OT Chicago's gang database.

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https://www.propublica.org/article/politic-il-insider-chicago-gang-database?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

"It’s hard to fathom that there are so many elderly, active gang members in Chicago who need to be tracked by police. But those aren’t the only curious entries in the database. As of this March, it also included 13 people who are supposedly 118 years old — and two others listed as 132."

Makes me wonder if the gangs have a pension fund.

"The gangs listed range from well-known street organizations such as the Gangster Disciples to obscure or mostly defunct groups with only one or two alleged members in the database, such as the Thorndale Jagoffs."

I really just wanted to say "Thorndale Jagoffs."

[jack]

Any buddies of Al C. On the list?

[the...@bigmailbox.net]

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:34:59 AM UTC-4, jack wrote:
> Any buddies of Al C. On the list?

That wasn't a Chicago street gang, that was the Chicago way.

[Martin Edwards]

I saw on pne programme that the Outfit still exists. No head's name was
mentioned though.

[the...@bigmailbox.net]

Sometimes I'm really sorry I'm not in Elementary School anymore because think of the book reports you could do with the material here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_organized_crime_in_Chicago

Here's a quote at random, "1933 – Chicago "reform" Mayor Anton Cermak sent two city cops to Outfit frontman Frank Nitti's office to put a "hit" on the gangster. Apparently, the mayor wanted to take over Outfit territory and give it to the likes of Teddy Newberry, someone more to the mayor's liking."

I remember as a child reading some of the biographies of famous Americans like Franklin and Edison. Maybe submitting a report on these ladies would be more entertaining?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_and_Minna_Everleigh

Anyway, you seem to be correct. The article about the time line of Chicago's organized crime references The Outfit in 2009. But according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Outfit#21st_century it may be fading away.

The current head of The Outfit, is John "No Nose" DiFronzo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_DiFronzo "He got the nickname "No Nose" because he sliced off part of his nose while jumping through a window during a 1949 clothing store burglary."

[Martin Edwards]

Thanks for that. Incidentally, Brian de Palma's film was a whitewash.
The Untouchables were not working with the Chicago Poice, they were
formed precisely because the police were bent. Though they may have
closed a few breweries, it is now quite widely known that Capone was
nailed by a tax inspector for non-payment. Lastly, Ness did not push
Nitti off a roof. He thought the Treasury were on to him too and shot
himself in a railway siding. All that considered how much obfuscation
has Hollywood got away with over time?

[the...@bigmailbox.net]

As much as a gullible public will allow. I remember leaving a showing of Shakespeare in Love, a very good movie BTW, and overhearing another audience member talking about it as if it were a documentary, "I never knew that Shakespeare..." and then I tried to close my ears. Anyway, it was all true and we have the film to prove it.

There are plenty of other examples. Most pirates didn't look like Errol Flynn and the distressed maidens they took aboard their ships didn't look like Olivia De Havilland and the pirates weren't dashing, if desperate, gentlemen where the ladies were concerned.

My one recollection of accuracy in a Western is, IIRC, John Wayne telling a Mexican on Mexican soil as was to get off the land since Wayne wanted it. But that's pretty rare.

And this is something that crosses cultural boundaries. The Yakuza are often portrayed as nice guys who are merely conserving the traditional ways.

I am shocked, shocked, to find out that the CPD was ever bent. Shocked.

[jack]

OTOH, I remember seeing a long time ago the Spencer Tracy flick Northwest Passage ( which had nothing to do with it), about the French and Indian War (I may have posted this before), where in a verisimilitude rare for even 1940s Hollywood, the colonials openly and favorably-presented, conducted a genocidal raid on an Indian village, killing all in it.

[the...@bigmailbox.net]

On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-4, jack wrote:
> OTOH, I remember seeing a long time ago the Spencer Tracy flick Northwest Passage ( which had nothing to do with it), about the French and Indian War (I may have posted this before), where in a verisimilitude rare for even 1940s Hollywood, the colonials openly and favorably-presented, conducted a genocidal raid on an Indian village, killing all in it.

I'm not sure I'd characterize the actual raid as being genocidal since the orders for the raid included "Amherst's orders to Rogers on September 13 included the following: "Remember the barbarities that have been committed by the enemy's Indian scoundrels on every occasion, where they had an opportunity of showing their infamous cruelties on the King's subjects, which they have done without mercy. Take your revenge, but don't forget ... it is my orders that no women or children are killed or hurt."" However, when the attack occurred, "Amherst's order to avoid killing women and children was lost in the frenzy."

They also took prisoners although I'm not sure for what reason. However, "Robert Kirkwood, in a relatively unadorned account, tells how Rogers killed one of their prisoners, an Indian woman, butchered the remains, and divided them among his men."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Raid

Also, this raid took place during the French and Indian War and St. Francis was regarded as a staging ground for many attacks upon the British. There weren't many men in the town at the time of the attack because they had gone to fight for the French.

In the search for realism where do you come down on keeping the dog's name or changing it for the proposed remake of Dam Busters?