Homicide/St Elsewhere- Kyle Secor & others
STKPIKRTOM
Elsewhere on TVLand (3-5 AM EST). The final season of St Elsewhere is being
shown now. In 4 episodes, Kyle Secor has a recurring role as a gay Aids
patient. I assume Fontana got the idea to introduce the Bi side of Bayliss's
character in Homicide from Secor's gay character in St Elsewhere. Am I off
base?
It was also interesting to see major characters from St Elsewhere
appearing in guest star roles on Homicide. David Morse, who played Dr
Morrison, a Resident on St Elsewhere appearred on Homicide as Bayliss's brother
Jim who shot the Turkish exchange student on Halloween in the episode: Colors.
In tonight's episode on CourtTV, Autofocus, the Judge that issued the
warrant to Kellerman & Lewis was played by Sagan Lewis who was a regular on St
Elsewhere as Dr Wade, a surgical resident.
While some of the contributors to this newsgroup may not have been born
when St Elsewhere first started it's Network run, maybe some the *older*
members could cite other St Elsewhere/Homicide tie-ins. Or has this game been
played before?
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Tom, not remembering a lot of St Elsewhere during the original run.
Todd
spake:
>David Morse, who played Dr
>Morrison, a Resident on St Elsewhere appearred on Homicide as Bayliss's brother
>Jim
>_
>Tom
Actually, David Morse played Bayliss' cousin Jim.
Todd
Pamela Rose
No cookie for you, Tom. Oh, hell, give him a cookie anyway, Todd! It
was close enough.
--
Pamela
TVFan87656
> In 4 episodes, Kyle Secor has a recurring role as a gay Aids
>patient.
He was in a few more than 4, IIRC.
>I assume Fontana got the idea to introduce the Bi side of Bayliss's
>character in Homicide from Secor's gay character in St Elsewhere. Am I off
>base?
Kyle Secor suggested the bisexual story to Fontana.
> could cite other St Elsewhere/Homicide >tie-ins. Or has this game
>been
>played before?
Yes, but what's the harm in a retread?
Robert Clohessy, cop in St. Elsewhere (season 5 finale), cop on Homicide
("Partners"). He's one of the rare actors with a Fontana trifecta, he now
appears on "Oz" as Sean Murphy. Took him 12 years to finally get a great role
from Tom.
Howie Mandel, Fiscus, then a decorator looking at the Waterfront in "Every
Mother's Son".
I have this nagging feeling the man who wore the "I Love Wood" t-shirt in "Son
of A Gun", was on St. E at one point.
>
>Tom, not remembering a lot of St Elsewhere during the original run.
>
I was watching the season 6 reruns again, and caught the things I'd forgotten
on the last set of reruns.
St. E has been criticized for having a lousy last year, but looking at it
again, it was a noble failure (if a failure at all). Season 6 is the year we
got to watch those green, unsure interns of the first years getting their last
kicks from reality. Wayne had to deal with trying to evolve past being a joker,
and the death of his father. Ehrlich married and dealt with the loss of his
unborn child. After years of crazy women, he finally settled down with a woman
perfect for him in every way, Lucy Pappendreo. Anyone disgusted by
Ballard/Falsone or Cox/Kellerman, try to catch the season 5 and 6 eps dealing
with Ehrlich and Lucy's relationship, they're fun and heart-wrenching,
sometimes in the span of a few minutes.
There were little slice of life moments that were rare under the Fontana years.
Wade dealing with too many housemates. A newly ordained female minister coping
with her rough beginning as hospital chaplain.
Carol Noveno had no major stories, but several episodic vignettes that made me
truly care about a character who had been slightly dulled the year before.
After years of next-to-nothing about his background, we finally got to hear
more about Luther's upbringing and parents. He even found love and a wife
(portrayed by Stacey Dash, who ironically went on to play a teenager 6 or 7
years in "Clueless").
Season 6 also seems to have more characters involved in more stories per
episode. Risky stories too, you could practically see the writers trying to
avoid cliche. Seth's religious conversion and realization that being a
Christian didn't mean he had to be a judgemental bastard. The up and down sides
to gene testing. That AIDS arc with Kyle Secor. The artificial heart story,
which is a little dated, but has so many superb performances the dated quality
doesn't matter.
I think season 6 was St. Elsewhere's gentlest year, not bad at all. Sure there
were stories that didn't click (Helen's pill addiction, the Craig's marital
problems, John Gideon), but even those stories had their moments. My biggest
complaint about the last year is the criminal underuse of France Nuyen
(Paulette Kiem).
I'll always be glad for this season's existence for 1 specific reason: A
brilliant series finale (Phil tossing that identification card out the elevator
door is still the *best* character exit I've ever seen on a tv show), something
the show would not have had in season 5. The season 5 finale has moments which
are nearly unwatchable.
To connect this to Homicide, the difference between their final year is that
you got the impression Homicide's producers and writers stopped caring. The
patient had died and no one bothered to turn off the machines. Other than the
glorious "Identity Crisis", the fun "Bones of Contention", the well-acted
"Shades of Grey", and a few good Meldrick and Bayliss scenes, the best that can
be said is season 7 wasn't as bad as the season before it.
Keith Gow
lyrical:
<snip>
> While some of the contributors to this newsgroup may not have been born
>when St Elsewhere first started it's Network run, maybe some the *older*
>members could cite other St Elsewhere/Homicide tie-ins. Or has this game been
>played before?
>_
Did we all forget that Alfre Woodard recreated her character of Dr.
Roxanne Turner from St. Elsewhere in the H:LotS episode "Mercy" in the
sixth season. And, apparently, there will be another unamed crossover
in the new movie - can't remember who. A guest appearance by a St E
actor in an unamed doctor role - which is really his St E character,
but name is nto mentioned for some legal reasons... Vague, but true.
|| Keith Gow | Author of www.bttf.com/futurefeatures -
a series of articles about the Back to the Future Trilogy ||
Bayliss: "So does the violence make them stupid or does
the stupidity lead to violence?"
Munch: "Well, that's chicken and egg semantics. The
important point is that we win certain cases because our
brains are repositories for intelligence and their brains are
day-old banana pudding." - 'Pit Bull Sessions,' H:LotS
Keith Baird
> Did we all forget that Alfre Woodard recreated her character of Dr.
> Roxanne Turner from St. Elsewhere in the H:LotS episode "Mercy" in the
Not I.
> And, apparently, there will be another unamed crossover
> in the new movie - can't remember who. A guest appearance by a St E
> actor in an unamed doctor role - which is really his St E character,
> but name is nto mentioned for some legal reasons... Vague, but true.
That would be, IIRC, Ed Begley, Jr. as Victor Ehrlich. Incidentally,
Ehrlich's parents turned up in a Homicide episode played memorably,
as they were on St. Elsewhere, by Steve Allen and Jayne Meadows.
--/<eith
RaulGOC
>when St Elsewhere first started it's
>Network run, maybe some the *older*
>members could cite other St Elsewhere/Homicide tie-ins. Or has this game
>been
>played before?
>_
>Tom, not remembering a lot of St Elsewhere during the original run.
>
Though I can't recall the exact episode now (give me a couple of days to look
it up), there is a scene set in a hospital where you can hear Dr. Erlich being
paged over the PA. Also, from what I've read,
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Ed Begley Jr. is playing "a doctor" in the movie. Could be just a coincidence.
Guess we'll have to watch the thing.
Raul
Karing21
>While some of the contributors to this newsgroup may not have been born
>when St Elsewhere first started it's Network run, maybe some the *older*
>members could cite other St Elsewhere/Homicide tie-ins. Or has this game
>been
>played before?
It's been played before, but it's still fun to me. Alfre Wooddard reprised her
St. E role of Dr. Roxanne Turner in the 6th Season of HLOTS.
Steve Allen and Jayne Meadows played Victor Ehrlich's parents (or at least a
couple who claimed to be his parents and spies, thereby explaining why he was
raised by his aunt) on St. E, and both appeared in the "Shaggy Dog, City Goat"
episode of HLOTS.
What about behind-the-scenes people? Did Eric Lanneauville (apologies for
butchering his name), Luther on St. E, direct any episodes of HLOTS?
Karin,
knows there must be more connections
Pushkin
> I have this nagging feeling the man who wore the "I Love Wood" t-shirt in
"Son
> of A Gun", was on St. E at one point.
>
via-cable here, don't know. But he never was on St. E.as far as IMDB can
tell.
Sacha
Todd
spake:
He also had roles in "Boogie Nights" and "Magnolia." In the latter he
was credited as himself.
Todd
Scruf1224
Apparently, Ed Begley, Jr. will be reprising his role as well, in the upcoming
movie.
Oh, yeah, Howie Mandel played the interior decorator who was supposed to work
on the Waterfront.
Philly the Kid
this moments ago!
And so I came to this list, where I haven't been in over 2 years at least,
and then I see this wonderful recount of St Elsewhere...the original and
perhaps, still greatest 1 hour drama on television ever...
St Elsewhere finale was one of the greats...how bout Fiscus saying it aint
over till the fat lady sings...and then the doors open and a Wagnerian
Helga is singing opera...how bout the final credits going flat-line.
Almost every decent story line done on ER was ripped out of St Else. And
whereas no characters on ER are appealing, all characters were appealing
on St Else.
I won't offer spoilers cause why ruin it...but I will say, that I have
heard details now from my friend who saw the movie already and is sounds
bad ass!
out Philly the Kid
In article <20000129051529...@ng-fy1.aol.com>,
tvfan...@aol.com (TVFan87656) wrote:
> stkpi...@aol.com (STKPIKRTOM) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In 4 episodes, Kyle Secor has a recurring role as a gay Aids
> >patient.
>
> He was in a few more than 4, IIRC.
>
> >I assume Fontana got the idea to introduce the Bi side of Bayliss's
> >character in Homicide from Secor's gay character in St Elsewhere. Am I off
> >base?
>
> Kyle Secor suggested the bisexual story to Fontana.
>
> > could cite other St Elsewhere/Homicide >tie-ins. Or has this game
> >been
> >played before?
>
> Yes, but what's the harm in a retread?
>
> Robert Clohessy, cop in St. Elsewhere (season 5 finale), cop on Homicide
> ("Partners"). He's one of the rare actors with a Fontana trifecta, he now
> appears on "Oz" as Sean Murphy. Took him 12 years to finally get a great role
> from Tom.
>
> Howie Mandel, Fiscus, then a decorator looking at the Waterfront in "Every
> Mother's Son".
>
> I have this nagging feeling the man who wore the "I Love Wood" t-shirt in "Son
> of A Gun", was on St. E at one point.
>
> >
> >Tom, not remembering a lot of St Elsewhere during the original run.
> >
>
TVFan87656
>
>What about behind-the-scenes people? Did Eric Lanneauville (apologies for
>butchering his name), Luther on St. E, direct any episodes of HLOTS?
No, but Bruce Paltrow did ("Shot in the Dark"). So did Kathy Bates ("Scene of
the Crime") she appeared on St. E twice, season 4 and season 5. She's also
directed an ep of Oz.
TVFan87656
then directed a Homicide episode ("Nothing Personal").
Pushkin
> >
>
> He also had roles in "Boogie Nights" and "Magnolia." In the latter he
> was credited as himself.
>
> Todd
Yeah I know. I'm actually eagger to seeing Magnolia. I've read 10 critics
and it's a 5/5 split. Either they love it or hate it but it revolves around
alot of charcaters so I think I'll enjoy it. Maybe next weekend...
sacha
Todd
spake:
>> >
>> >
>>
It's got its flaws, but it's definitely worth seeing. Even better,
though, is the soundtrack, which features eight new songs by Aimee
Mann and her cover of "One is the Loneliest Number." Definitely worth
picking up.
Todd
TVFan87656
>
>That would be, IIRC, Ed Begley, Jr. as Victor Ehrlich. Incidentally,
>Ehrlich's parents turned up in a Homicide episode played memorably,
>as they were on St. Elsewhere, by Steve Allen and Jayne Meadows.
Wonder if he's still married to Lucy....I hope so. If only the budget had
enough spare money for Jennifer Savidge to make a cameo, and Lucy could make an
absolutely bitchy remark about Gee Jr, Falsone, Sheppard, or Ballard (or all
four).
Robert Vincent
>>While some of the contributors to this newsgroup may not have been born
>>when St Elsewhere first started it's
>
>>Network run, maybe some the *older*
>>been
>>played before?
>>_
>>Tom, not remembering a lot of St Elsewhere during the original run.
>>
>
> it up), there is a scene set in a hospital where you can hear Dr. Erlich being
> paged over the PA. Also, from what I've read,
I was watching some season 4 episodes recently during the Bayliss' back
plot thread, wasn't his doctor referred to as Dr. Erlich?
Rob V.
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TVFan87656
>
>
>And so I came to this list, where I haven't been in over 2 years at least,
>and then I see this wonderful recount of St Elsewhere...the original and
>perhaps, still greatest 1 hour drama on television ever...
St. E doesn't have much competition in the greatest category. For longevity,
creativity, the way they wrote consistently for so many in a large cast (with
one or two exceptions). Even for their diversity. I watched one episode of that
piece of crap "City of Angels", and you could say the entire premise was a
ripoff of St. E, and done far better by St. E.
Every show I watch that can almost compare usually burns itself out. Homicide,
The Sopranos (showing signs already), maybe L&O, but it's a completely
different format than St. Elsewhere.
That show broke more ground than any of the dramas currently on
television...including some taboo subjects that are probably never going to be
touched on network tv again.
>St Elsewhere finale was one of the greats...how bout Fiscus saying it aint
>over till the fat lady sings...and then the doors open and a Wagnerian
>Helga is singing opera...how bout the final credits going flat-line.
I've heard of the flat-lining, but TV Land doesn't show it (do they think
that's too gruesome?).
That's the beautiful part of St. Elsewhere's final season, and final episode.
Watching the shows again, you really do begin to see closure weaved through
every character, every storyline. People grow and change, they realize flaws in
themselves. Fiscus in particular had a streak of great shows in that last
season, possibly more than any other in his time on the show. Growing up,
losing his father, meeting those punk patients and realizing he was now a
member of the "establishment", and that the generation which replaced his
didn't live up to his expectations, dealing with his mother (the perfectly cast
Lainie Kazan), etc.
Pushkin
> It's got its flaws, but it's definitely worth seeing. Even better,
> though, is the soundtrack, which features eight new songs by Aimee
> Mann and her cover of "One is the Loneliest Number." Definitely worth
> picking up.
>
> Todd
Greeeaaat!! On an another note.... I now have Homicide reruns. but dubbed in
french and it's vewwwy scawy. It's dubbed in "proper" langiuage so Lewis and
Crosetti talking in "Gone for Goode" is painful (Crosetti is now a macaroni
head).... ah well... just thought I'd share :)
Sacha
Pamela Rose
Macaroni head? I love it! I can't even imagine how "lumpy sex" would
be translated.
--
Pamela
Bshaddo
Seriously, can you imagine the frustration of the TV interpreters when it came
to translating the words of Yaphet Kotto?
Pushkin
> > Greeeaaat!! On an another note.... I now have Homicide reruns. but
dubbed in
> > french and it's vewwwy scawy. It's dubbed in "proper" langiuage so Lewis
and
> > Crosetti talking in "Gone for Goode" is painful (Crosetti is now a
macaroni
> > head).... ah well... just thought I'd share :)
> >
> > Sacha
>
> Macaroni head? I love it! I can't even imagine how "lumpy sex" would
> be translated.
>
> --
> Pamela
ell the problem is not so much the terms they use it's how it's said. I mean
Crosetti's voice is a high-pitch nasal tone which is day and night compared
to his real voice. :) But i'll see. They only showed the first scene of Gone
Fro Goode up to now so I have no idea for let's say. Munch :) If you want
you can ask me a few quotes and i can tell how they come out .
Sacha
Pushkin
> >
> > Greeeaaat!! On an another note.... I now have Homicide reruns. but
dubbed in
> > french and it's vewwwy scawy. It's dubbed in "proper" langiuage so Lewis
and
> > Crosetti talking in "Gone for Goode" is painful (Crosetti is now a
macaroni
> > head).... ah well... just thought I'd share :)
> >
> > Sacha
>
> Macaroni head? I love it! I can't even imagine how "lumpy sex" would
> be translated.
>
> --
> Pamela
Oh and about "lumpy sex" I'll have to wait for season 6. That's considering
my dad pays the extra 3$ a month for the new channels.. but on the other
hand what i usually dont have is unscrambbled too so i got to see "Requiem
for Adena" on Bravo!... surprised to see Chris Rock.
Sacha
morpheus
Yaphet Kotto- Not exactly subtle...not exactly subtitled...
morph- not exactly an entity
I. J. L. Katy
>That'd be Luis Guzman. He has a role in "Oz" but since i don't get the show
>via-cable here, don't know.
Raoul "El Cid" Hernadez.
Katy
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