Angie Harmon Character.
AVATAR
joined the cast, It seems her
character has a personal vendetta against everybody and anybody. I think
Jill Hennessy was far better.
Any thoughts ?
Avatar
Cryercat
subjects chewed to death and spat out numerous times. I love both Abbie and
Claire, there so different yet so likeable. I think Angie is a pretty good
actress. My favorite Abbie moment was when Alice Simonelli asks Abbie if she's
ever been raped. You can tell the answer by the look on Abbie's face. A
"mediocre/bad" actress couldn't do that. Jill Hennessy was also excellent,
everyone has been in there own way.
Katy
Laura Kunkle
the character. You said you used to watch religiously, but ever since
Harmon's character joined the cast you haven't liked it because her character
has a personal vendetta against everybody and anybody. Then you said you like
Jill Hennessy better. Remember, Angie Harmon is not her character.
You don't like Angie because of the way her character is???
But you like Jill Hennessy because of the way her character was???
You have every right to not like the character Harmon portrays, but don't
let that taint you opinion of the person who portrays it.
I suppose I'm a bit biased, because I think Harmon is great...and I love her
character! I think Harmon's character gives a different look and feel than
we've seen with past female characters in that position.
I guess Harmon's been my favorite, followed very closely by Hennessy.
I know I'm going to get blasted for saying all of this, because the consensus
of this newsgroup seems to be that Harmon can't carry her weight, plus this
newsgroup likes to criticize everyone's personal opinion (if you don't
believe me, stop posting for awhile and sit back and observe...really
observe!!)
I've never replied back to people's opinion of Harmon (the person) or
Carmichael (the character) when people criticize either. However, when you
start blurring things then I'll reply, and in this case I think you have
mixed it up a bit.
But, feel free to slam Harmon the actress or Carmichael the character. I'll
likely disagree with you on both accounts, but I won't reply back with
anything nasty....
AVATAR wrote:
> I used to watch law and order religiously. But ever since Angie Harmon
> joined the cast, It seems her
> character has a personal vendetta against everybody and anybody. I think
> Jill Hennessy was far better.
> Any thoughts ?
>
> Avatar
Paul Bunnell
think there is anything wrong with that. I appreciate her toughness. I
like that she is hard on criminals. It serves most of them right. I find
that she has gotten a little less gung-ho this season, maybe that's because
she is more comfortable with her job and isn't out to prove herself anymore.
It must be difficult to work with Jack [although, I wouldn't mind: )]
Janet
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Diva
> My initial reaction was Ugh, not this can of worms. This is one of the
> many subjects chewed to death and spat out numerous times. I love both
> Abbie and Claire, there so different yet so likeable. I think Angie is a
> pretty good actress. My favorite Abbie moment was when Alice Simonelli
> asks Abbie if she's ever been raped. You can tell the answer by the look
> on Abbie's face. A "mediocre/bad" actress couldn't do that. Jill Hennessy
> was also excellent, everyone has been in there own way.
Law & Order has such high quality. Its less a case of Angie Harmon
being bad, than not being good enough for L & O. She sure is pretty
though.
--
Diva
"The best way to deal with a pest is to ignore him."
Richard Dreyfus in "Mr. Holland's Opus"
William December Starr
"Janet" <bun...@adelphia.net> said:
> I like Abbie. If she has a vendetta it's against the criminals and I
> don't think there is anything wrong with that. I appreciate her
> toughness. I like that she is hard on criminals. It serves most of
> them right.
And what about the ones that it doesn't serve right? Somehow "Oh well,
screw 'em, they're only criminals after all," doesn't seem a morally
valid viewpoint.
-- William December Starr <wds...@crl.com>
Patricia H.
"AVATAR" <mur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I used to watch law and order religiously. But ever since Angie Harmon
> joined the cast, It seems her
> character has a personal vendetta against everybody and anybody. I think
> Jill Hennessy was far better.
> Any thoughts ?
>
My thoughts are that Carey Lowell and Jill Hennessy are better actors than
Angie has any hope of being, and I doubt either of those two will be giving
award acceptance speeches in the near future. Harmon's abilities are
non-existant and the lack of chemistry with Steven and Sam is glaring. As
for the character of Carmichael , she has no redeeming qualities and the
sooner they write her into another dimension or time slot , the better,
imnsho. Those are my thoughts , be they popular or not!
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Before you buy.
Sean9778
I think it's Adam's role to play, as someone else here said, the devil's
advocate, and it's something which McCoy doesn't like -- but I don't sense any
lack of chemistry between the two.
-Sean
Paul Bunnell
She backed off in the EP last year with Alice Simonelli when it became clear
Alice had "justification" for having the guard killed. But, she didn't let
her get away with it. This year she tried to keep Jack under control when
he really wanted the ex-boyfriend in "Patsy" because they didn't have enough
evidence.
I think she is ultimately fair and reasonable. I didn't mean to imply
otherwise.
Janet
William December Starr <wds...@crl.com>
Ursula S Leubner
> In article <o5e54.3353$E4.3...@server2.news.adelphia.net>,
> "Janet" <bun...@adelphia.net> said:
>
> > I like Abbie. If she has a vendetta it's against the criminals and I
> > don't think there is anything wrong with that. I appreciate her
> > toughness. I like that she is hard on criminals. It serves most of
> > them right.
>
> And what about the ones that it doesn't serve right? Somehow "Oh well,
> screw 'em, they're only criminals after all," doesn't seem a morally
> valid viewpoint.
>
> -- William December Starr <wds...@crl.com>
But she only gets that way if she is convinced that she's going after the
right person, and (like Jack) she can be convinced that she has the wrong
person. And she's willing to go out on a limb if she thinks the wrong
person is prosecuted. Remember at the beginning of Juvenile, when she was
willing to investigate when the wrong man had been convicted, when both
Jack and the original ADA on the case were relucent to take it on? My
guess is that tracking down possible wrong convictions must be a very
unpopular job in the DA's office, but she's taken it on willingly. To me,
she seems like someone more interested in doing the job well than in being
liked, even by her coworkers.
Ursula
GopeSux
>My thoughts are that Carey Lowell and Jill Hennessy are better actors than
>Angie has any hope of being,
I agree. I liked Lowell and Hennessy equally on the show. But I can't stand
Harmon's voice! The Carmichael character doesn't bother me, but everytime
Harmon opens her mouth to speak, I just grit my teeth. She's certainly
attractive (reminds me of a young Ali McGraw), but that voice makes her sound
like a 60 year old man crossed with a sick frog.
Alison M. Ashcroft
drowned as the case may be) because of your interesting little simile! I
really did like it though.... mind if I borrow it?!
--Logan Junkie :-)
Rick
or Paul Robinette but she doesn't make or break the show. Fortunately, the
show is so story-driven that the perceived shortcomings of a specific
character is secondary so long as the storyline continues to be compelling
and adroitly written.
My two cents:
#3 Paul Robinette. He got yanked from the show just when he was finally
becoming an astute foil to Ben Stone.
#2 Claire Kincaid. The most user-friendly of the three ADAs...tryst with
McCoy notwithstanding, of course.
#1 Jamie Ross. Like the Beatles, left her niche well before her time was
up. Confident, fiercely pragmatic, and arguably the most intimidating of
the three ADAs because of her intelligence and killer looks.
By the way, I agree with what was said by Laura. You do seem to have a
problem differentiating between the actress and the character.
Out.
AVATAR wrote in message ...
>I used to watch law and order religiously. But ever since Angie Harmon
>joined the cast, It seems her
>character has a personal vendetta against everybody and anybody. I think
>Jill Hennessy was far better.
>Any thoughts ?
>
>Avatar
>
>
Dr. Sven
wrote:
>By the way, I agree with what was said by Laura. You do seem to have a
>problem differentiating between the actress and the character.
>
>Out.
>
Are you a clone, per chance?
Dr. Sven
Diane
wrote:
>Abby Carmichael might not be as well-received as Jamie Ross, Claire Kincaid,
>or Paul Robinette but she doesn't make or break the show. Fortunately, the
>show is so story-driven that the perceived shortcomings of a specific
>character is secondary so long as the storyline continues to be compelling
>and adroitly written.
<snip>
However, Carey Lowell as Jamie Ross was not well-received during her
first L&O season. The actress and character came in for many of the
same criticisms as Harmon and Carmichael have. Most memorable was the
speculation that Lowell had indulged in a cosmetic procedure that had
fused her facial muscles, resulting in limited expression.
That said, the anti-Harmon/Carmichael sentiment appears to be more
strongly entrenched and fervent.
It would be interesting to compare and contrast posters' opinions now
and two years from now. For example, the vitriol directed at Benjamin
Bratt/Rey Curtis was overwhelming at the beginning of his tenure; now
I'd wager there are quite a few Bratt/Curtis fans among us.
Where's my list? OK, here goes:
1) Hennessey/Kincaid
2) Brooks/Robinette
3) Harmon/Carmichael
4) Lowell/Ross
Diane
GopeSux
>Date: Tue, 14 December 1999 05:53 PM EST
>A little warning next time please... I almost choked on my orange juice (or
>drowned as the case may be) because of your interesting little simile! I
>really did like it though.... mind if I borrow it?!
Please do. :)
Christina Beck
>
>On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:04:25 -0800, "Rick" <ric...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Abby Carmichael might not be as well-received as Jamie Ross, Claire
Kincaid,
>>or Paul Robinette but she doesn't make or break the show. Fortunately, the
>>show is so story-driven that the perceived shortcomings of a specific
>>character is secondary so long as the storyline continues to be compelling
>>and adroitly written.
><snip>
>
>However, Carey Lowell as Jamie Ross was not well-received during her
>first L&O season. The actress and character came in for many of the
>same criticisms as Harmon and Carmichael have. Most memorable was the
>speculation that Lowell had indulged in a cosmetic procedure that had
>fused her facial muscles, resulting in limited expression.
>
>That said, the anti-Harmon/Carmichael sentiment appears to be more
>strongly entrenched and fervent.
This is my first post-- I've been lurking for a couple of months and the
incessant ADA debates plus the total lack of sleep from exams has inspired me
to actually post something. :-)
I can't say I've ever really understood the hatred of Abbie Carmichael/Angie
Harmon, except that I can see how people could find her character overly
abrasive. I don't know anything about acting technique, though, and I may be
partial to her because her mannerisms/accent (not that I really notice it,
but my roommate says I must be deaf...) remind me of the 3/4 of my family
that come from the exact same part of the world... as a matter of fact, my
mother and Harmon went to the same high school, albeit in different eras...
:-)
Kincaid is my favourite, but, like actors who criticize Carmichael/Harmon, I
have a beef with Kincaid/Hennessy... I'm an ice dancer/figure skating coach,
and Hennessy's posture (mostly when she's sitting) is TERRIBLE. My roommate
(who is also an ice dancer) and I are always screaming at the TV, "Sit *up*!"
:-)
Oh, well, I'm blabbing and I'm tired and this is all probably totally OT...
my list is:
1) Kincaid
2) Carmichael
3) Ross/Robinette
Christina Beck
Constance Jenkins
>I can't say I've ever really understood the hatred of Abbie Carmichael/Angie
>Harmon, except that I can see how people could find her character overly
They have, mercifully, toned her down this season, so at least the
character is less abrasive this year.
As for the rest, one of the great texts on acting is called "Acting is
Believing"...and frankly I just don't "believe" Harmon. I read the
thread about this week's promo being "dreadful" before I saw it. When
I DID see, it, I agreed...and tried to figure out WHY I found it so.
And the reason is simple...Harmon is talking about something horrific,
something that should stir an emotional response...and not only did I
not feel anything, but I didn't believe SHE did, either. Technically,
the delivery was "sing-song", the pauses ill-timed and her face nearly
expressionless. I didn't believe for an instant that she'd seen the
things she was talking about.
Waterston can walk through the door, go to the window and turn his
back on the camera...and communicate how hurt and upset Jack is
without uttering a word. Hill can stand beside a hospital bed on a
set and make your heart break for Adam...Harmon walks and talks and
hits her marks, but brings no emotional truth, no depth to the
character.
>Kincaid is my favourite, but, like actors who criticize Carmichael/Harmon, I
>have a beef with Kincaid/Hennessy... I'm an ice dancer/figure skating coach,
>and Hennessy's posture (mostly when she's sitting) is TERRIBLE. My roommate
>(who is also an ice dancer) and I are always screaming at the TV, "Sit *up*!"
> :-)
LOL, I think Hennessy is a fine actor, but I have to agree with you on
this one. She also walked like a linebacker...but I believed her.
Consta
Patricia H.
Sean, you misunderstood my post, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I meant
that , imo, ANGIE has no chemistry with Sam or Steven. Sam and Steven could
share the same stage all day long as far as I'm concerned. They are a
pleasure to watch.
TVFan87656
>
>
>However, Carey Lowell as Jamie Ross was not well-received during her
>first L&O season. The actress and character came in for many of the
>same criticisms as Harmon and Carmichael have. Most memorable was the
>speculation that Lowell had indulged in a cosmetic procedure that had
>fused her facial muscles, resulting in limited expression.
It was still here when I arrived, summer of '98. I suspect the remaining
criticism ended when viewers got their first look at Angie Harmon. The "she
isn't so bad compared to..." state of mind, which I used to almost tolerate
Ballard in Homicide's last season ("Ballard isn't bad when compared to
Sheppard.").
>
>Where's my list? OK, here goes:
>
>1) Hennessey/Kincaid
>2) Brooks/Robinette
>3) Harmon/Carmichael
>4) Lowell/Ross
Mine:
1) Hennessy/Kincaid
2) Lowell/Ross
3) Harmon/Carmichael
4) Brooks/Robinette
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TVFan87656 <tvfan...@aol.com> wrote:
>It was still here when I arrived, summer of '98. I suspect the remaining
>criticism ended when viewers got their first look at Angie Harmon. The "she
>isn't so bad compared to..." state of mind, which I used to almost tolerate
>Ballard in Homicide's last season ("Ballard isn't bad when compared to
>Sheppard.").
In what way was Ballard better than Sheppard? At least Sheppard appeared to be
some kind of a (bad) cop. Ballard simply didn't act like a cop; Naomi looked
more cop-like than she did.
Greg and Kimberleigh Taylor
KLT
Cryercat
>Sheppard.").
I liked Ballard. All the Homicide women (with the exception of Russert because
I have never seen her) were cool. Ballard and Howard were the best.
Katy
Cryercat
>be
>some kind of a (bad) cop. Ballard simply didn't act like a cop; Naomi looked
>more cop-like than she did.
They both good, but Ballard was around longer, and everyone got used to her.
Who the hell is Naomi?
Katy
TVFan87656
>
>In what way was Ballard better than Sheppard?
Callie Thorne was almost tolerable when partnered with Gharty, and kept away
from Falsone. Sheppard was atrocious, in every single scene she had. Sheppard
also caused Lewis to have some *really* crappy writing, and as a fan of the
Lewis character from my first days of Homicide fandom, I find that very hard to
forget.
>At least Sheppard appeared to be
>some kind of a (bad) cop. Ballard simply didn't act like a cop; Naomi looked
>more cop-like than she did.
In this case, looks don't help. I watched a few moments of Michael Michelle on
ER. I didn't see a doctor, I saw an actress pretending to be a doctor. She did
the same on Homicide, an actress pretending to be a cop.
Emad ismail
attitude, its like nothing makes her happy. but I can never stop
watching my favorite show I LOVE SAM WATERSON
Cryercat
>from Falsone.
Gharty and Ballard had good chemistry. I thought she was cute with Falsone.
Michele isn't that bad on ER, but I'll have to go with TV Guides "with the
addition of bland Michael Michele".
Katy
Luna Vudu
>They both good, but Ballard was around longer, and everyone got used to her.
>Who the hell is Naomi?
The unit secretary. A very minor recurring character, but nonetheless a nice
touch.
clearingly, luna
* "So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure/How
amazingly unlikely is your birth,/And pray that there's intelligent
life somewhere out in space/'Cause there's bugger-all down here on
Earth."
--
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, exhibit number one is what the seraphs, the
misinformed, simple, noble-winged seraphs, envied. Look at this tangle of
thorns."
Cryercat
>have found her to be very nice, funny, sweet, gracious, and very
>accommodating to the fans of the show.
You see, I was a Callie Thorne fan so I felt obligated to defend Ballard. Now I
will shut up.
Still mad about DW's departure,
Katy
al...@min.net.notspam
>In this case, looks don't help. I watched a few moments of Michael
>Michelle on ER. I didn't see a doctor, I saw an actress pretending to be
>a doctor. She did the same on Homicide, an actress pretending to be a
>cop.
At least she didn't get beat down on ER.
Alan
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Luna Vudu
>>In this case, looks don't help. I watched a few moments of Michael
>>Michelle on ER. I didn't see a doctor, I saw an actress pretending to be
>>a doctor. She did the same on Homicide, an actress pretending to be a
>>cop.
>
>At least she didn't get beat down on ER.
And get her syringe took?
shudderingly, luna
* "Red sauce has been taken over by the Protestants."
Cryercat
She's better on ER than on Homicide. The worst is her public service
announcement. How many times can one person blink?
Katy
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>
> Katy wrote:
>
> <<Ballard was around longer, and everyone got used to her. Who the hell
> is Naomi?>>
>
> the nasal voice and the world-weary, flat line delivery. She is most
> notable for her famous line to FrankenTim: "You poor schmucks!" and for
> being Barry Levinson's sister in real life.
Never picked her up on my radar.
One character on L&O I always liked was the woman cop who is occasionally
relieved on stakeout by the main cops. The scene I remember most was the
one where she's taking bets on what restaurant the surveillance targets were
going to. Also involved in tailing Howard Beagle.
Joe Martinez
<patric...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <Uzc54.3073$bW4....@news2.randori.com>,
> "AVATAR" <mur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I used to watch law and order religiously. But ever since Angie Harmon
>> joined the cast, It seems her
>> character has a personal vendetta against everybody and anybody. I think
>> Jill Hennessy was far better.
>> Any thoughts ?
I dig her.
>>
>
>My thoughts are that Carey Lowell and Jill Hennessy are better actors than
>Angie has any hope of being, and I doubt either of those two will be giving
>award acceptance speeches in the near future. Harmon's abilities are
>non-existant and the lack of chemistry with Steven and Sam is glaring. As
>for the character of Carmichael , she has no redeeming qualities and the
>sooner they write her into another dimension or time slot , the better,
>imnsho. Those are my thoughts , be they popular or not!
Diva
> On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:10:46 GMT, Patricia H.
> <patric...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <Uzc54.3073$bW4....@news2.randori.com>,
> > "AVATAR" <mur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I used to watch law and order religiously. But ever since Angie Harmon
> >> joined the cast, It seems her
> >> character has a personal vendetta against everybody and anybody. I think
> >> Jill Hennessy was far better.
> >> Any thoughts ?
Abbie is a stunning woman. I look at her and wait hopefully for "Claire
like" words to flow. But she is stilted and wooden. She could improve
with acting lessons. It is an extra burden to be beautiful. Others have
high expectations that your beauty will be matched by wit, candor,
intelligence and good timing.
--
Diva
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David
It's a burden to be beautiful? Huh? Without her looks, where do you
think Angie would be right now? You don't think David Hasselhoff
plucked her off a plane because he was impressed by her wit,
intelligence or candor, do you?
Game 6 E3
>plucked her off a plane because he was impressed by her wit,
>intelligence or candor, do you?
Well, this IS David Hasselhoff we're talking about here.