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David / Amicus
Jun 29, 2009, 2:59:49 AM6/29/09
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I thought I heard Goren say that charismatics were boys in ancient Rome
who had been castrated.
who had been castrated.
Huh?
Charismatics are those xians who speak / babel in unknown tongues like
the holy rollers. !@#$%^&*()_+
David Johnston
Jun 29, 2009, 12:47:43 PM6/29/09
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:59:49 -0700, Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus)
wrote:
wrote:
>I thought I heard Goren say that charismatics were boys in ancient Rome
>who had been castrated.
>
>Huh?
You probably didn't. Castrati were boys in Rome who had been
castrated.
David / Amicus
Jun 29, 2009, 1:23:04 PM6/29/09
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<<You probably didn't. Castrati were boys in Rome who had been
castrated.>>
castrated.>>
Though eunuchs were common in many cultures - Byzantium, Ottomans,
Imperial China etc. - I thought the "castrati" came about in the Baroque
era as church / choir singers.
I thought Goren said "ancient" Rome and he didn't mention singing.
In ancient Rome there were the "galli" the priests of Magna Mater the
Great Mother.
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Martin Edwards
Jun 30, 2009, 3:02:24 AM6/30/09
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Lane wrote:
> David Johnston wrote:
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>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:59:49 -0700, Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus)
>> wrote:
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>>> I thought I heard Goren say that charismatics were boys in ancient Rome
>>> who had been castrated.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>> You probably didn't.
>
> No, Goren definitely said "charismatics". I thought it odd as well.
>
Actually he makes quite a few boobs. Remember that Goren is a
character. He is written by a writer and played by an actor. In one ep
he thought that a conman spoke with traces of cockney and Welsh accents.
Cockney comes from a small area of east London, and even many Englsih
people are confused about what it is and isn't. Anyway the character
spoke with an upper class accent which is not geographical. The writers
often show surprising erudition, but they do screw up sometimes.
> David Johnston wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:59:49 -0700, Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought I heard Goren say that charismatics were boys in ancient Rome
>>> who had been castrated.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>> You probably didn't.
>
>
Actually he makes quite a few boobs. Remember that Goren is a
character. He is written by a writer and played by an actor. In one ep
he thought that a conman spoke with traces of cockney and Welsh accents.
Cockney comes from a small area of east London, and even many Englsih
people are confused about what it is and isn't. Anyway the character
spoke with an upper class accent which is not geographical. The writers
often show surprising erudition, but they do screw up sometimes.
Phil E
Jul 17, 2009, 3:54:08 AM7/17/09
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I thought "Charismatics" was wrongly used there. I just read about
castrati. How sick is that?!
Martin Edwards
Jul 18, 2009, 2:12:40 AM7/18/09
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Very, but the guys involved do not, on the whole, seem to have been
unhappy. It got them a career, after all.
David / Amicus
Jul 18, 2009, 8:28:55 PM7/18/09
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<<I thought "Charismatics" was wrongly used there. I just read about
castrati. How sick is that?!">>
castrati. How sick is that?!">>
An interesting novel is "The Persian Boy" about Bagoas the favorite
eunuch of Alexander the Great.
coopcit...@gmail.com
Apr 15, 2013, 11:46:13 AM4/15/13
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But he didn't screw up here . Although the reference is rarely encountered , the arabs used to castrate boys to sell to the romans and they indeed called them charismatics .
theget
Apr 15, 2013, 6:39:19 PM4/15/13
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On Apr 15, 11:46 am, coopcitytow...@gmail.com wrote:
> But he didn't screw up here . Although the reference is rarely encountered , the arabs used to castrate boys to sell to the romans and they indeed called them charismatics .
I'm sure it's a rare reference. Where can I encounter it?
> But he didn't screw up here . Although the reference is rarely encountered , the arabs used to castrate boys to sell to the romans and they indeed called them charismatics .
Martin Edwards
Apr 16, 2013, 2:34:13 AM4/16/13
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educated Romans understood Greek, Arabs of the time could hardly have
done so.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
theget
Apr 16, 2013, 4:53:53 PM4/16/13
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On Apr 16, 2:34 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 15/04/2013 23:39, theget wrote:> On Apr 15, 11:46 am, coopcitytow...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> But he didn't screw up here . Although the reference is rarely encountered , the arabs used to castrate boys to sell to the romans and they indeed called them charismatics .
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> > I'm sure it's a rare reference. Where can I encounter it?
>
> Does he mean the Arabs or the Romans? The root is Greek and, while
> educated Romans understood Greek, Arabs of the time could hardly have
> done so.
Which time? Why not? Wouldn't Greek have been a language of somewhat
> On 15/04/2013 23:39, theget wrote:> On Apr 15, 11:46 am, coopcitytow...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> But he didn't screw up here . Although the reference is rarely encountered , the arabs used to castrate boys to sell to the romans and they indeed called them charismatics .
>
> > I'm sure it's a rare reference. Where can I encounter it?
>
> Does he mean the Arabs or the Romans? The root is Greek and, while
> educated Romans understood Greek, Arabs of the time could hardly have
> done so.
common usage in the ancient Arab world. After all, the Greeks
occupied some of the Middle East It stands to reason that many Arabs
would have spoken Greek.
Martin Edwards
Apr 17, 2013, 10:49:31 AM4/17/13
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theget
Apr 17, 2013, 4:42:20 PM4/17/13
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On Apr 17, 10:49 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16/04/2013 21:53, theget wrote:
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> > On Apr 16, 2:34 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 15/04/2013 23:39, theget wrote:> On Apr 15, 11:46 am, coopcitytow...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> But he didn't screw up here . Although the reference is rarely encountered , the arabs used to castrate boys to sell to the romans and they indeed called them charismatics .
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> >>> I'm sure it's a rare reference. Where can I encounter it?
>
> >> Does he mean the Arabs or the Romans? The root is Greek and, while
> >> educated Romans understood Greek, Arabs of the time could hardly have
> >> done so.
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> > Which time? Why not? Wouldn't Greek have been a language of somewhat
> > common usage in the ancient Arab world. After all, the Greeks
> > occupied some of the Middle East It stands to reason that many Arabs
> > would have spoken Greek.
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> Arabs at the time were mainly bedouin.
They would have had some trade though. How did they communicate when
> On 16/04/2013 21:53, theget wrote:
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> > On Apr 16, 2:34 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 15/04/2013 23:39, theget wrote:> On Apr 15, 11:46 am, coopcitytow...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> But he didn't screw up here . Although the reference is rarely encountered , the arabs used to castrate boys to sell to the romans and they indeed called them charismatics .
>
> >>> I'm sure it's a rare reference. Where can I encounter it?
>
> >> Does he mean the Arabs or the Romans? The root is Greek and, while
> >> educated Romans understood Greek, Arabs of the time could hardly have
> >> done so.
>
> > Which time? Why not? Wouldn't Greek have been a language of somewhat
> > common usage in the ancient Arab world. After all, the Greeks
> > occupied some of the Middle East It stands to reason that many Arabs
> > would have spoken Greek.
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> Arabs at the time were mainly bedouin.
they were in town?
Martin Edwards
Apr 18, 2013, 4:10:10 AM4/18/13
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dsla...@gmail.com
Feb 16, 2017, 7:13:46 PM2/16/17
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You did see Goren say that. Season 8, Episode 11. "Lady's Man"
jack
Feb 17, 2017, 8:33:01 AM2/17/17
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Educated Arabs knew Greek. They translated the Ancient Greek philosophers to Arabic. In turn, hundreds of years later Europeans translated the Arabic to Latin and that is how Late medieval Europe got Plato and the gang.
David Amicus
Feb 20, 2017, 3:14:39 PM2/20/17
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This is strange. My server says I started this thread. I didn't.
David Johnston
Feb 20, 2017, 3:35:53 PM2/20/17
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On 2/20/2017 1:14 PM, David Amicus wrote:
> This is strange. My server says I started this thread. I didn't.
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Yes you did. You started it with a question about some bullshit Goren
> This is strange. My server says I started this thread. I didn't.
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was talking that seemed to confuse Charismatics with Castrasti. That
was a long time ago though.
David Amicus
Feb 20, 2017, 4:01:32 PM2/20/17
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jack
Feb 20, 2017, 6:11:24 PM2/20/17
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June 2009. It died, was resurrected in 2013, died a second time, then zombies forth once more a couple of days ago.
David Amicus
Feb 20, 2017, 8:17:03 PM2/20/17
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On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 3:11:24 PM UTC-8, jack wrote:
> June 2009. It died, was resurrected in 2013, died a second time, then zombies forth once more a couple of days ago.
Thanks!
> June 2009. It died, was resurrected in 2013, died a second time, then zombies forth once more a couple of days ago.
Martin Edwards
Feb 21, 2017, 2:44:46 AM2/21/17
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better researched, except for the fallacies about UK accents, but these
are universal in America, and pretty common in the UK itself.
bonh...@gmail.com
Dec 20, 2017, 2:06:44 PM12/20/17
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Too funny, it's 2017 and I'm watching this episode. I went to look it up too. Charismatics is just another name for eunuchs. The rulers did this because the eunuchs were in charge of looking over and caring for the king's cuncubines. They didn't want the guys getting ideas. The king's had it wrong....it's not always about sex.
Martin Edwards
Dec 21, 2017, 2:52:30 AM12/21/17
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On 12/20/2017 7:06 PM, bonh...@gmail.com wrote:
> Too funny, it's 2017 and I'm watching this episode. I went to look it up too. Charismatics is just another name for eunuchs. The rulers did this because the eunuchs were in charge of looking over and caring for the king's cuncubines. They didn't want the guys getting ideas. The king's had it wrong....it's not always about sex.
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A Byzantine eunuch called Narses took over as a general at one point and
> Too funny, it's 2017 and I'm watching this episode. I went to look it up too. Charismatics is just another name for eunuchs. The rulers did this because the eunuchs were in charge of looking over and caring for the king's cuncubines. They didn't want the guys getting ideas. The king's had it wrong....it's not always about sex.
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ran a successful campaign. He was in his eighties.
David Amicus
Dec 21, 2017, 12:03:02 PM12/21/17
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Here's a good book where Narses is mentioned. I've not read it for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Belisarius
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