Turkey sashimi?
IC Perfect Paella
other poultry-loving bacteria. How you should wash your hands in warm
soapy water after handling the uncooked turkey (Emeril's deep-fried
turkey show), be careful to move the raw bird from the brine-bucket
straight to the oven (Alton Brown) and keep the whole area generally
sanitized.
And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
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>other poultry-loving bacteria. How you should wash your hands in warm
>soapy water after handling the uncooked turkey (Emeril's deep-fried
>turkey show), be careful to move the raw bird from the brine-bucket
>straight to the oven (Alton Brown) and keep the whole area generally
>sanitized.
>
>And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
>British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
>
>--
>Iron Chef Perfect Paella (Andrew Rich)
I think it all depends where and how the bird was killed. They probably got
more expensive birds that weren't mass produced, thus they are less likely to
pick up such nasty stuff during processing.
Sour Boy®
was sure I'd be watching the panel hunched over buckets by the time
the post judging interviews rolled . . .
>So for the last week, Food TV tells me of the dangers of salmanella and
>other poultry-loving bacteria. How you should wash your hands in warm
>soapy water after handling the uncooked turkey (Emeril's deep-fried
>turkey show), be careful to move the raw bird from the brine-bucket
>straight to the oven (Alton Brown) and keep the whole area generally
>sanitized.
>
>And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
>British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
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Iron Chef British
<for.email.look@sig> wrote:
> And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
> British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
Yeah, and that cow was REALLY PISSED, too. In fact you could say it was
MA--oh wait. :)
The only explanation I can offer is that perhaps -- perhaps -- turkey in
Japan is "processed" in a less haphazard way than poultry in the US is,
and therefore Morimoto judged it safe. It had to be at LEAST as safe as
that woefully undercooked rack of lamb one challenger served!
I don't know if you have any Jewish friends, but there is a method of
preparing animal foods (basically salt-curing) that makes it "kosher" and
I have found without exception that kosher meats are not only less
bacteria-prone than mass-produced beef/poultry, they also taste
considerably better.
American consumers have come to accept a level of toxicity and bacteria in
our meat and poultry that would have been unthinkable two decades ago. A
far better argument for going vegetarian than this "save the animals"
crap. I wish the public would wake up and demand better and more humane
butchering and processing of animal foods!
In the meantime I continue to buy most of my meat and poultry from
"free-range" and similar sources.
--
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oh wait ... he does."
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> And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
> British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
For the sake of being horribly anal retentive, you're missing the fact
that the Turkey Sashimi wasn't completely raw.
- Ed
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Before you buy.
Michael
blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
Oh, excuse me, that's how Communists kill their victims also.
No, there must be, and there is, a more compassionate way to kill animals for
human consumption, and there MUST be a better way for Communist murderers to
take their revenge; right?
Sorry for having such a compassionate and reasonable attitude towards the murder
of the creatures of the Earth. It just must be because I'm such a pussy! :-)
-----------
Michael
http://www.universalway.org/
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In article <stareinawe-0ABF2...@news-server.cfl.rr.com>, Iron Chef
Uncle Al
IC Perfect Paella wrote:
>
> So for the last week, Food TV tells me of the dangers of salmanella and
> other poultry-loving bacteria. How you should wash your hands in warm
> soapy water after handling the uncooked turkey (Emeril's deep-fried
> turkey show), be careful to move the raw bird from the brine-bucket
> straight to the oven (Alton Brown) and keep the whole area generally
> sanitized.
>
> And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
> British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
Salmonella is a common bacterium in fowl feces. As fowl have cloacas,
it is also not uncommon *inside* eggs when they are laid. The meat
itself is uncontaminated as such, but... Bulk fowl processing from
killing to defeathering to gutting bathes the bird in its own feces,
hence almost univesral salmonella contamination in the commercial
products.
A custom-slaughtered bird given proper hygienic considerations (and
maybe a squirt of superglue where it will do the most good) should be
OK.
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Uncle Al
Michael wrote:
>
> Ah yes, Kosher butchery; how would YOU like to have your throat cut and let your
> blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
[snip]
http://www.kashrut.com/
http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
Mammals and birds that may be eaten must be slaughtered in accordance
with Jewish law. (Deut. 12:21). This excludes animals that died of
natural causes (Deut. 14:21) or that were killed by other animals. In
addition, the animal must have no disease or flaws in the organs at
the time of slaughter. (Num. 11:22).
Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs
the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root
Shin-Chet-Tav, meaning to destroy or kill. The method of slaughter is
a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade
with no nicks or unevenness. This method is painless, causes
unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the
most humane method of slaughter possible.
Another advantage of shechitah is that ensures rapid, complete
draining of the blood, which is also necessary to render the meat
kosher. The shochet is not simply a butcher; he must be a pious man,
well-trained in Jewish law, particularly as it relates to kashrut. In
smaller, more remote communities, the rabbi and the shochet were often
the same person.
Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
Mike
Michael wrote:
>
> Ah yes, Kosher butchery; how would YOU like to have your throat cut and let your
> blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
Oh-Oh, the fascist/anti-semite is showing! :-)
> Oh, excuse me, that's how Communists kill their victims also.
Regan's KKKontra's and other despots and alleged "freedom fighters"
funded by the CIA kill the same way also.
BTW, Kosher poultry DOES taste better
--
Mike
"Hope? There's always hope, Mr.Farnsworth." -DB
*gmurphsniffle* <tm> & <c> 2000 Kiko Wu
Iron Chef British
<m...@universalway.org> wrote:
> Ah yes, Kosher butchery; how would YOU like to have your throat cut and let
> your
> blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
As opposed to being fed live into a meat grinder? Sounds fine by me,
actually.
> Oh, excuse me, that's how Communists kill their victims also.
Communists? Where's THAT from? Set your time machine ahead, Michael; it's
the year 2000 now.
> No, there must be, and there is, a more compassionate way to kill animals
> for
> human consumption,
And whatever that is, I'm all for it. I don't pretend to know much about
the subject, but I'm interested in progress.
> Sorry for having such a compassionate and reasonable attitude towards the
> murder
> of the creatures of the Earth. It just must be because I'm such a pussy!
> :-)
Ah. Okay. :)
Iron Chef British
<Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> >
> > Ah yes, Kosher butchery; how would YOU like to have your throat cut and
> > let your
> > blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
> [snip]
>
> http://www.kashrut.com/
> http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
>
> Mammals and birds that may be eaten must be slaughtered in accordance
> with Jewish law. (Deut. 12:21). This excludes animals that died of
> natural causes (Deut. 14:21) or that were killed by other animals. In
> addition, the animal must have no disease or flaws in the organs at
> the time of slaughter. (Num. 11:22).
>
> Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs
> the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root
> Shin-Chet-Tav, meaning to destroy or kill. The method of slaughter is
> a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade
> with no nicks or unevenness. This method is painless, causes
> unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the
> most humane method of slaughter possible.
>
> Another advantage of shechitah is that ensures rapid, complete
> draining of the blood, which is also necessary to render the meat
> kosher. The shochet is not simply a butcher; he must be a pious man,
> well-trained in Jewish law, particularly as it relates to kashrut. In
> smaller, more remote communities, the rabbi and the shochet were often
> the same person.
>
> Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
Bravo!
Grandizer
wrote:
Thats a nice little racist bit at the end there, way to keep it
ignorant and low-brow (Goyim = Goy, Jew = .....won't go there).
Stephanie D. Rendino
wrote:
>
>
>Michael wrote:
>>
>> Ah yes, Kosher butchery; how would YOU like to have your throat cut and let your
>> blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
>[snip]
>
>http://www.kashrut.com/
>http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
>
>Mammals and birds that may be eaten must be slaughtered in accordance
>with Jewish law. (Deut. 12:21). This excludes animals that died of
>natural causes (Deut. 14:21) or that were killed by other animals. In
>addition, the animal must have no disease or flaws in the organs at
>the time of slaughter. (Num. 11:22).
>
>Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs
>the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root
>Shin-Chet-Tav, meaning to destroy or kill. The method of slaughter is
>a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade
>with no nicks or unevenness. This method is painless, causes
>unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the
>most humane method of slaughter possible.
It's humane on a chicken. The slash across the neck effectively
decapitates it and the blood is drained.
My husband watched a kosher slaughtering of a lamb. The sucker took a
minute to die. A steer can take several minutes. There are Jews who
have become vegetarians because of this, which is what some ancient
rabbis believed kosher was meant to do.
Michael
>with Jewish law. (Deut. 12:21). This excludes animals that died of
>natural causes (Deut. 14:21) or that were killed by other animals. In
>addition, the animal must have no disease or flaws in the organs at
>the time of slaughter. (Num. 11:22).
>
>Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs
>the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root
>Shin-Chet-Tav, meaning to destroy or kill. The method of slaughter is
>a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade
>with no nicks or unevenness. This method is painless, causes
>unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the
>most humane method of slaughter possible.
>
>draining of the blood, which is also necessary to render the meat
>kosher. The shochet is not simply a butcher; he must be a pious man,
>well-trained in Jewish law, particularly as it relates to kashrut. In
>smaller, more remote communities, the rabbi and the shochet were often
>the same person.
>
>Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
>
>Uncle Al
Dear Uncle;
Don't you know that we "goyim" know by now that use of the word "goyim" is
essentially the same as calling a black person a "nigger" and a gay person a
"fag."
Regarding the "law," I respond with the following;
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have
learned a great deal from your post, and I try to share that knowledge with as
many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for
example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an
abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding
some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing
odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor
is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.
In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period
of menstrual uncleanness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have
tried asking, but most women take offence.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims
that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I
own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly
states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination
(Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can
you settle this?
g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect
in my sight. I have to admit that I wear glasses. Does my vision have to be
20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should
they die?
i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops
in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different
kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a
lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole
town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death
at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws?
(Lev. 20:14)
k) I know that on page 214 of "The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia" (Universal
Jewish Encyclopedia, Inc., 1939), the following is found; "The circumcision rite
consists of the following: 1. milah, cutting off the end of the upper prepuce;
2. periah, baring the glans by tearing or cutting the tender lower prepuce and
pushing it behind the glans; 3. metzitzah, the sucking of the wound, to staunch
the blood, by means of the mouth, as practiced in earlier times, or by means of
a suction cylinder or other modern methods in more recent times." I also know
that on page/column 572 in Volume V of "Encyclopedia Judaica" (Keter Publishing
House, 1971), the following is found; "The next stage is the performance of
mezizah ('suction'). This has led to much controversy in recent years.
Throughout the ages this was done by suction by the mouth in order, according to
Maimonides, to remove the blood from the distant parts of the wound (Maim. Yad,
Milah, 2:2). It was the recognized method of disinfection at the time. A mohel
who refrained from performing it was considered to be endangering the life of
the child, and had to be debarred from practice. Toward the middle of the 19th
and the beginning of the 20th century cases of syphilis, tuberculosis, and
diphtheria occurring in infants were ascribed to infection from mohalim using
this method of suction. This has been contested by a few Jewish doctors, and
some communities still follow the original practice. The Paris Consistoire
abolished mezizah in 1843." And I also know that on page 167 of "Encyclopedia of
Judaism" (Jerusalem Publishing House, Ltd., 1989), the following is found; "The
circumcision itself takes only a few seconds, and is performed by a circumciser
(mohel). Formerly the blood was drawn orally by the mohel but now an instrument
is used."
Since this practice is allowed by the law, does that mean that I should not
report such a practice to the authorites as being pedophilia, or should I smite
the offending rabbi for his sexual perversion? And when a baby loses its entire
penis to a botched circumcision, and is given transgendered sexual surgery, and
is subsequently given female hormones and raised as a girl, when such a
transgendered person grows up and looks like such a butch female like the
character "Pat" of "Saturday Night Live" fame, should I condemn that person for
apparently living a homosexual lifestyle?
Uncle Al, I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.
In the end, common sense, intelligence, and compassion, will be found to be the
lynchpins to any civilized doctrine. But then again, perhaps we should not turn
this newsgroup into a religious discussion, and I note that it was not me who
did that first.
Michael
>Oh-Oh, the fascist/anti-semite is showing! :-)
>
>> Oh, excuse me, that's how Communists kill their victims also.
>
>Regan's KKKontra's and other despots and alleged "freedom fighters"
>funded by the CIA kill the same way also.
>
>BTW, Kosher poultry DOES taste better
>
>--
>Mike
Mike;
Ah, yes, of course, anyone who disagrees with Christian doctrine is keeping an
open mind, and anyone who disagrees with any part of Jewish doctrine, is, of
course, a fascist anti-semite. Yuk, yuk! :-)
Thank you Mike, and I love you anyway, just because you're an Iron Chef fan.
Michelle Klein-Hass
<lett...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
>
> Thats a nice little racist bit at the end there, way to keep it
> ignorant and low-brow (Goyim = Goy, Jew = .....won't go there).
Yeah, agreed. As a person who was born Jewish the use of a term that is as
odious about non-Jews as "gaijin" is about non-Japanese in Japan or the
n-word about African-Americans is really bad form.
This sentence could have been better rendered: "Meat that is unfit for
Jews or Muslims to eat is offered to those who are neither Jewish nor
Muslim."
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Michelle Klein-Hass <NOPEmhassS...@2cowherd.net> wrote:
>In article <a25f1tkmofrbmk5qo...@4ax.com>, Grandizer
><lett...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
>>
>> Thats a nice little racist bit at the end there, way to keep it
>> ignorant and low-brow (Goyim = Goy, Jew = .....won't go there).
>
>Yeah, agreed. As a person who was born Jewish the use of a term that is as
>odious about non-Jews as "gaijin" is about non-Japanese in Japan or the
>n-word about African-Americans is really bad form.
>
>This sentence could have been better rendered: "Meat that is unfit for
>Jews or Muslims to eat is offered to those who are neither Jewish nor
>Muslim."
Actually, I thought it was a finely-pointed, deliciously phrased and
informed comment, to which I (a goy) took no offence whatsoever. Even made
me chuckle.
Too damn much political correctness in this thread.
--DwightG
Annie Benson-Lennaman
Uncle Al wrote:
> Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
I guess that means me. Fine! I'll slap it on a grill, drowned it
in bar be que sauce, and happily chug beer while I gorge myself on it.
Oh, I don't suppost that's very spiritual...but it does keep me alive.
Annie <--- Would also throw the turkey sashimi on the grill.
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Annie Benson-Lennaman wrote:
>
> Uncle Al wrote:
>
> > Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
>
> I guess that means me. Fine! I'll slap it on a grill, drowned it
> in bar be que sauce, and happily chug beer while I gorge myself on it.
> Oh, I don't suppost that's very spiritual...but it does keep me alive.
>
> Annie <--- Would also throw the turkey sashimi on the grill.
Our local Ralphs supermarket offered a free Easter ham with any tab
over $75. Talk about the great Jewish dilemma! We covered it with
dark cherry halves, drizzled on honey and some brown sugar, and when
the interior temp hit the bingo the outside had nicely carmelized.
The purpose of intelligence is not to solve the world's problems The
purpose of intelligence is to make the world's problems irrelevant.
Smokey Behr
wrote:
>Dear Uncle;
>
>Don't you know that we "goyim" know by now that use of the word "goyim" is
>essentially the same as calling a black person a "nigger" and a gay person a
>"fag."
>
>Regarding the "law," I respond with the following;
<crap snipped>
Well, now we know who the intolerant one is here.
A word can only offend when one chooses to make it offensive. I find
the word "goyim" not to be offensive; therefore it's not a slur.
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Grandizer
(Michelle Klein-Hass) wrote:
>In article <a25f1tkmofrbmk5qo...@4ax.com>, Grandizer
><lett...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
>>
>> Thats a nice little racist bit at the end there, way to keep it
>> ignorant and low-brow (Goyim = Goy, Jew = .....won't go there).
>
>Yeah, agreed. As a person who was born Jewish the use of a term that is as
>odious about non-Jews as "gaijin" is about non-Japanese in Japan or the
>n-word about African-Americans is really bad form.
>
>This sentence could have been better rendered: "Meat that is unfit for
>Jews or Muslims to eat is offered to those who are neither Jewish nor
>Muslim."
>
>--.\\<-H--
Still sounds quite offensive, almost sounds Aryan actually. Like you
don't deserve a good piece because your not a Jew or Muslim. I know
that's what's written, but it's still racist.
J. Jennings
US consumer 'enjoys'.
IC Perfect Paella <for.email.look@sig> wrote in message
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Michael
<goth...@gte.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:56:35 GMT, "Michael" <m...@universalway.org>
>wrote:
>
>>Dear Uncle;
>>
>>Don't you know that we "goyim" know by now that use of the word "goyim" is
>>essentially the same as calling a black person a "nigger" and a gay person a
>>"fag."
>>
>>Regarding the "law," I respond with the following;
>
><crap snipped>
>
>Well, now we know who the intolerant one is here.
>
>A word can only offend when one chooses to make it offensive. I find
>the word "goyim" not to be offensive; therefore it's not a slur.
>
And I suppose blacks should not find "nigger" offensive, and gays should not
find "fag" and "dyke" offensive? Well, looks like many other Iron Chef
newsgroup posters agree that it is a slur, and took offense to it.
As for myself; intolerant? Yuk, yuk! Actually, I'm really a gay/bisexual
Libertarian/Unitarian-Universalist type who is a student and a (harsh) critic of
the irrational religions of the world, and who has decided to take the offensive
in defending his existence against homophobic anti-freedom religions, especially
those that proffer the death penalty ("chyuv missa") towards gays.
And being gay/bisexual, I guess you would expect that I know all about Nazi pink
triangle genocide, right, my misguided chosen people friends? Of course, "chosen
people" being nothing different than "master race," however, some racists are so
far gone that they can't see the forest through the trees, and go hysterical
whenever anyone calls them on their own racism and prejudice, and call other
people the exact same thing that they really are; Nazis of their own type.
And my lengthy response to Uncle Al (you know, "crap snipped"), well, that was
really taken from "A Reply to Dr. Laura," you know, the homophobic radio host
who is going down the tubes because of lack of sponsorship support due to her
racist and prejudicial condemnation of homosexuals? Ah yes, you see, if
homosexuality is genetic, like some people say, then homophobes are really
racists, and if homosexuality is a choice, like some people say, then homophobes
are really prejudiced against, let's say, Unitarian-Universalists, who have
embraced homosexuals into their congregations as human beings deserving of being
treated with equal worth and dignity as any other law-abiding person. And it
seems that U.S. law and the psychological profession now agree with research
into near-death experiences that homophobia is a form of mental (and spiritual)
illness, ey? So there we have it; the real intolerance uncovered.
Okay, boys and girls? Can we get back to the Iron Chefs now?
Stephanie D. Rendino
<jenn...@wavewizard.com> wrote:
>In Japan, they probably don't have the low quality of food that the average
>US consumer 'enjoys'.
I wouldn't count on that. Think about the recent lot of "Snow White"
brand milk that poisoned so many over there.
blackbird 7379989 icq
<ImzR5.469$TE3....@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>:
>Ah yes, Kosher butchery; how would YOU like to have your throat cut and
>let your blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
>
>Oh, excuse me, that's how Communists kill their victims also.
>
>No, there must be, and there is, a more compassionate way to kill
>animals for human consumption, and there MUST be a better way for
>Communist murderers to take their revenge; right?
>
>Sorry for having such a compassionate and reasonable attitude towards
>the murder of the creatures of the Earth. It just must be because I'm
>such a pussy! :-)
>
>-----------
>Michael
>http://www.universalway.org/
>-----------
>
>In article <stareinawe-0ABF2...@news-server.cfl.rr.com>,
>Iron Chef British <stare...@myhairyballs.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't know if you have any Jewish friends, but there is a method of
>>preparing animal foods (basically salt-curing) that makes it "kosher"
>>and I have found without exception that kosher meats are not only less
>>bacteria-prone than mass-produced beef/poultry, they also taste
>>considerably better.
>
The animals deserve the compassion. But people, on the whole, do not
deserve it. If I had to choose between helping a strange human or a strange
animal in a crisis, i would choose the animal.
blackbird 7379989 icq
>In article
><NOPEmhassSEVENOHTHR...@01-042.028.popsite.net>,
>Michelle Klein-Hass <NOPEmhassS...@2cowherd.net> wrote:
>>In article <a25f1tkmofrbmk5qo...@4ax.com>, Grandizer
>><lett...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >Meat that is unfit for Jews or Muslims to eat is thrown to goyim.
>>>
>>> Thats a nice little racist bit at the end there, way to keep it
>>> ignorant and low-brow (Goyim = Goy, Jew = .....won't go there).
>>
>>Yeah, agreed. As a person who was born Jewish the use of a term that is
>>as odious about non-Jews as "gaijin" is about non-Japanese in Japan or
>>the n-word about African-Americans is really bad form.
>>
>>This sentence could have been better rendered: "Meat that is unfit for
>>Jews or Muslims to eat is offered to those who are neither Jewish nor
>>Muslim."
>
>Actually, I thought it was a finely-pointed, deliciously phrased and
>informed comment, to which I (a goy) took no offence whatsoever. Even
>made me chuckle.
>
>Too damn much political correctness in this thread.
>
>
>--DwightG
>
>
>
Yep.
blackbird 7379989 icq
<03ch1tsmge2j0kkq5...@4ax.com>:
>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:56:35 GMT, "Michael" <m...@universalway.org>
>wrote:
>
>>Dear Uncle;
>>
>>Don't you know that we "goyim" know by now that use of the word "goyim"
>>is essentially the same as calling a black person a "nigger" and a gay
>>person a "fag."
>>
>>Regarding the "law," I respond with the following;
>
><crap snipped>
>
>Well, now we know who the intolerant one is here.
>
>A word can only offend when one chooses to make it offensive. I find
>the word "goyim" not to be offensive; therefore it's not a slur.
>
Personally, I dont find any of them offensive. Not really offensive. Like,
I find a difference between whites, blacks, and niggers. niggers can be
white or black. Its in the person, not the person's color. You can call me
white, honkey, cracker, peckerwood, whatever.
Can we talk about Iron Chef now?
blackbird 7379989 icq
<B_9S5.3100$Be3.2...@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>:
>In article <03ch1tsmge2j0kkq5...@4ax.com>, Smokey Behr
><goth...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:56:35 GMT, "Michael" <m...@universalway.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Uncle;
>>>
>>>Don't you know that we "goyim" know by now that use of the word
>>>"goyim" is essentially the same as calling a black person a "nigger"
>>>and a gay person a "fag."
>>>
>>>Regarding the "law," I respond with the following;
>>
>><crap snipped>
>>
>>Well, now we know who the intolerant one is here.
>>
>>A word can only offend when one chooses to make it offensive. I find
>>the word "goyim" not to be offensive; therefore it's not a slur.
>>
>
>-----------
>Michael
>http://www.universalway.org/
>-----------
>
That explains why you dont like the slurs then. You must be tired of
fighting the ones who say "fag". I say it. and I say nigger too. not only
do i say "fag", but I also use the term "good-buddy motherfucker" to
describe a gay/bisexual (which is it?) person.
blackbird 7379989 icq
>In article <03ch1tsmge2j0kkq5...@4ax.com>, Smokey Behr
><goth...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:56:35 GMT, "Michael" <m...@universalway.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Dear Uncle;
>>>
>>>Don't you know that we "goyim" know by now that use of the word
>>>"goyim" is essentially the same as calling a black person a "nigger"
>>>and a gay person a "fag."
>>>
>>>Regarding the "law," I respond with the following;
>>
>><crap snipped>
>>
>>Well, now we know who the intolerant one is here.
>>
>>A word can only offend when one chooses to make it offensive. I find
>>the word "goyim" not to be offensive; therefore it's not a slur.
>>
>
>And I suppose blacks should not find "nigger" offensive, and gays should
>not find "fag" and "dyke" offensive? Well, looks like many other Iron
>Chef newsgroup posters agree that it is a slur, and took offense to it.
>
>As for myself; intolerant? Yuk, yuk! Actually, I'm really a gay/bisexual
>Libertarian/Unitarian-Universalist type who is a student and a (harsh)
>critic of the irrational religions of the world, and who has decided to
>take the offensive in defending his existence against homophobic
>anti-freedom religions, especially those that proffer the death penalty
>("chyuv missa") towards gays.
>
>And being gay/bisexual, I guess you would expect that I know all about
>Nazi pink triangle genocide, right, my misguided chosen people friends?
>Of course, "chosen people" being nothing different than "master race,"
>however, some racists are so far gone that they can't see the forest
>through the trees, and go hysterical whenever anyone calls them on their
>own racism and prejudice, and call other people the exact same thing
>that they really are; Nazis of their own type.
>
Jesus Tap-dancing Christ, man... Doesnt every religion's followers believe
that they are the chosen? Would they be followers otherwise?
>And my lengthy response to Uncle Al (you know, "crap snipped"), well,
>that was really taken from "A Reply to Dr. Laura," you know, the
>homophobic radio host who is going down the tubes because of lack of
>sponsorship support due to her racist and prejudicial condemnation of
>homosexuals? Ah yes, you see, if homosexuality is genetic, like some
>people say, then homophobes are really racists, and if homosexuality is
>a choice, like some people say, then homophobes are really prejudiced
>against, let's say, Unitarian-Universalists, who have embraced
>homosexuals into their congregations as human beings deserving of being
>treated with equal worth and dignity as any other law-abiding person.
>And it seems that U.S. law and the psychological profession now agree
>with research into near-death experiences that homophobia is a form of
>mental (and spiritual) illness, ey? So there we have it; the real
>intolerance uncovered.
If homophobia is an illness, then its not a choice, and homophobes are not
intolerant. Or at least its not their fault.
>
>Okay, boys and girls? Can we get back to the Iron Chefs now?
>
>-----------
>Michael
>http://www.universalway.org/
>-----------
>
Jesus Tap-dancing Christ, man...
LONG
it. If I had to choose between helping a strange human or a strange animal in a
crisis, i would choose the animal.<
Damn. That's just cold. Although, maybe you're right. Maybe people don't
deserve compassion if they refuse to help someone on the basis that other
people do things that are wrong. If you're in trouble and I come near you,
remind me to ignore you. Is anyone else disgusted with the turn this thread has
taken? Can we get back to Iron Chef?
-> L <-
barkbarkwoof
when he threw up all over the Prime Minister of Japan. That should answer
everybody's questions.
barkbarkwoof
anti-homophobes racist too?
Bottom line is: don't eat raw turkey.
George
GMT, that marvelous person az...@datapimp.org (blackbird 7379989 icq)
had informed us of the following:
In my mind, that qualifies you as a strange human. Ideally, I'd help
both, but if forced to choose, the human wins 99.99% of the time.
George
Matthew
> Regarding the "law," I respond with the following;
>
Talmudic law teaches that the laws of the country Jews live in should be
followed. So, Old Testament laws that are in violation of local statutes
are automatically null and void.
Iron Chef British
(blackbird 7379989 icq) wrote:
> The animals deserve the compassion. But people, on the whole, do not
> deserve it. If I had to choose between helping a strange human or a strange
> animal in a crisis, i would choose the animal.
That's a pretty damn one-sided snap judgement ... for me it would depend
on HOW strange the person or animal was.
J. Jennings
where typical, everyday food is safe, nutritious, and tasty.
Stephanie D. Rendino <bea...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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Uncle Al
"J. Jennings" wrote:
>
> That's too bad. I'd like to think there's at least one industrial country
> where typical, everyday food is safe, nutritious, and tasty.
Current average US lifespan is 78 years, vs 40 at the turn of the
century near when the current survivors were born. What is your
problem? Enrio-shienrs are having cows over parts-per-billion
man-made "contamination" while 10,000-100,000 times that amount comes
in through natural frank toxicants in vegetables. Baby Boomers will
touch 100 easy, imploding "Social Security and Medcare with their
unbridled appetites and power at the polls.
Last tag, AARP AARP.
MousePlanetFab
>your
>blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
>
>Oh, excuse me, that's how Communists kill their victims also.
Actually, no. They usually just shoot them.
Fab
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hide the babies and children!
Actually, from what I've studied, those whom they only shot, got off quite
lucky; and there were tens and tens of millions of victims from which to choose.
-----------
Michael
http://www.universalway.org/
-----------
In article <20001125235047...@ng-mb1.aol.com>,
The God of Moses
news:MPG.147fc55625fa71a598968a@news...
> So for the last week, Food TV tells me of the dangers of salmanella and
> other poultry-loving bacteria. How you should wash your hands in warm
> soapy water after handling the uncooked turkey (Emeril's deep-fried
> turkey show), be careful to move the raw bird from the brine-bucket
> straight to the oven (Alton Brown) and keep the whole area generally
> sanitized.
>
> And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
> British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
The fact that Japanese cuisine contains hundreds of things more horrifying
to us Westerners than some salmonella bacteria?
Exhibit A: Natto.
The God of Moses
news:ImzR5.469$TE3....@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
> Ah yes, Kosher butchery; how would YOU like to have your throat cut and
let your
> blood drip out slowly as you die on a hook?
Perhaps you should remember that you have neither cloven hooves nor
cud-chewing capability, are at the top of the food chain, and should just
shut up?
I HAVE SPOKEN
Bowmah
piece of meat, hence slightly cooking the outside helps decrease your
risk of contamination by many folds BUT, there is still a chance yes.
just like if you don't cook hamburger patties long enough and that
piece happens to have E.coli. some chefs don't cook the outside, they
drench it with some sort of high acidic sauce and they belive this
works too, but I don't think so.
bowmah
--
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Dwightg
barkbarkwoof
ground beef has more surface (each strand) then say a steak. It is simply
handled more.
"Bowmah" <bow...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a2d4eb7...@news.telus.net...
> I think that most of the contamination is on the outer edge of the
> piece of meat, hence slightly cooking the outside helps decrease your
> risk of contamination by many folds BUT, there is still a chance yes.
> just like if you don't cook hamburger patties long enough and that
> piece happens to have E.coli. some chefs don't cook the outside, they
> drench it with some sort of high acidic sauce and they belive this
> works too, but I don't think so.
>
> bowmah
>
The God of Moses
"Dwightg" <dwi...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:3a2d8476$1...@news.pacifier.com...
> In article <90jdj...@enews4.newsguy.com>,
> >news:MPG.147fc55625fa71a598968a@news...
> >> So for the last week, Food TV tells me of the dangers of salmanella and
> >> other poultry-loving bacteria. How you should wash your hands in warm
> >> soapy water after handling the uncooked turkey (Emeril's deep-fried
> >> turkey show), be careful to move the raw bird from the brine-bucket
> >> straight to the oven (Alton Brown) and keep the whole area generally
> >> sanitized.
> >>
> >> And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
> >> British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
> >
> >The fact that Japanese cuisine contains hundreds of things more
horrifying
> >to us Westerners than some salmonella bacteria?
> >
> > Exhibit A: Natto.
>
> Yeah, but Natto won't killya.
You've never had natto, have you?
Dwightg
The God of Moses <god_of...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Dwightg" <dwi...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
>news:3a2d8476$1...@news.pacifier.com...
>> In article <90jdj...@enews4.newsguy.com>,
>> The God of Moses <god_of...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >"IC Perfect Paella" <for.email.look@sig> wrote in message
>> >news:MPG.147fc55625fa71a598968a@news...
>> >> So for the last week, Food TV tells me of the dangers of salmanella and
>> >> other poultry-loving bacteria. How you should wash your hands in warm
>> >> soapy water after handling the uncooked turkey (Emeril's deep-fried
>> >> turkey show), be careful to move the raw bird from the brine-bucket
>> >> straight to the oven (Alton Brown) and keep the whole area generally
>> >> sanitized.
>> >>
>> >> And then Morimoto serves up RAW TURKEY. This seems akin to Iron Chef
>> >> British serving cow brains. What am I missing here?
>> >
>> >The fact that Japanese cuisine contains hundreds of things more
>horrifying
>> >to us Westerners than some salmonella bacteria?
>> >
>> > Exhibit A: Natto.
>>
>> Yeah, but Natto won't killya.
>
>You've never had natto, have you?
Check the back posts. I'm one of the few people here who actually -likes-
natto :)
--DwightG
Rich W.
says...
> I guess chicken "sashimi" is fairly common in japan. I suppose if you're
> used to it it doesn't seem so off-putting.
I have a friend who's an audio engineer and he was in Tokyo 2 months
ago and ate chicken sashimi. I'll have to dig out the email where he
described it.
Also, check out Anthony Bourdain's book KITCHEN CONFIDENTIAL if you want
to read a chapter about adventurous eating in Japan. He loved it.
--
-VC
Eric Oehler
: The fact that Japanese cuisine contains hundreds of things more horrifying
: to us Westerners than some salmonella bacteria?
COuld be the reason, actually. Americans seem to be the ones most
concerned with disinfecting everything. We have disinfectant soaps,
sprays, wipes, detergents...all sortsa stuff. MOst people I know won't
even eat a ceasar salad if the egg isn't fully cooked-through, or
spaghetti alla carbonara because the egg sauce is initially raw.
Americans are almost entirely unwilling to even risk coming in contact
with salmonella.
Then people wonder why we get sick drinking the water in Mexico when the
natives seem to be just fine with the local flora.
Could just be that most other countries have a slightly higher tolerance
for salmonella bacteria and such than we safety-conscious americans.
Of course, plenty of japanese die every year from parasitic infections
from less-reputable restaurants, too...
I guess chicken "sashimi" is fairly common in japan. I suppose if you're
used to it it doesn't seem so off-putting.
--
_______________________________________________________
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A large whale has washed ashore, perhaps we may profit by this.
EvelynMcH
their children because of junk science linking immunzation to all sorts of
unproven ills while ignoring the obvious and long-proven fact that
immunizations prevent disease.
There is no credence to the claim that exposure to bacterial illnesses causes
some sort of immunity. Vacinations prevent viruses; only a very, very small
number of bacterial illnesses can be prevented with immunization, and most of
them not completely. In the case of salmonella, it's not the bacteria, but the
toxin produced by it within the body that causes the illness; the body can deal
with a few stray bacteria (in normal, healthy people). But contaminated food
contains more than a "few", and the bacteria multiply rapidly within the
hospitable confines of a human once they are introduced. Other species are not
affected by the toxin, and can harbor the bacteria without harm to themselves -
like poultry. Combined with poor handling of slaughtered poultry, poor
sanitation in poultry farms and egg farming, you get meat and eggs contaminated
with salmonella. Handle the slaughtered poultry with care, and take other
measures, and the chance of contamination is almost nil. Obviously, the
Japanese take concerns over the safety of raw poultry a lot better than we do
in the US - at least the ones that get eaten raw!
Iron Chef Tupperware
"Please pass the dish detergent"
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there is no difference between large and small problems,
for issues concerning the treatment of people are all the same.
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