Opinion: Never On Sunday
Rachel Merriman
Never On Sunday.
*I was totally disappointed and angry* with the show writers last night as
I watched the episode. This was for a number of reasons:
- Voodoo etc is totally evil and I class L&C as a family show: my younger
brother (10 y.o.) won't be seeing it when he comes home from camp. Why do
scriptwriters need to slip in something so horrible? The plot itself was
poor, and some of the stuff had been covered before on the show e.g. the
magic show, Lois being pushed out of a plane (major deja vu) and Lois and
Clark at the end (outside, on Lois' deck) (only the episode before -
HIWTHI, they had ended the show there).
- I am also really missing the 'last lines' of the show that I used to
really wait for - the 'punch-line' if you like - it would really make you
laugh. Why are these now totally replaced by kissing/hugging scenes at the
end of every episode. I am _totally_ a romantic, BUT can't they keep the
humour also?
- I sincerely hope that the show doesn't turn to such evil subjects again.
I don't want to watch a show that promotes such values, but I love the
show. Scriptwriters: don't let me face that dilemma again!
I am really interested in your opinions on this episode.
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Brad Ferguson
rme...@cs.auckland.ac.nz wrote:
> Hi guys: I would really like to know what you all thought of the episode
> Never On Sunday.
> *I was totally disappointed and angry* with the show writers last night as
> I watched the episode. This was for a number of reasons:
> - Voodoo etc is totally evil and I class L&C as a family show: my younger
> brother (10 y.o.) won't be seeing it when he comes home from camp. Why do
> scriptwriters need to slip in something so horrible? ...
> - I sincerely hope that the show doesn't turn to such evil subjects again.
> I don't want to watch a show that promotes such values, but I love the
> show. Scriptwriters: don't let me face that dilemma again!
>
> I am really interested in your opinions on this episode.
>
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> *It's nice to dream of Supermen who can sweep you off your feet every so
often*
> Quote - Me, Today, Now
My opinion is that you are at one with the person who didn't like seeing
Tarot cards being used by Star because they were "evil." How silly.
The show hardly "promoted" voodoo. Baron Sunday was the villain of the
piece, and I don't see your problem with having an evil character do evil
things.
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Colonel X
>Hi guys: I would really like to know what you all thought of the episode
>Never On Sunday.
I thought it was utterly excellent. The only disappointments came in
the directing (to wit, the airplane landing in the same spot it was
before takeoff).
>*I was totally disappointed and angry* with the show writers last night as
>I watched the episode. This was for a number of reasons:
Blame only one writer if you must blame anyone. Grant Rosenberg was
responsible for the hour with no other writers credited.
>- Voodoo etc is totally evil and I class L&C as a family show: my younger
>brother (10 y.o.) won't be seeing it when he comes home from camp. Why do
>scriptwriters need to slip in something so horrible? s
Well, you know, the Dark Side of the Force is totally evil and I don't
hear anyone complaining about Darth Vader when you see "Star Wars" on
TV. Voodoo can only be classified as totally evil if you are looking
at it from a very strict Christian viewpoint. As a religion, it espouses
beliefs and philosophies that many of us (myself included) consider
either disagreeable, morally wrong or derived from Satanism. Whether
you find this right or wrong depends entirely on your own world view,
and to dismiss as "evil" a culture that many thousands have embraced
for a very, very long time seems quite wrong to me.
Admittedly, "NOS" only concerned itself with the common Western notions
of what voodoo is all about: black magic, spells, dolls, zombies et al
and can hardly be considered an investigation of the religion. And I
do concur that some of the imagery might have been horrific for
younger viewers (I'd say younger than ten though), particularly when
Sunday's associate has decayed several years, but that's always been
the nature of fantasy television. Even those quite obvious hunks of
plywood, plastic and toilet plungers, the Daleks, have sent many a
young viewer behind the sofa. (It was "Land of the Lost"s Sleestak for
me...brrrr!)
The plot itself was
>poor, and some of the stuff had been covered before on the show e.g. the
>magic show, Lois being pushed out of a plane (major deja vu) and Lois and
>Clark at the end (outside, on Lois' deck) (only the episode before -
>HIWTHI, they had ended the show there).
Are you referring to the "plot" as in storyline or narrative flow?
You may have disliked the former intensely, as is your right, but
surely not the flow. "NOS" moved swiftly between its acts, only
sagging while dealing with the wedding planner. It's a very good
example of how effective the show can be if it tries. Compare "NOS"
with "Ordinary People" with as much a critical eye as you can muster.
Notice how, unless you're completely awestruck by the WAFFs, "OP"
comes to a dead halt in the plot department in act three. "NOS" keeps
the momentum moving at a textbook pace and is one of the better "L&C"
episodes period on that note alone.
As for regurgitating plot devices, well, "L&C" is a frequent victim of
that. I surmise you're coming up to the Romance Gone Bad arc, in which
two very much "done" ideas resurface (watch "All Shook Up" and "The
Phoenix" again, then Romance Gone Bad), and part four is a virtual
rewrite of elements already done in "Target: Jimmy Olsen!" I can't
imagine why anyone would dislike the closing back porch sequences,
which are very romantic.
>- I am also really missing the 'last lines' of the show that I used to
>really wait for - the 'punch-line' if you like - it would really make you
>laugh. Why are these now totally replaced by kissing/hugging scenes at the
>end of every episode. I am _totally_ a romantic, BUT can't they keep the
>humour also?
The problem with these punch line endings is that US TV has done them
to death. The only "punch" "L&C" conclusion worth a flip was Clark's
comments about being an invisible man. The WAFFy conclusions seem to
satisfy hordes of viewers, much in the way the conclusions of "Beauty
and the Beast" did several years back.
>- I sincerely hope that the show doesn't turn to such evil subjects again.
>I don't want to watch a show that promotes such values, but I love the
>show. Scriptwriters: don't let me face that dilemma again!
Promote? Again, Baron Sunday was the *bad guy*. And he lost.
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Shane Glaseman
>Voodoo etc is totally evil
and etc.
Really? And upon what do you base this opinion? Voodoo is a belief
system, a religion, based primarily on African polytheisms. It is not
inherently evil, nor are its practitioners "devil worshippers," or
anything of that nature. This is akin to saying that practitioners of
the Craft (witches, to laymen) are also "evil" -- they aren't.
I'm certain that voodoo is not your religion (obviously), but it's a
display of extreme ignorance for one to assert that a religion that is
not one's own is somehow therefore "evil." There is not one religion
currently extant (or even one that is now dead) that does not have
somewhere in its history a record of extreme violence and attendant
"evil" -- look up an accurate history of the Crusades.
Karen Fung
[all the bad things that above thought about Never on Sunday]
Here we go again. All that NoS bashing. Sure, I don't think it was the
best episode in the history of L&C, but it was okay. I think the wedding
planning part was a bit funny, but what would I know? I'm a decade away
from getting married. Anywho( :-Dto those of you that actually watch SNL),
you have my opinion.
Karen Fung, Talking Extraordinaire
gf...@unix.dsoe.com
Canada
Why LC:TNAoS?--"Because it's good TV! It's fun for the
whole family!"
blankh
>
> In article <rmer002-2304...@demo2.cs.auckland.ac.nz> rme...@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Rachel Merriman) writes:
> >Hi guys: I would really like to know what you all thought of the episode
> >Never On Sunday.
> >*I was totally disappointed and angry* with the show writers last night as
> >I watched the episode. This was for a number of reasons:
> >- Voodoo etc is totally evil and I class L&C as a family show: my younger
> >brother (10 y.o.) won't be seeing it when he comes home from camp. Why do
> >scriptwriters need to slip in something so horrible? s
> Well, you know, the Dark Side of the Force is totally evil and I don't
> hear anyone complaining about Darth Vader when you see "Star Wars" on
> TV. Voodoo can only be classified as totally evil if you are looking
> at it from a very strict Christian viewpoint. As a religion, it espouses
> beliefs and philosophies that many of us (myself included) consider
> either disagreeable, morally wrong or derived from Satanism. Whether
> you find this right or wrong depends entirely on your own world view,
> and to dismiss as "evil" a culture that many thousands have embraced
> for a very, very long time seems quite wrong to me.
Okay, I am a strong Christian, and so is my mom, and she had no trouble
with me watching it, because it had a happy outcome. The power of love,
which is what Christianity is based around (1 Corinthians 13), defeated
the evil, just like in real life our love for God will defeat the dev-
il, and he'll be sent for eternity in hell.
The story was a Sunday School lesson, if you look at it from the right
angle.
Sincerely,
Gina Blank =)
Jason Whitwam
Um...I hate to break into this intellectual conversation, but I believe
that 'voodoo' is another form of Christianity.
Troy
Troy
> Jason Whitwam <jwhi...@u.washington.edu> DID:
>
> > Um...I hate to break into this intellectual conversation, but I believe
> > that 'voodoo' is another form of Christianity.
>
Shane Glaseman
Jason Whitwam <jwhi...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>Um...I hate to break into this intellectual conversation, but I believe
>that 'voodoo' is another form of Christianity.
I don't think so, Jason. My sources (which could be wrong, but I don't
think so) all say that voodoo has its origins in various African
belief systems, altered and adapted over the years by natives
of the various Carribean islands (chiefly Haiti).
blankh
> Jason Whitwam <jwhi...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> >Um...I hate to break into this intellectual conversation, but I believe
> >that 'voodoo' is another form of Christianity.
Voodoo is NOT a form of Christianity. I am a strong Christian, and we
have been taught numerous times in Youth Group that Voodoo is BAD. It
IS an African creation, but it is on the same line as the occult.
The only reason they probably showed something like that in L&C, was
because the love between L&C is what overpowered Baron Sunday, and
defeated him. Since love is what Christianity is based around (love
for Jesus, God, others, etc.), it's basically God defeating Satan,
good defeating bad, etc.
Beth Guth
> > Jason Whitwam <jwhi...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >Um...I hate to break into this intellectual conversation, but I believe
> > >that 'voodoo' is another form of Christianity.
Yes, it is a derivative of it. Roman Catholicsm is the christian flavor I believe.
>
> Voodoo is NOT a form of Christianity. I am a strong Christian...[snip]
Now let's not confuse strong with educated.
> have been taught numerous times in Youth Group that Voodoo is BAD. It
> IS an African creation, but it is on the same line as the occult.
and not all youth group leaders are theologians or historians
>
> Gina Blank =)
> Bla...@cadvision.com
Alleigh
blankh <bla...@cadvision.com> wrote:
>> Jason Whitwam <jwhi...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >Um...I hate to break into this intellectual conversation, but I believe
>> >that 'voodoo' is another form of Christianity.
>Voodoo is NOT a form of Christianity. I am a strong Christian, and we
>have been taught numerous times in Youth Group that Voodoo is BAD. It
>IS an African creation, but it is on the same line as the occult.
>The only reason they probably showed something like that in L&C, was
>because the love between L&C is what overpowered Baron Sunday, and
>defeated him. Since love is what Christianity is based around (love
>for Jesus, God, others, etc.), it's basically God defeating Satan,
>good defeating bad, etc.
>Sincerely,
>Gina Blank =)
So your saying that since your Christian that the writers were
referring to your beliefs, bot that of othre religions. A little
one-sided there. Besides this is just a television show.
Alleigh
"Cold-hearted orb, that rules the night, removes the colors
from our sight, red is grey, yellow white, but we decide which is
right...and which is an illusion."
Nights in White Satin - the Moody Blues
Shane Glaseman
blankh <bla...@cadvision.com> wrote:
>> Jason Whitwam <jwhi...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >Um...I hate to break into this intellectual conversation, but I believe
>> >that 'voodoo' is another form of Christianity.
>
>Voodoo is NOT a form of Christianity. I am a strong Christian, and we
>have been taught numerous times in Youth Group that Voodoo is BAD. It
>IS an African creation, but it is on the same line as the occult.
>
Um. But as a Christian, you find *any* religious form not Christian to
be occult, do you not?
Carol Haasdyk
You're mixing up cults and the occult. Almost anything (or anything,
I'm not too well versed in this) other that Christianity is considered
a cult. Things to do with the devil (Satan Worship, etc.) is considered
the occult.
Carol
Marc Koenig
Carol Haasdyk wrote:
>
> In article <4m664v$p...@news2.aero.org>, Shane Glaseman <glas...@courier6.aero.org> says:
> >
> >blankh <bla...@cadvision.com> wrote:
> >>> Jason Whitwam <jwhi...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Um...I hate to break into this intellectual conversation, but I believe
> >>> >that 'voodoo' is another form of Christianity.
> >>
just wanted to say, voodoo is Not a form of Christianity. It was
developed in Africa, I believe, and Christ's body (should) have nothing
to do with it. I'm a stong Christian, and that is definitely NOT a form
of my belief.
-Bethany +
Brad Ferguson
> just wanted to say, voodoo is Not a form of Christianity. It was
> developed in Africa, I believe, and Christ's body (should) have nothing
> to do with it. I'm a stong Christian, and that is definitely NOT a form
> of my belief.
It's self-evident that voodoo did not arise from Christianity, but it has
drawn heavily from Christianity in the past several centuries. It's also
self-evident that the Catholic Church in Haiti, e.g., has drawn some
inspiration from the older voodoo religion. For example, the Virgin Mary
is commonly worshipped as a virtual mamaloi, she is prayed to with prayers
common to both Haitian Catholicism and voodoo, and she and the mamaloi are
represented in religious art in many of the same ways, and sometimes
together.
Paul Sleigh
By Jove, Watson! There is clear evidence that Carol Haasdyk said:
* >Um. But as a Christian, you find *any* religious form not Christian to
* >be occult, do you not?
* You're mixing up cults and the occult. Almost anything (or anything,
* I'm not too well versed in this) other that Christianity is considered
* a cult. Things to do with the devil (Satan Worship, etc.) is considered
* the occult.
*
* Carol
Strictly speaking, the occult is not exclusively devil worship. Practicers
of witchcraft, for instance, do not worship Satan, but rather other gods
unrelated to the Christian devil -- tho one of these is a male god with
horns, which probably explains the confusion! Yet witchcraft is considered
occult. Occult literally means "in shadow" or "shrouded", and is not
limited by any stretch of the imagination to satanism.
And I have to agree with an earlier writer: satanism and voodoo ARE both
branches of christianity (in the same way that christianity and islam are
effectively branches of judaism) because they use christian concepts and
ideas -- what other religions would call the christian "gods", like Satan or
the virgin Mary, although christians don't like that term very much.
Careful you don't mix righteousness with right: the truth is in everything,
not just in the bible. All of which begs the question - what's this doing
in alt.tv.lois-n-clark?
: Eric :
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