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DJ Stix01

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Jun 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/19/99
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I know there is a lot of confusion if Michae Long's Trans-Am is the car they
used for kitt, In the Pilot episode, when michael first sees kitt he tells
devon oh you have my car, and devon goes no it isnt, this car is special, he
goes no this is my car! and hen they get in the car and devon explains about
kitt. THERE WE GO I HOPE THAT CLEARS IT UP! :-)

Dennis

SM

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Jun 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/19/99
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No. That doesn't add any knowledge to what has beeen said here. That makes it
more confusing, if anything.


+SM

KATT30

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Jun 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/20/99
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i was watching knight of the drones and devon tells michael, that wilton had
shut down the foundation, till they found michael, which means mikes car was
probably used for kitt, because it was handy at the time


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Paul Sher Jr.

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Jun 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/21/99
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Why would the Knight Foundation be so poor as to HAVE to use Michael Long's
car?

Paul Sher Jr.
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M9J14C7

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Jun 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/21/99
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"Any coinsidence between that car and your own is purely superficial," Devon
said.

"Devon, come on, that's my car," Michael argued.

"This may look like your car, but it is in fact probably the most expensive car
in the world," Devon explained

"Knight of the Pheonix"

While that's not quite it word for word, that was the extent of the exchange
between Michael and Devon regarding KITT. Questions are always answered by
going back and looking at what was really said.

Also remember the car is registered in Michael Knight's name. So it certainly
can't be Michael Long's car, because that was ALREADY registered to him...

That should clear up any disputes left.

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FormuIa88

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Jun 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/21/99
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That was so simple and yet no one thought of it....bravo my friend...you have
solved the mystery!

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Trevor Blair

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Jun 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/22/99
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Michael Pajaro

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Jun 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/22/99
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m9j...@aol.com (M9J14C7) wrote:

> Also remember the car is registered in Michael Knight's name. So it certainly
> can't be Michael Long's car, because that was ALREADY registered to him...
>
> That should clear up any disputes left.

The black Trans Am left in the desert was registered to Michael Long. KITT
was registered to Michael Knight, a person created by Wilton. The Foundation
did all the paperwork to create Michael Knight, and then gave that profile
to Michael Long. If they can do all of that, they could easily either
transfer Michael's old registration to a KITT, or create a new registration
for a brand new vehicle. So I'm afraid your argument doesn't quite apply.

Mike
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Andy

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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When he drove out to the desert with tanya did anyone notice that when she
pulled the gun on him the actor that played Michael Long changed to David
Hasselhoff, you cant see him properly but I am damn sure it is.


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Kirks

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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Yea I noticed that too and it took me 5 times to watch that over and over again
to finally convince myself that the actor changed. This is 100% obvious by the
sound of his voice on how it changed before Long gets out of the car and after
he leaves the hotel. I wish I knew why this oh-so-obvious change was made, but
there had to have been a reason. Of course, if it was just a continuity error
like the many ones i found in the pilot, then who knows?

-Scott

March2875

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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There aren't as many continuality errors as some of you like to think I have
shot down at least 5 or 6 that ive seen or heard.

March2875

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Jun 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/23/99
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The ones I have shot down are the speed errors they can be explained reasonably
and logically. The MBS being the reason Kitt lost has nothing to do with it on
multiple occasions Only once it would have failed was when Karr was firing the
laser. And Kitt said he couldn't take another blow like that. Another error has
to do with the temprature resistance. There might be more. Believe me Knight
Rider has had less errors than many other shows even from today. My sister has
pointed out mistakes in Home Improvement, and Melrose Place also. Both shows
have to do with siblings to the characters Jane had no sister then Sydney
showed up and Tim the tool man taylor his brothers names have changed two or
three times over the years.

M9J14C7

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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>Why would the Knight Foundation be so poor as to HAVE to use Michael Long's
>car?

Its a simple as that. And if we're still wrong, use your argument to explain
KARR.

Knowing the child-like arguing that this board is known for I wouldn't be
surprised if someone came up with a silly explanation for KARR's existance with
KITT still somehow being Michael Long's Trans AM. Even though the lines that
Devon and Michael exchange are simple enough.

And of course, we'll get a few posts about my comment on the childish arguing
(but I'm right.)

richard clauser

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Jun 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/24/99
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Nobody ever said that the Knight Foundation was poor, or that it had to
use Michael's personal car to transform it into Kitt. The fact that
Devon said to Michael " that is not your car" is really irrelevant. The
Knight Foundation would have used his car simply because it was
convenient. It was there, so why not use it? They needed one anyway.
Obviously, Kitt did not resemble Michael's car. The body was basically
the same. Therefore, it makes perfect sense for the Knight Foundation to
use Michael's car. Michael, did not need it anymore anyway,as he would
be utilizing Kitt.

It would be like junking a perfectlty good car, then purchasing another
one exactly like it. It would be in the Knight Foundation's best
interests, to use Michael's car for Kitt.

Also, I don't recall the story ever explaining that the Knight
Foundation started to work on Kitt before Michael Long, became Michael
Knight.

If I am wrong, then someone please correct me by showing me proof in the
Pilot.

That's it for now, Terry
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FIFER1

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Jun 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/26/99
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Okay....let's think about something.
IF the foundation DID use Long's car, wouldnt they have to strip it completely,
put in the new engine, suspension, and electronics that K.I.T.T. has.
They were working on the Knight 2000 before Michael got hit, therefore it is
unlikely that the foundation used Long's car.
Look at Long's paint scheme...Black and Gold. It also has Trans Am on the sides
above the vents.
It wouldn't make sense for the foundation to wait for Long's car to put the
K.I.T.T cpu in it.
They would also take a chance on the condition of the car.
They would be better off ordering one from Pontiac the way they want it.
I hope this answers any questions.

AmCxMaTT

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Jun 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/26/99
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I was watching Trust Doesn't Rust again today, and Michael was asking Devon why
he wasn't told about KARR. Devon said that KARR had been deactivated 6 months
before Michael had been found. That pretty much tells us that KITT had to have
been started at least 6 months before Michael Long became Michael Knight.

I would think this is logical.

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M9J14C7

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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I have more proof that KITT is NOT the Trans-AM that Michael Long owned.

In the episode "Knightmares" an accident causes Michael to be separated from
KITT and lose his memory, making him believe he is police office Michael Long.
(in case you don't remember this episode)

After KITT cons him into getting in the car, he "kidnaps" him back to the
Foundation where April shows him a newspaper article to prove that Michael Long
is dead.


The headline reads:

POLICE OFFICER VANISHES, PRESUMED DEAD

Office Michael Long Was Declared Legally Dead Today When His Car Was Found


There, END OF DISCUSSION.

Paul Sher Jr.

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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THANK YOU !!!!

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greg woody

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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man am i glad that got settled


The Firebabe

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99
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For some odd reason I don't think this dispute is over quite yet....let's all
hope I'm wrong

Michael Pajaro

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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>
> The headline reads:
>
> POLICE OFFICER VANISHES, PRESUMED DEAD
>
> Office Michael Long Was Declared Legally Dead Today When His Car Was Found
>
>
> There, END OF DISCUSSION.


Sorry, but no.

The issue at hand in my mind is that the writers changed their own timeline
after making the pilot episode. (not unusual for a TV series.) Yes, after
seeing 4 seasons of KR it's safe to assume that KITT was never Michael's
original car. However, at the time Knight Of the Phoenix was written and
aired, the intention of the writers was that the Foundation installed KITT
into Michael's car.

Mike
http://www.teamknightrider.com

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EX812

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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It was not Michaels Trans Am, I though it would be clear with Michael and
Devon's Conversation. I think that is why they put it in there.

EX812

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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Ok another thing just came to my mind, In the Pilot there was no molecular
Bonded Shell that idea didnt come about until goliath. Hence When Michael Asks
Devon whats this a new paint job, Devon Replies its not paint its a finish
bonded to the molecular surface of a new Substance,its not metal and its not
fiberglass. I interpet that as saying that the material the car body is made
out of is not the Normal Metal of the Plain Trans Am so therefore it could not
be Michaels Trans Am

greg woody

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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ok someone had probably mentioned this already seeing as how obvious it is
but i'll say it anyway. In that episode does Devon not say to Michael. this
is not your car. The resembelence of this car and your is merely
superficial?

richard clauser

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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Obviously, Kitt did not resemble Michael Long's car. The body was the
same, but otherwise, it looked different.

richard clauser

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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I have to agree with Mike on this one. The writers tried on several
occasions to work a new episodes story into the episodes that have
already been aired.

Another thing, the fact that Michael Long was pronounced leagally dead,
has no baring on wether his car was used for Kitt. The foundation could
have been working on Kitt before Michael came into the picture. That
does not mean that the Knight Foundation had a body for Kitt. They could
have used Karr's body.

If Michael can install Kitt's electronic systems into a 1957 Chevy, and
later into the Knight 4000, in a few hours, then certainly the Knight
Foundation could very easily have done the same thing with Michael's
personal car.

I rest my case.

Paul Sher Jr.

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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richard clauser wrote in message
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If Michael can install Kitt's electronic systems into a 1957 Chevy, and
later into the Knight 4000, in a few hours, then certainly the Knight
Foundation could very easily have done the same thing with Michael's
personal car.

I rest my case.

Objection !!!!!

Defense council for the Cybernetic Technician under the employ of the Knight
Foundation in the time period surrounding the "creation" of artificial
intelligence vehicles, objects to Prosecution's example of the expedient
exchange of CPU's alleged in Knightrider 2000. Council for the defense
proposes that prosecution's argument is inadmissible as the components and
technology of the Knight Industries 4000 (hereafter referred to as "the
4000") in the 21st century is not yet available and most certainly not have
been in the year 1982, the year in fact that is in question and relevant to
the argument. Defense further submits that at no time did we see more than
an handful of the original capabilities of the Knight Industries 2000
(hereafter referred to as KITT) exhibited in the 57 Chevy owned by Michael
Knight. Prosecution makes the uncorroborated supposition that all of the
KITT's capabilities could be transferred to another vehicle (allegedly the
1982 Trans Am owned by Michael Arthur Long) in a matter of a few hours, when
it fact...

His supposition denies the reality that the example vehicle (the
aforementioned Knight Industries 4000), the 4000, did already possess these
capabilities... and more... at the time of the example. In fact, Michael
Knight did only exchange the original KITT scanner and replacement memory
chip, in the absence of the original memory chip in the possession of Miss
Shawn McCormick, alleged daughter of Coyote driver Mark "Skidmark"
McCormick, with that of the 4000. Given the equipment available to him at
the time, one would conclude a relatively simple task.

Prosecution would have you ignore the example of the incident on the
afternoon of September 7th, 1985, which had taken place at the Chicago
warehouse procured by Mr. Reginald Cornelius the third, (hereafter referred
to as RC3) in the company of an authorized senior technician of the Knight
Foundation, Miss Bonnie Barstow, and numerous skilled craftsmen in the
temporary employ of RC3. Miss Barstow, an experienced Cybernetic technician,
and company, did in fact, expend several days, effecting... not the
construction of, but simply the "repair" of the aforementioned KITT. It is
also a documented fact that this "repaired" vehicle was not constructed of
the same indestructible material conceived by the Knight Foundation, now
commonly referred to as the "Molecular Bonded Shell", and was in fact
created using common Original Equipment Manufacture (OEM) Pontiac Trans Am
parts, the type of which would be found on the vehicle owned by Michael
Long.

Prosecution will also have you pay no attention to the well documented
altercation which took place at the Knight Foundation in California on the
evening of 26 September, 1982, between Foundation employee Devon Miles and
Foundation CEO Wilton Knight.

For the record, I cite this example in which Mr. Knight had instructed that
the completion of the KITT be moved up to accommodate the departure of
Michael Knight from this location. It is commonly known that Mr. Miles
did... in fact... state that this new timetable would be impossible to meet.
Mr. Knight at that point did so order the continuous "round the clock"
attention be paid to the project, already in progress by my clients, to
meet this schedule.

It would seem highly unlikely that Mr. Miles would become so
confrontational, and for the previously unheard of practice of "round the
clock" service be performed on an operation requiring council's suggested
"few hours".

Defense maintains that at the time of the original pilot episode, my clients
did not, in fact "whip up" KITT, using the bullet ridden factory vehicle in
the possession of Michael Arthur Long and hopes that the jury will take
these accounts into consideration, along with the overwhelming evidence
provided by witnesses for the defense quoting Devon Miles.

Thank you ladies and gentlemen of the jury.

The Defense also rests it's case.

ViperX28

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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I have the first run of Knight of the Pheonix, and Michael's Trans-Am got
banged up in a car chase, therefore Larson DID NOT have the idea of using
Long's Trans-Am.

Lee Knight

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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If Ever I need a Lawyer I know who to call, Even if you don't win this argument
darn it you put up a good fight :)

Lee"Knight" UK KR Fan
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"We're on a mission from God"

Malevolent

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99
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Paul, dude...you have a natural proclivity for writing. Would you care to
pen a few articles for the Foundation Website? (I'm serious)

--Sean
http://www.mindspring.com/~seanhawk/foundation


The Firebabe

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Jul 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/2/99
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Wait a second! First of all I don't think KITT was Michael's car but that's
not the problem here. Okay, say you drive a black and gold TA, you go to the
grocery store, get out of your car, and go inside. When you come back out your
car is gone but in the exact same parking spot you left it, there is a solid
black TA. Are you going to assume this is your car? I wouldn't. That's what
I never understood. Michael says this is his car when his had gold on it. And
yes I realize he asks if it had a paint job, but only after he takes a closer
look at the car. If it was me I would notice right away that the gold was
gone! And it's not like Michael owned the only TA in the world! So why did he
insist that it was his car when it didn't even look the same? Just a
thought...
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