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jeffb...@hotmail.com

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Dec 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/20/98
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The characters seem to come and go from Law & Order. I'm curious about how
Ben Stone and Claire (last name?) were written out of the show. Can anyone
tell me if they were just gone one day, or if they actually had 'farewell
shows'? I've seen Mike Logan's last episode (when he hit the politician). I
think I heard Jack McCoy mention that Claire had an accident or something,
but that's about all I know about it. Thanks! Jeff

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ThekingoTV

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Dec 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/20/98
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Ben walked out at the end of a particularly horrifying day, and Claire was
blindsided by another car. It has never been said wether or not she died, but
the accident was so severe that she was definitley hospitalized for a long
period of time, which forced her to resign.
From the King of TV
"Who is the King?"-The King

Tracey

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Dec 20, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/20/98
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Thanks!

I have to say it was really nice for some one to just answer this question
without flaming the person because they missed a post (or have never been here
before). Especially in light of recent posts. It's nice to see things are
settling down again.

Tracey

ThekingoTV

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Dec 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/21/98
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>I have to say it was really nice for some one to just answer this question
>without flaming the person because they missed a post (or have never been
>here
>before).

Wow, I haven't been called nice in a long time.
Please pass this info onto the other newsgroups I visit. :)

The News Guy(Mike)

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Dec 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/21/98
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Tracey wrote:

> Thanks!


>
> I have to say it was really nice for some one to just answer this question
> without flaming the person because they missed a post (or have never been here

> before). Especially in light of recent posts. It's nice to see things are
> settling down again.
>
> Tracey
>
> ThekingoTV wrote:
>
> > Ben walked out at the end of a particularly horrifying day, and Claire was
> > blindsided by another car. It has never been said wether or not she died, but
> > the accident was so severe that she was definitley hospitalized for a long
> > period of time, which forced her to resign.

> > From the King of TV
> > "Who is the King?"-The King

OK, so as not to disappoint you or cause some anomaly on Usenet - lets at least
flame The King, (not you), for his IDIOTIC SIMPLISTIC answers!!!!!

1. It was a little more than a *horrifying day* - Stone spent many of those. He
quit the DA's office because of his own guilt. He intimidated a witness to testify
against her will and her testimony resulted in her being killed by *the mob*. That
was too much for him to accept so he resigned.

2. There was NO reference to Claire's being *hospitalized for a long time*. What
comic book have you been reading King-boy? It is clear to any intelligent viewer
that Claire died in the accident. And if she had not been preoccupied by the
execution, her affair with McCoy, and her relationship with her step-father, she
may have seen it coming!

Tracey, - I hope that helps you accept news:alt.tv.law-and-order as an
irresponsible flame ridden newsgroup and not some intellectual backwater of
politeness and sanity. :-)

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BTW Canada sucks too - how's that?>
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Tracey

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Dec 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/21/98
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Unfortunately, you flame very well.

sigh

Merry Christmas :)

Tracey

FN...@webtv.net

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Dec 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/21/98
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Claire was KILLED ... I'm not sure how that fact slipped by any regular
viewer of the show ... considering the related innuendo in subsequent
scripts, and the obvious effects of the incident on McCoy who shared a
romance with her.

**See "Aftershock" ... the final episode of the '96 season ... it's the
one that starts everyone off poised to witness an execution they all
played a role in making a reality. Everyone does a superb job behaving
way out of character, so it's worth sifting through the A&E re-runs to
seek it out. We even meet Claire's law professor Dad for the first (and
last) time too, (... IF you were paying attention that is)!

-------------------------

..And Ben walked away from his duties as ADA (at the end of the 4th
season) a prisoner of his own conscience - dissolutioned by a system he
thought supported his rigidly ethical standards.

Fact is, Moriarty asked for a LOT more money to continue, and the
network provided him a humble exit from the show as their answer. ~I
have to admit though, the closing scene between Stone and Schiff was
very moving, but the name of the episode escapes me at the moment ...


JimL

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Dec 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/21/98
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ThekingoTV wrote:
>
> Ben walked out at the end of a particularly horrifying day, and Claire was
> blindsided by another car. It has never been said wether or not she died, but
> the accident was so severe that she was definitley hospitalized for a long
> period of time, which forced her to resign.
> From the King of TV
> "Who is the King?"-The King


Jim says:

Presumably, since they are all interchangeable cogs in a giant
government machine, we are not to be concerned about "what happened to
them." If you want that touchy feely personal angle, watch some other
cop show.

Jim

Debbie

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Dec 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/21/98
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JimL wrote in message <367EDC...@pacbell.net>...

>Presumably, since they are all interchangeable cogs in a giant
>government machine, we are not to be concerned about "what happened to
>them." If you want that touchy feely personal angle, watch some other
>cop show.
>
>Jim

Merry Christmas to you, too, Scrooge...

Debbie

Tracey

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Dec 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/21/98
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I guess this shows who the pessimists and the optimists are... hmmm?

Tracey

Brian Barjenbruch wrote:

> >I was under the impression that the accident left Claire in a coma....
>
> No, Claire is dead.
>
> --
> "Its origin and purpose...still a total mystery."
> - Dr. Heywood Floyd, "2001: A Space Odyssey"


BrandyKitt

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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In article <17559-36...@newsd-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, FN...@webtv.net
writes:

>Fact is, Moriarty asked for a LOT more money to continue, and the
>network provided him a humble exit from the show as their answer. ~I
>have to admit though, the closing scene between Stone and Schiff was
>very moving, but the name of the episode escapes me at the moment ...

Also, wasn't Moriarty's mental health rather unstable at that time?

Evelyn Duncan
Brand...@aol.com
This account protected by an attack cat.

Chris Crandall

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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FN...@webtv.net wrote:
: Claire was KILLED ... I'm not sure how that fact slipped by any regular

: viewer of the show ... considering the related innuendo in subsequent
: scripts, and the obvious effects of the incident on McCoy who shared a
: romance with her.

Innuendo, my ass, so to speak.

Claire was . . . . well, we really don't know for sure. It looked bad, of
course, pretty dang bad. It's just that no one has ever said.

(Yes, there were plenty of mixed messages from TV Guide, but if you
believe Rupert Murdoch's publications, then I suggest a trip to London to
see some of the other stuff he prints . . .).

: **See "Aftershock" ... We even meet Claire's law professor Dad

Step-dad.

Chris Crandall

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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BrandyKitt (brand...@aol.com) wrote:

: Also, wasn't Moriarty's mental health rather unstable at that time?

At any time, I should say.

ThekingoTV

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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>: Claire was KILLED ... I'm not sure how that fact slipped by any regular
>: viewer of the show ... considering the related innuendo in subsequent
>: scripts, and the obvious effects of the incident on McCoy who shared a
>: romance with her.

If you can show me any concrete evidence that Claire is dead, I will mail you
$100.
Concrete, NOT inuendo

Dorothy567

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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>Ben walked out at the end of a particularly horrifying day, and Claire was
>blindsided by another car. It has never been said wether or not she died, but
>the accident was so severe that she was definitley hospitalized for a long
>period of time, which forced her to resign.
>From the King of TV
>"Who is the King?"-The King
>
>

I was under the impression that the accident left Claire in a coma....

Dorothy

Christopher Low

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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Claire was hit by a car while driving Lenny home. Apparently she is in a
coma

jeffb...@hotmail.com wrote:
: The characters seem to come and go from Law & Order. I'm curious about how

rog...@webtv.net

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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Ban Stone left the DA's office when a reluctant witness he strong armed
into testifying was killed on her way to protective custody. Claire
Kincaid was involved in a serious accident after picking up a drunken
Detective Briscoe at a bar in the final episode three seasons ago.
Hope this helps.
Rogue-2


ThekingoTV

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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>>I was under the impression that the accident left Claire in a coma....
>
>No, Claire is dead.
>

There has never been any evidence in ANY episode that proves either of these
things.
Claire's fate has been intentionally left ambiguous.

Light Colonel Meepzorp-Bazza, SAIC of Goofballs

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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In article <19981221225257...@ng-fq1.aol.com>,
dorot...@aol.com (Dorothy567) wrote:

> >Ben walked out at the end of a particularly horrifying day, and Claire was
> >blindsided by another car. It has never been said wether or not she died, but
> >the accident was so severe that she was definitley hospitalized for a long
> >period of time, which forced her to resign.

> >From the King of TV
> >"Who is the King?"-The King
> >
> >
>

> I was under the impression that the accident left Claire in a coma....
>

> Dorothy

She's dead, Jim.

Ed

William December Starr

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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In article <17559-36...@newsd-211.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
FN...@webtv.net said:

> Claire was KILLED ... I'm not sure how that fact slipped by any
> regular viewer of the show ... considering the related innuendo in
> subsequent scripts, and the obvious effects of the incident on McCoy
> who shared a romance with her.

All that's just your interpretation of things, bub. SHOUT it as fact
and you just make an ass of yourself.

Unless, of course, you were just trolling, in which case you've
already achieved asshood anyway.

-- William December Starr <wds...@crl.com>, who's having trouble
dealing with the fact that "asshood" got past his spellchecker...

missp...@webtv.net

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Dec 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/22/98
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claire was killed in an auto accident while driving home a drunk jerry
orbach..it was the same day she hadwitnessed a death penalty being
executed


Kevin Alexander James Nugent

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Dec 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/23/98
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On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, The News Guy(Mike) wrote:
> that Claire died in the accident. And if she had not been preoccupied by the
> execution, her affair with McCoy,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Huh? Did I miss something? I don't recall Claire having an affair with
Jack!

--
Kevin Nugent
aa...@chebucto.ns.ca

ThekingoTV

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Dec 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/23/98
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>claire was killed in an auto accident

AHHHHHHHHHHH!

mungo

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Dec 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/23/98
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IMO Lennie wasn't too drunk to do something if she wasn't dead, although we
never saw him check for a pulse. The kind of accident that had taken place
was called a t-bone and the biggest risk of that is a sheared aorta which
causes a pretty quick death. But I agree that it was left wide open in case
she came back.

mungo


Brian Barjenbruch wrote in message ...


>>If you can show me any concrete evidence that Claire is dead, I will mail
you
>>$100.
>

>Why not you show us concrete evidence that she *isn't* dead? You can't,
>can you? I thought not.

Kelly

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Dec 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/23/98
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--
Kelly

Jerry Orbach isn't going to be too pleased with your answer... <grin>
She was, however, driving a drunken Lennie Briscoe home...

The News Guy(Mike)

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Dec 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/23/98
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Kevin Alexander James Nugent wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, The News Guy(Mike) wrote:
> > that Claire died in the accident. And if she had not been preoccupied by the
> > execution, her affair with McCoy,

> ...


> Huh? Did I miss something? I don't recall Claire having an affair with
> Jack!

Yes you did. You have to watch the subtitles very closely. The affair was implied
in many *looks, phrases, etc..* And in The Aftermath Claire was surreptitiously
phoning Jack to meet him in the bar.
That is what makes this show so interesting, the intelligent way they discuss
issues, make offhanded comments about suspects, etc... They do not have to hit the
audience over the head with blunt instruments to make their points.

Frank and Earnest

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Dec 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/23/98
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In last night's episode on A&E, McCoy's first ep(?), there are hints of
things to come between Claire and him. They discuss his past affairs with
his other second chairs and he feels comfortable enough around her to
change clothes with her in the office.

MrCairo

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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theki...@aol.com (ThekingoTV) made an offer I couldn't refuse:

> If you can show me any concrete
> evidence that Claire is dead, I will mail
> you $100.

I don't have any concrete evidence, but I believe she is dead. Can you
send $50? <g>

Regards,

MrC


ThekingoTV

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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>I don't have any concrete evidence, but I believe she is dead. Can you
>send $50? <g>
>
>Regards,
>
>MrC
>

Tell you what...shut the hell up, and I send you a grand.

Ms Mog

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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<< I don't have any concrete evidence, but I believe she is dead. Can you
send $50? >>

That's what I like-- a guy who is willing to compromise! LOL Mr. Cairo...

MrCairo

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Dec 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/24/98
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theki...@aol.com (ThekingoTV) said:

> Tell you what...shut the hell up, and I
> send you a grand.

It'll take more than a grand for that. HAND.

Regards,

MrC


Rod Young

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Dec 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/30/98
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Claire died at rhe end of season after a car accident
and didn't Ben resign after a witness he forced to testify got hit by the
mob?
Tracey wrote:

> I guess this shows who the pessimists and the optimists are... hmmm?
>
> Tracey
>
> Brian Barjenbruch wrote:
>

> > >I was under the impression that the accident left Claire in a coma....
> >

> > No, Claire is dead.

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