"Junior Bunk, Junior Bunk."-Meldrick Lewis
CCH37
Ray/Frank quitting/Bayliss getting shot/Baltimore erupts into war episodes?
Patrick Hynes
>Does anyone have or know where I can find a copy of the Junior Bunk/Georgia
>Ray/Frank quitting/Bayliss getting shot/Baltimore erupts into war episodes?
>
TVFan's recycling bin?
--Patrick
TVFan87656
No way! Fallen Heroes was one of my introductions into Homicide. Even though
some moments lapse into stupidity, it's Andre Braugher's best performance, each
and every scene involving Bayliss (even before the shooting, remember that
scene in the Box with Georgia Rae's limo driver?) is classic, and the shootout
itself is a jolt.
If anyone wants a damaged, smashed, soon to be recycled copy of Deception or
Birthday, *that* I can give you.
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Bender: Leela, meet Sal.
Sal: Nice eyeball, eyeball.
Leela: Nice ass, ass.
"Futurama", 2/13/00
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Patrick Hynes
>phy...@bestweb.net (Patrick Hynes) wrote:
>>
>>On 27 Feb 2000 01:45:41 GMT, cc...@aol.com (CCH37) wrote:
>>
>>>Does anyone have or know where I can find a copy of the Junior Bunk/Georgia
>>>Ray/Frank quitting/Bayliss getting shot/Baltimore erupts into war episodes?
>>>
>>TVFan's recycling bin?
>
>No way! Fallen Heroes was one of my introductions into Homicide. Even though
>some moments lapse into stupidity, it's Andre Braugher's best performance, each
>and every scene involving Bayliss (even before the shooting, remember that
>scene in the Box with Georgia Rae's limo driver?) is classic, and the shootout
>itself is a jolt.
>
>If anyone wants a damaged, smashed, soon to be recycled copy of Deception or
>Birthday, *that* I can give you.
>
Sorry. I knew better than to think "Fallen Heroes" would be in your
bin. But your views on the rest of the Georgia Rae arc are well
known, so I couldn't resist.
Overinclusively, Patrick
Kay
TVFan87656 wrote:
> phy...@bestweb.net (Patrick Hynes) wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >On 27 Feb 2000 01:45:41 GMT, cc...@aol.com (CCH37) wrote:
> >
> >>Does anyone have or know where I can find a copy of the Junior Bunk/Georgia
> >>Ray/Frank quitting/Bayliss getting shot/Baltimore erupts into war episodes?
> >>
> >TVFan's recycling bin?
>
> No way! Fallen Heroes was one of my introductions into Homicide. Even though
> some moments lapse into stupidity, it's Andre Braugher's best performance, each
> and every scene involving Bayliss (even before the shooting, remember that
> scene in the Box with Georgia Rae's limo driver?) is classic, and the shootout
> itself is a jolt.
I agree with everything you said here except the comment that Fallen Heroes was
Andre Braugher's best performance... did I hear you right? Surely you meant to
say maybe that it was his best performance of the 6th season... something like
that, right? But not his best performance ever....
-Kay
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TVFan87656
>Sorry. I knew better than to think "Fallen Heroes" would be in your
>bin. But your views on the rest of the Georgia Rae arc are well
>known, so I couldn't resist.
Don't apologize, please, any opportunity to mention how much I loathe Georgia
Rae is worth it.
Simply another reason why "Fallen Heroes" is decent, because Georgia Rae is
nowhere to be found, yet we still get to find out she was brutally murdered.
What's more satisfying than that?
TVFan87656
>I agree with everything you said here except the comment that Fallen Heroes
>was
>Andre Braugher's best performance... did I hear you right? Surely you meant
>to
>say maybe that it was his best performance of the 6th season... something
>like
>that, right? But not his best performance ever....
In the history of his career? Possibly not. On Homicide? If it isn't the best,
it comes very close.
So many of the acclaimed Braugher performances didn't impress me, particularly
his season 4 theatrics and that "For God and Country" atrocity. The tics and
mannerisms are all showiness and wear thin.
My favorite Braugher performances are "Black and Blue", "Colors", "Hostage 1",
"Hostage 2", "Double Blind", and "Fallen Heroes 2". Out of that batch, I lean
toward "Fallen Heroes 2". His last scenes with Mary and Gee, ripping off the
bulletproof vest, handing in his badge, and that brilliant final moment of
holding Tim's hand. He's superb, and even the memory of those scenes sends a
chill down my spine.
Kay
TVFan87656 wrote:
> Kay wrote:
>
> >I agree with everything you said here except the comment that Fallen Heroes
> >was
> >Andre Braugher's best performance... did I hear you right? Surely you meant
> >to
> >say maybe that it was his best performance of the 6th season... something
> >like
> >that, right? But not his best performance ever....
>
> In the history of his career? Possibly not. On Homicide? If it isn't the best,
> it comes very close.
>
> So many of the acclaimed Braugher performances didn't impress me, particularly
> his season 4 theatrics and that "For God and Country" atrocity. The tics and
> mannerisms are all showiness and wear thin.
I don't think "For God and Country" was one of his best performances, but I did
like it more than many others here did it seems.... on the other hand, I haven't
seen that episode in years, so maybe I'd have a different opinion if I watched it
again.
>
>
> My favorite Braugher performances are "Black and Blue", "Colors", "Hostage 1",
> "Hostage 2", "Double Blind", and "Fallen Heroes 2". Out of that batch, I lean
> toward "Fallen Heroes 2".
Okay, I understand a little better now... All the episodes you mentioned feature
outstanding performances by Braugher(they would be my top picks as well), I won't
disagree with that... it just so happens that you think his performance in Fallen
Heroes was just a bit better than in those other episodes... I can understand
that, although I tend to lean towards Black and Blue being his best performance.
I also thought he was great in the movie, much more understated, but very typical
Frank Pembleton.
> His last scenes with Mary and Gee, ripping off the
> bulletproof vest, handing in his badge, and that brilliant final moment of
> holding Tim's hand. He's superb, and even the memory of those scenes sends a
> chill down my spine.
Yes, those are all great scenes and I was extremely moved by them, especially with
the knowledge that this was to be his last performance on Homicide... it was
pretty emotional.
Laurel Krahn
> In the history of his career? Possibly not. On Homicide? If it isn't the best,
> it comes very close.
>
> So many of the acclaimed Braugher performances didn't impress me, particularly
> his season 4 theatrics and that "For God and Country" atrocity. The tics and
> mannerisms are all showiness and wear thin.
Well, I think I like some of his season 4 performances and "For God and
Country" better than you do. God&Country is too far over the top in spots,
or at least the writing makes it that way, alas.
> My favorite Braugher performances are "Black and Blue", "Colors", "Hostage 1",
> "Hostage 2", "Double Blind", and "Fallen Heroes 2". Out of that batch, I lean
> toward "Fallen Heroes 2". His last scenes with Mary and Gee, ripping off the
> bulletproof vest, handing in his badge, and that brilliant final moment of
> holding Tim's hand. He's superb, and even the memory of those scenes sends a
> chill down my spine.
I like all of these, of course, quite a bit.
And let's not forget that Andre did *finally* win his Emmy for "Fallen
Heroes, part 2". And rightly so.
I also get chills when I think of those sequences.
(Hmm, think it's time to watch those episodes again, it's been a while . . .
)
--
Laurel @ www.windowseat.org
TVFan87656
>
>Well, I think I like some of his season 4 performances and "For God and
>Country" better than you do. God&Country is too far over the top in spots,
>or at least the writing makes it that way, alas.
The writing and those cheesy flashbacks to the church bombing don't help. The
very sad case that has haunted Frank for years, even though he never mentioned
or hinted at this case on the show. Puhleeze. The actors were apparently
directed to fly far off the map, because even JK Simmons goes overboard.
At the time I began to wonder if Braugher was walking through season 4, because
most of the performances were watchable, but had little depth. Sometimes
they're so smug, incredibly one-note. That season would have been so much
better if Frankentim weren't shoved down our throats. That was one of the first
signs of the apocalypse for Homicide, and I can think of more than one ep that
didn't need them as primary.
Laurel Krahn
> At the time I began to wonder if Braugher was walking through season 4,
> because
> most of the performances were watchable, but had little depth. Sometimes
> they're so smug, incredibly one-note. That season would have been so much
> better if Frankentim weren't shoved down our throats. That was one of the
> first
> signs of the apocalypse for Homicide, and I can think of more than one ep that
> didn't need them as primary.
Well . . . to refresh my memory I went to ye olde episode guide to see what
episodes were in season 4 (and to figure how much Frankentim there was).
Here we go:
Fire (part 1)
Fire (part 2)
Each of these had plenty o' Kellerman as he was being introduced. But the
arson was also FrankenTim's case, of course, they led the show. And then
there was the subplot with Kay and Munch taking the Sgts exam.
Autofocus
Primarily a Lewis and Kellerman case, their first together. Kay's now a Sgt
and tries adjusting to that. The gang's relocated across the street to the
bank (and Frank don't like that). Frank's nervous re Mary's pregnancy.
Brodie's introduced.
Thrill of the Kill
Redball involving a thrillkiller, FBI brings the case to the department.
Everyone works the case, but Frank and Tim do lead the investigation. Gee's
daughter visits.
Hate Crimes
One of my faves largely because there's a good mix here-- a good FrankenTim
case *and* a good Meldrick/Mikey case (or should I say Kay case?). Plus
Brodie is hired. And Turkey day plans.
A Doll's Eyes
A big FrankenTim case, tho in a way it's just as much about the parents of
the kid that's hurt.
Heartbeat
A Munch/Kay case for the most part. Plus the bits re Bayliss spilling the
beans re Mary's pregnancy.
Sniper (part 1)
Sniper (part 2)
Yeah, mostly Frank and Tim lead the charge on this red ball, too. Russert
has some good scenes, tho, too.
The Hat
A Mikey/Meldrick episode. With subplots for Munch, Brodie, and Gee. The
videotape thing with Munch 'n Brodie. Gee being passed over for a
promotion.
I've Got a Secret
Looks like it might be a Mikey/Meldrick episode, but then there's a big old
storyline for Frankentim, too. Plus Munch nosing into Kay's lovelife. A
better than usual mix, tho, for this season.
For God and Country
Mostly a FrankenTim episode, but with comic relief by Munch and Briscoe,
natch, since it's a Lawn Order crossover.
Justice (part 1)
Justice (part 2)
More of a Russert, Munch, Kellerman, Meldrick case, with a grilled cheese
subplot for FrankenTim.
Stakeout
Everyone's involved in this one, God bless it.
Requiem for Adena
FrankenTim. Well Frank wants to work sans Tim, but we know how that goes.
And Brodie's in love with Kay.
Full Moon
Mikey 'n Meldrick! (with a small dose of Munch).
Scene of the Crime
Mikey 'n Meldrick have the main case, with Russert and Munch on the other
one.
Map of the Heart
FrankenTim get this yucky case, alas. Kellerman tries to catch the lunch
bandit.
The Damage Done
Mikey 'n Meldrick meet Luther Mahoney.
The Wedding
Gee and Kay work a case while the rest of the gang prepares for Meldrick's
wedding.
Work Related
FrankenTim have a case, so do Lewis and Kellerman. Then a stroke for Frank
and his case is taken over by Munch and Russert.
Lessee here . . .
Mikey-n-Meldrick are clearly the focus of: Autofocus, The Hat, Full Moon,
Scene of the Crime, and The Damage Done. Plus have strong storylines in
Hate Crimes, I've Got a Secret, Justice 1&2, Work Related. Kellerman does
in Fire 1&2.
But FrankenTim lead the charge in more. Still it's not as lopsided as I
thought it was before I went and checked.
anyway. for whatever it's worth,
--
Laurel
TVFan87656
>
>Here we go:
>
>Fire (part 1)
>Fire (part 2)
>
>Each of these had plenty o' Kellerman as he was being introduced. But the
>arson was also FrankenTim's case, of course, they led the show. And then
>there was the subplot with Kay and Munch taking the Sgts exam.
>
The incredibly small subplot with Kay's sergeant's exam. This two-parter would
probably get my vote for worst Frank episodes, at least until season 6. "A
Doll's Eyes" comes close.
>
>Lessee here . . .
>
>
>Mikey-n-Meldrick are clearly the focus of: Autofocus, The Hat, Full Moon,
>Scene of the Crime, and The Damage Done. Plus have strong storylines in
>Hate Crimes, I've Got a Secret, Justice 1&2, Work Related. Kellerman does
>in Fire 1&2.
>
Kellerman isn't in Justice 1. Does Work Related count as a major story for
them? They have a handful of scenes about Meldrick's marriage and the bowling
ball, but most of this ep is devoted to Frankentim.
>
>But FrankenTim lead the charge in more. Still it's not as lopsided as I
>thought it was before I went and checked.
>
>anyway. for whatever it's worth,
>
It's still incredibly lopsided. Not only because of the caseload, but because
Frankentim became this superefficient team who could do little wrong and
managed to close every case in sight, or at least to find the killer. This is
when the overdone redballs began in full force. The ensemble feel beginning to
fade in season 3 falls apart completely, with Munch, Kay, Gee, and Russert
clearly supporting characters.
Season 4 has many wonderful eps, but the flaws are established, begin to slowly
build, and reached critical mass a few years later.
Tryan6
>It's still incredibly lopsided. Not only because of the caseload, but because
>Frankentim became this superefficient team who could do little wrong and
>managed to close every case in sight, or at least to find the killer. This is
>when the overdone redballs began in full force. The ensemble feel beginning
>to
>fade in season 3 falls apart completely, with Munch, Kay, Gee, and Russert
>clearly supporting characters.
>
>Season 4 has many wonderful eps, but the flaws are established, begin to
>slowly
>build, and reached critical mass a few years later.
>
According to most experts on the field of homicide investigation, most notably,
Vernon Geberth, it takes approximately three years for a homicide detective to
really come into his own and start reaching his/her potential if any exists.
Frankentim would have just been hitting their stride and truly become
comfortable with working together as a true partnership by the time season 4
came rolling around. Tim would have started to become a much more confident
detective and started to perfect his own style of doing things and Frank would
have started to become comfortable with what his partner was doing. this would
have made for a superefficient team, a team that could act without even so much
as a second glance at each other because they *knew* how each other would react
to each situation.
As for this happening in real life, I know a homicide detective that is much
like Frank.
He's somewhat aloof, has his own set ways of doing things and way is the right
way, this often clashes with those he works with, but he also happens to a have
a 94% homicide clearance rate over the last ten years and is probably the most
respected detective in the area. There are just people in this life that are
very good at somethings and there's just no slipping them up.
Jamie
Kayleigh19
>The Damage Done
>Mikey 'n Meldrick meet Luther Mahoney.
You know, this phrase sums up the whole Mahoney arc, right here.
Kayleigh
Pamela Rose
>
> My favorite Braugher performances are "Black and Blue", "Colors", "Hostage 1",
> "Hostage 2", "Double Blind", and "Fallen Heroes 2". Out of that batch, I lean
> toward "Fallen Heroes 2". His last scenes with Mary and Gee, ripping off the
> bulletproof vest, handing in his badge, and that brilliant final moment of
> holding Tim's hand. He's superb, and even the memory of those scenes sends a
> chill down my spine.
It's strange how I usually disagree with you on overall concepts but
almost always agree with you on specifics. Obviously, I like the
abundance of Frankentim in the 4th season and never saw the
downside--but I agree totally with your picks of best Braugher
performances. We've got to stop meeting minds like this; people will
talk.
--
Pamela
Pamela Rose
>
> And let's not forget that Andre did *finally* win his Emmy for "Fallen
> Heroes, part 2". And rightly so.
For some reason I thought he won for "Subway." But "Fallen Heroes" is
much better.
--
Pamela
Laurel Krahn
I think a lot of us made the assumption that that's what he submitted and
was nominated for, etc. And while it was nominated in other categories,
according to the Emmy database, Braugher submitted Fallen Heroes 1&2 for
their consideration. A fine choice. I think plenty of folks might've gone
with the showier stuff of Subway, but it wasn't his best performance.
--
Laurel
TVFan87656
>A fine choice. I think plenty of folks might've gone
>with the showier stuff of Subway, but it wasn't his best performance.
Not by far. Those show-off, formulaic Yoshimura scripts (where Clark Johnson
practically has, "I'm the comic relief, laugh at me" stenciled on his forehead)
never served any performers well. After all the scenery-chewing in "Subway" and
"Lines of Fire", I'm surprised there were any sets left. How could the man who
wrote "Crosetti" and "Son of a Gun" churn out such overrated crap? Months and
months of hearing how fantastic Subway was, my viewing of it came and went, and
the next night I realized the quasi-maligned "All Is Bright" was a far better
written and acted episode.
Andre made a wise choice in submitting Fallen Heroes 2, few of his performances
punch you in the stomach the way that performance does. The closest comparison
is his tantrum in "Hostage 2" after Mary tries to take Olivia, then he begins
sobbing. Even if you wanted to forget, there's no way those emotions will leave
you for a long time.
TVFan87656
>It's strange how I usually disagree with you on overall concepts but
>almost always agree with you on specifics.
We don't always have to disagree on concepts.
Thanks to Falsone, bad writing, and Ballard, most of season 6 sucked.
Falsone, Ballard, Sheppard, Gee. Jr, and more bad writing killed a great deal
of season 7.
See? We can agree on concepts. Now the next step is to repeat after me:
"Frankentim are good partners, but they got far too much airtime and I'd much
rather watch Beau/Kay."
Pamela Rose
>
> Pamela Rose pr...@infohwy.com wrote:
>
> >It's strange how I usually disagree with you on overall concepts but
> >almost always agree with you on specifics.
>
> We don't always have to disagree on concepts.
>
> Thanks to Falsone, bad writing, and Ballard, most of season 6 sucked.
See, now we disagree again. Not that 6 sucked in comparison with 1-5,
but that compared to 7, it was brilliant.
> Falsone, Ballard, Sheppard, Gee. Jr, and more bad writing killed a great deal
> of season 7.
It killed all but about 4 eps, which is all I can stand to rewatch of
season 7. For me, it's just the opposite of 6, where I can rewatch all
but about 3 eps without getting bored and/or nauseous. The 3 stinkers:
"Abduction," "Shaken Not Stirred" and "Baby It's You." The rest have
problems, but are still bearable.
As for season 7, except for "Forgive Us Our Trespasses," "Shades of
Gray," "Zen and the Art of Murder," and, of course, "Identity Crisis,"
the rest make my teeth ache. "The Same Coin" and "The Twenty Percent
Solution" are just barely passable if I fast forward a lot.
> See? We can agree on concepts. Now the next step is to repeat after me:
> "Frankentim are good partners, but they got far too much airtime and I'd much
> rather watch Beau/Kay."
Torture me by sticking me in a room with Falsone and a peach, and I
still would never say there was too much Frankentim.
--
Pamela
Msongbird
>TVFan87656 wrote:
>>
>> Pamela Rose pr...@infohwy.com wrote:
>>
>> >It's strange how I usually disagree with you on overall concepts but
>> >almost always agree with you on specifics.
>>
>> We don't always have to disagree on concepts.
>>
>> Thanks to Falsone, bad writing, and Ballard, most of season 6 sucked.
>
>See, now we disagree again. Not that 6 sucked in comparison with 1-5,
>but that compared to 7, it was brilliant.
>
>> Falsone, Ballard, Sheppard, Gee. Jr, and more bad writing killed a great
>deal
>> of season 7.
>
>It killed all but about 4 eps, which is all I can stand to rewatch of
>season 7. For me, it's just the opposite of 6, where I can rewatch all
>but about 3 eps without getting bored and/or nauseous. The 3 stinkers:
>"Abduction," "Shaken Not Stirred" and "Baby It's You." The rest have
>problems, but are still bearable.
>
>As for season 7, except for "Forgive Us Our Trespasses," "Shades of
>Gray," "Zen and the Art of Murder," and, of course, "Identity Crisis,"
>the rest make my teeth ache. "The Same Coin" and "The Twenty Percent
>Solution" are just barely passable if I fast forward a lot.
>
I have to agree. I've heard favorable comments about Red, Red Wine, but I have
fallen asleep watching it not once, but twice. I still have Shades of Gray to
look forward to watching. But Season 7 just stunk. Sometime it felt like
watching one of those Brady Bunch reunions where there was a substitution for
one of the children.
--
Martha K.
TVFan87656
>
>
>I have to agree. I've heard favorable comments about Red, Red Wine, but I
>have
>fallen asleep watching it not once, but twice. I still have Shades of Gray
>to
>look forward to watching. But Season 7 just stunk. Sometime it felt like
>watching one of those Brady Bunch reunions where there was a substitution for
>one of the children.
Compared to season 6, which felt like being trapped in Jonestown, without the
spiked Koolaid to make viewers feel better.
Season 7 stunk, but it did have some good episodes, and Austin Pendleton was a
great addition. As much as I loathed Meldrick's role in the Sheppard beatdown
fiasco, he did have individual good moments in several eps. In season 6 he
vanished for nearly half a season and orchestrated drug wars.
A season that produced Ballard, "Birthday", "Blood Ties 1", "Saigon Rose", the
Falsone kid custody storyline, and Georgia Rae Mahoney is not the bottom of the
barrel, it's the mud underneath the bottom of the barrel. In terms of
individual episodes, season 6 has some winners, but the season as a whole
sucks.
I've never fallen asleep to Homicide, but I have fast-forwarded once or twice,
and that's "Pit Bull Sessions", the Frank/Falsone conversations. No wonder
Andre fled at the end of the season.
Laurel Krahn
The scary thing is after reading what Pamela Rose and TVFan and others are
saying re seasons 6 and 7, after seeing these debates in quality (or lack
thereof) of both . . .
now I'm thinking I need to rewatch season 6 and 7.
What's come over me?
First up, I think I need to reacquaint myself with seasons 4 and 5, though.
Then I'll work on seeing season 6 and 7 episodes for a second time.
(Well, I've seen a handful of those episodes twice).
--
Laurel / www.windowseat.org
Martin Wallace
Msongbird wrote in message <20000303074311...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
>Pamela wrote
>>TVFan87656 wrote:
>>>
>>> Pamela Rose pr...@infohwy.com wrote:
>>>
>>> >It's strange how I usually disagree with you on overall concepts but
>>> >almost always agree with you on specifics.
>>>
>>> We don't always have to disagree on concepts.
>>>
>>> Thanks to Falsone, bad writing, and Ballard, most of season 6 sucked.
>>
>>See, now we disagree again. Not that 6 sucked in comparison with 1-5,
>>but that compared to 7, it was brilliant.
>>
>>> Falsone, Ballard, Sheppard, Gee. Jr, and more bad writing killed a great
>>deal
>>> of season 7.
>>
>>It killed all but about 4 eps, which is all I can stand to rewatch of
>>season 7. For me, it's just the opposite of 6, where I can rewatch all
>>but about 3 eps without getting bored and/or nauseous. The 3 stinkers:
>>"Abduction," "Shaken Not Stirred" and "Baby It's You." The rest have
>>problems, but are still bearable.
>>
>>As for season 7, except for "Forgive Us Our Trespasses," "Shades of
>>Gray," "Zen and the Art of Murder," and, of course, "Identity Crisis,"
>>the rest make my teeth ache. "The Same Coin" and "The Twenty Percent
>>Solution" are just barely passable if I fast forward a lot.
>>
>
have
>fallen asleep watching it not once, but twice. I still have Shades of Gray
to
>look forward to watching. But Season 7 just stunk. Sometime it felt like
>watching one of those Brady Bunch reunions where there was a substitution
for
>one of the children.
>Martha K.
Can you imagine waking up some morning to find one of your children being
played by someone else?
Martin
Katy IJL
(ahem Once and Again and Dawson's Creek) it was pretty good.
Of course, this being Homicide, it sucked more than Monica Lewinsky.
Katy
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TVFan87656
>
>
>The scary thing is after reading what Pamela Rose and TVFan and others are
>saying re seasons 6 and 7, after seeing these debates in quality (or lack
>thereof) of both . . .
>
>now I'm thinking I need to rewatch season 6 and 7.
>
>What's come over me?
Massive anxiety attacks due to a lack of Ed Danvers memorabilia. Cheer up, you
might be able to get one of Governor Devlin's cigarette butts if "Oz" ever has
a prop sale.
>
>First up, I think I need to reacquaint myself with seasons 4 and 5, though.
>
>Then I'll work on seeing season 6 and 7 episodes for a second time.
>
>(Well, I've seen a handful of those episodes twice).
I could only get through most of the last 2 seasons once. The same goes for
parts of season 5, a few minutes of "White Lies", I remembered how boring and
over the top the Kellerman arson and Julianna visiting a man in jail stories
were, and I turned the channel. In it's favor, this ep did have a few
entertaining scenes between Kay and Brodie, and the Frankentim scenes are good.
Skip seasons 6 and 7, stay up for TV Land, and watch St. Elsewhere or Hill
Street Blues instead. Or even Petticoat Junction and Flip Wilson. You'll
probably get a lot more entertainment out of these shows than you will from
Homicide's last two years. Even better, you won't have to watch your favorite
characters acting in ways that make no sense and are done only to move the plot
along.
Peter F. DeMos
> I could only get through most of the last 2 seasons once.
and...
> Skip seasons 6 and 7,
I liked 6. I thought Mikey's inevitable roller coaster career death ride
was actually pretty compelling TB. You knew it wasn't going to end up
good, and I resented the heck out of it. But there was a lot of
malevolence, and some great acting by a number of people. I think the
reason why many don't like it is cuz that is the season Seda joined the
crew.
7 was hopeless, and I pretty much stopped watching it early in the
season. Started to play bridge on-line at night, and got more enjoyment
out of that, than watching butchered portrayals that I knew were finally
leading to the cancellation of the show :-(
peterd
To live is to dream. To die is to awaken. Please don't wake me up.
Carlos Santana - 2.23.00
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Pamela Rose
>
> TVFan87656 wrote, amongst other things
>
> > I could only get through most of the last 2 seasons once.
> and...
> > Skip seasons 6 and 7,
>
> I liked 6. I thought Mikey's inevitable roller coaster career death ride
> was actually pretty compelling TB. You knew it wasn't going to end up
> good, and I resented the heck out of it. But there was a lot of
> malevolence, and some great acting by a number of people. I think the
> reason why many don't like it is cuz that is the season Seda joined the
> crew.
>
> 7 was hopeless, and I pretty much stopped watching it early in the
> season. Started to play bridge on-line at night, and got more enjoyment
> out of that, than watching butchered portrayals that I knew were finally
> leading to the cancellation of the show :-(
Agreed. Season 6 still had plenty of meat left on the bone. By 7 even
the marrow had been sucked out. I, also, found Mike's slow descent into
hell intriguing. Painful, yes. I wanted to stop him heading for that
brick wall at 90 miles an hour, but I did believe his disenigration.
And that fact that everyone else (including his partner) was so busy
dealing with their own problems, they refused to recognize his. That
rang true to me, unfortunately. Not that Mike was willing to accept
help, which also rang true. I know I'm one of the few, but on the
whole, the Mahoney arc worked for me.
--
Pamela
RESchwalb
<<Months and months of hearing how fantastic Subway was,
my viewing of it came and went, and
the next night I realized the quasi-maligned "All Is Bright" was a far better
written and acted episode.>>
I still don't get why people dislike this ep so. Maybe it's because I think of
the Munch family saga as being the heart of it, rather than the case of the
AIDS-infected killer. But, how can you truly dislike an ep with Bernie Munch
in it? And Carol Kane and the Belz were terrific together.
And we get to see a soupcon of non-peach involved nooky--stop whinging, all of
youse!
Robin
Kay
RESchwalb wrote:
> tvfan wrote:
>
> <<Months and months of hearing how fantastic Subway was,
> my viewing of it came and went, and
> the next night I realized the quasi-maligned "All Is Bright" was a far better
> written and acted episode.>>
>
> I still don't get why people dislike this ep so.
Actually, I can't seem to recall anybody here saying that they hated this episode.
On the contrary, most say it was one of the bright spots of season six, along with
"Full Court Press" and I totally agree.
> Maybe it's because I think of
> the Munch family saga as being the heart of it, rather than the case of the
> AIDS-infected killer. But, how can you truly dislike an ep with Bernie Munch
> in it? And Carol Kane and the Belz were terrific together.
Yes, they were great... and who could forget the scene with the paid wailer?
Unhurried1
> Actually, I can't seem to recall
> anybody here saying that they hated
A long time ago I said that All is Bright provided Thorne's
best work, and mentioned how effective the scene was at the
end when Ballard is having blood drawn for an HIV test
while "Blood Makes Noise" is playing. I recall Shel
replying that she detested that episode, but then she
always hates medical stuff. Goodness knows what she'll do
if Reed Diamond ever stars in a revival of Doctor Kildare.
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Pamela Rose
>
> tvfan wrote:
>
> <<Months and months of hearing how fantastic Subway was,
> my viewing of it came and went, and
> the next night I realized the quasi-maligned "All Is Bright" was a far better
> written and acted episode.>>
>
> the Munch family saga as being the heart of it, rather than the case of the
> AIDS-infected killer. But, how can you truly dislike an ep with Bernie Munch
> in it? And Carol Kane and the Belz were terrific together.
>
> youse!
>
> Robin
I liked All is Bright better than Subway, too. Carol Kane was perfect
as Munch's ex, and I loved the professional wailer at the funeral--not
to mention Tim's endearingly fumbling move on Cox.
--
Pamela
Shelshka
<Unhurried...@webtv.net.invalid> wrote:
>Kay wrote:
>> Actually, I can't seem to recall
>> anybody here saying that they hated
>> this episode [All is Bright].
>
>A long time ago I said that All is Bright provided Thorne's
>best work, and mentioned how effective the scene was at the
>end when Ballard is having blood drawn for an HIV test
>while "Blood Makes Noise" is playing. I recall Shel
>replying that she detested that episode, but then she
>always hates medical stuff.
That's because it's nearly always *wrong*.
Besides, Ballard just plain got on my nerves. The only episode in
which I found her tolerable was "Identity Crisis."
>Goodness knows what she'll do
>if Reed Diamond ever stars in a revival of Doctor Kildare.
Urk.
--
Shel
RCB