Real Kung Fu
GongfuGuy
I was just wondering how many of y'all have seen real kung fu. I like the show
but Carradine is an insult to all kung fu practitioners and all "Chinamen".
John Chang
Chi Shing Tang Lang, Wing Chun Kuen
Gonf...@AOL.COM
"With Bruce as My Shepherd, and Jackie to Show me the Way"
Jbhubble
Thanks for message but to me the kung fu wasn't the important part of the show,
the important bit was the outlook on life. I never did like the way they all
pretended that DC looked chinese. What do the others think? Or have you had
this discussion before? Great to see a fan of Jackie's here. First Strike just
opened in the UK, but that's off topic, sorry.....
Julia
Hillery
GongfuGuy <gong...@aol.com>
> I was just wondering how many of y'all have seen real kung fu. I like
the show
> but Carradine is an insult to all kung fu practitioners and all
"Chinamen".
> John Chang
> Chi Shing Tang Lang, Wing Chun Kuen
> Gonf...@AOL.COM
> "With Bruce as My Shepherd, and Jackie to Show me the Way"
>
Well, David Carridine might not have been a Kung Fu martial arts expert,
but Caine held the true essence of Kung Fu in his heart. I'm just wondering
if you have ever seen THAT kind of Kung Fu??
Hao xiang mei-you!
Radames Pera
GongfuGuy wrote:
> I was just wondering how many of y'all have seen real kung fu. I like the show
> but Carradine is an insult to all kung fu practitioners and all "Chinamen".
> John Chang
> Chi Shing Tang Lang, Wing Chun Kuen
> Gonf...@AOL.COM
> "With Bruce as My Shepherd, and Jackie to Show me the Way"
With all due respect to those here who sorta worship DC, I would have to agree
with Mr. Chang... except that part about "all 'Chinamen'" I'm sure there exist
actual "Chinamen" who would be an insult to DC.
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Radames Pera
GongfuGuy wrote:
> I was just wondering how many of y'all have seen real kung fu. I like the show
> but Carradine is an insult to all kung fu practitioners and all "Chinamen".
> John Chang
> Chi Shing Tang Lang, Wing Chun Kuen
> Gonf...@AOL.COM
> "With Bruce as My Shepherd, and Jackie to Show me the Way"
Bruce is inspiration, find your own Way.
GongfuGuy
>
>Thanks for message but to me the kung fu wasn't the important part of the
>show,
> the important bit was the outlook on life. I never did like the way they
>all
> pretended that DC looked chinese. What do the others think? Or have you had
> this discussion before? Great to see a fan of Jackie's here. First Strike
>just
> opened in the UK, but that's off topic, sorry.....
>Julia
It's just that the whole concept of the show was developed by Bruce Lee, and
they turned him down because he was Chinese. The whole concept of hiring a
caucasian to play a chinese person is insulting to all the fine chinese actors
in hollywood. Carradine just exemplifies a period of racism that has not quite
ended. Also, in real life carradine could not possibly be more unlike Caine.
BTW, Jackie is awesome, a demigod in the martial arts.
Glad to meet another fan
GongfuGuy
>
> With all due respect to those here who sorta worship DC, I would have to
>agree
>with Mr. Chang... except that part about "all 'Chinamen'" I'm sure there
>exist
>actual "Chinamen" who would be an insult to DC.
Point taken. Although given carradine's proclivities, I'd think you'd be hard
pressed to find them.
Ruth Hollands
GongfuGuy <gong...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971021081...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> >
> > With all due respect to those here who sorta worship DC, I would have
to
> >agree
> >with Mr. Chang... except that part about "all 'Chinamen'" I'm sure
there
> >exist
> >actual "Chinamen" who would be an insult to DC.
>
> Point taken. Although given carradine's proclivities, I'd think you'd be
hard
> pressed to find them.
>
What "MR" Carradine does or does not do in his private life, is
precisely that *Private*; and has nothing to do with the way he
portrayed Kwai Chang Caine. He portrayed the gentle, caring,
compassionate side of Kwai Chang Caine that we all know and
love. We are his followers....even if some disagree with *some*
of the things he has done away from this character. If you can
not differentiate between the character and the private man.....
and if you are only here to gripe about him not "looking" Chinese
(which has been covered), then why are you here at all? This *is*
aftereall a newsgroup for true fans of the shows Kung Fu and Kung
Fu the Legend Continues.
Furthermore, do you have a problem with your "shift" key? Whether
or not you like the man you could still use a capital for his name.
Would *you* like to be referred to as john chang?
Ruth in Ontario, Canada
(aka. David Carradine's best fan)
tsu...@videotron.ca
When oH when will you guys ever stop Blaming David Carradine for
being chosen to play Caine. What was he supposed to do say: "no thanks,
hire Bruce Lee!??"
David did a REMARKABLE job as Caine. He is an actor, not Bruce Lee. As
much as I admire Bruce, he was wrong for the part ,not because he was
Chinese but rather because he gave the wrong image of what Caine was
supposed to project which was a Peacefull Shaolin priest, wheras Bruce
portrayed Ultra Violent types in his bloody movies. Not his fault, those
were the times. Blame the executives at Warner for being racists if you
want or simply for playing it safe trying to get good ratings but FOR
ONCE AND FOR ALL, stop PISSING AND SHITTING on David Caradine for playing
Caine instead of Bruce Lee.
I personnally would have cast Bruce as a Shaolin Master in the Temple
scenes. But he wasn't half the actor David was, just as David knew very
little about Martial Arts. All the more credit to him for being so damn
believable in his role.
As for his personnal life/problems, it's just NONE OF OUR DAMN
BUSINESS!!! Why do you people expect him to be so much like Caine in real
life...he's a frigging actor, for God's sake ! can't you get that through
your thick skulls.
So get that 'chip' off your shoulders and pry out that bug out of your
asses and move on!!! KUNG FU TOS was and is STILL one of the greatest
Shows ever produced thanks to a great cast (including David), great
writers, great directors and a great crew!
PERIOD!!! (bunch of whining pissants)
Tsungen!
In article <19971021081...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
gong...@aol.com (GongfuGuy) wrote:
>
> >
> > With all due respect to those here who sorta worship DC, I would have to
> >agree
> >with Mr. Chang... except that part about "all 'Chinamen'" I'm sure there
> >exist
> >actual "Chinamen" who would be an insult to DC.
>
> Point taken. Although given carradine's proclivities, I'd think you'd be hard
> pressed to find them.
>
> John Chang
> Chi Shing Tang Lang, Wing Chun Kuen
> Gonf...@AOL.COM
> "With Bruce as My Shepherd, and Jackie to Show me the Way"
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Ruth Hollands
GongfuGuy <gong...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971021080...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> >
> >Thanks for message but to me the kung fu wasn't the important part of
the
> >show, the important bit was the outlook on life.
> >Julia
>
> It's just that the whole concept of the show was developed by Bruce Lee,
and
> they turned him down because he was Chinese. The whole concept of hiring
a
> caucasian to play a chinese person is insulting to all the fine chinese
actors
> in hollywood. Carradine just exemplifies a period of racism that has not
quite
> ended. Also, in real life carradine could not possibly be more unlike
Caine.
Here is the information that I have about the show, Kung Fu.
Jerry Thorpe: producer-director; Alex Beaton: associate
producer (and destined to become the in-fact producer);
Herman Miller: the writer, and later the story editor.....(who
adapted for television the original screenplay by Ed Spielman,
written six years earlier and left on the shelf in Fred Wientraub's
office for lack of interest); and David Chow: the Chinese historical
and martial arts advisor. No where does it say that Bruce Lee
had anything to do with the show, or the concept at all.....only
that he didn't get the part!
Later in the same chapter it reads: "There are two stories about
why Bruce Lee didn't get the part of Kwai Chang Caine. One:
that he was turned down because he was too short and too
Chinese; which is a way of saying he was ironically, a victim of
the same prejudice we would be dealing with as our theme in the
film. Two: that, for some reason I can't fathom, he was advised
by his people not to take the part."
The show that Bruce Lee did have something to do with developing
was "The Silent Flute", later to be called "Circle of Iron". Bruce
Lee had help with the story from two of his students, actor James
Colburn and writer Stirling Silliphant. The plan was that James
was to play the part of the Seeker and Bruce was to play all the
others. Stirling was to write the screenplay. However Bruce died
before they had the chance, and the screenplay sat on the shelf
in James Colburn's home for a long time afterward. By the time
the movie was made James Colburn was full of arthritis and he
couldn't do the part.
I hope this helps to settle some of this, once and for all. Whether
or not you liked David Carradine in the role of Kwai Chang Caine,
the fact remains that he did play the character.....and did a damned
good job of it. We all needed someone gentle, and caring....and he
filled the bill; I don't believe Bruce Lee could have portrayed KCC in
that manner.
tsungen
When, OH! when will people stop blaming David Carradine for being chosen
for the part of Caine. What was he supposed to do: say "no thanks, pick
Bruce Lee"???
As to him not being like Caine in real life...WHO CARES!!!
David is an actor, not a shaolin priest. When will you people EVER turn
the page on that subject, 25 YEARS LATER!!!
Blame the executives at Warner for being racists, or for looking for the
best way
to get good ratings, but praise them for choosing David Carradine
for he did a tremendous job AT THE TIME, when hew was called upon to
play Caine.
Do NOT forget that Bruce Lee, at that point, exemplified the exact
OPPOSITE of Caine with his ULTRA VIOLENT movies wheras Kunk Fu was
about The Peacefull Shaolin Philosophy.
And Why do you flat out dismiss the now known fact that ,even tho Bruce
Lee (whom I admire ,by the way) was NOT the only one to come up with
a similar concept for the show. He was at the right place at the wrong
time. Stop SHITTING and PISSING on David Carradine just because he
turned out to be as human as you and me.
He, his co-stars, the writers and directors of TOS did a remarkable
job even without Bruce Lee.
I personnally would have cast him as one of the Masters in the Temple
Scenes.
Just get that Chip off your shoulders and that bug out of your ass
and START APPRECIATING KUNG FU FOR THE GREAT SERIES IT ACTUALLY WAS
instead of trying to re-write history.
Thank You David Carradine for your REMARKABLE performance in the
Original Series. Your porsonnal problems are your own and NONE
of our business. I wish YOU WELL!!
Tsungen.
(so fed up with all your whining, bunch of piss-ants)
> >
> >Thanks for message but to me the kung fu wasn't the important part of the
> >show,
> > the important bit was the outlook on life. I never did like the way they
> >all
> > pretended that DC looked chinese. What do the others think? Or have you had
> > this discussion before? Great to see a fan of Jackie's here. First Strike
> >just
> > opened in the UK, but that's off topic, sorry.....
> >Julia
>
> It's just that the whole concept of the show was developed by Bruce Lee, and
> they turned him down because he was Chinese. The whole concept of hiring a
> caucasian to play a chinese person is insulting to all the fine chinese actors
> in hollywood. Carradine just exemplifies a period of racism that has not quite
> ended. Also, in real life carradine could not possibly be more unlike Caine.
>
> BTW, Jackie is awesome, a demigod in the martial arts.
>
> Glad to meet another fan
>
Susan Grebner
Fact is, Bruce Lee did not get the part. David Carradine did a
wonderful job playing the part of Caine and shaped that part into what
we know today. Had Bruce Lee gotten the part, the show wouldn't be the
show that it is (was). It would be something totally different because
Bruce Lee was a different type of actor. However, that's neither here
nor there. The show was made with David Carradine playing the part of
Caine, and I don't think any of us could have picked better. I agree
with Tsungen, thank you Mr. Carradine.
Ruth Hollands
GongfuGuy <gong...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971022142...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> >
> You are very naive if you think racism had no part in it. Read some of
the
> retrospective articles on the matter.
>
> >First of all, David was not hired to play the part of a Chinese person.
He
> >was hired to play a man that was HALF Chinese and half American.
>
> Yeah and he looks about as half chinese as Kareem Abdul Jabbar
> That was a cheap attempt at justifying his character.
Do you not realize that YOU have just made a racist remark yourself?
How would *you* know if a person was half one race and half another?
I once met a man who I mistook for a white man making a racist comment
about the Indians / Native North Americans (one of whom was my very best
friend until she passed away); as it turned out he was a full-blooded
Chippewa
Indian who was just making a silly remark toward someone he had grown up
with.
> >Secondly,
> >the show Kung Fu served "as a great source of employment for the Asian
> >acting community" (according to James Hong, president of the Association
of
> >Asian/Pacific American Artists). No one but you, apparently, has been
> >insulted.
>
> What are they supposed to say? They get to play second banana to a
caucasian
> pretending to be a chinese holy man. In a society that racist what can
they
> do? Right now, how many Chinese leading men or women are there in
hollywood?
If Brandon Lee hadn't died when he did HE would definitely, without a
doubt,
be a leading man. He was gorgeous, gracious, and didn't have a racist bone
in his body.....unlike you obviously. Lose the chip from your shoulder!!
You know I just checked: there are FIVE (5) Martial Arts newsgroups, and
THREE (3) Karate newsgroups, which I believe is what Bruce Lee and Jackie
Chan was/is into. If you don't like the Kung Fu show or the people
involved why
don't you go bitch at one of those newsgroups instead.....or maybe you did
and got your butt kicked out?!?
We have people here from all different backgrounds, but we've never had
anyone
moan about racism so much, who actually makes racist remarks themselves.
Whining doesn't change anything, it just annoys. But then, maybe that's
what
you want....to piss somebody off just enough to answer you in some way that
you can go screaming "Racist!" Well I have a suggestion, why don't you
hold
your breath while you wait for that to happen. Because of the shows Kung
Fu,
both the old and the new; and because of David Carradine (and other members
of the cast, regardless of the color of their skin) whether *you* like him
or not....
we here at alt.tv.kungfu are a family who care about each other and *most*
other
people without any knowledge of each other's race!
It's people like you (and I don't care if you are purple with orange polka
dots) who
come here with your Racist chip on your shoulder, just daring someone to
knock
it off, who make us lose our tempers. As I've said before, if you don't
like the shows
or the cast (both of which this newsgroup is about) then get the hell out.
We don't
want you or your kind (that being obnoxious) here anyway!
Ruth in Ontario, Canada
(aka. David Carradine's best fan)
"Only the most absolute sincerity under heaven can effect any
change."___Confucius
tsi...@usa.net
In article <19971021080...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
gong...@aol.com (GongfuGuy) wrote:
>
> >
> >Thanks for message but to me the kung fu wasn't the important part of the
> >show,
> > the important bit was the outlook on life. I never did like the way they
> >all
> > pretended that DC looked chinese. What do the others think? Or have you had
> > this discussion before? Great to see a fan of Jackie's here. First Strike
> >just
> > opened in the UK, but that's off topic, sorry.....
> >Julia
>
> It's just that the whole concept of the show was developed by Bruce Lee, and
> they turned him down because he was Chinese. The whole concept of hiring a
> caucasian to play a chinese person is insulting to all the fine chinese actors
> in hollywood. Carradine just exemplifies a period of racism that has not quite
> ended. Also, in real life carradine could not possibly be more unlike Caine.
>
> BTW, Jackie is awesome, a demigod in the martial arts.
>
> Glad to meet another fan
>
> John Chang
> Chi Shing Tang Lang, Wing Chun Kuen
> Gonf...@AOL.COM
> "With Bruce as My Shepherd, and Jackie to Show me the Way"
Caine is bi-racial. Being Bi-Racial means being of two races,NOT just
one,nobody has the right to shuffle those of us (I'm Cherokee/Caucasian)
who are "Whole of two Peoples" into one race catagory or the other just
to suit their liking.
As far as Carradine not being Caine,Oh Gee,no kidding.:) But neither am
I.:) Some guy in another post made a snide remark about people in this
group "worshipping" DC,(i'm assuming he means Carradine),well, I don't
worship him at all,I tried to read his book but stopped due to his
references to Native American men,stating that they were "savages,but
they make good family men" as well as other remarks, he is apparently
racist in my opinion,at least with regards to "Indians",so I'm not
defending that point at all,it really hurt my feelings too,he used to be
my fave actor but I won't be refered to as a "savage" by anyone.I'm
not,nor is any member of the Tribes,male or female. I wish he would
publicly apologize,if I understood his many remarks correctly. But i'm
not the only one offended by the book,I know several people that
interpreted it the same way. But this is a common insult by the insecure
everywhere unfortunately.
(*If I've somehow misinterpreted the racist sounding remarks in his
book,let me know,honestly,i'd love to be able to forget about it,but I
can't. :(
But I do like Caine and Carradines depiction of him anyway,the character
itself isn't a racist.
It's also kinda hypocritical to say that Caine should have been played
by a chinese guy and that a white guy playing him is "racist".Sorry,but
if you consider an all-white guy playing a bi-racial as being racist,then
so would an all-chinese guy playing a bi-racial be racist. If people
NEED that much realism in a t.v show then why not demand that only a
bi-racial chinese/white guy play the part,and if you want to go THAT deep
into t.v,then insist that only a Shaolin priest play the role,and so on
and so forth. Carradines played Indians too,if i'm correct,but I just
never thought too much about it,I figure he's an established actor,but if
he was hired over an Indian man to play the parts then it's the person
doing the hiring thats responsable for the racism,not Carradine
himself,he was the "employee".He didn't hire himself. I like Kung Fu and
Caine,everyone has their own reasons why they watch it,for me watching
how Caine intergrates his two cultures is my main reason,no other show
that I know of features a character thats bi-racial between two starkly
different cultures,something I can relate to.And even I have to admit
that Carradines a fine-looking man,good actor,I enjoy watching
him,admittedly I don't really see too many Chinese features
either,Carradine looks like he might have a little Native American blood
though,that would be interesting if he did and didn't know it.;)
Tsi s qua
a.k.a Breezes-has-bad-server:)
tsungen
Earth and Sky wrote:
>
> GongfuGuy wrote:
> >
> <a lot of junk then>
> >
> > BTW, Jackie is awesome, a demigod in the martial arts.
> >
> comedian? Especially in China? I guess demigods get to act the fool
> more than regular gods.
*********************************************************************
Jackie Chan is one of the most endearing people I have ever 'met'!
I saw this great interview on TV where they made a synopsis of his
career before he 'invaded' the American TV screens. He has guts,
you must admit. Doing all his stunts himself!
He turned his character into more of a comedian because people thought
(here we go again) he wasn't as good as Bruce Lee.
He never said otherwise!!...One day, he played a scene jokingly,
looking rather inept...and got a tremendous response from the crew
and later from the public at large! and the rest is history as they
say.
Nobody thus far is as good as Bruce Lee, he knew that!
He does not wish to emulate Kwai Chang Caine, there can be only one!
He rather chose to 'play himself' with the exuberance of a child
and an uncanny Mastery of Martial Arts!
I greatly admire him and wish he would kick Segall and Van Damm's (three
letter word)(bleep) (see, I can censore myself)
Three cheers for Jackie Chan!!!
Tsungen.
Earth and Sky
Brian Scott
I think he has firmly established his own brand of comedy kung fu which
many obviously (including myself) love. As for him being a demigod in
the martial arts, I suspect that is not the case. :-) GongfuGuy should
read the alt.asian-movies newsgroup. Not only do they trash DC, the
really stick it to Jackie too. Many there say they are Jackie fans yet
you wouldn't think so seeing how critical they are of his movies and his
martial arts skills. The general consensus there is that Jackie is not
a martial artist, but a movie action hero who happens to use some
martial arts. The king of the "martial arts" films happens to be Jet Li
I think. As I understand it he has seriously and formally trained in
shaolin kung fu, and I've been told it's quite obvious he has when
watching his films.
--
Brian Scott, M.Sc. | Department of Physiology
bri...@interlog.com | University of Toronto, Canada
=====================================================
http://www.interlog.com/~brians/kungfu/kungfu.html
Mary Sue Haliburton
(tsi...@usa.net) writes:
> Caine is bi-racial. Being Bi-Racial means being of two races,NOT just
> one,nobody has the right to shuffle those of us (I'm Cherokee/Caucasian)
> who are "Whole of two Peoples" into one race catagory or the other just
> to suit their liking.
Good point. I find it interesting to study the faces of bi-racial
and multi-racial people. Some get the best of both races, and are
very handsome (e.g. Dean Cain, who is part Japanese). Others may
not be pretty, but they are intriguing. This isn't intended to be
insulting, BTW. I have no problem with mixing races, and think
it may even be healthier to cross lines. The more variety, the
better.
Curiously, although I now know that Carradine is not part Chinese,
he made himself look a bit that way, helped by the brown eyes. I
recall asking the correspondent who introduced me to KFtlc whether
he might have a mixed background like the character he was
playing and was surprised to hear that he didn't (as far as we
know, that is). I think he achieves sort of an "aura shift" to get
that look. If you have seen the episode "Gunfighters", check the
scene where KCC#1 is lying on the bed in the "future", talking to
Peter. I've been told I made myself look a bit chinese when I
quoted the expression meaning happy new year in cantonese (for
which I am told I get the intonation right). And I have blue-grey
eyes. But I felt chinese when I said it, and maybe got a bit of
that aura shift too.
> racist in my opinion,at least with regards to "Indians",so I'm not
> defending that point at all,it really hurt my feelings too,he used to be
> my fave actor but I won't be refered to as a "savage" by anyone.I'm
> not,nor is any member of the Tribes,male or female. I wish he would
> publicly apologize,if I understood his many remarks correctly. But i'm
> not the only one offended by the book,I know several people that
> interpreted it the same way. But this is a common insult by the insecure
> everywhere unfortunately.
I will have to read that again, to see if it reads as an
intentional insult. (When I find the book, which got packed with
the rest of my stuff when I moved.) Sometimes people use
expressions thoughtlessly without considering the effect the words
will have in cold print as opposed to a joshing remark in person.
I've had fights by email (flame wars actually) with a person who
claimed that a personal slight-- aimed at me on a mailing list I have
since quit--was humour. However, this same man refuses to
use smileys to indicate he is joking. Tone-of-voice clues being
absent in the recent incident I am thinking of, the remark read as an
insult, not a joke.
Out of time, Sorry, cannot comment on this as well as it deserves
in this email session. HOpefully, more later.
MSH in Canada
>
> a.k.a Breezes-has-bad-server:)
>
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--
"Ring the bells that still can ring; forget your perfect offering.
There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
(from "Anthem", by Leonard Cohen on album THE FUTURE.)
JSCHLIPP
David has no Indian blood in him otherwise he would have mentioned it in his
book.
As much as I love wathing KFTLC, I don't understand why you are arguing about
something so minor as weather or not Carradine or his "employer" is a rasist.
David Carradine is an accomplished actor and can play many, many characters. I
remember watching the original show because I thought David was the cutest
thing on two feet. Now I watch KFTLC because I know I will learn something
about the human race and how to treat others. The golden rule. Cain even
helps his enimies(with reluctance, granted) but the belief that EVERYONE is
created equal is what governs his actions and therefore everyone will get his
help regardless of what race or freind or enimy.
The people of the earth can learn something from him as a human being if they
get past the pety stuff like "Is he a rasist because hes not really
half-Chinese?"
Every race of people has there own uniqness. Take time to know and understand
or at the very least respect them because they are different from you.
I remember from the book that David had a close relationship with the indians
he knew because of them doing Pyotye (SP) together. Getting high, in other
words. If he did refer to them as savages then I don't remember that part of
the book and I've read the book twice.
Well I hope you don't mind my jumping in and telling my opinion on this
converstation, but my feeling toward Mr. Carradine is such that I could not
stay quiet. He's lasted in an unforgiving buisness for 30+ years and still
going strong. Let alone everything he's overcame and rose above in his life.
That alone deserves respect.
David probly got hired for the part because he was good looking, well built and
somebody noted that he could act extreamly well. Even if there were Chinese
acters who auditioned for the part witch I don't think there were.
Learn from the show and stop picking it and David's book apart for the sake of
argument.
Dont be afraid to tell me what you think or maybe argue with me about what I
said. I enjoy a good discussion.
tsi...@usa.net
In article <631jdu$f...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mary Sue Haliburton) wrote:
>
>
> (tsi...@usa.net) writes:
> > Caine is bi-racial. Being Bi-Racial means being of two races,NOT just
> > one,nobody has the right to shuffle those of us (I'm Cherokee/Caucasian)
> > who are "Whole of two Peoples" into one race catagory or the other just
> > to suit their liking.
>
> Good point. I find it interesting to study the faces of bi-racial
> and multi-racial people. Some get the best of both races, and are
> very handsome (e.g. Dean Cain, who is part Japanese). Others may
> not be pretty, but they are intriguing. This isn't intended to be
> insulting, BTW. I have no problem with mixing races, and think
> it may even be healthier to cross lines. The more variety, the
> better.
My family is pretty "piece-meal"Genetics are a kind of "dice toss"
You never know how they are gonna land.:)
> Curiously, although I now know that Carradine is not part Chinese,
> he made himself look a bit that way, helped by the brown eyes. I
> recall asking the correspondent who introduced me to KFtlc whether
> he might have a mixed background like the character he was
> playing and was surprised to hear that he didn't (as far as we
> know, that is). I think he achieves sort of an "aura shift" to get
> that look. If you have seen the episode "Gunfighters", check the
> scene where KCC#1 is lying on the bed in the "future", talking to
> Peter. I've been told I made myself look a bit chinese when I
> quoted the expression meaning happy new year in cantonese (for
> which I am told I get the intonation right). And I have blue-grey
> eyes. But I felt chinese when I said it, and maybe got a bit of
> that aura shift too.
I think another one was the episode with the tiger in it,i'm lousy at
remembering ep names,but at the end Caine is looking upwards for a few
seconds, right before the young tiger walks onto the terrace. There are
certain scenes that David does have a Chinese-ish look,such as when he
looks up.
You know,my grandfather used to tell me that our ancestors, no matter
how far back, are always in some way directing us,calling us to reclaim
what's ours by inheretance,the things that they embraced in life, and
that people drawn towards or against another culture may in some way be
"receiving" this "calling" to reclaim that heritage on a dream or
subconcious level. Which I thought was interesting since I've had a love
for Greek mythology since childhood,and I found out that one of my great
grandparents had Greek blood!I hadn't known that till their funeral a few
years ago,I had figured she was Scotch or something,it just wasn't talked
about.
I know,sounds weird....:) Just thought i'd toss that in.....:)
Are you SURE that there isn't a Chinese person hiding in your
ancestory??;)
But,don't we all have the same ancestors if we go back far enough anyway?
We are all humans,regardless of race,thus if we go far enough back in
time...the same beginning somewhere, back there.......:)
>
> I will have to read that again, to see if it reads as an
> intentional insult. (When I find the book, which got packed with
> the rest of my stuff when I moved.) Sometimes people use
> expressions thoughtlessly without considering the effect the words
> will have in cold print as opposed to a joshing remark in person.
I was kindly told that DC had intended to just refer to what other
people were saying about Native Americans rather than infering that
himself.
> I've had fights by email (flame wars actually) with a person who
> claimed that a personal slight-- aimed at me on a mailing list I have
> since quit--was humour. However, this same man refuses to
> use smileys to indicate he is joking. Tone-of-voice clues being
> absent in the recent incident I am thinking of, the remark read as an
> insult, not a joke.
I do try to use the smileys as much as possible for that reason,but I
must admit that I don't think personal aimed insults are truely
"funny"IMO .But,your right,typing can in some cases be misinterpreted.
> > (*If I've somehow misinterpreted the racist sounding remarks in his
> > book,let me know,honestly,i'd love to be able to forget about it,but I
> > can't. :(
And they did,and I have.:)
Take care.:)
Tsi s qua
(Breezes)
CatDancnn
I agree with you...cant understan why people cannot understan its just a job
for talented people...Just so happends David got it.... he was the chosen one
and he played it well,... and who would expect anything less..He is a great
actor..He should be in more great scripts than he is...He is every bit the man
BruceLee was..their are no comparisons too the two..for they are both great in
their own special way..I grew up watching the GrassHopper..Had the biggest
crush on that little bauld headed boy...and too this day i look forthe exact
things in a man...though i am married..i feel like that i have found someone
with all that the grasshopper offered...even down too the name..not
grasshopper of course...LOL..But David did instill the things of his charactor
in lots of young peoples minds in those days...which always remain with
them...I know !!! i am one of them...It was a fresh and clean series...which
was badly needed for the young ..It set values and still does in the series
Cain...I never expected him to live the life of Cain..God who could???If he
choose's to marrie a 100 times..this is what he chose.. liveing his life the
way he wants...I bet you live yours the way you want <all you Bashers>He is
only human..with fault as you and i have.
~Bren~
Ruth Hollands
Tsi s qua <tsi...@usa.net> wrote in article
<34681781....@news.nothnbut.net>...
> (Unless you wish to debate just how GLORIOUS that picture on the back
> cover of the book is,hehe.;)
Yummy! You'll get absolutely *no* debate from *me* on
that picture!! Mmmmm!! (sigh)
> Little Ruthy,a.k.a...Pookies BEST usenet body guard:)
To paraphrase the immortal words of Caine (from KFtlc);
"Don't *ever* call me that!" :-D Ruth is bad enough
sweetie! Although, I *do* like the thought of being his
usenet body guard. <grin> Can I sign up to be his *real*
bodyguard?
> My favorite TLC episode is "May I ride with you.",
> It's funnier than hell!:) (oops,naughty language!:)
> I especially loved the part where Caine tries to drive peters
> car,hehe:)
LOL!!! Yeah, isn't he a great driver?
I also find the one where Petey's naked in the bakery
funny! :-D I'm waging a guess here that Nancy also
likes this one.....right Nancy?? ;-)
> And,my all-time TOS fave was the "baby buffalo" one,for the life of
> me I can never remember it's title,but I always wait to see it, it was
> so touching,it's great to see a show that treats *all* of the earths
> Tribes with respect and equality,even the animal Tribes,agreed?.:)
Oh I don't remember seeing that one! Does anyone
know if that is one of the eps. I'll be getting from
Columbia house? I know they don't sell *all* the eps.
Rats! Rats! Rats! ):-(
Peace and Love! Ruth(no "y") in Ontario, Canada
Radames Pera
CatDancnn wrote:
You married a guy named Radames?