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Cobrabite

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May 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/5/98
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Alright, I got a gripe (but what else is new, right?)...
I want to know why Munch never has anymore cases (Well, atleast ones
that they show), I mean I think he's pretty good.. perhaps he's a bit
boring at times, but he has some dry humor on occasion, and he acts more
like a real cop when investigating a homicide, I mean.. he's no Frank
Pembleton in the box, and he doesn't clear all his cases like Howard.
The actor that plays him (damnit, I can't remember his name right now)
is actually a pretty good stand-up comedian. What's with NBC anyway?
I mean, sure I was sick of hearing him stick up for the Stan "the big
man" and Crossetti before that.. but that's just how Munch is.. If you
remeber and old episode with him and Stan.. the one where he had to stay
with that kid on Christmas, becuase his father was murdered... you'll
see the otherside of John Munch.
But hey, it's only t.v., right? LOL
But ya gotta admit, it is the best damn show on tv!

Lataz,
Cobra


Theplotter

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May 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/6/98
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Cobra, just gonna tell you that you're preaching to the choir here. ::grin::
I'd just like you all to know that when the next Homicide Live rolls around,
I'll be the goth chick in the black t-shirt with Munch on This painted really
badly on the back of it....

Support your local curmudgeon!

Love,
Plotter
RMC
"If you call me a sci-fi writer, I will come to your house and nail your pet's
head to the table." -Harlan Ellison.

judith lawrence

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May 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/6/98
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I agree, too. I think the actor and the character are great. I wish they'd
give him more to do than just sit around and make remarks. However,
every-thing seems to be going towards making HLOTS into the "Jon Seda Show".

--
Judy L Uni...@gte.net
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fred...@dowco.com

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If you like Belzer's work as Det. John Munch, then I highly recommend you check out

some of his earlier work , notably; his standup routines (try your local video
store for
"Catch a Rising Star's 10th Anniversary" if they've got it) "#@&$ing cowboy actor
is
President and I'm supposed to sleep at night without drugs!"; the cult classic
"the Groove
Tube" (also available on video); and the Dick Ballantine("the best looking guy on
radio")
bits from National Lampoon's "That's Not Funny, That's Sick!" comedy album.

Hey! No sampling the Brown 35(tm).

Cobrabite wrote:

> I think it's great that there are more Munch fans out there.. (I was begining
> to think I was the only weird one). I loved the episode where Jerry Orbach
> (Lenny -I forget his last name- from L&O) gueststared in the subway firebombing
> ep... and Munch and him were arguing about Munch's x-wife.. In my opinon,
> Beltzer and Orbach make a great team... I would like to see them work more
> together in the future..
>
> (Please pardon me for the memory losses -names-, after all... I'm only human,
> RIGHT?)
>
> Lataz,
> Cobra


Cobrabite

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May 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/7/98
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Todd

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On Thu, 07 May 1998 00:57:36 -0400, Cobrabite <cobr...@javanet.com>
thus spake:

>I think it's great that there are more Munch fans out there.. (I was begining
>to think I was the only weird one). I loved the episode where Jerry Orbach
>(Lenny -I forget his last name- from L&O) gueststared in the subway firebombing
>ep... and Munch and him were arguing about Munch's x-wife.. In my opinon,
>Beltzer and Orbach make a great team... I would like to see them work more
>together in the future..
>

Speaking of Orbach, his reaction to his daughter's murder really rang
true tonight. If you watch his reaction, he loses his balance the way
someone who's just received traumatic news would. He's one more
reason why that show continues to be outstanding.

Todd

Lynn

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May 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/7/98
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In article <35514f1...@news.mindspring.com>,
t-w...@writeme.com (Todd) wrote:

>
>Speaking of Orbach, his reaction to his daughter's murder really rang
>true tonight. If you watch his reaction, he loses his balance the way
>someone who's just received traumatic news would. He's one more
>reason why that show continues to be outstanding.
>
>Todd

I haven't been following it this year. There seems to be a lot more
personal stuff going on. I had it on tonight, but more as background
noise. I lurked the L&O ng, and the big question seems to be: Is anyone
coming back next year?

Lynn

Carolyn Marie

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May 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/7/98
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And the Net came alive with a thousand voices fighting to be heard, and one of
them named Todd connected to me:

>
> Speaking of Orbach, his reaction to his daughter's murder really rang
> true tonight. If you watch his reaction, he loses his balance the way
> someone who's just received traumatic news would. He's one more
> reason why that show continues to be outstanding.
>

Yep! Looks like I'll have to start watching L&O again; I knew Briscoe had a
daughter, but I'd missed the whole druggie nurse storyline. It's a tribute to
Orbach, though, that even though I didn't know how or what was going on with her I
was devastated at his reaction to her death. He'd fit in fine at 'Homicide',
although I don't suppose he wants to leave NYC. He does theatrical benefits and
stuff occasionally and he's happy to be part of the theatre crowd.

Carolyn
RC Theatric, Minister of Baroque Flourishes

"I am not deliciously saucy." - Blackboard punishment for Bart Simpson

Carrie Pruett

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May 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/7/98
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Lynn <en...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<6irqot$e...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>...



>
> I haven't been following it this year. There seems to be a lot more
> personal stuff going on. I had it on tonight, but more as background
> noise. I lurked the L&O ng, and the big question seems to be: Is anyone
> coming back next year?

I've heard Lowell and maybe Bratt are gone...interesting, there's
been a lot of talk of Chris Noth maybe joining the cast of HLOTS as
Logan or even as a new character. Maybe he and Briscoe could
be a new pair.

Seriously, might there be any possibility that Noth, at least,
would joing our crew? It's not like he's been getting all
these great film roles. Anyone know why he left L&O
(I hear he was fired.)
>
--
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Dana H. Myers K6JQ

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May 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/7/98
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In article <35514f1...@news.mindspring.com>,
t-w...@writeme.com wrote:

> Speaking of Orbach, his reaction to his daughter's murder really rang
> true tonight. If you watch his reaction, he loses his balance the way
> someone who's just received traumatic news would. He's one more
> reason why that show continues to be outstanding.

Even though that scene initially struck me as mildly obvious, the
way it was done made it one of the finest moments I've seen on
television this year (perhaps in several years). To be fair, the
entire ep was strong and probably had a lot to do with creating
a mind-frame that enhanced the final scene, but, even in isolation
the scene is a gem. The entertainment industry often does a very, very
poor job of portraying death and grief, which is, IMHO, nearly
pornographic. The exceptions are rare, but this one was stellar. I
hope that L&O will gives us some glimpses of Briscoe's grief over
time.

Of course, L&O has been through numerous cast and character changes
over the years, and has rarely produced lemons. Like many people,
I grumbled when Chris Noth was replaced by the (somewhat Falsone-like)
Benjamin Bratt, and I wasn't immediately charmed by Sam Waterston (I
admit I was tickled to see J.K. Simmons back as Dr. Emil Skoda). In
the end, though, this program is an amazing ensemble work.

Dana K6JQ
Da...@Source.Net

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Lynn

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May 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/7/98
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In article <01bd79d4$c46f5460$39f3...@userid.student.wlu.edu>,
"Carrie Pruett" <pru...@wlu.edu> wrote:

>
>
>
>Lynn <en...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
><6irqot$e...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>...
>

>>[snip]

>>I lurked the L&O ng, and the big question seems to be: Is anyone
>> coming back next year?
>

>I've heard Lowell and maybe Bratt are gone...interesting,. . .

If Bratt leaves, I'll start watching again. Bratt and Lowell are the two
characters I can't stand. None of the other cast changes ever bothered me,
but these two made both the "law" and the "order" unwatchable.

> . . .there's


>been a lot of talk of Chris Noth maybe joining the cast of HLOTS as
>Logan or even as a new character. Maybe he and Briscoe could
>be a new pair.

I think "all the talk" has been on ngs, tho. I haven't read anything
"official". NYPD fans want him to replace Smits, too.



>
>Seriously, might there be any possibility that Noth, at least,
>would joing our crew? It's not like he's been getting all
>these great film roles. Anyone know why he left L&O
>(I hear he was fired.)
>>

It was time to renew his contract; he wanted a raise; the next thing he
knew - unemployment line. I think the official line was, he just got
caught up in the normal turnover.

Lynn

Allen Wilson

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May 7, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/7/98
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> If you could watch Lennie's reaction to his daughter's murder without tears
> in your eyes, you're just an old Falsone. It was so understated...the
> stumbling, the numb look, the trembling lip. No histrionics, no melodrama.

BTW. What's the address for the L&O ng? Thanks.

Debbie Wilson


MGilli4994

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May 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/8/98
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> Speaking of Orbach, his reaction to his daughter's murder really rang
> true tonight. If you watch his reaction, he loses his balance the way
> someone who's just received traumatic news would. He's one more
> reason why that show continues to be outstanding.

I am used to seeing Orbach's stellar turns in live theatre. That he can
transfer to the small screen and be so affecting in a different style says to
me that he is one of the rare breed to which Braugher belongs: not just a good
actor, but a great one.

SReed151

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May 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/8/98
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Hey, just a general note on Jerry Orbach.
Not only is he a swell actor, but he's definately the nicest actor I ran into
while working in NYC a few years ago. Totally professional, very friendly, hard
working.

*sob*

I love that man!


Shannon Corridor at SReed151
"Shannon...she's a great girl...she's a little flakey..." - Bayliss

Dave Locke

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May 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/8/98
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Debbie Wilson cast forth electrons:

> BTW. What's the address for the L&O ng? Thanks.

It's just down the block at alt.tv.law-and-order.

--
Dave Locke | linkm...@homicidefans.org
Homicide: Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"We only do links." Start here for references to all matters H:LotS.


Keith J. DeRenzo

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May 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/8/98
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In article <01bd79d4$c46f5460$39f3...@userid.student.wlu.edu>,
"Carrie Pruett" <pru...@wlu.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Lynn <en...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
> <6irqot$e...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>...
>
>
>
> Seriously, might there be any possibility that Noth, at least,
> would joing our crew? It's not like he's been getting all
> these great film roles. Anyone know why he left L&O
> (I hear he was fired.)
>

Yeah. And then Frank could go back to New York. He and Logan could pass
each other in the train station and do a reverse version of their Baltimore
vs. NYC argument.

Maybe they could do that backwards recording trick like in Twin Peaks. David
Lynch could direct, and Falsone could be the midget...

Not that it would have ever fit the H:LOTS "world", but I would love to have
seen David Lynch write/direct a first season episode. With that cast? That
would make a killer episode of *something*.

"Polito, Belzer and Beatty steal the show, and EVERYTHING catches on fire as
David Lynch guest directs on Homicide: Life on the Street."

Tangently Yours,
Keith

Lauren Koons

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May 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/8/98
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SReed151 (sree...@aol.com) wrote:
: Hey, just a general note on Jerry Orbach.

: Not only is he a swell actor, but he's definately the nicest actor I ran into
: while working in NYC a few years ago. Totally professional, very friendly, hard
: working.
:
: *sob*
:
: I love that man!

wow. lucky you. and I'm right there with you on lovin' this man! I keep
hoping that the day when I finally get to meet him I won't be so
tongue-tied as I was when I saw Nathan Lane and Chris Noth. Jerry Orbach
is the definition of cool. and he's a pretty good singer too.

--

--Lauren, aka RC Buffy, and Snarky Spice--


--
from the Quotable Mike Logan, in re: New York City :-)

Tennis coach: "There's a million kooks out there."
Logan: "And that's not counting the other 4 boroughs."

TyraTree

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lk...@is5.nyu.edu (Lauren Koons) wrote:

>Jerry Orbach
>is the definition of cool. and he's a pretty good singer too.

--
Wonderful. I'm glad I'm old enough to have seen Orbach as the original 'El
Gallo' in The Fantasticks; I've even got the original LP* of the show. One of
the character's songs is "Rape"...controversial even in its time....and Jerry
is sarcastically brilliant in its delivery. The show is still running, some 35
years later, off-Broadway....but I don't think I'd want to see it again without
J.O.

[* LP = short for Long-Playing Recording, for those of you with moisture behind
the ears, known these days simply as 'vinyl.' Enough OTOT.....]

Tyra

keep@nospam

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On Thu, 07 May 1998 00:57:36 -0400, Cobrabite <cobr...@javanet.com>
wrote:

>I think it's great that there are more Munch fans out there.. (I was begining
>to think I was the only weird one). I loved the episode where Jerry Orbach
>(Lenny -I forget his last name- from L&O)

Det. Lenny Briscoe. And.. there's talk he may not re-up on L&O. Move
to HLOTS?

John

sam...@nospam.generation.net

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Hum... I was actually thinking of him as Munch's new partner! That
would be an interesting challenge for the writers, and we might recover
some of the Munch from the Bolander days.

Sampson

Ehrhead

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May 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/8/98
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Quoth Lauren:

>Jerry Orbach
>is the definition of cool. and he's a pretty good singer too.

Yeah, but every time I think of Jerry Orbach singing, that evil (note:
NOT evol) song gets in my head and won't leave...

Be our guest be our guest put our service to the test... over and over
and over and...

Ehrhead
Seeking medical help

Ehrhead
"Perception is reality to those who don't know what reality really is." -- Don King

Paul Smircich

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May 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/9/98
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Is it just my imagination or has Richard Belzer been getting fewer lines
each week? He`s always been one of my favorite characters on the show.

Theplotter

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May 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/9/98
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He's been getting fewer lines. It's all my fault. I gotta cut him some
slack. I mean, he's not just around for a DNA supply for my labs, now is he?
Good Gods. Did I just try to grow an ethical neuron?
<*CHOMP!*>

Seriously, NBC. Use him next year, okay? Cause Calzone <spit!> has all the
humor and charm of my father's unwashed undies.

Todd

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On 09 May 1998 05:33:14 GMT, thepl...@aol.com (Theplotter) thus
spake:

> Seriously, NBC. Use him next year, okay? Cause Calzone <spit!> has all the
>humor and charm of my father's unwashed undies.
>
>Love,
> Plotter

Are your father's undies lumpy?

Todd

JOSEPH D BROWN

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May 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/9/98
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I agree, they have reduced Munch to not much more than comic relief. I am
trying to think of some scenes when Munch has a suspect in the box, I
can't. I know there must be some. Probably when his old girlfriend got
killed. Hell, you hardly ever see Munch working on a case. They have
really let his character go. WE DEMAND MORE AND BETTER QUALITY MUNCH
TIME!!.


ssch...@accesscomm.net

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In article <199805081834...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

tyra...@aol.com (TyraTree) wrote:
>
>
> [* LP = short for Long-Playing Recording, for those of you with moisture
behind
> the ears, known these days simply as 'vinyl.' Enough OTOT.....]
>
> Tyra
>

You want to show your age? Be like me and call the place where one purchases
CDs a "record store". It kind of fun to say it to young'uns--they have no
idea what you're talking about. But really, what are you supposed to call
them? To me, "CD store" doesn't roll off the tongue, and "music store" is
where you buy sheet music.

Kristin
RHC

John Ritzert

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Hear Hear! My favorite non-Frank box scene is Munch with the Poe fanatic.

Kim

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Debbie Wilson wrote:
>
> > What does "evol" mean?
>

>From the fifth season episode "Diener":

Meldrick: And you know what else, Frank? Love spelled backwards is
'evol.' E-v-o-l.
Frank: That's not love spelled backwards. That's live spelled backwards.
Meldrick: Cut me some poetic slack, will ya, Frank?

Evol always,
Kim
RCG

Allen Wilson

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May 10, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/10/98
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> What does "evol" mean?

debbie wilson

Allen Wilson

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> Dear Dave, Thanks. That address makes sense. Maybe that's why I
> couldn't think of it.

debbie wilson

Michael F. Coyle

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ssch...@accesscomm.net wrote in message
<6j2fg9$nj1$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>In article <199805081834...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> tyra...@aol.com (TyraTree) wrote:
>>
>> [* LP = short for Long-Playing Recording, for those of you with moisture
>behind
>> the ears, known these days simply as 'vinyl.' Enough OTOT.....]
>
>You want to show your age? Be like me and call the place where one
purchases
>CDs a "record store". It kind of fun to say it to young'uns--they have no
>idea what you're talking about. But really, what are you supposed to call
>them? To me, "CD store" doesn't roll off the tongue, and "music store" is
>where you buy sheet music.


You *really* want to show your age? Call then "albums." This dates back to
the days of 78s, which had a very short playing time (3-5 minutes each).
For a long work like a symphony you needed perhaps half a dozen records.
These came in large bound books with a separate sleeve for each record, just
like a photo album, hence the name. Even when LPs came along, with just a
simple cardboard sleeve, the name stuck.

Enough OT. Now back to Homicide! (Did you know there's a book...?)

- Michael, who is too young to know this stuff, but has seen actual record
albums.


Lauren Koons

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Michael F. Coyle (mjc...@erols.com) wrote:
:
: - Michael, who is too young to know this stuff, but has seen actual
: record albums.

oh, you mean those big black CDs???? and how young are you that you are
too young to know this stuff???

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