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rob...@bestweb.net

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Jan 19, 2006, 4:45:28 PM1/19/06
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One of the interesting puzzles is figuring out when the con started or
recruitment occurred for the various Losties. I've made my mind up for
Hugo, for instance. He was probably the fruit of research into
prominent lottery winners; he was just lucky (somebody had to be) in
winning the lottery, it wasn't fixed.

Based on "The Hunting Party" (1/18/06) I'm entertaining a similar idea
about Jack. Maybe he was just lucky in "fixing" Sarah, and became
somewhat known because of that. The research into them leads to Boone
& Shannon; the car crash would be on record. Then how do they find
Desmond? Or does Desmond find Sarah first?

Robert

JT

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Jan 19, 2006, 4:58:49 PM1/19/06
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It's not even that your answers are so ridiculous, is that you're not even
asking appropriate questions.

When? How? Where? Wrong questions.

What about coming up with a rational explanation for WHY??!?!? You have yet
to figure out why such a ridiculous con would be perpetrated in the first
place. Or why such a con would be necessary instead of a much more rational
and straightforward route.

Remember, your original inspiration for the crackpot theory was Watchmen.
The folks recruited to make the fake alien were told they were going to a
remote location to film a movie, not kidnapped in a ridiculous mass
conspiracy. The people duped into doubting Veidt were actively
investigating a series of crimes closely connected to him. In other words,
NOTHING on Lost suggests a reason for a conspiracy approaching the scope of
your theory.

majcm

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Jan 19, 2006, 5:08:00 PM1/19/06
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<rob...@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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Haven't read all these so sorry if someone said it (they probably have---I
don't know why I didn't think of it sooner) but your mentioning Desmond &
Sarah, with what seemed to be her picture in the bunker, it must have been
Desmond she was sleeping with when she left Jack. I never thought about who
it could be she was seeing until Robert mentioned them together. I love when
some small pieces fit together!

Robert

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Jan 19, 2006, 5:19:33 PM1/19/06
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It wasn't Sarah's picture in the bunker.

Jack Locke

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Jan 19, 2006, 6:08:03 PM1/19/06
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"majcm" <MeMe....@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Except, as I've pointed out several times, Desmond was already on the island
by the time Sarah started cheating on Jack.

Unless you believe in Robgood's conspiracy, Desmond is out as a suspect.

Plus it wasn't Sarah in Desmond's picture. If it were, you can bet Jack
would have had a different reaction, both when he saw the picture and later
when he confronted Desmond.


rob...@bestweb.net

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Jan 19, 2006, 11:57:44 PM1/19/06
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JT wrote:

> When? How? Where? Wrong questions.

> What about coming up with a rational explanation for WHY??!?!? You have yet
> to figure out why such a ridiculous con would be perpetrated in the first
> place. Or why such a con would be necessary instead of a much more rational
> and straightforward route.

Solving a case, you don't usually figure out motive first. Usually
that comes only well into the game.

> Remember, your original inspiration for the crackpot theory was Watchmen.
> The folks recruited to make the fake alien were told they were going to a
> remote location to film a movie, not kidnapped in a ridiculous mass
> conspiracy. The people duped into doubting Veidt were actively
> investigating a series of crimes closely connected to him. In other words,
> NOTHING on Lost suggests a reason for a conspiracy approaching the scope of
> your theory.

True. It would be too corny to have it DIRECTLY mirror that plot. And
if you've been following, I've said I don't think the marks in "Lost"
correspond to the creative ones who were openly recruited to come to an
obscure tropical isle in "Watchmen", produced a product secretly under
false pretenses, and then (like the other potential witnesses) got
killed. Those characters in "Watchmen" were all at the tops of their
respective fields, experts, while many of the characters in "Lost" are
no more than journeymen at what would normally be considered creative
tasks. Rather, I believe the marks in "Lost" are somehow themselves
going to be the product. I don't know exactly how, I don't know
exactly why, but isn't it very obvious that they have been, and
continue to be, set up for SOMEthing?

Robert

rob...@bestweb.net

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Jan 20, 2006, 12:03:03 AM1/20/06
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Jack Locke wrote:

> Except, as I've pointed out several times, Desmond was already on the island
> by the time Sarah started cheating on Jack.

Yes, if you believe Desmond's story, which I don't.

> Unless you believe in Robgood's conspiracy, Desmond is out as a suspect.

> Plus it wasn't Sarah in Desmond's picture. If it were, you can bet Jack
> would have had a different reaction, both when he saw the picture and later
> when he confronted Desmond.

Agreed! But Desmond is one of the first various commenters (including
me) thought of when trying to figure out who Sarah took up with. If it
was Desmond, presumably Jack wouldn't've known about his part in the
affair, but whoever researched Jack would then via Sarah have a cx to
Desmond.

Robert

tdciago

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Jan 20, 2006, 12:07:36 AM1/20/06
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Jack Locke wrote:
> Except, as I've pointed out several times, Desmond was already on the island
> by the time Sarah started cheating on Jack.

I'm having a brain cramp regarding some of the backstory timelines. Do
you base this solely on the fact that Desmond claimed to have gotten to
the island three years ago? How have you dated the Jack/Sarah meeting
and Shannon's father's death?

(Not that I'm doubting you; I'm just trying to clarify how each time
frame was established.)

Jack Locke

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Jan 20, 2006, 1:34:39 AM1/20/06
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"tdciago" <tdc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jack Locke wrote:
>> Except, as I've pointed out several times, Desmond was already on the
>> island
>> by the time Sarah started cheating on Jack.
>
> I'm having a brain cramp regarding some of the backstory timelines. Do
> you base this solely on the fact that Desmond claimed to have gotten to
> the island three years ago? How have you dated the Jack/Sarah meeting
> and Shannon's father's death?

That's the event it hinges on, but it's also corroborated by the fact that
Jack didn't contradict him. Jack knows Desmond was training for that race
when they met, and the race wouldn't exactly have taken very long (plus
there's the fact that Desmond never actually finished.)

> (Not that I'm doubting you; I'm just trying to clarify how each time
> frame was established.)

You shouldn't doubt me, I've been anointed as Sir Jack of the Jib by none
other than Damon Lindelof himself.

(Or at least the figment of robgood's imagination that he believes is Damon
Lindelof. I'm too taken with myself to care about the details.)


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