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David / Amicus

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Nov 6, 2009, 9:11:55 PM11/6/09
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This was just before the US Supreme Court.

A major problem with our legal system I think is that like in this case
the most important thing is being ignored the crime itself - a child was
molested!!!


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David Johnston

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Nov 6, 2009, 10:35:15 PM11/6/09
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:11:55 -0800, Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus)
wrote:

>This was just before the US Supreme Court.
>
>A major problem with our legal system I think is that like in this case
>the most important thing is being ignored the crime itself - a child was
>molested!!!
>

I see. So you believe that in any case where it is alleged that a
child was abused, we should abandon any concern for civil rights and
just beat confessions out of the accused before executing them.

D.F. Manno

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Nov 6, 2009, 10:43:14 PM11/6/09
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In article <vgq9f5h5034f27gdv...@4ax.com>,
David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:

Obviously you haven't been paying attention. He thinks the cops should
just beat confessions out of anybody accused of anything before
executing them.

--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
"Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by
faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits."
(Dan Barker, former preacher, musician, b. 1949)

theget

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:56:11 PM11/6/09
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On Nov 6, 10:43 pm, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> In article <vgq9f5h5034f27gdvornh4t59hsv2ct...@4ax.com>,

>  David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>
> > Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus) wrote:
>
> > > This was just before the US Supreme Court.  
>
> > > A major problem with our legal system I think is that like in this case
> > > the most important thing is being ignored the crime itself - a child was
> > > molested!!!
>
> > I see.  So you believe that in any case where it is alleged that a
> > child was abused, we should abandon any concern for civil rights and
> > just beat confessions out of the accused before executing them.  
>
> Obviously you haven't been paying attention. He thinks the cops should
> just beat confessions out of anybody accused of anything before
> executing them.


Doesn't getting the confession just waste everyone's time? You can't
believe anything a criminal says anyway. They're probably guilty, if
not of the crime they're being beaten to death for, then some other
crime, so beat 'em to death anyway.

Theget

D.F. Manno

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Nov 8, 2009, 12:49:18 AM11/8/09
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In article
<c959995e-2bc9-4da4...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:

> D.F. Manno <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:


> > �David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> > > Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus) wrote:
> >
> > > > This was just before the US Supreme Court. �
> >
> > > > A major problem with our legal system I think is that like in this case
> > > > the most important thing is being ignored the crime itself - a child was
> > > > molested!!!
> >
> > > I see. �So you believe that in any case where it is alleged that a
> > > child was abused, we should abandon any concern for civil rights and
> > > just beat confessions out of the accused before executing them. �
> >
> > Obviously you haven't been paying attention. He thinks the cops should
> > just beat confessions out of anybody accused of anything before
> > executing them.
>
> Doesn't getting the confession just waste everyone's time? You can't
> believe anything a criminal says anyway. They're probably guilty, if
> not of the crime they're being beaten to death for, then some other
> crime, so beat 'em to death anyway.

You can't let the cops have all the fun; you have to give the
executioners something to do.

--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
"I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People
in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise,
no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author)

theget

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Nov 8, 2009, 1:33:06 AM11/8/09
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On Nov 8, 12:49 am, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <c959995e-2bc9-4da4-a452-ed208cb36...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,

>
>
>
>  theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
> > D.F. Manno <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> > >  David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> > > > Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus) wrote:
>
> > > > > This was just before the US Supreme Court.  
>
> > > > > A major problem with our legal system I think is that like in this case
> > > > > the most important thing is being ignored the crime itself - a child was
> > > > > molested!!!
>
> > > > I see.  So you believe that in any case where it is alleged that a
> > > > child was abused, we should abandon any concern for civil rights and
> > > > just beat confessions out of the accused before executing them.  
>
> > > Obviously you haven't been paying attention. He thinks the cops should
> > > just beat confessions out of anybody accused of anything before
> > > executing them.
>
> > Doesn't getting the confession just waste everyone's time? You can't
> > believe anything a criminal says anyway. They're probably guilty, if
> > not of the crime they're being beaten to death for, then some other
> > crime, so beat 'em to death anyway.
>
> You can't let the cops have all the fun; you have to give the
> executioners something to do.


LOL. Thanks. I needed that.

Theget

David Johnston

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Nov 9, 2009, 7:38:10 PM11/9/09
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Mockery aside, appeals are not trials. The subject of what the
accused may have done and how bad it was was dealt with at the trial,
and will be dealt with again should his appeal lead lead to a new
trial. Appeals are there to evaluate whether the lawyers and judges
did something wrong, not the accused. Which of course is why actual
exculpatory evidence will not necessarily be even considered at an
appeal unless it for example something deliberately withheld from the
defense.
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