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Michael J. Bayles

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Mar 15, 2004, 3:42:55 PM3/15/04
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Although cleared of all charges for the shooting of the teenager who tried
to mug her, could this incident be one of those blotches on the record that
given two candidates for promotion, all else being equal- the promotion
would go to the other guy? Was this mentioned in the episodes where the law
suit was discussed? (i haven't seen it) And did she end up winning or
losing, or is it still pending?
best,
-mike

al

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Mar 15, 2004, 5:03:02 PM3/15/04
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Wasn't Van Buren previously in a lawsuit against the Police Department where
she charged Gender and Racial Discrimination? It seems like she already has
a couple of strikes on her record.


Michael J. Bayles

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Mar 15, 2004, 5:08:31 PM3/15/04
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right this is what im referring to. but my question is, isn't it possible
that the incident where she shot the teen was a blotch on her record that,
all else being equal, would result in her being passed for promotion by
another equally qualified candidate? meaning race and gender would have had
nothing to do with it.
-mike
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David Johnston

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Mar 15, 2004, 5:17:24 PM3/15/04
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:03:02 GMT, "al" <eightfo...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Wasn't Van Buren previously in a lawsuit against the Police Department where
>she charged Gender and Racial Discrimination?

No, that was the same lawsuit.

ApocalypticNightmaresOfDarkness

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Mar 15, 2004, 11:47:05 PM3/15/04
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As we found out in "Monster" the higher-ups of the police department
do not affirm Van Buren's talents and consider her position a result
of other people opening doors for her (implying that she owes part of
her position to Affirmative Action). Either way, that ep made clear
that they don't value her experience or talents enough to promote her,
stopping short of actually admitting that it's because she's black.

If it was because of the boy she killed in "Competence" why didn't
they just admit that? Could it be because she shot those two boys in
self-defense and the department just looked at her as being
investigated by Internal Affairs and saying that's enough for them to
treat her as a pariah? IAB investigations tend to squash a cop's
reputation; whether or not they're actually innocent, they don't care.

And what skeletons does Cragen have in his closet?

Walt

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Mar 16, 2004, 2:38:07 AM3/16/04
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ApocalypticNightmaresOfDarkness said:

That's possible, but I would have it where it's because of Logan punching Kevin
Crossley in "Pride" (season five finale that was Chris Noth's last regular
episode). In my case, I would have it where in that case, Crossley blackmailed
a couple of jurors and threatened higher-ups with making sure they lost their
jobs because of dirt they had on them unless Anita were kept to being a Lt. and
Logan were kept to Staten Island at all costs.

In my case, I would have it where after the jurors who were blackmailed come
forward to note that were dealing with threats of pictures of their adult
daughters being posted over the then-new World Wide Web in 1995 that would have
cost the children their jobs even though the pictures themselves were doctored,
Crossley is re-tried for the murder of RIchard Durbin as well as tampering and
gets the death penalty on the re-trial, with that penalty allowed because the
death of Durbin happened after the Death Penalty came into law originally.
After that, I have Logan and Anita both winning lawsuits against the NYPD and
Crossley for tampering, and in Logan's case also proving the Crossley provoked
Logan into punching him in '95. I have it where several higher-ups also sue
Crossley over being forced to "keep Anita down" over the years as well with
threats of losing their jobs, as well as Crossley blackmailing judges to get
his way.

Walt

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Chris ®

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Mar 15, 2004, 10:18:10 PM3/15/04
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>Although cleared of all charges for the
>shooting of the teenager who tried to mug
>her, could this incident be one of those
>blotches on the record that given two
>candidates for promotion,

I always thought her lawsuit was based on how she was treated by higher
ups in this episode, especially by her very bigoted superior (which
Logan chastized by asking him what bugged him most, the fact she was
black or the fact that she wears a skirt). He also uttered some very
sexist remarks about female officers getting to study for the sargents
exam while doing desk duty while real (male) cops do all the work.

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Mar 16, 2004, 7:40:06 AM3/16/04
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reigno...@hotmail.com (ApocalypticNightmaresOfDarkness) wrote in
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> And what skeletons does Cragen have in his closet?

He's a recovering alcoholic.

William December Starr

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Mar 16, 2004, 8:37:21 AM3/16/04
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In article <Xns94AE4E086BFECm...@207.69.154.205>,
wps <my_por...@yahoo.com> said:

>> And what skeletons does Cragen have in his closet?
>
> He's a recovering alcoholic.

He also "betrayed" his rabbi (that is, the guy who mentored him
and took him under his wing and helped his career along) way back
in "The Blue Wall," the final episode of "Law & Order's" first
season. Some folks in the department brass are probably going to
hold that against him forever.

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William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>

joe positive

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Mar 16, 2004, 11:27:49 AM3/16/04
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On 16 Mar 2004 07:38:07 GMT, waltra...@aol.comnospam (Walt) wrote:


>That's possible, but

[bizarre tangent went here]

Walt, stick to the Derby List.

D.F. Manno

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Mar 16, 2004, 6:26:05 PM3/16/04
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In article <26062-405...@storefull-3292.bay.webtv.net>,
headban...@webtv.net (Chris (R)) wrote:

> especially by her very bigoted superior (which
> Logan chastized by asking him what bugged him most, the fact she was
> black or the fact that she wears a skirt).

This isn't parsing for me. Wasn't it _Van Buren_ who chastised Logan by
asking him that question?
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Chris ®

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Mar 18, 2004, 7:40:10 AM3/18/04
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>This isn't parsing for me. Wasn't it _Van
>Buren_ who chastised Logan by asking
>him that question?

I don't remember that one. I can only recall Logan saying it to Van
Buren's supervisor.

Mr. Obvious

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Mar 22, 2004, 1:36:21 AM3/22/04
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Sounds like you miss Logan.

JD Leewong

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Mar 24, 2004, 1:24:52 PM3/24/04
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>
>> especially by her very bigoted superior (which
>> Logan chastized by asking him what bugged him most, the fact she was
>> black or the fact that she wears a skirt).
>
>This isn't parsing for me. Wasn't it _Van Buren_ who chastised Logan by
>asking him that question?
>--
That is the way I remember it - Van Buren asking Logan.
Laurie
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