Adult Incest
David / Amicus
that adult incest was only an E felony!
Ray O'Hara
"David / Amicus" <Ami...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>I was watching an SVU rerun tonight. It was said that in New York state
> that adult incest was only an E felony!
>
while a crime against nature it really shouldn't be a civil crime at all.
theget
> "David / Amicus" <Ami...@webtv.net> wrote in messagenews:19505-4B1...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net...
>
> >I was watching an SVU rerun tonight. It was said that in New York state
> > that adult incest was only an E felony!
>
> while a crime against nature it really shouldn't be a civil crime at all.
What does "a crime against nature" mean? Does "nature" have courts
where you can be tried?
What if the incestuous couple reproduces and their child has severe
birth defects? Should they be punished for that? If they should,
should every couple, incestuous or not, be required to under go
eugenics counseling?
On a related subject, because not every incestuous couple will have
offspring, or some like Mackenzie Phillips will get abortions, should
we punish people for DUI, or should we only punish people for the
accidents and damages they cause?
Theget
David Johnston
wrote:
>I was watching an SVU rerun tonight. It was said that in New York state
>that adult incest was only an E felony!
Why would it be more than that?
Ray O'Hara
"theget" <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
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On Dec 9, 12:09 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "David / Amicus" <Ami...@webtv.net> wrote in
> messagenews:19505-4B1...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net...
>
> >I was watching an SVU rerun tonight. It was said that in New York state
> > that adult incest was only an E felony!
>
> while a crime against nature it really shouldn't be a civil crime at all.
What does "a crime against nature" mean? Does "nature" have courts
where you can be tried?
What if the incestuous couple reproduces and their child has severe
birth defects? Should they be punished for that? If they should,
should every couple, incestuous or not, be required to under go
eugenics counseling?
Theget
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the crime against nature is punished by nature, the deformed baby you
mentioned.
otherwise its nobodies affair.
its icky. but should not be criminal.
the same with polygamy. if people want to live that way, power to them.
as for John Phillips, he was always known as a dirtbag. but if he was going
to hit on a daughter he'd have been better advised to go after the serious
babe Chyna and not the distressingly ugly McKenzie.
David / Amicus
Don't have sex with anyone you can't legally marry!
theget
> If you can't marry them then you shouldn't being having sex with them.
>
> Don't have sex with anyone you can't legally marry!
So if was legally ok to marry one's close blood relatives you'd be ok
with that?
Theget
David / Amicus
with that?>>
The Church can give a dispensation for first cousins to marry and for
uncle and niece to marry. Who am I to question Holy Mother Church?
Vince
> If you can't marry them then you shouldn't being having sex with them.
>
>
> Don't have sex with anyone you can't legally marry!
>
Heres an interesting case lets say you never met your cousin (funny how
thats the only relative that doesn't say which sex they are)or haven't
seen them in many years.
One day you meet a person online, in a singles bar whatever and you have
sex and its your cousin. Need I say more?
theget
> <<So if was legally ok to marry one's close blood relatives you'd be ok
> with that?>>
>
> The Church can give a dispensation for first cousins to marry and for
> uncle and niece to marry.
What you said was "Don't have sex with anyone you can't legally
marry!"
It's not clear to me how a dispensation from the church is a legal
ruling. So I'm sorry, but I don't think that your answer is
responsive.
> Who am I to question Holy Mother Church?
Your position didn't say anything about the church ruling on anything.
So it's not clear to me how this is relevant to your statement about
the relation (if I may use that word) between the legality of marriage
and the appropriateness of having sex with a particular individual.
However, who are you to not question "Holy Mother Church?"
Theget
David / Amicus
married four times. The first three wives died and no issue. His last
wife who bore him two daughters was his niece Maria Cristina of Naples.
theget
This appears as a response to my post, but the content appears not to
be a response but to be random comments on the topic.
Theget
David Johnston
wrote:
>If you can't marry them then you shouldn't being having sex with them.
Not an answer to the question.
>
>
>Don't have sex with anyone you can't legally marry!
Well there's a compelling argument for making gay marriage legal.
David / Amicus
It is in some places.
D.F. Manno
Vince <vpil...@optonline.net> wrote:
> David / Amicus wrote:
>
> > Who am I to question Holy Mother Church?
>
> Oh thats news to me, much as I know back in earlier times it was very
> common for first cousins to marry, but uncle and niece, I don't think so.
>
> Who are you to question? So you just go alone blindly?
I challenged him on that last month. He never answered,
--
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Vince
> In article <4b2321bd$0$4991$607e...@cv.net>,
> Vince <vpil...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> David / Amicus wrote:
>>
>>> Who am I to question Holy Mother Church?
>> Oh thats news to me, much as I know back in earlier times it was very
>> common for first cousins to marry, but uncle and niece, I don't think so.
>>
>> Who are you to question? So you just go alone blindly?
>
> I challenged him on that last month. He never answered,
>
I'm still waiting on the groups thoughts on cousins dating and sex
David / Amicus
It's legal in California to marry one's cousin. Years back I had a
coworker who related that when she and her boyfriend went to get their
marriage license that she saw a sign that said that first cousin
marriage was now legal.
I asked her if it gave her pause for thought. Afterall she had more
marital options now. ;-))))
First cousin marriage didn't seem to cause any problems for Queen
Victoria and Prince Albert.
I understand that first cousins marriage is popular in Islam so as to
keep the property within the family.
theget
> > Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >> David / Amicus wrote:
>
> >>> Who am I to question Holy Mother Church?
> >> Oh thats news to me, much as I know back in earlier times it was very
> >> common for first cousins to marry, but uncle and niece, I don't think so.
>
> >> Who are you to question? So you just go alone blindly?
>
> > I challenged him on that last month. He never answered,
>
> I'm still waiting on the groups thoughts on cousins dating and sex
In an age where birth control and abortion are available I don't
consider it to be my business and I frankly don't care.
I don't much care about these people either http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6424937.stm
Who am I to question what other people do?
Theget
theget
If you're waiting for David/Amicus to answer a question you may have a
long wait. IMO he avoids answering questions. I wonder why. Maybe
he needs someone to tell him what the answer is before he can answer.
Theget
David Johnston
wrote:
Sure it does. Those things are what he thinks about when the subject
of cousins dating and sex come up.
theget
> theget wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 11:35 pm, Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> D.F. Manno wrote:
> >>> In article <4b2321bd$0$4991$607ed...@cv.net>,
> >>> Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>>> David / Amicus wrote:
> >>>>> Who am I to question Holy Mother Church?
> >>>> Oh thats news to me, much as I know back in earlier times it was very
> >>>> common for first cousins to marry, but uncle and niece, I don't think so.
> >>>> Who are you to question? So you just go alone blindly?
> >>> I challenged him on that last month. He never answered,
> >> I'm still waiting on the groups thoughts on cousins dating and sex
>
> > In an age where birth control and abortion are available I don't
> > consider it to be my business and I frankly don't care.
>
>
> > Who am I to question what other people do?
>
> > Theget
>
> In your case forget it
But, but, but, I answered the question!
Isn't that what you wanted?
Theget
David / Amicus
Like years back I had a coworker who brought in her newborn grandchild
to show off. Without thinking the first thing I said to her was "I
didn't know your son got married?". She replied "He didn't".
theget
> I'm old fashioned in thinking that sex belongs in marriage.
Maybe the government shouldn't be involved in these decisions at all.
Divorce or its analog could be handled as a contract issue.
> Like years back I had a coworker who brought in her newborn grandchild
> to show off. Without thinking the first thing I said to her was "I
> didn't know your son got married?". She replied "He didn't".
If you had thought about it, would that have involved questions
directed toward your church?
Theget
theget
> If you can't marry them then you shouldn't being having sex with them.
>
> Don't have sex with anyone you can't legally marry!
Is this, uh, um, er, related?
"What if they start dating one another?"
http://www.newsweek.com/id/227104
Theget
Michael Black
I'm surprised he had the ability to do anything but donate the sperm
twice a week. Obviously it was more than easy at the beginning, but
as the years go by, one would think he'd be slower.
Hasn't that been a theme for an L&O episode, likely SVU? I seem to recall
an episode where there were siblings that got together when they
discovered they had a common father, a sperm donor.
Of course, the concept of siblings dating is a staple of tv shows,
specifically soap operas. They are unaware that they are related, and
then trouble comes up when the reveal happens after they are happily in
love.
Michael
D.F. Manno
Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus) wrote:
That's not "old fashioned," just rude.
--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would
have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His
existence. (Bertrand Russell)
theget
> If you can't marry them then you shouldn't being having sex with them.
>
> Don't have sex with anyone you can't legally marry!
In that case a Merry Christmas to all of you and our robot friends.