangents and unrelated topics and become thoroughly lost.


When you do get LOST, return to the MAP to find your way back.



And remember to breath deep and repeat:


Metaphor...

Allegory...

Parable...

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In early November 2004, 2 months after the LOST pilot episode aired, Elvis Mitchell of KCRW interviewed JJ Abrams. During that discussion Abrams talked about his idol Rod Serling's use of Metaphor, Allegory, Parable in science fiction to explore issues of race, religion and politics, and doing so under the radar of the network advertisers and censors. Using literary methods of M.A.P., Serling was able to write about issues that concerned him and could get aired because science fiction was able to address areas sensitive to the public but below their immediate perception.

Mitchell interjected that issues of race, religion and politics were today generally easily addressed. Abrams agreed but went on to talk about the nature of the island and what it really was, indicating to me, there was something Abrams was trying to hide in plain sight on LOST, concealed in Metaphor, Allegory, Parable. What if the island wasn't just an island?

You can listen to the full interview from November 10, 2004 at KCRW at this link:

https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-treatment/j-j-abrams

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Not every plot point of a fictional M.A.P. is reflective of actual reality. If it did, it would simply be a retelling of history. It is important to understand LOST does not retell a story literally. The real history underneath LOST is like a thread woven though the fictional fabric, with the thread rising to the top surface at times with more clarity than others.

You can see this in the M.A.P. of the crash of Oceanic Flight 815 which has parallels to 9/11. Oceanic 815 is not a clear straightforward retelling of 9/11, but a distorted reflection, in a larger allegory.

So it is unreasonable to expect every character or every plot point to be reflected in real history. But there are landmarks that can be seen in a six season overview of the LOST story that parallel real world events.







Mantra Time:


Metaphor...

Allegory...

Parable...

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Not only is the LOST narrative not literal, it is not linear. To make LOST entertaining the LOST writers decided to reveal the island history in non-linear time jumps. And the LOST island history spans thousands of years, making it even more complex.

But instead of focusing on the minutia, on the trees, stand back, look at the forest from a distance, and keep you M.A.P. handy and your ancient history book close by, because we are going to jump into the history of the magical, mysterious LOST island. Use the major landmarks of the LOST narrative to navigate through history.

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> But instead of focusing on the minutia, on the trees, stand back, look at the forest from a distance, and keep you M.A.P. handy and your ancient history book close by, because we are going to jump into the history of the magical, mysterious LOST island. Use the major landmarks of the LOST narrative to navigate through historical highlights.



We begin thousands of years ago with the birth of two brothers. In time the twins would grow to dislike each other and even try to kill one another. One brother wanted to destroy the other destined to be the land owner and spiritual leader. The twin brother destined to ownership of the land was named Jacob.

Is this an allegory or a literal retelling? When the fiction begins to converge with reality, you have discovered a fabric thread the writers are using to weave an allegory.

A jump forward in time to the 1950s. Jacob's tribe has a nuclear bomb, acquired from the US military. To conceal it they hide the bomb in the basement of a villa where they live and work.

Is this an allegory or a literal retelling?

Another jump forward in time to the 1970s. People come from all over the world to live and work on the land in a communal settlement. It's a magical place and time. But there are threats from the indigenous people, who want to kill them. Everyone has a gun, and there is a fence around the settlement for protection.

Is this LOST mythology or is this real history? What does the M.A.P say?

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Another jump forward in time. We look up and a plane crashes in midair. The survivors are terrorized by billowing smoke that we learn is related to the brother who wants to kill Jacob.

Metaphor, Allegory, Parable, or reality?

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In 2013, between the finale of LOST (M.A.P. 9/11) and the premiere of THE LEFTOVERS (a kind of 9/11 parable) Dammon Lindelof a showrunner for both series embarked upon a unique and new writing project.

Lindelof hatched "Unscrolled: 54 Writers and Artists Wrestle With the Torah" (1)


Reboot, the highly selective Jewish think-tank that invites “young, Jewishly unconnected cultural creatives” to imagine ways of modernizing and revitalizing Jewish tradition, has unfurled its latest effort with “Unscrolled,” a compendium of divrei Torah written by popular artists and writers. (2)


Unscrolled retold the stories of the Torah in a modern way. It wasn't easy. "The difficult subject matter triggered such a dynamic discussion that Lindelof suggested a project tackling the whole Torah, but in a nuanced and personal way." (2)


“I just liked the idea of trying to reinvent a story that felt familiar, but looking at it through a newer lens,” (2)






(1) http://www.unscrolled.org/

(2) https://jewishjournal.com/news/los_angeles/122701/lost-creator-damon-lindelof-takes-on-torah-with-unscrolled/




Was LOST a Lindelof retelling of the Torah? I don't think so. Was LOST just a story about September 11, 2001. Hardly.

LOST was Lindelof's historical reinterpretation of the land of Jacob.

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As mentioned earlier, JJ Abrams talked in 2004 with Elvis Mitchell about the two sides of the LOST storytelling; The stand alone episodes centered on the characters, and the serialized side that focused on the land of Jacob.

The stand alone stories drew us in emotionally, made us fall in love or despise different characters, but for the most part we rooted for them to be happy, to live and to love.

The serialized side of LOST involved the mythology of the island of Jacob. Like the brief thousand year overview in an earlier post, here now is a short recap of some of the elements of the mythology of LOST.

The land of LOST was inhabited by a small but fierce group of people who were dedicated to safe guarding the land. These inhabitants were known as the Others. The Others developed chemical and biological weapons and had a nuclear bomb. The Others spoke a dead language among themselves, had an ancient temple, and had raised a red heifer at one of the stations. The land had a security fence that kept out hostiles, including Jacob's ancestral brother, the unnamed smoke.

John Locke's story bridged the divide between stand-alone story and the mythology. John was a messianic figure, a fan favorite who believed the land of Jacob was special. John was rumored to be immaculately conceived, and eventually died after being hanged on a cross by an Other, an Other John had once called a Pharisee.

If you look across time in real history, these metaphor, allegory and parables of the LOST mythology are easy to see as historical reinterpretations in the Land Of Jacob.

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Easter Eggs (you thought you saw but didn't see)


Easter eggs on LOST were hidden clues concealed to all the but the really dedicated viewers who microscopically examined individual screen frames of LOST. These little hidden gems aided in revealing the underlying metaphor, allegory and parables.

Screen captures of the easter eggs will not be included in this post, but if you have read this far, trust me, what I am about to tell you is true.

As the LOST survivors in season two make their way across the land of Jacob to retrieve explosive dynamite at the Black Rock freighter ship, they have a gun fight with a small group of Others. Behind Kate and Sawyer for the briefest moment, there appears to be an image that looks a lot like the Black Stone of Mecca. Black Rock-Black Stone. This image was not some weird video artifact, it was indeed added by visual effects department on purpose. I won't say how I know this, but again, trust me.

Third season, Hurley and Sawyer discover the first-seen Dharma Bus in overgrown jungle bush. Inside is a map. The map is a reversed image of a real map of the Temple Mount. Don't trust me? Dig out the DVD's and look for yourself.

This one nearly floored me. Season two, after Locke is pinned under a blast door in the Swan Station and recovering on crutches, he examines the top of the blast door. Hi-res screen caps reveal this is another map, a satellite map, concealed above the blast door area Locke is examining. The satellite map is of the Negev Desert where the Dimona Nuclear reactor is located in the Land Of Jacob.

Season six, survivors rustle though belongings and for a split second reveal "The Chosen", by Chaim Potok. This one was caught and recorded at Lostpedia, but is a very worth while addition to this list of easter eggs in the Land Of Jacob.

Season two, Ben Linus jokes about ambushing survivors from a cave, survivors aided by a map he had drawn on the backside of the title page torn from "The Brothers Karamazov". Sayid's finger covering part of vOZAMArak, shows through the translucent paper to reveal "OZAMA". Remember M.A.P. ? Remember September 11, 2001?

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When LOST finally came to an end in 2010 there were complaints from fans that some of the LOST mysteries weren't adequately explained. After six seasons and 121 episodes in total this is probably not unusual. But Heeb Magazine published an article by Arye Dworken, addressed to JJ Abrams in an open letter complaining about what he called the "Hebraic Mystery". (1)

Dworken explains:

"However, here’s my major problem with Lost. I just looked it up on IMDB and found that there were 178 characters, including Teenage Boy, Flight Attendant #2, “Old Scooter Man” and Gate Attendant. Wonderfully gifted actors working on a wonderfully crafted series (I’m looking at you, Lotto Girl) and none were Jewish. Not even “Anxious Guy.” His real name is Brad Berryhill and that’s as WASPy as it gets. Don’t get me wrong — I’m not saying there needed to be a Jew. I just find it weird that with so many religious undertones (or in some instances, super overtones) the only bone we get is a Star of David on a stained glass window in a church during the final ten minutes." (1)


Dworken continues his argument saying two of the creators of LOST, JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof, are Jewish. Two out of three show creators and not one Jewish character in 121 episodes, and only one Jewish symbol in the last few minutes of the series finale. What Dworken didn't say or didn't know was Jack Bender, executive director and producer on LOST was Jewish and Jack Bender's wife is a rabbi. I discovered this tidbit when a fan made video appeared on youtube with both Benders having an open discussion of LOST with fans in Tel Aviv. Rabbi Bender worked on the show too, and was the voice of the whispers on the island.

So the Hebraic Mystery is where are the Jewish characters on LOST? Dworken was correct, there were no EXPLICIT Jews or Jewish characters.

But the IMPLICIT Jewish characters were all over the LOST island, the Land Of Jacob. Those were known as THE OTHERS.












(1) http://heebmagazine.com/an-open-letter-to-j-j-abrams

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By now you probably have a good idea to the LOST question JJ Abrams asked during the 2004 interview with Elvis Mitchell; What is the island?

If you look at the M.A.P. I have laid out it should be apparent and if not, discover for yourself the Biblical name given by G-d to Jacob. (1)

"Israel is a tiny Island in the heart of a giant Arab sea" - David Ben Gurion

Damon Lindelof and the writing team at Bad Robot aren't the only ones who think and write in metaphor, allegory and parables.



(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

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On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 1:01:01 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 12:44:29 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 10:36:28 PM UTC-5, doc...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 5:41:49 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > LINDELOF: There was a scene in Season 1 where they've been getting attacked by The Others and Locke comes out on the beach and he's saying, "We've been attacked by these people, sabotaged by these people. We need to stop worrying about attacking each other, and we have to start worrying about them."
> > >
> > > But when you know what was REALLY going on on "Lost", Locke's line becomes both even more chilling and hilariously funny.
> >
> >
> > Here's a MAP to understanding LOST.
> >
> >
> >
> > Metaphor, Allegory, Parable.
> >
> >
> > It's not a real M.A.P it is an acronym.
> >
> >
> > Metaphor, Allegory, Parable.
> >
> >
> > But this M.A.P. will help you navigate your way thought the maze of LOST.
> >
> > Repeat after me....
> >
> >
> > Metaphor...
> >
> > Allegory...
> >
> > Parable...
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> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.tv.lost/7v0kGwmlMvE/XVRgDdoyEQAJ
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>
>
> So....
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> Let's start from the beginning, and go slow and easy, OK.
>
>
> The LOST Oceanic Fight that crashed on the double digit date of September 22, 2004, was a metaphor for, the actual 9/11 crash that occurred 3 years earlier on the real world double digit date of September 11, 2001.

A little.

But mostly it was a clue in the form of an allusion to the real world sinking of Engine (locomotive) 115 into a hole on Sept. 22, 1892 in Lindal-in-Furness, in the northwest part of England. That event inspired Arthur Conan Doyle's short story, "The Lost Special", for which "Lost" was named & on which its plot was partly based.

Most of the allegory on "Lost" was allegoric telling of the plot of "Lost" as other plots within "Lost". So for instance Benry's story of having been on a balloon flight and crashing, giving his identity as that of a dead person who seems to have died in such a crash; that's a miniature retelling of the story given by the soi-disant survivors of the crash of Oceanic flight 815. That was to serve as a clue to us that the story told by these supposed survivors was just as phony as that of the supposed Henry Gale, and that their identities were just as phony. Much of season 6 was similarly allegory for occurrences on "Lost".

There was a little bit of allegory as parody on "Lost" too. A hilarious example was the story of Jughead (Jehova/Jew's head) and Jughead's apparent "baby" (delivered by Jack) who would "save the world".

But you're off target if you think "Lost" was MOSTLY metaphor, allegory, or parable. "Lost" was primarily a mystery the viewer could solve, because we were given a slough of clues, but not what would've been the most important clue, which would've been being told it WAS a mystery whose solution was not made explicit.

Mystery
Magic tricks
Allusions
Clues

MMAC, not MAP.

Bobbo in NJ

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But it much more clearly relates to 9/22/1892.

> So it is unreasonable to expect every character or every plot point to be reflected in real history. But there are landmarks that can be seen in a six season overview of the LOST story that parallel real world events.

But the relationships between those characters and plot points to the connections I've found to both the real world and the fictional world -- especially the world of mystery fiction and drama, conspiracy documentation and speculation, and other literature -- most especially British -- are more numerous and apt than the ones you're pointing to. With some brilliant writing, the makers of "Lost" DO manage to ground practically every character and plot point in some previously existing material. Just to pick one such basis I discovered only in the past year, "Sawyer" is a near-anagram of "Ray Shaw", the title character of "The Manchurian Candidate" by Richard Condon, and Sawyer's personality is based on that earlier character. When we hear a character on "Lost" ask of another, "Think he's a candidate?", they mean it in the sense of "Machurian Candidate"; the question means, "Think he's brainwashed?"

Give examples of what you think characters and occurrences on "Lost" refer to as metaphor, satire, etc., and I'll tell you what they mean to fans of mystery drama and fiction. My connections will be deeper and more numerous, and they'll point to what was really going on on "Lost" so the viewer could solve it.

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On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 6:36:43 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not only is the LOST narrative not literal, it is not linear. To make LOST entertaining the LOST writers decided to reveal the island history in non-linear time jumps. And the LOST island history spans thousands of years, making it even more complex.

Oooo, you (like most viewers) fell for that! There were no time jumps on "Lost". Instead characters were knocked out and made to BELIEVE they'd gone to another time. There were plenty of clues to show they really weren't in the time they thought they were in.

It was only fairly recently that I learned the appearance of time jumps (by that term) was the m.o. of a Marvel comics character named for (and drawn in the likeness of) a character (and the actor playing that character) on "Department S", the British detective TV series I interested Damon Lindelof in before he started "Lost", and on which the plot of "Lost" is mostly based. The Marvel comics character similarly uses mind tricks to cause that appearance.

And the ancient hx of "Lost"? Total fabrication! THAT part was allegory. There was nothing interesting about the island location until just a short time previous to the events depicted.

Bobbo in NJ

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On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 7:06:07 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> We begin thousands of years ago with the birth of two brothers. In time the twins would grow to dislike each other and even try to kill one another. One brother wanted to destroy the other destined to be the land owner and spiritual leader. The twin brother destined to ownership of the land was named Jacob.
>
> Is this an allegory or a literal retelling?

Allegory. The brothers never existed. They represent Benry & Widmore -- who correspond to Howard Finch and Terrell in "Department S" episode "One of Our Aircraft Is Empty". Someone must've "gotten it", because subsequently Michael Emerson was cast as Howard/Harold Finch on "Person of Interest".

The name Jacob was chosen to evoke the Biblic character, giving a clue to "Lost"'s plot as one of usurpation, which was also the plot of "One of Our Aircraft Is Empty".

> A jump forward in time to the 1950s. Jacob's tribe has a nuclear bomb, acquired from the US military. To conceal it they hide the bomb in the basement of a villa where they live and work.
>
> Is this an allegory or a literal retelling?

Some of the characters (those who were not in on the deception) thought it was a real bomb. The presentation is simultaneously a parody of the entire Holy Bible and a satire or parable of the religious strife between Jehovistic religions since then. Of course it wasn't a real bomb; "Lost" would not have had such an unrealistic plot. The US military would never have surrendered such a weapon to a bunch of nuts as apparently depicted. The whole affair seems to have been arranged to convince Jack, Juliet, Sawyer, and maybe some other characters that the proceedings were sincere.

Bobbo in NJ

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On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 7:43:56 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Another jump forward in time. We look up and a plane crashes in midair. The survivors are terrorized by billowing smoke that we learn is related to the brother who wants to kill Jacob.
>
> Metaphor, Allegory, Parable, or reality?

None of the above. Scam.

The plane's breaking up in mid-air and its being witnessed from the surface are a shot-for-shot from "Department S" episode "The Duplicated Man" (German title "Doppelt Oder Nichts"), which is a clue by means of variationg on a theme. The "crash" was staged for the witnesses to be fooled. The real Oceanic 815 went down elsewhere, as we were shown, killing all aboard. The "survivors" were doubles.

Bobbo in NJ

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On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 9:46:27 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Was LOST a Lindelof retelling of the Torah? I don't think so.

In small part, yeah, and hilariously so, as I wrote upthread.

> Was LOST just a story about September 11, 2001. Hardly.

It had hardly anything to do with that. Think Sept. 22, 1892 instead.

> LOST was Lindelof's historical reinterpretation of the land of Jacob.

Partly, but only incidentally to its having been similar to many other plots, and to have been so connected by "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", i.e. the Priory of Sion hoax.

Bobbo in NJ

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On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 1:51:52 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Easter Eggs (you thought you saw but didn't see)
>
>
> Easter eggs on LOST were hidden clues concealed to all the but the really dedicated viewers who microscopically examined individual screen frames of LOST. These little hidden gems aided in revealing the underlying metaphor, allegory and parables.
>
> Screen captures of the easter eggs will not be included in this post, but if you have read this far, trust me, what I am about to tell you is true.
>
> As the LOST survivors in season two make their way across the land of Jacob to retrieve explosive dynamite at the Black Rock freighter ship, they have a gun fight with a small group of Others. Behind Kate and Sawyer for the briefest moment, there appears to be an image that looks a lot like the Black Stone of Mecca. Black Rock-Black Stone. This image was not some weird video artifact, it was indeed added by visual effects department on purpose. I won't say how I know this, but again, trust me.

Interesting. But the Black Rock was named for the Black Mogul from the A.C. Doyle story "The Club-Footed Grocer". Damon et al. put into "Lost" various allusions to tell the viewer-detectives that we were on the right track. "The Club-Footed Grocer" was among co-collected Doyle stories in "Round the Fire Stories", other stories of which relate more directly to the plot of "Lost".

> Third season, Hurley and Sawyer discover the first-seen Dharma Bus in overgrown jungle bush. Inside is a map. The map is a reversed image of a real map of the Temple Mount. Don't trust me? Dig out the DVD's and look for yourself.

Interesing also, but the VW mini-bus of that color was an allusion to that used in "Department S" episode "The Double Death of Charlie Crippen", which also provides clues to the plot.

> This one nearly floored me. Season two, after Locke is pinned under a blast door in the Swan Station and recovering on crutches, he examines the top of the blast door. Hi-res screen caps reveal this is another map, a satellite map, concealed above the blast door area Locke is examining. The satellite map is of the Negev Desert where the Dimona Nuclear reactor is located in the Land Of Jacob.

Also interesting, but the blast door map on "Lost" was a version of the floor plan drawn on the board in "Department S" episode "The Man in the Elegant Room". The makers of "Lost" then conceived on that basis that it would be the plan of a synchrotron, from which Swan station was conceived.

> Season two, Ben Linus jokes about ambushing survivors from a cave, survivors aided by a map he had drawn on the backside of the title page torn from "The Brothers Karamazov". Sayid's finger covering part of vOZAMArak, shows through the translucent paper to reveal "OZAMA". Remember M.A.P. ? Remember September 11, 2001?

A lot of viewers thought that, but the clue is much closer to "OZMA" from the Oz books, from which the name "Henry Gale" was also derived. "Ozma of Oz" tells of the story of people who were shiprecked while traveling between the USA and Australia, and has several other connections to "Lost".

Bobbo in NJ

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On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 10:06:22 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dworken continues his argument saying two of the creators of LOST, JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof, are Jewish. Two out of three show creators and not one Jewish character in 121 episodes, and only one Jewish symbol in the last few minutes of the series finale. What Dworken didn't say or didn't know was Jack Bender, executive director and producer on LOST was Jewish and Jack Bender's wife is a rabbi. I discovered this tidbit when a fan made video appeared on youtube with both Benders having an open discussion of LOST with fans in Tel Aviv. Rabbi Bender worked on the show too, and was the voice of the whispers on the island.

But Hollywood is so Jewish, this doesn't count for much.

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On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 10:40:44 PM UTC-5, doc...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 7:06:07 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > We begin thousands of years ago with the birth of two brothers. In time the twins would grow to dislike each other and even try to kill one another. One brother wanted to destroy the other destined to be the land owner and spiritual leader. The twin brother destined to ownership of the land was named Jacob.
> >
> > Is this an allegory or a literal retelling?
>
> Allegory. The brothers never existed. They represent Benry & Widmore -- who correspond to Howard Finch and Terrell in "Department S" episode "One of Our Aircraft Is Empty". Someone must've "gotten it", because subsequently Michael Emerson was cast as Howard/Harold Finch on "Person of Interest".
>
> The name Jacob was chosen to evoke the Biblic character, giving a clue to "Lost"'s plot as one of usurpation, which was also the plot of "One of Our Aircraft Is Empty".







> > A jump forward in time to the 1950s. Jacob's tribe has a nuclear bomb, acquired from the US military. To conceal it they hide the bomb in the basement of a villa where they live and work.
> >
> > Is this an allegory or a literal retelling?

> Of course it wasn't a real bomb; "Lost" would not have had such an unrealistic plot. The US military would never have surrendered such a weapon to a bunch of nuts as apparently depicted.

You have misplaced your history book and M.A.P.


"The idea that Israel should acquire a nuclear-weapon capability is as old as the state itself. In the early days it took more than a little chuzpa to believe that tiny Israel could launch a nuclear program, but for a state born out of the Holocaust and surrounded by the hostile Arab world, not to do so would have been irresponsible. David Ben Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, entertained the vision early on, but until the mid-1950s it was no more than a hope for the future. In 1955-58, however, following his return to power and the establishment of special relations with France, sufficient resources became available to initiate a national nuclear project."

http://movies2.nytimes.com/books/first/c/cohen-israel.html

https://www.amazon.com/Bomb-Basement-Israel-Nuclear-Means/dp/0743265955


Metaphor.

Allegory.

Parable.

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On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 10:06:22 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dworken continues his argument saying two of the creators of LOST, JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof, are Jewish. Two out of three show creators and not one Jewish character in 121 episodes, and only one Jewish symbol in the last few minutes of the series finale. What Dworken didn't say or didn't know was Jack Bender, executive director and producer on LOST was Jewish and Jack Bender's wife is a rabbi. I discovered this tidbit when a fan made video appeared on youtube with both Benders having an open discussion of LOST with fans in Tel Aviv. Rabbi Bender worked on the show too, and was the voice of the whispers on the island.
>
> So the Hebraic Mystery is where are the Jewish characters on LOST? Dworken was correct, there were no EXPLICIT Jews or Jewish characters.
>
> But the IMPLICIT Jewish characters were all over the LOST island, the Land Of Jacob. Those were known as THE OTHERS.

You made this observ'n a few yrs. ago. Considering all the other stuff packed into "Lost", I certainly wouldn't put it past its makers to have intended this bit of re-telling as well.

I spent a little time trying to read the plate of (ironically, in a way typical of "Lost", partly in imitation of what I told Damon I'd liked of "Smallville") bacon strips on Kate's plate at 7:57 of seaon 1, installment 3 as Hebrew. Maybe you can spend some time on that too and see if you find anything.

Bobbo in NJ

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If that'd been in season 6, I could believe that. By season 6 they'd already bestowed so many clues on us, they were marking time by presenting totally non-literal stories. But not in season 5.

Besides, there's so much roman-a-clef already in considering Jughead as Jehova (or Jew's head), there's no need and little likelihood of its also satirizing events of recent times.

Bobbo in NJ

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> By now you probably have an answer to the LOST question JJ Abrams asked during the 2004 interview with Elvis Mitchell; What is the island?

>
> If you look at the M.A.P. I have laid out it should be apparent and if not, discover for yourself the Biblical name given by G-d to Jacob. (1)
>
> "Israel is a tiny Island in the heart of a giant Arab sea" - David Ben Gurion
>
> Damon Lindelof and the writing team at Bad Robot aren't the only ones who think and write in metaphor, allegory and parables.
>
>
>
> (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

An excellent example of Damon Lindelof's Judaic-history reimagining, as I have outlined was the basis for the LOST mythology and the subtext for 6 seasons of LOST, through Metaphor, Allegory and Parable, can be clearly seen in Lindelof's prose in the book 'Unscrolled', where he rewrites the story of Abraham and Isaac, in the binding of Isaac:



SUBJECT: DESIGNATED A

CASE FILE: 18-1-22-24

FOLLOWING IS TRANSCRIBED FROM RECORDING OF INITIAL
OBSERVATION SESSION.

[BEGIN TRANSCRIPT]

Coffee?

... Sorry?

Coffee. You want some?

No, thank you.

A soda? Some water?

Yes, all right. Water ...

We don’t have any fancy bottled stuff. Tap okay?

That’s fine.

Great. Good. We’ll get that for you. So ... you know why we brought you in?

I think so. Yes.

And you’re sure you don’t want a lawyer? That’s your right.

I’m sure.

Because you could say something that’ll get you into a lot of trouble.
Trouble with who?

Heh ... that’s ... you’re joking, right?

Not really.

Oh. OK. Well ... then I guess ... sure, I’ll answer your question. You’ll get yourself into trouble with the law.

All right.

“All right?” As in you understand?

Yes. I understand.

Good. Because there’s something I don’t understand. And maybe you can help me understand it. Do you think you can do that?

I’ll try.

Good. You try. And let’s start with this—and I apologize if I’m kinda just leaping in here ... My wife says I’m a little ... y’know, blunt? But here we go. I just want to know ... I want you to explain ... exactly why you tried to kill your son.

But I didn’t.

... What?

I didn’t kill my son.

You didn’t ... well, crap. Crap, Abe ... I guess you’re right. That’s why I said you tried to. In fact, it says here ... it says that you were spotted tying him up—

—Binding.

Huh?

I was binding him.

OK. Wow. Sure. You were binding your kid ... and then—and if any of this sounds wrong to you, Abe, you just speak up—but then you were seen putting your son ...

Isaac.

Right. Isaac. You were seen putting Isaac on top of a pile of wood.

He was meant to be a burnt offering.

Excuse me?

My son. I was told to make a burnt offering of him.

You were ... told.

Yes.

By who?

God.

... God.

Yes.

So ... God. He told you to ... light your son on fire?

After I had killed him, yes.

Sure ... because burning him alive ... that would be inhuman.

It’s what I was asked to do.

What for?

... Sorry?

God tells you to kill a child ... your own child ... for what? Why? What do you get in exchange for your “offering”?

Nothing.

Nothing?

He had already given me ... given us ... something.

And what’s that?

My wife—Sarah ... she was way past the point of being able to get pregnant. But He said He would give us a child. And He did.

This would be ... God again?

Yes.

He gave you a son. So you could raise him. And love him. Then kill him.

But I didn’t kill him.

But you were willing to.

Yes.

Why?

Because God asked.

And you just ... ? You didn’t ... question it?

No.

Your wife ... Sarah ... what’d she have to say about this?

I didn’t tell her.

Of course you didn’t. And Isaac ... I’m guessing you didn’t tell him either. You just walked him up that mountain and he had no idea what you were gonna do.

That’s right. Yes.

So what changed your mind?

Nothing did. He stopped me.

... God.

No. An angel.

He didn’t come Himself?

No.

Too busy?

Maybe.

And this angel ... what’d he say?

That I didn’t need to kill Isaac.

Why not?

Because now He knew that I feared Him.

The angel?

No. God. He knew I feared God.

But that’s not what you told me.

... Sorry?

You told me you were willing to kill your son just because He asked. Not because you were afraid of Him.

... Oh.

Are you afraid of Him?

Oh.

Oh ... what?

You’re the angel.
What?

On the mountain. I only heard your voice. But now ... yes, I recognize it. You. You’re the angel. Calling to me a second time.

I’m an ... ? C’mon. You’re insane, Abe. You’ve lost your goddamned mind.

I’m not. And I haven’t.

And yet you think ... I’m an angel.

I you are.

OK. Fine then. You got me. I’m an angel. And why is it ... I’m “calling to you”? A second time?

Because you want to make sure.

Of what?

That I fear God. That’s why you asked me.

Ah ... so He’s testing you. Again. Because ... what? Getting you to stab your kid to death wasn’t proof enough?

But I didn’t stab my—

—Yeah, yeah. I got it, Abe.

He spoke to me, you know. Outside Sodom. Did He tell you that?

Why don’t you tell me.

He was ready to destroy the whole city ... and I asked Him if He would spare them. If there were just 50 innocent people inside, wouldn’t it be worth letting the rest live? And He said He would. Then I said, What about 45? And He said yes, He’d spare the city then, too. We negotiated for a while. I was able to get Him down to 10—if there were just 10 innocent people, He agreed not to destroy it.

This is ... wow ... this is a great story.

But He did destroy it. He rained fire down on Sodom. Gomorrah, too. Burned them all. And when I learned of this, I thought to myself ... Maybe I should have pushed further ... Maybe I should have asked God to spare the cities if just one innocent person could be found. Do you know why I didn’t?

Tell me.

Because I knew. I knew He was going to destroy those cities no matter what I said.

And why’s that?

Because it was His will.

SUBJECT BEGINS TO AUDIBLY CRY NOW ... THIS LASTS FOR ALMOST SIX MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY A PERIOD OF SILENCE. AFTER WHICH:

Coffee?

... Sorry?

Coffee. You want some?

No, thank you.

A soda? Some water?

Yes, all right. Water ...

We don’t have any fancy bottled stuff. Tap okay?

That’s fine.

Great. Good. We’ll get that for you. So ... you know why we brought you in?

I think so. Yes.

[END TRANSCRIPT]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FROM THIS POINT ON THE SEQUENCE BEGINS AGAIN.

SUBJECT WAS OBSERVED FOR A PERIOD OF 90 MINUTES UNDER WHICH THE ABOVE SEQUENCE WAS REPEATED 19 TIMES.

THE SEQUENCE WAS REPEATED VERBATIM.

SUBSEQUENT OBSERVATIONS DETERMINED SUBJECT SPEAKS ONLY THE WORDS TRANSCRIBED ABOVE AS IF ON A PERPETUAL LOOP.

THOUGH THE TRANSCRIPT SUGGESTS THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE PRESENT, THE SUBJECT WAS ALONE IN HIS CELL FOR THE DURATION OF THE RECORDING.

SLIGHT FLUCTUATIONS IN TONE AND ACCENT WOULD SUGGEST THE CREATION OF THE SECOND CHARACTER, PERHAPS AS A PROXY BY WHICH TO CONFESS AND/OR PROCESS SUBJECT’S ACTIONS.

PRELIMINARY DIAGNOSIS

CYCLOID PSYCHOSIS

RECOMMENDED TREATMENT

10–15 mg. OLANZAPINE, twice daily. Limit interaction with family (particularly the victim), continue observation.


Damon Lindelof is a television writer, producer, and screenwriter.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/faithbased/2013/10/abraham_and_the_binding_of_isaac_the_police_interview_the_patriarch.html

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Several mysteries or plot points in LOST were never explained and caused frustration among fans when LOST ended. Among those mysteries were:

1) Why were children abducted by the Others from the Oceanic 815 survivors camp?

2) What was the purpose of the ash sprinkled abound Jacob's cabin and the Temple?

3) Why were the Others dressed in old clothing and encamped by the ocean-side in dwellings called the Decoy camp or Yurtville?

4) Why did Oceanic Flight attendant Cindy disappear from the survivors and reappear with the Others?

In the next few posts I will explain the significance of these mysteries and show how they are a part of Lindelof's reimaginings in the Land Of Jacob, very similar to his reimagining of the Binding of Isaac story.

In addition, a few more plot points will be explored that were explained, but weighed heavily into the Metaphors, Allegories and Parables --the subtext of LOST and the Land of Jacob-- including the French scientific team and the Hurley numbers.

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On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 10:01:00 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:> Several mysteries or plot points in LOST were never explained and caused frustration among fans when LOST ended. Among those mysteries were:
>
> 1) Why were children abducted by the Others from the Oceanic 815 survivors camp?

We saw only 1 child abducted. The group of children we were shown later were shills.

Benry was having "survivors" taken for individual questioning and examination. They happened to take the boy first. I think they were afraid he'd wind up dead at sea with Sawyer, Jin, and MiKevin.

Benry wanted to know which of "these people" were knowing identity thieves, and which had been brainwashed into thinking they actually were the people they claimed to be. The boy definitely knew the group of abducted "survivors" were not for real, one way or another: "These people...they're not who they say they are!" The trick was recognizing whom he was addressing, and whom he was referring to. Very clever staging by "Lost" to have that said right out in the open, and yet obscure its meaning well enough to make the mystery hard.

> 2) What was the purpose of the ash sprinkled abound Jacob's cabin and the Temple?

Just hocus-pocus. Just so one character could convince another something spooky was at play.

> 3) Why were the Others dressed in old clothing and encamped by the ocean-side in dwellings called the Decoy camp or Yurtville?

More misdirection.

> 4) Why did Oceanic Flight attendant Cindy disappear from the survivors and reappear with the Others?

Same reason as Walt (the boy), except they didn't need to stage a kidnapping.

Bobbo in NJ