What's happening to Jack's voice?
Mary Campbell
one point his voice was so strained he was almost squeaking.
VoxofaFox
I thought Jack sounded even raspier than usual last night (Apr. 26). As one
point his voice was so strained he was almost squeaking.
>>
I noticed that too! Seemed like he was struggling to get the words out. Kind
of disturbing....
Margie, who is sorry for another Jack post but this isn't a drooler, it's an
observation:-)
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Before you buy.
kathe
previous weeks, though. Also, it didn't sound that way during
the Larry King interview (or maybe I didn't notice it)
Kathe
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Walt
Keep in mind, the New York area had a major flu virus going around this winter
(I know because I was sick for over a week with it in January), and it's quite
possible Waterston was feeling the effects of the flu at the time the episode
was shot.
Walt
E-mail me at: Free...@juno.com
chris london
ga...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <20000427115321...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
>
> It's been like this all season. My guess is emphysema.
>
Let's not jump to medical conclusions, OK?
chris london
kathe <mkutchik...@gateway.net.invalid> wrote:
> I have noticed that,too. It seemed better than it had in
> previous weeks, though. Also, it didn't sound that way during
> the Larry King interview (or maybe I didn't notice it)
> Kathe
>
He sounded fine on "The View" too.
Cavillaca4
>winter
Keep in mind as well that they do every scene about forty times. As you get
older, and let's face it Waterston has gotten older, your voice can't take as
much stress, especially the voice of someone who has had to use it as much as
Waterston has.
Ken Marshall
voice);how about "Ned" from South Park? "NNnnnwere you in Da Nang?"
Terry
ga...@my-deja.com
chris london <chris_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8e9qur$9ji$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> ga...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <20000427115321...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
> >
> > It's been like this all season. My guess is emphysema.
> >
>
> Let's not jump to medical conclusions, OK?
>
voice and gasping for breath are signs.
Of course, it could just be some sort of character development, or a
year-long flu.
gailj
jumping to whatever conclusions she damn well pleases
Freyja
<ga...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ed3ip$uic$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
| Why not? It's just a guess. I've known people with emphysema; a cracking
| voice and gasping for breath are signs.
|
| Of course, it could just be some sort of character development, or a
| year-long flu.
Bad weather and overuse could be causing it. It sounds more like a problem
with vocal cord irritation.
I see no signs of emphysema. No signs of swelling, shortness of breath,
cyanosis in the nail beds or mucous membranes, or the slow changes in the
contour of his rib cage.
I wonder if he has had a voice coach? They can help with techniques for
reducing stress to the cords.
Just my $0.02 based on my training as a soprano and as a cardiac nurse.
--
Freyja
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Lani Logan
know if he even smokes, and for another, i watched my beloved
grandfather slowly die from that horrible disease and would be
extremely upset if that news was true.
lani, losing my cool this time.
On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:32:57 GMT, ga...@my-deja.com wrote:
>In article <8ea5n9$mgl$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> chris london <chris_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> In article <8e9qur$9ji$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>> ga...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> > In article <20000427115321...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
>> >
>> > It's been like this all season. My guess is emphysema.
>> >
>>
>> Let's not jump to medical conclusions, OK?
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
>>
>Why not? It's just a guess. I've known people with emphysema; a cracking
>voice and gasping for breath are signs.
>
>Of course, it could just be some sort of character development, or a
>year-long flu.
>
Dr. Lee A. Worth
Freyja <lkpa...@cannedmeat.home.com> wrote in message
news:azoO4.26714$R4.1...@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com...
> | voice and gasping for breath are signs.
> |
> | Of course, it could just be some sort of character development, or a
> | year-long flu.
>
problem
> with vocal cord irritation.
>
> I see no signs of emphysema. No signs of swelling, shortness of breath,
> cyanosis in the nail beds or mucous membranes, or the slow changes in the
> contour of his rib cage.
>
glad to know that Jack isn't cyanotic. Lenny does look hypertensive though.
Consta
>NONONONONO!!! Pleeeeeze don't say emphysema. For one thing, we don't
>know if he even smokes, and for another, i watched my beloved
>grandfather slowly die from that horrible disease and would be
>extremely upset if that news was true.
With all due respect to the original poster, this is NOT "news".
This is an idle comment made on the usenet by someone who has not been
in Mr. Waterston's presence.
Consta
One can never have too many cats.
Ernest Hemingway
paul cook
Agreed. Not to mention that it's a "stupid" idle comment, the kind
that starts stupid rumors. To say that an actor's voice has changed is
one thing, to, "guess" that he has a serious illness is quite another.
The poster should know better.
Consta
>
>Agreed. Not to mention that it's a "stupid" idle comment, the kind
>that starts stupid rumors. To say that an actor's voice has changed is
>one thing, to, "guess" that he has a serious illness is quite another.
>The poster should know better.
And we seem to be having a run on them.
Someone else made the comment that "women as thin as Harmon don't
menstruate". That's irresponsible and flat out wrong. Anorexia
can cause a woman's periods to stop, that is true, but not all thin
women are anorexic and certainly not all of them have low enough body
fat percentages to cause that. I know women as thin as Harmon who
have had children.
We do not KNOW these people. We haven't even stood in the same room
with them. To make commentary on their health like that is just over
the top.
We all know I'm not Harmon's biggest fan (understatement of the
century) but puhlease.
Ric2k
cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mary Campbell) wrote:
> I thought Jack sounded even raspier than usual last night (Apr. 26).
As
> one point his voice was so strained he was almost squeaking.
>
I know. Perhaps Mr. Waterston can cut back a bit or save his pipes for
Law and Order only. After all, Mr Waterston does numerous side parlays
for the History channel and most currently, for the INVESCO family of
mutual funds.
I'm sure you've seen the adds on CNBC or during any ballgame. It's Mr.
Waterston who codas those INVESCO ads by saying:
"YOU SHOULD KNOW, WHAT INVESCO KNOWS."
Nevertheless, Waterston...raspy voiced and all...is still a court-room
showman.
But I would like to hear that voice sound better.
Barry Gaudet
: paul cook <coo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
:>Agreed. Not to mention that it's a "stupid" idle comment, the kind
:>that starts stupid rumors. To say that an actor's voice has changed is
:>one thing, to, "guess" that he has a serious illness is quite another.
:>The poster should know better.
: And we seem to be having a run on them.
I agree but actors do choose to live in the limelight. You take the good
with the bad.
: Someone else made the comment that "women as thin as Harmon don't
: menstruate". That's irresponsible and flat out wrong. Anorexia
: can cause a woman's periods to stop, that is true, but not all thin
: women are anorexic and certainly not all of them have low enough body
: fat percentages to cause that. I know women as thin as Harmon who
: have had children.
I thought that too. Im glad you said it. You have soooo much credibilty
defending AH. :)
: We do not KNOW these people. We haven't even stood in the same room
: with them. To make commentary on their health like that is just over
: the top.
: We all know I'm not Harmon's biggest fan (understatement of the
: century) but puhlease.
: Consta
: One can never have too many cats.
: Ernest Hemingway
True, if you ever did get too many cats they'd settle it themselves.
--
'I can't lead and I won't follow.'
Walt
Again, Waterston's voice probablly was as it is because he was likely feeling
aftereffects of the flu. Again, we had one of the worst flu virii in the
northeast in 15+ years this past winter, and that had to play havoc one way or
another with everyone on "L & O."
Freyja
Walt <laword...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000430105526...@ng-md1.aol.com...
| Paul and others:
|
| Again, Waterston's voice probablly was as it is because he was likely
feeling
| aftereffects of the flu. Again, we had one of the worst flu virii in the
| northeast in 15+ years this past winter, and that had to play havoc one
way or
| another with everyone on "L & O."
The weather has been inconsistent also. That's hard on a voice.
kathe
season and as I said it sounded better in the last episode and
just fine during the appearances (very recently) on Larry King
and the View from Hell (how I hate that show!) So whatever it
was it seems to be fine- besides I doubt he would commit to a
summer stage production if his voice was in trouble.
Raspy voice or not I'll take him- he doesn't even have to speak!!
Consta
>
>: And we seem to be having a run on them.
>
> I agree but actors do choose to live in the limelight. You take the good
>with the bad.
>
Well, I think that their PUBLIC life is fair game, but these kinds of
comments about their private lives and their health are beyond the
pale in my book. I'm sorry but I've never bought the argument that
because you choose to be an actor your entire life should be an open
book that any stranger has rights to tread upon.
> I thought that too. Im glad you said it. You have soooo much credibilty
>defending AH. :)
LOL, well I still think she's a dreadfully mediocre actor who should
be replaced as soon as is humanly possible.
But I've never met the woman. Any comments made about her as a human
being are a bit much.
>: One can never have too many cats.
>: Ernest Hemingway
>
>True, if you ever did get too many cats they'd settle it themselves.
>
LOL, no mine just complain loudly. Of course I may not have "too"
many, but I certainly have quite enough, thank you.
Barry Gaudet
: Barry Gaudet <bga...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
:> I agree but actors do choose to live in the limelight. You take the good
:>with the bad.
: Well, I think that their PUBLIC life is fair game, but these kinds of
: comments about their private lives and their health are beyond the
: pale in my book. I'm sorry but I've never bought the argument that
: because you choose to be an actor your entire life should be an open
: book that any stranger has rights to tread upon.
Where is the line between PUBLIC and private life? I liked Michael J
Fox's position on such things. In an interview years ago he said
something to the effect: 'Ya the National Enquirer prints lies that are
legally actionable but its just not worth the effort. Given how well Ive
done I can't really complain.' I wouldnt get too uptight about people
speculating in that manner.
I personally dont understand why people get so worked up about actors
personal lives. You would not believe the 'Is David Hyde Pierce Gay'
brouhaha on the Frasier ng a while back. But many do else People magazine
and the like would be out of business.
:> I thought that too. Im glad you said it. You have soooo much credibilty
:>defending AH. :)
: LOL, well I still think she's a dreadfully mediocre actor who should
: be replaced as soon as is humanly possible.
: But I've never met the woman. Any comments made about her as a human
: being are a bit much.
My problem with it was that she is no where near thin enough for the body
to shut down reproductive functions. Not that the comment was made
but that that they were so far off base.
:>: One can never have too many cats.
:>: Ernest Hemingway
:>
:>True, if you ever did get too many cats they'd settle it themselves.
:>
: LOL, no mine just complain loudly. Of course I may not have "too"
: many, but I certainly have quite enough, thank you.
How many is 'not "too" many'?
paul cook
Barry Gaudet <bga...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>
> I agree but actors do choose to live in the limelight. You take the
>good
> with the bad.
But they don't have to take the bad if it's untrue and is potentially
damaging to their careers.
Consta
>Where is the line between PUBLIC and private life? I liked Michael J
>Fox's position on such things. In an interview years ago he said
>something to the effect: 'Ya the National Enquirer prints lies that are
>legally actionable but its just not worth the effort. Given how well Ive
>done I can't really complain.' I wouldnt get too uptight about people
>speculating in that manner.
> I personally dont understand why people get so worked up about actors
>personal lives. You would not believe the 'Is David Hyde Pierce Gay'
>brouhaha on the Frasier ng a while back. But many do else People magazine
>and the like would be out of business.
I don't understand the fascination with their private lives, either.
I don't read People or the tabloids.
And I would think there was a rather clear line between their public
and private lives. The public life is related to the work...the
shows they are in, the interviews they give, hell, I'll even give you
the parties they attend. Private is their family/sex/love lives,
their health, where they shop and what they like for dinner--the sort
of thing any reasonable person would like not to have under a
microscope.
I know that it's pissing into the wind here <G>, but I still believe
that I, as a fan, have a right to have interest in and to discuss the
public life...and that the private is just none of my damned business.
>My problem with it was that she is no where near thin enough for the body
>to shut down reproductive functions. Not that the comment was made
>but that that they were so far off base.
Well, it bothered me both that it was said in the first place and that
it was innaccurate.
>
>:>: One can never have too many cats.
>:>: Ernest Hemingway
>How many is 'not "too" many'?
>
LOL, I don't confess to that in public <G>. I have more cats than I
ever really wanted. When I moved into my house I discovered a colony
of un-neutered strays liked my bougianvilla's a LOT. I've since
caught and neutered them all...and collected the litters...placing
those I could find homes for, keeping the ones I couldn't.
I'm not one of those crazy cat collecting ladies. I just couldn't
bring myself to put down (and taking them to the pound here is the
same as...) healthy cats because some idiot was too irresponsible to
neuter their cat before they dumped it.
It's in the single digits...but more than a sane person would realy
admit to in public <G>. And blessedly, the number is stable. All
the starys are no longer reproducing, so there won't be any more
little "surprises" under my bushes.
Consta, the multi-catted
Lani Logan
woman's body is different and "shuts down reproductively" at varying
weights. My friend is thin but never had any trouble conceiving, yet
another is similar, proportionately, and is amenorhiac <sp>. Both
women, incidentally, look a heck of a lot like Ms. Harmon, size-wise.
lani (the doctor is IN-sane)
On 30 Apr 2000 17:36:06 GMT, Barry Gaudet <bga...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
<a whole lotta snippin' goin' on>
>My problem with it was that she is no where near thin enough for the body
>to shut down reproductive functions. Not that the comment was made
>but that that they were so far off base.
>
>:>: One can never have too many cats.
>:>: Ernest Hemingway
>:>
>:>True, if you ever did get too many cats they'd settle it themselves.
>:>
>
>: LOL, no mine just complain loudly. Of course I may not have "too"
>: many, but I certainly have quite enough, thank you.
>
>How many is 'not "too" many'?
>
>
Lani Logan
blunder, i will apologize----it was inappropriate, just like the
comment about Waterston's voice problems were.
lani, who'd eat crow if i weren't a vegetarian (and had to pluck the
feathers off---ugh)
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:34:25 GMT, cons...@mindspring.com (Consta)
wrote:
>Barry Gaudet <bga...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>
>>Where is the line between PUBLIC and private life? I liked Michael J
>>Fox's position on such things. In an interview years ago he said
>>something to the effect: 'Ya the National Enquirer prints lies that are
>>legally actionable but its just not worth the effort. Given how well Ive
>>done I can't really complain.' I wouldnt get too uptight about people
>>speculating in that manner.
>> I personally dont understand why people get so worked up about actors
>>personal lives. You would not believe the 'Is David Hyde Pierce Gay'
>>brouhaha on the Frasier ng a while back. But many do else People magazine
>>and the like would be out of business.
>
>
>I don't understand the fascination with their private lives, either.
>I don't read People or the tabloids.
>
>And I would think there was a rather clear line between their public
>and private lives. The public life is related to the work...the
>shows they are in, the interviews they give, hell, I'll even give you
>the parties they attend. Private is their family/sex/love lives,
>their health, where they shop and what they like for dinner--the sort
>of thing any reasonable person would like not to have under a
>microscope.
>
>I know that it's pissing into the wind here <G>, but I still believe
>that I, as a fan, have a right to have interest in and to discuss the
>public life...and that the private is just none of my damned business.
>
>
>>My problem with it was that she is no where near thin enough for the body
>>to shut down reproductive functions. Not that the comment was made
>>but that that they were so far off base.
>
>Well, it bothered me both that it was said in the first place and that
>it was innaccurate.
>
>>
>>:>: One can never have too many cats.
>>:>: Ernest Hemingway
>
>>How many is 'not "too" many'?
>>
>
>LOL, I don't confess to that in public <G>. I have more cats than I
>ever really wanted. When I moved into my house I discovered a colony
>of un-neutered strays liked my bougianvilla's a LOT. I've since
>caught and neutered them all...and collected the litters...placing
>those I could find homes for, keeping the ones I couldn't.
>
>I'm not one of those crazy cat collecting ladies. I just couldn't
>bring myself to put down (and taking them to the pound here is the
>same as...) healthy cats because some idiot was too irresponsible to
>neuter their cat before they dumped it.
>
>It's in the single digits...but more than a sane person would realy
>admit to in public <G>. And blessedly, the number is stable. All
>the starys are no longer reproducing, so there won't be any more
>little "surprises" under my bushes.
>
>Consta, the multi-catted
>
>
Katy IJL
>
>aftereffects of the flu. Again, we had one of the worst flu virii in the
>northeast in 15+ years this past winter,
No we didn't. Where did you hear that?
Katy
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All I can tell you on the flu is a number of people I know were sick, some for
a long as two weeks with this version of the flu. The virus had to effect just
about everyone on "L & O" whether they actually got the flu full-blast or not.
Consta
>Katy:
>
>All I can tell you on the flu is a number of people I know were sick, some for
>a long as two weeks with this version of the flu. The virus had to effect just
>about everyone on "L & O" whether they actually got the flu full-blast or not.
>
>Walt
The sound you hear is Aristotle whirling in his grave.
Consta
Luna
>All I can tell you on the flu is a number of people I know were sick, some
>for
>a long as two weeks with this version of the flu.
Just because a number of people you know were sick makes it the worst flu
season in recent memory?
scoffingly, luna
* "So I started a website featuring 'Nude celebrities caught on hidden
camera.' And people keep telling me, 'Your neighbors aren't
celebrities.' Well, they are now."
--
"The world shall be cleansed with ice and floods, and I'll thank
you to keep to your own shelf in the refrigerator."
Ken Marshall
my quad had a very raspy voice; it was caused by scar tissue on her
vocal cords. The scar tissue was caused by her repeated screaming at
football games,concerts,etc; she had surgery,and was cautioned to take
better care of her vocal cords
( she wasn't able to speak for 10 days post-op,but she just communicated
by writing or gestures,one in particular! ). "Scar tissue that I wish
you saw,sarcastic Mr.Know-It-All"...Terry
Dana Carpender
Consta wrote:
> laword...@aol.com (Walt) wrote:
>
> >Katy:
> >
> >All I can tell you on the flu is a number of people I know were sick, some for
> >a long as two weeks with this version of the flu. The virus had to effect just
> >about everyone on "L & O" whether they actually got the flu full-blast or not.
> >
> >Walt
>
> The sound you hear is Aristotle whirling in his grave.
Yeah, but he believed in crystal spheres, and that the planets moved in perfect
circles; what did he know?
--
Dana W. Carpender
Author, How I Gave Up My Low Fat Diet -- And Lost Forty Pounds!
http://www.holdthetoast.com
Check out our FREE Low Carb Ezine!
Consta
>
>
>Consta wrote:
>
>>
>> The sound you hear is Aristotle whirling in his grave.
>
>Yeah, but he believed in crystal spheres, and that the planets moved in perfect
>circles; what did he know?
>--
True, but at least he didn't believe that
a) Claire is in the witness protection program
b) Olivett married Ben
c) Harmon is the best thing about L&O and
he had some grasp of the concept of logical thinking.
Katy IJL
>
>All I can tell you on the flu is a number of people I know were sick, some
>for
>a long as two weeks with this version of the flu.
So because some people you know were sick, it's a really bad flu season? Right.
I'm giving statistics:
In 1998, 6.4 students per grade were absent due to sickness during flu season.
In 1999, 5.3 students per grade were absent due to sickness during flu season.
In 2000 [early] 4.7 students per grade were absent due to sickness during flu
season.
Based on NYC Public School Attendance records.
So, this year was better than average unless you have something else.
Walt
Thanks for the post. Around the Penn Campus (where I live here in Philly), we
had many more people sick, some for severely extended periods because of this
virus. At least in Philly, this was one of the worst flu seasons ever.
Pennyaline
>Katy:
>
>Thanks for the post. Around the Penn Campus (where I live here in Philly), we
>had many more people sick, some for severely extended periods because of this
>virus. At least in Philly, this was one of the worst flu seasons ever.
Last I knew, Walt, Philadelphia was still not part of NYC and was not the whole
of the Northeast. So, Walt, what you meant to say was:
1) "This year's influenza season was bad,
2) "Philadelphia was affected,
3) "I guess that NYC, L&O, Wolf Films, etc. mighta been kinda similarly
affected because I think about it too much,
4) "real research consistently fails to support my theories, but half-baked
empiricism and guesswork have never let me down,
5) "it's fun to imagine stuff about a fave TV show and this is only my opinion,
but I have other things to do which you would know if you would ignore evidence
to the contrary and agree with me, and
6) "all of this will be repeated in other posts with unrelated subject lines
later on in the week or maybe even today, but it's guaranteed to go on forever
regardless."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sorry, but my karma ran over your dogma.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
paul cook
Katy IJL
> At least in Philly, this was one of the worst flu seasons ever.
>
>
>
But that's Philadelphia. Law & Order is not in Philadelphia, so what happens
there has nothing to do with L&O.
CyberBMcD
Freyja wrote:
>
> <ga...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ed3ip$uic$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> | Why not? It's just a guess. I've known people with emphysema; a cracking
> | voice and gasping for breath are signs.
> |
> | Of course, it could just be some sort of character development, or a
> | year-long flu.
>
> Bad weather and overuse could be causing it. It sounds more like a problem
> with vocal cord irritation.
>
> I see no signs of emphysema. No signs of swelling, shortness of breath,
> cyanosis in the nail beds or mucous membranes, or the slow changes in the
> contour of his rib cage.
>
> I wonder if he has had a voice coach? They can help with techniques for
> reducing stress to the cords.
>
> Just my $0.02 based on my training as a soprano and as a cardiac nurse.
>
> --
> Freyja
> (de-spam e-mail addy)
kewl...: 2 cents from a tenor and cardiac nurse..<and husband and
father to 2 asthmatics>.
I thought it sounded like someone with asthma/bronchitis trying to talk
his way through!!!!
B McD
CyberBMcD
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4903a2.htm
Katy IJL wrote:
>
> Walt wrote:
>
> >
> >aftereffects of the flu. Again, we had one of the worst flu virii in the
> >northeast in 15+ years this past winter,
>
> No we didn't. Where did you hear that?
>
Pennyaline
>yes we did:
>http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4903a2.htm
because Katy IJL wrote:
>>
>> Walt wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >aftereffects of the flu. Again, we had one of the worst flu virii in the
>> >northeast in 15+ years this past winter,
>>
>> No we didn't. Where did you hear that?
McD, I may be out of practice when it comes to reading the Morbidity and
Mortality Weekly Report, but I'm not so impaired that I'd miss the part where
it limited the most virulent influenza outbreak in fifteen years to the
Northeastern states. In short, it didn't report it. Therefore, it backs up
neither your nor Walt's statement. Better luck next time.
BTW, there is no such word as "virii." The plural of virus is viruses.
CyberBMcD
in was at or above full census due to rampant upper respiratory
infections from November to January.
I am not sure how much worse this year was than previous so I cannot
back-up Walt's original statement of 15+ years.
Since I cannot find hard statistics to back up my assessment I guess
that means that it wasn't an above normal year for influenza.
However, I could give you the names of 17 families that had love ones
die at our facility due to complications from the flu that might
disagree with you and Katy.
As a nurse I can make an assessment that is based on my professional
opinion:
Based on my observations of this past flu season, it was the worst we've
had in the last 5 years.
Pennyaline
>I guess I must have been sucked in by the fact that the hospital I work
>in was at or above full census due to rampant upper respiratory
>infections from November to January.
Huge increases in admissions for flu-related disorders began early in the
season and occured nationwide, not just at your facility.
>I am not sure how much worse this year was than previous so I cannot
>back-up Walt's original statement of 15+ years.
The arguable point in Walt's statement was the location of the outbreak, not
the time frame.
>Since I cannot find hard statistics to back up my assessment I guess
>that means that it wasn't an above normal year for influenza.
It only means that you did not find hard statistics to back up your assessment.
The empiric evidence doesn't suppport it, either. Therefore, it's time to
reassess.
When a theory fails, revise it.
>However, I could give you the names of 17 families that had love ones
>die at our facility due to complications from the flu that might
>disagree with you and Katy.
The MMWR article supports the assertion that this was an above average year for
the flu, but no one said it wasn't.
As far as your facility's mortality rate goes, much depends on what facility
you work in and the types of patients you care for. Patients with cardiac and
pulmonary impairments are more vulnerable to diseases in general, as are the
very young and the very old. Preexisting organ systems failure may factor in.
An ordinary flu outbreak could decimate your population of AIDS patients. Then
there is chemo. And that's just a start. What were the complications exactly?
How many beds does your facility have? Where these victims hale and hearty
before contracting the virus? Were any of those cases nosocomial? Seventeen
deaths in one facility is heartbreaking, but you haven't broken that down
statistically while still trying to use it as a statistic.
The evidence you provided did not support Walt's observation or your defense of
it. It was Walt's assertion that particularly virulent flu was prevalent
specifically in the northeastern states.
>As a nurse I can make an assessment that is based on my professional
>opinion:
As a fellow nurse, I could also make assessments based on professional opinion.
But on the whole they would not be accurate assessments. Those require facts.
>Based on my observations of this past flu season, it was the worst we've
>had in the last 5 years.
Of course your opinion counts, as long as it isn't stated as fact.
CyberBMcD
Pennyaline wrote:
> Huge increases in admissions for flu-related disorders began early in the
> season and occured nationwide, not just at your facility.
true thus supporting at least part of Walt's statement.
> The arguable point in Walt's statement was the location of the outbreak, not
> the time frame.
I would love to cite the "Newsday" articles that quoted statistics
showing the northeast was hit particularly harder than other areas but
the wonderful rag that brings us our news here on LI wants to charge me
to retrieve them.
>
......
> The empiric evidence doesn't suppport it, either. Therefore, it's time to
> reassess.
actually the empiric evidence does support it if you have the time to
check the CDC weekly logs they show NY in particular at epidemic levels
in Dec and Jan. this would serve to at least corroborate Walt's
statement that the season was worse than previous.
>
> When a theory fails, revise it.
my theory hasn't failed, however further data is needed so reassessment
is in order
> The MMWR article supports the assertion that this was an above average year for
> the flu, but no one said it wasn't.
actually: Katy did
>
> As far as your facility's mortality rate goes, much depends on what facility
> you work in and the types of patients you care for. Patients with cardiac and
> pulmonary impairments are more vulnerable to diseases in general, as are the
> very young and the very old. Preexisting organ systems failure may factor in.
> An ordinary flu outbreak could decimate your population of AIDS patients. Then
> there is chemo. And that's just a start. What were the complications exactly?
6 of the 17 were cardiac patients, 6 were AIDS, 4 pediatric, and ghastly
1 maternal
> How many beds does your facility have?
540
Where these victims hale and hearty
> before contracting the virus?
all four pediatrics and 3 of the cardiacs.
Were any of those cases nosocomial?
I believe all of the AIDS, sadly.
Seventeen
> deaths in one facility is heartbreaking, but you haven't broken that down
> statistically while still trying to use it as a statistic.
>
>
>
> >Based on my observations of this past flu season, it was the worst we've
> >had in the last 5 years.
>
> Of course your opinion counts, as long as it isn't stated as fact.
I don't believe it was, that is why I stated that it was my opinion.
It is also still my opinion, as noted in another post in this thread,
that Sam Waterston was fighting a particularly brutal bout of asthma,
but that is just MHO
btw after further review I must say I didn't realize how prevalent the
past winter's flu epidemic really was. One tends to pay more attention
to one's home region than others. Also I originally felt compelled to
defend Walt's statement based on my opinion that Katy disagreed with the
heavier caseload of flu than with region or time frame.
anyway, my focus note reads:
D nurse plants foot in mouth.
A data compiled by fellow nurse given to said nurse for
further assessment.
R nurse removes foot, reassesses, data and will continue
to monitor.
Katy IJL
>actually: Katy did
and I stand by what I said. My school issues a little medical report, I cited
that. Using that source, I said that this season hasn't been terribly rough. I
spent alot of the fall, winter and part of Spring at a NYC hospital, where I'm
friendly with a lot of nurses and they all have been saying this year was a
lighter flu season. I had what I think was the flu, and I only missed half a
day of school.
Katy,
who is sweating to death again
Freyja
easy, another may have gotten pasted. We had a lot of absenteeism at
work for flu this season. My flu shot must have worked for me.
CyberBMcD
articles almost daily from early Dec- late Jan. about how hard the flu
hit this year. I know the facility I work at on LI had 12 resp. pt's
waiting in the ER, because no beds were available, one weekend because
of it. with similar reports from fellow nurses at 3 other LI facilities
all with 500+ beds. As well as my son's school newsletter from Feb.
noting that so many students had been out over the winter due to the
seemingly , more prolific flu.
So I will also stand by my defense of Walt, and also my own opinion that
Sam was just having a bout of asthma.
Besides I'm nobody too!!! lol
Dave Bismo
wrote:
>I find that hard to believe, when Newsday and the Daily News had
>articles almost daily from early Dec- late Jan. about how hard the flu
>hit this year. I know the facility I work at on LI had 12 resp. pt's
>waiting in the ER, because no beds were available, one weekend because
>of it. with similar reports from fellow nurses at 3 other LI facilities
>all with 500+ beds. As well as my son's school newsletter from Feb.
>noting that so many students had been out over the winter due to the
>seemingly , more prolific flu.
>
>So I will also stand by my defense of Walt, and also my own opinion that
>Sam was just having a bout of asthma.
>
>Besides I'm nobody too!!! lol
>
Thing is, the flu is so contagious that if you had it, chances are
"everyone you know" also got it. Maybe your family gave it to you,
and you gave it to your office, etc. So in our own little universe,
the flu seems to be more widespread than it is in the entire city.
And this was a particularly severe strain, so if you got it (I did--it
was the worst flu I ever had), it seems even more catastrophic. I
didn't believe it either, but the Center for Disease Control did say
that it wasn't that bad of a flu season overall.
-Bismo.
Ken&Terry Marshall
my co-workers almost a month to recover. I still say he may have
nodules on his vocal chords. Terry
Luna
And I say it's really weird to be speculating about his physical health; if
anything was seriously wrong he wouldn't be working through it - or doing a
stage play in the summer.
pointedly, luna
* "From the moment I picked up your book until I laid it down I was
convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it."
Lani Logan
hoping to find all new, exciting conversations, and this business of
Jack's voice is *still* an issue. Geez, let it go already.
lani
On Tue, 16 May 2000 19:22:43 GMT, dwhi...@NOSPAM.ns.sympatico.ca
(Donna Whitman) wrote:
>On Tue, 16 May 2000 06:21:16 -0400 (EDT), KTC...@webtv.net (Ken&Terry
>Marshall) wrote:
>
>>If Sam had the flu, he would not have been able to work;it took some of
>>my co-workers almost a month to recover. I still say he may have
>>nodules on his vocal chords. Terry
>
> If it's the flu, he has a record breaking case of it because this
>has been a recurring problem for some time ( at least a year). I'm
>hoping it's nothing too serious like a recurring bout of bronchitis
>which is annoying as hell but not fatal.
>
>
>*****************************************************
>
>"Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in
>his shoes.Then it's okay, because he's a mile away
>and you've got his shoes."
>
>****************************************************
VoxofaFox
Hoo boy----been away from cyberspace for awhile, came back today, hoping to
find all new, exciting conversations, and this business of
Jack's voice is *still* an issue. Geez, let it go already.>>
Yes...it is the longest thread ever and nothing really of value came out of it
except for a discussion of flu season.
Margie
Freyja
VoxofaFox <voxo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Well, at least no one flu the coop...
--
Freyja <G>
(de-spam e-mail addy)
VoxofaFox
I love Ben too. And he's very sexy in his repressed New-England polite-society
way.>>
He would be SOOOOO fun to seduce right outta those three piece suits.
<<I just... Oh, come on, can't you SEE why Jack is hot?>>
You can't miss it...you just CAN'T.
Margie
giner
In article <20000521221616...@ng-fm1.aol.com>,
luna...@aol.communist (Luna) wrote:
>Jess wrote:
>>Ben was cuter!
>>I'll defend this to the death.
>
>I love Ben too. And he's very sexy in his repressed
New-England polite-society
Ben was hot. Jack is, well, annoying.
And I do think Sam is sexy, he just doesn't work for me as Jack.
-giner
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kathe
SamFan all I can say is that when I see him in jeans and a white
shirt I turn into a puddle of mush!! Plus he's smart, witty,
sexy, experienced, and oh, oh, - sorry I was drifting off into
my own private world. Anyway, although I may not share the
adoration of the Nothgroupies or BriscoeBabes I certainly
understand where you are coming from!!
Kathe
Whose best friend has a deep abiding love for Roger Ebert.
Luna
>Ben was hot. Jack is, well, annoying.
Your opinion; not mine.
And not a lot of people's. They're just very different men who have very
different kinds of attractiveness.
lustfully, luna
* "What a cruel world, letting something this profound be conveyed in
words this trite."
Jess
>I love Ben too. And he's very sexy in his repressed New-England
>polite-society
>way.
:-)
>I just... Oh, come on, can't you SEE why Jack is hot?
>
I guess I can *see* why people like him so much... well maybe I can't!
Although of course I do not know how Sam is in real life, the character of Jack
is much too fast for my taste. Sometimes it's like he comes out of nowhere.
Ben seemed more stable. I can see why someone would like Jack's personality.
Just not the looks part.
>I don't actively dislike him
oh good!
>I've just never liked him much either. He
>doesn't inspire anything in me at all.
He, um.... wow, I guess you're right.
Jess
Jess
>I've encountered him a couple of times. It was QUITE the experience
><sigh>.
grr.... :) I hate living in never-never land!
Jess
Jess
> As a devoted
>SamFan all I can say is that when I see him in jeans and a white
>shirt I turn into a puddle of mush!!
Well when I see Moriarty, no matter what he's wearing, *I* turn into a puddle
of mush! Hmph! :)
>Anyway, although I may not share the
>adoration of the Nothgroupies or BriscoeBabes
Can I be a member of both?!
>Kathe
>Whose best friend has a deep abiding love for Roger Ebert.
what?!?!?!
Jess
Annikins
news:20000522001127...@ng-fl1.aol.com...
> Jess wrote:
>
> >Ann likes McCoy. She's betraying us!
> >
> >
>
> Silly Ann. It's because her Oz guy isn't good enough, she must look
elsewhere.
One more comment before the OT police carry me off...noooooo! that's not
true! When asked about my preference between Stone and McCoy, I chose
McCoy. I personally don't find either one terribly attractive, much less in
my age range! Miguel is MORE than enough me for me, lemme tell ya. <G>
>
> Ann, if you don't behave I sentence you to Hole time . . . with Busmalis!
EW!
-Ann (friday is four whole days away...argh!)
Jess
>Showbizwise, Halifax *was* the boonies but quite a few movies have
>been shot in the province in the past few years and we've had celebs
>who have been known to buy property up here as a summer home
There is one celebrity that I know of living in my town, and I don't even know
who she is! She's a rapper I've never heard of.
Although Jerry Orbach did live here (well that doesn't help me any since I
wasn't around then).
>Jerry
>Orbach has been seen in the area a couple of times although I doubt he
>was in town to visit MM. I understand they didn't particularly get
>along.
:(
>MM had a BAD reputation for getting
>drunk and rowdy until he married.
Oy, so I've heard.
>I haven't heard a thing about him
>lately so he's either settled down into wedded bliss or moved out of
>the area.
Even if he's not with me, I hope he's happy!
jess
Jess
>> Ann, if you don't behave I sentence you to Hole time . . . with Busmalis!
>
>EW!
Shush, Ann! Leave my Busmalis alone! :)
And where have you been lately?!
Jess
Katy IJL
>Shush, Ann! Leave my Busmalis alone! :)
>And where have you been lately?!
>
Ann has been off doing Oz things. She just doesn't care about L&O people
anymore.
Ann, this is serious. I can always arrange an interrogation with Greevey or a
meeting with Nappa.
Katy
Katy IJL
>
>You can't miss it...you just CAN'T.
>
It's possible. Very possible.
Jess and I agree on men.
Dana Carpender
Jess wrote:
> Katy wrote:
>
> >Jess and I agree on men.
>
> Surprisingly enough, since I'm always chasing men who are old enough to be my
> grandfather :)
Funny thing is, I'm a long-time letch for younger men; married one 6 1/2 years
younger than me. But I find Sam sexier than the younger guys on the show. Go
figure.
--
Dana W. Carpender
Author, How I Gave Up My Low Fat Diet -- And Lost Forty Pounds!
http://www.holdthetoast.com
Check out our FREE Low Carb Ezine!
Jess
>Ann has been off doing Oz things. She just doesn't care about L&O people
>anymore.
LOL That just seemed so little kid-like, it made me think of Cyril. Ryan's
been off doing secret things. He just doesn't care about me anymore!
>Ann, this is serious. I can always arrange an interrogation with Greevey or a
>meeting with Nappa.
Now why are you gonna go say that, Katy, without even thinking of ME?! *I'd*
like an interrogation with Greevey AND a meeting with Nappa :P
Jess
Jess
>Jess and I agree on men.
Surprisingly enough, since I'm always chasing men who are old enough to be my
grandfather :)
Jess
Katy IJL
>LOL That just seemed so little kid-like, it made me think of Cyril.
Yo, I'm only two years younger than you! Don't pull rank ::sniffle::
>Ryan's
>been off doing secret things.
Make a joke . . . not make a joke.
Fuck it, here's the joke:
Yea, off doing me!
I wish.
Jess
>Yo, I'm only two years younger than you!
So I'll be legal first and can run away with Dean first! :P
>Fuck it, here's the joke:
>
>Yea, off doing me!
Perv!
Jess
Katy IJL
>So I'll be legal first and can run away with Dean first! :P
But I live closer to the Oz set!
>
>Perv!
>
This from the girl who does guys who could be her dad :-)
Ahh, you know I'm just kidding right?
Jess
>But I live closer to the Oz set!
You're so mean! Yeah, you big bully, well *I* live closer to David
Berkowitz's old apartment and... uh.... there's a cool parking lot across the
street from me!! Yeah! :P
>This from the girl who does guys who could be her dad :-)
>
>Ahh, you know I'm just kidding right?
lol I'm pretty sure, with the exception of Cragen, that most of them could be
my GRANDdad!
Jess
Katy IJL
> You're so mean! Yeah, you big bully, well *I* live closer to David
>Berkowitz's old apartment and... uh.... there's a cool parking lot across the
>street from me!! Yeah! :P
>
But my cousin is Carey Lowells neighbor!
kathe
show. I do tend to go for older men but have a soft spot for
Christian Slater (sigh) Loved him ever since "Heathers" (a movie
that would never get made now!)
Kathe
"Get some beer, and, um, some cleaning products."
Jess
>But my cousin is Carey Lowells neighbor!
But my autographed picture of Jon Seda came in the mail today!
Okay, that had nothing to do with the price of tea in China, but I'm pleased!
Well, my former music teacher taught Denzel Washington!
Jess
Katy IJL
>But my autographed picture of Jon Seda came in the mail today!
But my autographed pictures of Angie Harmon and Chris Meloni came months ago!
Jess
>But my autographed pictures of Angie Harmon and Chris Meloni came months ago!
>
Oh, BURN!!
My mother knows Jonas Mekas. I think he married into her family somehow.
Jess
jo_...@my-deja.com
crye...@aol.com-crapola (Katy IJL) wrote:
> But my autographed pictures of Angie Harmon
Katy, Katy, Katy, why, why, why? <evil grin>
Regards
Jo
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Before you buy.
Whitewolf
> But my autographed pictures of Angie Harmon and Chris Meloni came months
ago!
Hi Katie,
Pardon my ignorance, but is there an official L&O fan club that you got the
pictures from? If so, could you point me in the right direction.
Thanks!
Craig
Katy IJL
>My mother knows Jonas Mekas. I think he married into her family somehow.
>
I don't even know who that is :-)
I live in Diane Wiest's old apartment.
VoxofaFox
I live in Diane Wiest's old apartment.>>
Real Andrews of "General Hospital", Linda Gray and Lassie all live right up the
street from me. Arf!
Margie
Katy IJL
>Hi Katie,
>
>Pardon my ignorance, but is there an official L&O fan club that you got the
>pictures from? If so, could you point me in the right direction.
>
Not that I know of. I wrote to the Angie care of L&O, and to Chris via
http://www.christophermeloni.com . I think that's the URL, I may be wrong.
Katy IJL
>Arf!
Meow.
Jess
>I don't even know who that is :-)
Fuck, neither do I! Actually I was mistaken anyway, it was Adolphus (sp?)
Mekas, brother of Jonas, who married into the family. Yes, I get more obscure
as time goes by!
>I live in Diane Wiest's old apartment.
If you want to make it Oz-like, Leon (Keane) lived in my town. No one
interesting has lived in my apartment :(
Jess
Katy IJL
>
>If you want to make it Oz-like, Leon (Keane) lived in my town.
Hmm, Oz like. Let's see-
I've eaten at all the Krispy Kreme's in NYC, we know Dean Winters likes Krispy
Kremes.
I've been to Chelsea Piers, where Oz is filmed.
still-drooling-over-dean-in-the-oz-teasers,
Whitewolf
"Katy IJL" <crye...@aol.com-crapola> wrote in message
news:20000524205312...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
> Craig wrote:
>
> >Hi Katie,
> >
> >Pardon my ignorance, but is there an official L&O fan club that you got
the
> >pictures from? If so, could you point me in the right direction.
> >
>
> Not that I know of. I wrote to the Angie care of L&O, and to Chris via
> http://www.christophermeloni.com . I think that's the URL, I may be wrong.
>
Ken&Terry Marshall
language,and it smears the integrity of this newsgroup. Also,
regarding Walt's "cool idea"-NOT!!! Terry
Jacquilynne Schlesier
> I noticed that a couple of you (Oz fans,it seems)use unnecessary foul
> language,and it smears the integrity of this newsgroup. Also,
We have integrity? Damn. Somebody shoulda told me that and I'd have tried
to uphold it more.
Seriously. I haven't noticed any real foul language in this group. Some
people might curse in passing but nothing serious. And I hardly see how
that would have an effect on the 'integrity' of the group. It might offend
you personally, but that's hardly the same thing.
Jacquilynne
(Who has never even seen Oz)
--
Jacquilynne Schlesier cs95...@ariel.cs.yorku.ca
http://www.geocities.com/jacquilynne/
Now including all the boring, gory details of my life!
Katy IJL
>I noticed that a couple of you (Oz fans,it seems)use unnecessary foul
>language,and it smears the integrity of this newsgroup.
That's nice. TTYTT, I'm sorry if I upset you with swearing but I'm not going to
stop. It's how I speak normally, I will speak that way online. Non Oz fans
swear too.
And the integrity crap? Please.
Jess
>I've eaten at all the Krispy Kreme's in NYC, we know Dean Winters likes
>Krispy
>Kremes.
Damn, Katy, you'll make anything a stretch!
My counselor was spit on by Al Pacino (it was an accident, okay!), I met one of
the Platters, and my friend's neighbor does set work for Oz AND he got her Dean
and Scott's autographs. I HATE HER.
Going into the Village this weekend,
Jess
Katy IJL
> and my friend's neighbor does set work for Oz AND he got her Dean
>and Scott's autographs. I HATE HER.
Lucky sonofabitch!
Hmm. I use the same eyeglasses place as Richard Belzer, who worked with Dean
Winters on Oz, so maybe I have Dean bacteria 4 times removed . . .
Jess
>Hmm. I use the same eyeglasses place as Richard Belzer, who worked with Dean
>Winters on Oz, so maybe I have Dean bacteria 4 times removed . . .
Did you ever see Belzer there?
I met Chuck Zito. At least I think I did. He hangs with my friend's dad quite
a bit, but I know that when I saw him there I was like ten and didn't know he
was an actor.
Dean bacteria four times removed, huh? Hey I go to Connecticut to see family a
lot, and Lee Tergesen is from there. Think maybe I am breathing Lee-germinated
air?! :)
Hoping so,
Jess
Katy IJL
>Did you ever see Belzer there?
Nah.
>I met Chuck Zito. At least I think I did. He hangs with my friend's dad
>quite
>a bit, but I know that when I saw him there I was like ten and didn't know he
>was an actor.
He's freaky looking.
gi...@unspaminteraccess.com
Christian Slater's a good choice, too. I thought he was quite talented
but what happened to him? Haven't seen him anything lately.
giner
Jess
>Nah.
Damn.
>He's freaky looking.
Ew I know. He looks like a big slab of meat. It's beyond gross. I think I
remember shaking his hand. I don't recall if I was a TERRIFIED CHILD after
that lol
Jess
Katy IJL
>I don't recall if I was a TERRIFIED CHILD after
>that lol
>
I was a terrified child after running into J.K. Simmons and Adewale Akinnou
Adjabe at Tower Records. They were buying some CDs. Naturally, I chickened out
and ran away.
Jess
>I was a terrified child after running into J.K. Simmons and Adewale Akinnou
>Adjabe at Tower Records. They were buying some CDs. Naturally, I chickened
>out
>and ran away.
How could you LIVE with yourself after that!
Same friend with Dean's autograph (ahem, slut), ran into JD Williams in the
Village. When will it be my turn, dammit?!
Jess
kathe
was "Very Bad Things" and he has at least one coming out and one
he is shooting now. He got married this year to the mother of
his son and I guess is trying to put his "bad boy" days behind
him. If you want to check out a wild movie with Christian, see
"True Romance" It was written by Quentin Tarantino. Its somewhat
violent but what characters!! Gary Oldman in dreadlocks, Brad
Pitt as a waste-o, and a scene between Christopher Walken and
Dennis Hopper (who plays a very normal guy)- all this with
Christian as the star. Its one of my favorite movies!
Kathe
"School's out, Veronica." -Christian in "Heathers"
Ken&Terry Marshall
wasn't the right word.
I meant to point out that the posts on this message board have more
intelligence and class than many others. The "F" word is used way too
much in our culture,and is totally unnecessary for discourse. Terry,who
reads more books than watches tv