Demographics
landbeck john
My effort to enlighten the demographically obscure follows. Now,
I am certainly not a renumerated expert in demographic surveys. I am,
however, the beneficiary of <> 10 college credit hours related to
extracting viable information from testing and such. Being of the firm
opinion that most surveys produce nothing more viable than bird-cage liner
(they are truely the ugly cousin of meaningful testing), I have purposely
crafted the questions in such a way that they have little if any
statistical meaning.
The goal is to elicit a better picture of the personalities of the
respondants, without waiting months (years) as incidental hints to their
personal lives are dropped in esoteric posts. Well, that, and the
opportunity to glowingly describe ourselves in the most positive terms...
Anway, on with the show.
1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
for a living in five years?
2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
last question.
5)Describe your home life.
6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
thinks of H:LotS?
7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
you to tears?
10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
medium you choose to consume)?
20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
how would you do it?
21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
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John S. Landbeck jla...@gl.umbc.edu 1.410.296.0313
" A great many people will think they're thinking, when they are
merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James"
Cathlene Brady
landbeck john (jla...@gl.umbc.edu) wrote:
a demographic questionnaire
: 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
: for a living in five years?
I teach third grade in a Baltimore middle class neighborhood. None of my
students are white. I am. I'm having a ball. I hope to be doing the same
thing in five years. Especially since my pay scale increases at least
$10,000 by then.
: 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
In Annapolis. I like where I live, but if I had a husband and the
wherewithall, I'd rather live in the Adirondacks. Why? The Milky Way, for
one.
: 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Sheepish look. Nobody. It was my Christian duty to do so, but soul-less
Republicans are out of the question for me and Clinton ticked me off when
he bombed Iraq for what I consider political reasons.
: 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
: would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
: last question.
I think abortion is murder. This always seems to surprise my friends.
: 5)Describe your home life.
Practice the fiddle, watch Homicide, paperwork, make geometric thingys,
more paperwork, reign over TBDNG, hang out at other people's houses,
usually with retarded folks, look for things in piles of paperwork, nurture
plants, avoid cooking, wish someone lived with me but manage to be
annoying enough to prevent that.
: 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
: a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
: thinks of H:LotS?
Baptist. Got saved a month or so ago. All my old friends are laughing.
I have no idea what God thinks of HLOTS. But I think God hates TV. God
says TV is damned. Maybe God says "It's the Best Damned Show on TV"
: 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
: you laugh out loud?
Ruth (where her husband-to-be makes a deal with her relative)
or does "The Funny Times" count?
WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
: or beleifs?
Hebrews
What authors have never disappointed you?
Jane Smiley, Annie Dillard, John Barth (well maybe he disappointed a few
times)
: 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
One I recently wrote in the middle of the night(see below)
Not counting that, "Choose Something Like a Star" by Robert Frost
: 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
: you to tears?
Dead Man Walking
: 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
King of Hearts, Dangerous Liasons, Queens Logic, Koyaanisqatsi(sp),
something by Busby Berkely with Dick Powell in it, that movie about
Elliott Gould, Johnny Stecchinno, Truly, Madly, Deeply,
Enchanted April, Shadowlands
: 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Pilgrim at Tinker Creek (Annie Dillard), War and Peace, Psalms, Job, The
Education of Henry Adams, Devlin's Mathematics:the Science of Patterns,
something by Spalding Grey, The Joy of Sex, Hebrews, 50 Sure-Fire Ways to
get off a Desert Island.
: 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
: DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
: Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
: Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
All but the Kaiser.
: 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Making music with friends.
: 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
: of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Went to church. Played on the internet. Practiced caroling with children.
My best music-making friend is currently mad at me and it's breaking my
heart, but that's more that you want to know.
: 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Tuna, swiss cheese, black olive, Old Bay sub and a big glass of skim milk.
Or anything I didn't cook.
: 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
: today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Hitler. I'd poison him!
Or Jesus and I'd make him a Tuna, swiss cheese, black olive, Old Bay sub
and a big glass of skim milk.
: 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
: Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Two paintings by Eric Dennard (he gave me one of them), a print by Joy
Smith, caligraphy with pressed strawberries by my ex-husband, three very
large paintings by my son, a temple rubbing of three horses, several
early works by my son, a painting my parents gave me that was done by my
aunt and it's hiding in the spare bedroom, some blown up fractals, a map
of the Adirondack park, two works by adolescent me.
I really like what I have.
A Matisse or two would be nice. And a Klimpt in the bathroom. Some
precolumbian sculptures, some molas (sp?) and a pollera on display.
I'd like to have enough money to set my son up to do nothing but art.
: 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Creative thinking, staying in tune when singing harmony, teaching,
getting other people's jokes
: 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
: The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
: medium you choose to consume)?
I've been really really broke all year so most of these go back to last
year.
Book: Impossible Vacation, Spalding Grey
Movie: Robin Hood with Alan Rickman
Computer Program: I asked for and received Musicshop for Christmas
Music CD: a collection of Rounder records fiddlers
I bought all the Tom Lehrer records at a used record store last week. I
was looking for Mitch Miller records to give to a friend.
: 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY
rich), : but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
: how would you do it?
I'd open a school and have my freind DD run it and I'd teach in it.
: 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Saw the first show.
Poem:
Let's sing about the flavor of hot milk and honey.
When it touches your mouth, your heart dives into the cup.
Distilled flowers in mother's comfort
Animals of peace in nodding clover
Bees and cows on summer pastures
A drink for soft slumber.
Alice
landbeck john <jla...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
: Anway, on with the show.
I wasn't going to bother with this but found the responses I just read
fascinating.
: 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
: for a living in five years?
Self-employed programmer. Self-employed wearable artist.
: 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Scottsdale (Phoenix) Arizona. Here if I can survive the summers.
This is paradise in the winter. Also, it's baseball mecca.
: 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
As much as it pained me, Clinton.
: 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
: would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
: last question.
Both of my parents are hardcore pro-union bleeding-heart liberal
Democrats. I register as an Independent and have Libertarian leanings.
My parents would be appalled.
: 5)Describe your home life.
I work, read (both online & off), sew, quilt, dye, watch baseball, and buy
lots of fabric.
: 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
: a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
: thinks of H:LotS?
I belong to no organized religion. I'm an ambivalent agnostic. God
watches H:LotS every Friday night.
: 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
: you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
: or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
Don't remember.....probably something by JA Jance since that's all I've
read lately. Oh, wait... just read The Yellow Dog by Walter Mosely. I'm
sure that made me laugh. Few authors disappoint as I don't expect much.
: 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Ten Forty-Four by Barbara Kingsolver.
: 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
: you to tears?
As embarrassing as this is to admit (I'm usually the Ice Princess), I got
a little weepy while watching The Color Purple a couple of weeks
ago.....wanted to kill Mister.
: 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Anything with Clint Eastwood or Kevin Costner in it. I"m not much of a
movie watcher.
: 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
This is tough. Ten books isn't enough. I'd probably take my ten favorite
quilting books.
: 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
: DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
: Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
: Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Vaguely, with the exception of the Kaiser.
: 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
email, usenet, sewing, quilting, blues, and baseball
: 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
: of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
I've spent several hours online and before that I was working on a quilt.
So there.
: 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Seafood (shrimp, scallops, crab) enchiladas, rice (southwestern style),
black beans, mango iced tea, creme brulee.
: 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
: today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Charles Brown, my favorite blues pianist. I'd take him to Carlsbad Tavern
in Scottsdale AZ.
: 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
: Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
We have various framed pictures of famous baseball players and cats. I
like what we have. Probably would get a bronze sculpture of a baseball
player and some type of feline sculpture.
: 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
I'm logical and artistic.
: 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
: The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
: medium you choose to consume)?
Book: Hand-Dyed Fabric Made Easy
Move: I've never purchased a movie
Computer Program: MS Visual Basic 4.0
Music CD: Erskine Hawkins 1938/1940 (Jazz Archives)
: 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
: but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
: how would you do it?
Charitably? Probably would donate lots of fabric to guilds who make
quilts for charity. Not really sure what you're looking for here.
: 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I don't watch much TV. My SO has watched from the beginning. I never
even heard of the show but started watching with him about three years
ago.
--
Alice
mud...@primenet.com
Cathlene Brady
Cathlene Brady (cbr...@csc.umd.edu) wrote:
: King of Hearts, Dangerous Liasons, Queens Logic, Koyaanisqatsi(sp),
: Elliott Gould, Johnny Stecchinno, Truly, Madly, Deeply,
: Enchanted April, Shadowlands
That's GLEN Gould.
I'm so embarassed.
CB
Niffer
landbeck john wrote:
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
I'm a children's department manager for a department store. In five
years, I'd like to be doing something else -- something a little more
creative, but I don't know what yet.
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Outside Hartford, CT. I would prefer to live in either Boston or
Baltimore. I grew up in MA and always wanted to do the Boston thing, and
I'd like Baltimore because I lived there for 10 months and liked it.
Plus, most of my college friends are in the northern VA area.
>
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Clinton.
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
Ummm... can't think of any right now that would go against Clinton's
Democrat policies. I did upset my mother and voted for Weld in his first
run for governor.
> 5)Describe your home life.
Get home from work. Sit on couch and watch TV. Surf the net. Listen to
music. Eat. Drink. Sleep.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
Unitarian. Yes. If He had time to watch, He'd say it is good.
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
Shock Value by John Waters. Lord of the Flies in seventh grade -- up
until then, the books I read were about normal things. Shakespeare, and
I'd like to read more by Hugh McLennan (sp?)
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Don't have one.
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
The Christmas ep of Party of Five. It reminded me of my grandfather who
died from cancer.
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Crying Game, Strictly Ballroom, Delusion, Hairspray, Star Wars, Apollo
13, Parenthood, It's a Wonderful Life, can't think of any more.
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets, Last of the Just, Two Solitudes,
Eloise, A Clockwork Orange, the Bible (I really should get around to
reading it sometime), a book of short stories by Frank O'Connor(?-I
think that's his name, by brain is going), once again, can't think of
anymore.
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Reagan and Lennon, yes. The others were before my time.
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Hanging out with friends, browsing in bookstores, listening to music,
playing with the computer, watching TV, dancing (when I get a chance,
which is rare)
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Watched TV while wrapping presents and making cookies. Played with
computer. Didn't hang out w/ friends since most of them are in VA;
avoided all stores today since it's my day off and the mall is packed.
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Shirley Temple (yes, I am over 21 and I still order them), shrimp
cocktail, tossed salad, boiled lobster, something chocolatey and gooey
for dessert.
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt. I'd have shrimp scampi on angel hair
pasta. I'm curious as to whether they'd twirl or cut the pasta.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Nothing. I'm too lazy to go looking for the small bag of nails that I
have, and bare white walls don't bother me. If I did have something on
my walls, they'd probably be impressionist works. If money were no
object, I'd go for a few original Monets and Sargents.
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Making people laugh, baking, wasting time, doodling, bs-ing my way
through a term paper, and I have enough patience to do things like fix
watchbands and wall paper switchplates so the switshplates match the
paper on the wall.
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
Shock Value by John Waters.
Strictly Ballroom.
McAffe's VirusScan.
Sackcloth and Ashes by 16 Horsepower.
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
I'd give money towards cancer research and I'd provide tuition money for
those who can't afford it.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I started watching a few episodes in 94/95. I got seriously hooked
during the 95/96 season. I might have become a fan sooner but the show
started when I was in college and had severely limited TV access. I
always wanted to see it since it had such good reviews, but I had trouble
finding it. Once I started watching and was able to figure out who was
who, I became hooked.
-- Niffer
seep...@aol.com
>>1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
>>for a living in five years?
I am a student at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond majoring in
criminal Justice. I also have a part time job in a deli at Ukrop's
(Richmond Grocery chain) mostly frying chicken and taking food orders. In
five years, I would like to possibly be in grad school or with a good job.
As for a job in the field of CJ I am not quite sure what I want to do (I
am open to suggestions).
>>2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Chesterfield VA, a suburb of Richmond. I would like to live in DC or
Baltimore becasue there are many government jobs in this area. (Most
likely I will end up working for the government)
>>3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Dole.
>>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
I am pro choice. I would consider myself to be a moderate, but because my
family has tradtionally been Republician I usually vote Republican unless
a candidates views are too conservative. When it comes to politics and law
making I believe some politicians need to get real and use common sense.
>>5)Describe your home life.
I live at home with my parents but I rarely see them between work and
school. I guess I really just use the house as a place to crash.
>>6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>>a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
>>thinks of H:LotS?
Baptist. Yes. Undecided.
>>7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>>you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
>>or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
WWTLBYR that made me laugh: Angel cats
'' '' changed me: The American Experience
The author that never disappoints me Bonnie Bryant
>>8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
>>9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
>>you to tears?
Little women
>
>>10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Memphis Belle, Silence of The Lambs , Star Wars....all 3. Field of
Dreams, The Horse In the Gray Flannel Shirt, Backdraft, Newsies, Seven
>>11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Postmortem, Homicide: A Year on The Killing Streets, The Giving Tree,
Little Women, Green Eggs and Ham.... I can't think of anymore right now.
>>12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
>>DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
>>Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>>Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
I remember Regan and Lennon
>>13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Horse Back Riding, Photography, TV, Movies, Going to clubs and concerts.
>
>>14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>>of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Watched some TV/Movies and used the internet. They are different because
it's to damn cold today to be riding a horse. I have no film and there
are no good concerts around town today.
>
>>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Cup of coffee, Chicken stuffed with swiss cheese and Smithfield ham, and a
piece of Brownie cheesecake.
>>16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>>today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Elliot Ness. A Steak and A Baked Potato.
>
>>17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
>>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Well in my room I have a wooden pig I painted (won 1st place at the state
fair few yrs ago) a few pictures I have taken of the Captiol and my horse.
If I had a unlimited budget some Dali.
>>18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Photography, horses, dealing with people, slacking.
>>19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
>>The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
>>medium you choose to consume)?
Book: Criminal Justice Today
movie: Fox and The Hound
Computer Program: After Dark 3. something
CD: Bush, Razor Blade suitcase
>>20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>>but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>>how would you do it?
I would donate money to youth programs around Richmond. Then I would give
some money to my parents, then I would spend the rest on myself.
>
>>21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
The End Game got me hooked
Tricia Bartoo----aka seep...@aol.com Richmond VA
I am the best damn chicken fryer in Richmond..(don't ask)
http://members.aol.com/seepdpony/index.html (it's up and running)
See what my web site of the week is.
Rick Bestany
landbeck john <jla...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
> My effort to enlighten the demographically obscure follows. Now,
>I am certainly not a renumerated expert in demographic surveys. I am,
>however, the beneficiary of <> 10 college credit hours related to
>extracting viable information from testing and such. Being of the firm
>opinion that most surveys produce nothing more viable than bird-cage liner
>(they are truely the ugly cousin of meaningful testing), I have purposely
>crafted the questions in such a way that they have little if any
>statistical meaning.
> The goal is to elicit a better picture of the personalities of the
>respondants, without waiting months (years) as incidental hints to their
>personal lives are dropped in esoteric posts. Well, that, and the
>opportunity to glowingly describe ourselves in the most positive terms...
> Anway, on with the show.
>1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
>for a living in five years?
I just started a job with a real estate appraising company. I also
bartend on Saturday nights. In five years I would like to own and
operate Bullbriar's Saloon in Easton MD.
>2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Ilive in Fells Point in Baltimore (where a certain TV crime drama is
shot). I would like to live in St. Michaels MD because I am in love
with the Chesapeake Bay and this town is full of the friendliest and
most laid-back people I have ever met.
>3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
I forget his name, but it was the guy who's platform was the
abolishment of the IRS. I really don't like the IRS.
>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>last question.
I believe that our government wastes our tax dollars in unprecedented
amounts. I believe that with the inception of term limits, the
Congress would stop enacting spending programs that benefit the few,
and they would start adopting policies that benefit the people who are
footing the bill. If you want examples, e-mail me and we'll discuss
it.
>5)Describe your home life.
I like to cook, read (Tom Clancy is a personal favorite), listen to
music (favorite here is Lowen and Navarro; if you've never heard them,
check them out, they are great) use my PC (games and work), and
occasionally watch filmings of TBDSOTV(I hope I got it right). I also
like to brew my own beer when the time permits.
>6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
>thinks of H:LotS?
I guess that all of the Catholic schooling technically makes me
Catholic. I believe that there is a Supreme Being that oversees and
guides us all. I somehow think that God is a little too busy on Friday
nights to be watching TV.
>7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
>or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
Can't really remember the first two parts. Tom Clancy never
disappoints me.
>8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
I'm not sure that it's a poem, but the piece by Emerson called
'Success' has really given me a lot of boosts.
>9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
>you to tears?
Don't cry over movies. (OK, it's a guy thing)
>10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
The top ten rentals at Blockbuster. (I don't get there much anymore.)
>11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
All of the Tom Clancy catalog.
>12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
>DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
>Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Reagan=>Yes, freshman year of HS
Lennon=>Yes
MLK=>Before my time.(BMT)
Malcom X=>BMT
RFK=>BMT
JFK=>BMT
The Kaiser=>BMT
>13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Backpacking, rock climbing, Guiness Stout
>14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
For the last five hours of leisure time, I have used my PC and wrapped
Christmas gifts. These answers are different because it's too damn
cold to backpack or climb (currently 30 in Balt) and I can't drink
Guiness because I have to get up and go to work tomorrow.
>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Maryland Steamed Crabs and Anchor steam Beer (Guiness is too heavy for
crabs). Apple pie for dessert.
>16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
John D. MacDonald. We'd have crads and beer.
>17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
On the walls of my apartment, I have mostly Chesapeake Bay-motif
artwork. Given an unlimited budget, I'd like to have very large
windows looking out on the Chesapeake Bay.
>18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
(pass)
>19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
>The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
>medium you choose to consume)?
Book=>Executive Orders by Tom Clancy
Movie=>Apollo 13
Software=>Microsoft Publisher 97
CD=> Live Wire by Lowen and Navarro
>20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>how would you do it?
I would donate as much money as I could to the preservation of the
environment.
>21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Being a resident of Baltimore, I read about the release of David
Simon's book in the Baltimore Sun. After reading the book, I attended
a book discussion at a local library that featured not only Mr. Simon,
but also real-life homicide detectives Sgt. Terry McLarney and Det.
David John Brown. (On the show, McLarney got a sex-change and became
Kay Howard and Brown became John Munch.)After getting an opportunity
to talk to the three of them, I became a fan of the whole concept.
Paulette
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
Currently I'm doing time as an intern with the Digital City Hampton Roads
project, but I would otherwise be at Clemson pursuing my master's degree.
In five years? Hopefully I will have sweet-talked someone into _paying_
me to play on Photoshop all day (I dig it the most...).
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
a) Yorktown, VA (whoo-hoo), with my parents. b) Anyplace other than a).
I wouldn't mind bouncing around here, there and everywhere (by-product of
being an Air Force brat), but I see myself being happiest somewhere east
of the Mississippi, with Maryland being as far north as I'm willing to
go. Oh, and close to the water. Not too far inland.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
<*whisper*> Bill Clinton.
>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
None come to mind. I'm pretty consistently liberal (not quite
bed-wetting, but fairly liberal).
> 5)Describe your home life.
Hehehe, that's a loaded question. Uh, I'd say typically dysfunctional,
occasionally approaching normalcy. This segues beautifully into Q. 6.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
Yes, I think I believe in God (in spite of myself), but I'm not doing the
church thing at the moment. If my mother had her druthers, I'd become
Mormon like the rest of the familia, but I can't bring myself to do it.
As for God, sure, why wouldn't he dig H:LotS? (Baby Jesus cries every
time Frank gets a confession...)
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
a)"Dave Barry's Greatest Hits" and the opening paragraph to "Homicide:
The Novel"
b) The textbook to my undergrad Interpersonal Communication class.
c)Dave Barry.
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Can it be a song instead of a poem? In this case, "The Freshman" by the
Verve Pipe. Very haunting, very spooky, ever so sad.
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
For very different reasons:
Movie -- "Twister."
TV Shows -- "Merry Cristmas, Mr. Bean" and the College Football Bowl
Alliance Selection Show (my Virginia Tech Hokies ... have to play ...
_Nebraska_? ... Cripes.)
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
"The Princess Bride," "Ed Wood," "Star Wars," "Empire Strikes Back" (but
_not_ "Return of the Jedi"), "Some Like It Hot," "The Lion King," "The
Usual Suspects," "The Little Mermaid," "A Few Good Men," and "Heathers"
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy," "The Princess Bride," my hefty volume of
the collected works of Shakespeare, "Bart Simpson's Guide to Life," a
Langescheidt German-English dictionary, a book called "Stolen Season"
(written by this old coldger who went around to minor league ballparks),
a couple dozen issues of National Geographic, David Simon's "Homicide"
(maybe on a desert island will I have time to finish it), "Dave Barry's
Greatest Hits," and "Dave Barry Does Japan."
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Only Reagan and Lennon.
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Drawing, sewing, painting ceramics for my grandparents' business, dicking
around on Photoshop (when I should be working), gadding about on the
'Net, filling my head with trivial facts.
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Went Christmas shopping. Didn't feel like being disowned by my family.
Not yet.
That, and I'm horribly out of practice with my drawing, my sewing machine
is broken, I don't have any ceramics to paint, and I only have Photoshop
on my computer at work.
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
A large Sprite, two Taco Bell 7-layer burritos with extra guacamole and
hot sauce, and -- a couple hours later -- pumpkin pie (I'm easy to please).
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Depends on who I last saw on "Biography" (good thing I saw the one on Eva
Peron since the one on Kathie Lee Gifford). So, uh, me and Eva Peron
and, I guess, Sloppy Joes and chips.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
My room is graced with a large "Star Wars" poster and a Chinese red silk
fan. Given more money and time, I'd like to just sit me down and do my
own artwork, thank you very much.
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Art, trivia, sarcasm, beating back adulthood with a stick.
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
a)Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets
b)The Usual Suspects
c)Technically, it was Life and Death in the summer of 1990 (you know, the
appendectomy game? Loads of fun. But will be getting Photoshop and
Pagemaker when I buy a computer of my own in the New Year.)
d)Level 42: Level Best
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
I'd give it to my mom -- she'd know what to do with it, and in ways that
I would most likely approve (especially to animal shelters, Special
Olympics, scholarships for military dependents, yadda, yadda, yadda...).
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Saw the first episode and found it wonderfully daring and refreshing to
see a show _not_ set in New York or L.A. (drove me batty when I lived in
England when, upon hearing my accent, people would ask "Where are you
from? Texas? California? New York? Florida?" Bah.)
--Amanda
Amanda K. Paulette--paulette@visi.net--http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~apaulet
"That's a double play if you're scoring at home...or if you're alone."
-- Keith Olbermann
Mary
landbeck john wrote:
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
I am research director for a public relations firm. In five years, I hope to
be working for or running an independent research firm.
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
I live in Arlington, Virginia. I'd like to live in a HOUSE in Arlington,
rather than my apartment, but that's a bit down the road.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Browne. I always vote Libertarian.
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
I'm pro-legalization of certain drugs.
> 5)Describe your home life.
Very pleasant. I have a comfortable abode.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
I am a lapsed Catholic. I try very hard to believe in God. I have no idea
what God thinks.
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
Laugh out loud: Confederacy of Dunces
Changed my beliefs: None (normally it's a combination of study, observation
and instinct that causes me to change my beliefs)
Jane Austen has never disappointed me.
>
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Anything by Auden or Yeats.
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
Can't remember. Maybe the Elephant Man.
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Proof, Gone with the Wind, Taxi Driver (better pack my big screen), the
Ladykillers, the Lavender Hill Mob, Kind Hearts and Coronets, Citizen Kane,
insert one Fred Astaire movie, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane and Roman
Holiday.
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Persuasion, Sense & Sensibility, Dinner at the Homesick Restaurant, Pride &
Prejudice, Emma, Mansfield Park, the Bible, Handful of Dust, The Loved One
and Confederacy of Dunces.
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Reagan and Lennon only.
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Reading, cooking, watching H:Lots, shopping, socializing
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
They aren't!
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Appetizer: Grilled asparagus with vinaigrette in a parmesan shell.
Main course: Grilled pork chops with garlic mashed potatoes and green beans.
Dessert: Flourless chocolate waffle with macadamia nut crunch ice cream
Wine: My husband chooses it. He's in the industry.
Restaurant: Carlyle Grand Cafe in Arlington
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Jesus. I would order out, since I've heard he isn't big on prep.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
I am not comfortable with art on the walls of private residences, but if I
were required to, I would probably like a Beato Angelico mural.
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Observant, great judge of character. I can also speak a few languages.
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
The last book I purchased was the Body Farm. I don't normally buy movies,
but I did get a copy of the cult classic The Warriors. The last CD I bought
was the Pet Shop Boys' Bilingual. Before that it was Fred Astaire.
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
I can't tolerate people who won't help themselves, so I would probably set up
a foundation to give money to people who are ready to turn their lives
around.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I started watching during the second season.
Beverly Martin
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
retardation/mental health challenges. I clean up shit, vomitus and
other excrement sometimes all day... but I get paid for it. I would
like to be in the field of physical therapy for the same community of
people.
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Corpus Christi, Texas. I like where I'm at and seeing as we have a
mortgage and both of us have been employed by the same respective
employers for over 10 years each -- we ain't moving. About the only
change we are considering is having our child homeschooled.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
In the lesser of three evils/morons -- Clinton, since he introduced the
Family Leave Act.
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
I am a cynical voter who knows that no matter how hard someone trie to
not be a shit-sucked dickhead in politics, it will still be there to
hold them back from doing right for the constituency.
> 5)Describe your home life.
Work. Tape and watch favorite television shows. (Reading at work and
watching tapes all part of the fun way my job is.) Playing and teaching
our child, household chores, playing on computer.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
Unitarian. Yes, I believe in a force of life that may not be
scientifically explained. God would say that the Homicide Detectives
are his arms of Vengeance and Wrath.
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
FoxTrot - collected.
Still working on something to change me... think I'm pretty cool as it
is.
That's impossible to comment, an author may continue to do their best
work, but if an audience's expectations change -- disappointments are
sure to follow.
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
"Violets are blue, roses are red,
if you go to Z'ha'dum you will surely be dead"
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
The Christmas Tree
Homicide ep with the child that was killed at the mall... I have yet to
make myself rewatch it... it wrenched my heart.
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Adv. of Buckaroo Banzai
Adv. of Baron Munchausen
Brazil
Silverado
Andromeda Strain
Silent Running
Great Escape
Ladyhawke
Princess Bride
Fisher King
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Collected Dragonriders of Pern
Stranger in a Strange Land
Homicide
Dorsai
Spirit of Dorsai
Stolen Away
Total Television
Collected William Shakespeare
Watership Down
Collected Harlan Ellison
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan? YES
> DYRTSO John Lennon? YES
DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? YES
DYRTSO Malcolm X? NO
DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? NO
DYRTSO John F. Kennedy? YES
DYRTSO the Kaiser? NO
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Television viewing, laser disks, cds, computer games and
telecommunicating, playing with my child, reading
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
I've been asleep
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Start with a nice salad and some cheese and crackers, then some
well-cooked all-you-can eat barbeque and boiled shrimp, followed by a
lovely blueberry cobbler ala mode. Iced tea with plenty of sugar.
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Anne McCaffrey, same as above except offer her some beer.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Various movie posters. Tin reproduction signs.
The real signs and some more posters and animation cels; pinball
backglass...
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Drawing, commercial art, writing, patience with really dumb people
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
Book: 2001: art of filming the future
Movie: 101 Dalmatians
Comp. Prog.: Duke Nuken 3D
Music: Justus by the Monkees
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
Make the place I work more homey for the people who have to live there.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Saw the ep with "stunt" casting of Robin Williams -- was hooked, got
book, end of story.
richardh
>
>1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
>for a living in five years?
I am a part time student at Houstanaic Community College and i hope to be
a certified computer technician in about 2 years.
>2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
> I live in Bridgeport Connecticut. i would someday like to move back to
Queens village NYC simply because it is more conductuive to my hobby of
classic video game collecting.
3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Noone. However I would have voted for Colin Powell or anyone who would
have given a cabinet position.
>
>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>last question.
I believe that abortion is wrong and that anyone commiting a vilonet
crime against a law enforcement officer or anyone with a disablity should
be put do death.
>5)Describe your home life.
>
I am 21, aurtistic, have no friends or family execpt for my mother who i
live with. I collect older video game systems and cartriges, have a 386SX
with a 120 meg drive and a VGA monitor and have a cat named Luna.
>
>6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
>thinks of H:LotS?
>
I am a Witness and God probably likes Homicide. it's beter than most of
the crap in TV =)>
>
>7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
>or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
>
Some Garfield books,The Hitchhikers Series andQ in law made me laugh.
And To, Clancy, Peter David Diane Duane and the author of the Morse books
hacve never disapointed me.
>
>
>8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
>
The Raven by Edgar Allen Poe
>
>
>9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
>you to tears?
>
Severed Dreams, an Episode of Babylon 5 which showed the high cost of war.
>
>
>10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
>
>The Princess bride
Any James Bond Films
Any Mel Brooks Films
>
>11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
>
The Hitchhikers series and all of the Inspector Morse Books. I just
remembered Colin Dexter's name =) >
>
>12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
>yes
DYRTSO John Lennon?
Too young to see
DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King?
I think that EVERYONE does
DYRTSO
>Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
>
No to all of these.
>
>
>13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
>
Playing any game system made before 1987
Playing Risk and Simcity on my PC
Readin Mysteries
and watching the following programs
Homicide
NYPD Blue <sorry but I gotta watch something on Tuesdays>
New York Undercover
Star trek <even Voyager>
Babylon 5 <all hail JMS>
Anything by Steven J Canell
Lae and Order
THE Sharpe series on masterpice theater
anything Animated by Warner Brothers
Any and all anime
and the following series on Mystery
Prime suspect
Brother Cedfial
Inspector Morse
Inspector Frost
>
>
>14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
>
Hanging out on the internet
>
>
>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
>
Bacon, jamaican Hard dough bread, Chocolarte or vanallia poptarts Chicken
flavored Ramen Noodles, KFC chicken, Hagen das Ice cream, itiaslian bread
>
>16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
>
Ed Roberts, founder of the Independent living movement and id cook
naything he wanted.
>
>17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
>
None on both counts
>
>
>18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
>
>Fixing computers, creative writing,playing video games.
>
>19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
>The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
>medium you choose to consume)?
>
Last book purchased. The way to the wooks by Colin Dexter
With Shareware and warez newsgroups, I don't NEED to purchase any software
I dont collect CDs but i just bought Billy Joel's River of Dreams last monday
<great album, HORRIBLE SONG!>
>
>
>20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>how would you do it?
>
Give a hundred million or so to the Arc, ANI <autism network international>
Yea i can,and any and all disablity rights groups, and then buy up all if
the outdated and abandoned 286's and 386's, give them away to everyone in
the country who wanted one and start up an 250 line national freenet.
>
>21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
>
I just stumbled into it one night, watched for five minutes and was hooked.>
>
Since I have a snotty newsreader ill have to add about 100 blank lines in
order to make sure that there is more new text than quoted stuff.
Please forgive me.
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richardh
> I work at a state-run living center for people with mental
>retardation/mental health challenges. I clean up shit, vomitus and
>other excrement sometimes all day... but I get paid for it. I would
>like to be in the field of physical therapy for the same community of
>people.
>
"I likes her already my precioussss" Paraphrased by Gollom, LoTR.
>
>> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
> "Violets are blue, roses are red,
> if you go to Z'ha'dum you will surely be dead"
>
Yes, but you might get better, Sheridan did. :)n But watch out for
falling warheads.>
>> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
> Collected Dragonriders of Pern
> Homicide
> Collected Harlan Ellison
>
I assume that you read i have no mouth and i must scream, but have you
ever read Mccaffery's Crystal Singer or Ship who... books?
>> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
> Anne McCaffrey, same as above except offer her some beer.
>
>> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>> how would you do it?
> Make the place I work more homey for the people who have to live there.
>
Richard Hudson
If youre the one i promised the software too, unfortunatly I lost your
address and i could'nt find anything for a mono monitor but you can get
lots of stuff for a a CGA monitor and CGA's are about $10- $25 now.
Richard Hudson
KJGoo
With apologies for not having saved my own copy of the questions:
> >1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> >for a living in five years?
I'm a freelance writer for a cardiology home page on the Internet--I was
"just a mom" for two and a half years, before that.
In five years, I'd like to still be writing.
> >2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Suburban New Jersey, and as I've said to some of you, it's everything
you've heard and more....I'd much rather be living in Boston, because
there are a million things to do, it's beautiful, and I'm happy whenever
I'm there.
> >3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Bill and Al.
> >4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> >would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> >last question.
I'm not too far off the mainstream, honestly; very pro-choice (up to and
including late second trimester procedures), so maybe that's a little
off the mainstream.
> >5)Describe your home life.
Husband works too hard, daughter (2 3/4) very dependent but bright... my
husband and I are actually in the process of trying for kid #2, I've
been driving myself nuts for over 2 years about "when" would be fair to
the older child....anyway, I do most of the child-rearing while he's off
saving rich people money.
> >6) Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> >thinks of H:LotS?
Not really...I guess God would love HlotS, because it portrays the real
world as God made it. I'm more into my religion's culture and tradition
than "theism" anyway.
> >7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> >you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> >or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
Laugh out loud: sad to say, must have been some stupid "Humor" section
book at Barnes & Noble...I haven't been able to read much at home; since
I started working, every free minute is on the PC.
Changed my behavior (you're not from L. Ron, are you??): Anna Karenina.
Gave me the guts to get on with my lovelife, even if it meant throwing
myself under a train.
Author who never disappointed me: Lorrie Moore, and I'll try to
remember some others...
> >8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Shel Silverstein, "Gumeye Ball."
> >9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> >you to tears?
Probably the rerun of HlotS where Beau came in to see Kay in the
hospital, she was just coming out of her coma. But was I crying only
because the show used to be so good?
> >10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Diner
A Room with a View
Baby, It's You
Lone Star
An American in Paris
Casablanca
The Way We Were (I'm a chick, okay?)
Spinal Tap
A Little Romance
Metropolitan
> >11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
War & Peace
The Great Gatsby
Marjorie Morningstar
The Last Convertible
Anna Karenina
Pride & Prejudice
Mansfield Park
The Lover
That Night
Catch-22
> >12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> >DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> >Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> >Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Reagan & Lennon. Sorry, I was born in 1964.
> >13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Sleeping, reading, cooking, shopping.
> >14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> >of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Pretty much the same, the problem is it's been so damned long since I've
gotten five hours...
> >15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Sorry, can't think about it because I've been on a low fat diet for
several weeks...
> >16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> >today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
What is this, a Penn application? I guess I'd have someone like Hillary
Clinton over, and we'd eat fish or something healthy.
> >17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> >Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Magritte, Chase, Chagall... and landscape pictures of places we've gone
(San Francisco, the Cape, etc.)
I'd like to have some original stuff that we've found in our travels.
> >18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Gifted in math and music, and the ability to be practical in almost any
situation.
> >19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> >The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> >medium you choose to consume)?
Last book: Best Short Stories of 1996
Last music CD: Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road
> >20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> >but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> >how would you do it?
I'd start up a network for counseling women on birth control & choice--I
was active in the Boston Planned Parenthood for four years (the clinic
where the shooting took place, yes) and loved that kind of work.
> >21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I'm a Barry Levinson fan, so I figured I'd give the pilot a shot. I'm
glad I did.
Bruce T
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
>
in music but get paid a more fair allowance. Once interviewed
for a job in Manhattan selling Sony Classical for at least 3
times what I get now.
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
>
Lanham/Seabrook, Maryland (either town name applies). Would
love to live in Manhattan, the cultural center of the Universe.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
>
Nader, even though he was not "officially" a write-in
candidate in Maryland. Write-in candidates must be
registered. Can you say "ludicrous?"
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
>
I believe that drugs that are currently illegal for
recreational use should remain illegal. Pot for chemo:
yes; one toke for the road: no.
> 5)Describe your home life.
>
Eat, sleep, CD's, laserdiscs, books, political mags
(Nation, Z, Mother Jones), web, ....
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
>
Agnostic. If there is a god would it be okay for him to
think that anything can be the best "damn" anything?
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
>
"Wonder Boys" by Michael Chabon. "What Uncle Sam Really
Wants" by Noam Chomsky. While much of Chomsky is disturbing
he has not disappointed me in the sense that he has taught
me much that is valuable.
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
>
I'm a poet
and I know it
-- traditional
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
>
Wim Wender's "Wings of Desire"
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
>
Wings of Desire, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Blue, White, Red,
Vertigo, Thirty-two Shorts Films About Glenn Gould, Brazil,
(and then it gets difficult).
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
>
Finnegans Wake, The Tunnel, The Man Without Qualities,
The Yale Shakespeare, The Complete Fairy Tales of the
Brothers Grimm, I-VI, The World's Wisdom, Downsize
This!, Chomsky Reader, and, and, and, ....
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
>
Yes Reagan and Lennon. Too busy in the sandbox for
King, X, and RFK. JFK was shot 15 days before I was
born (and my twin brother and I were two weeks late).
I've often joked that I am the reincarnation of JFK.
A few years ago a piece of mail for me at work was
addressed to "Bruce Kennedy" ("Tennant" is often
mangled). Lennon's murder was especially memorable:
the DJ on the radio station I was listening to half
an hour before the newsflash had a gimmick where he
would roll a pair of dice to determine the number of
songs of one artist/group he would play in a row. This
particular time it was the Beatles. He rolled 11. After
a few songs the teletypes started to churn in the news
of Lennon being shot. At first the news didn't seem too
serious and the DJ continued playing Beatles. Then the
announcements of Lennon's death came over. The DJ
didn't stop at 11 songs.
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
>
Concerts, movies, long drives.
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
>
Had planned to see a screening of "Shine" tonight but
remembered that I HAD to do laundry and the dryer is
busted so I have to go to the laundromat. Oh well.
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
>
Coke or Dr. Pepper (lifelong abstainer), lightly breaded
calamari fried crispy not crunchy or shrimp cocktail with
really big shrimp (8-10 count), caesar salad (no anchovies),
Porterhouse grilled medium rare, baked potato with butter,
chocolate mousse in white chocolate dish, paid for by a
big record company. That's the meal I had in '95 at Sam
and Harry's at Dupont Circle in DC. This year wasn't as
good :( (Morton's of Chicago has the better steak, though).
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
>
John Cage. We would go find wild mushrooms for his meal
and then go to KFC for a bucket of mine.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
>
No art to speak of, however, I do have a platinum record
award for "Chant" and a gold record award for "Immortal
Beloved" and a framed booklet of the CD "Officium"
autographed by the artists (Hilliard Ensemble and Jan
Garbarek).
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
>
Uh....
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
>
"A Reporter's Life" by Walter Cronkite (just today, luckily
found a first print). Criterion edition of "Brazil."
Norton Utilities. Just bought a stack o' discs: Joni
Mitchell "Hits" and "Misses," Tommy Keene "Ten Years After,"
Beatles "Anthology," Beck "Odelay," Sixteen Horsepower
"Sackcloth 'n' Ashes," the late Eva Cassidy "Live At
Blues Alley" and "The Other Side" (with Chuck Brown),
Allen Ginsberg "The Ballad Of The Skeletons" with Philip
Glass, Lenny Kaye, and Paul McCartney (I'm not making that
up).
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
>
General welfare for the poor, starting with housing.
If Bill Gates spent $1M a day it would take him about 35
years to spend his net worth.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
>
At first I was turned off by the hype and ignored the show
out of spite. After much reading of nothing but the highest
praise for the show I finally watched when the glove murder
episodes aired. Hook, line, sinker.
Bruce
Bruce T
Cathlene Brady wrote:
>
> Cathlene Brady (cbr...@csc.umd.edu) wrote:
> : King of Hearts, Dangerous Liasons, Queens Logic, Koyaanisqatsi(sp),
> : something by Busby Berkely with Dick Powell in it, that movie about
> : Elliott Gould, Johnny Stecchinno, Truly, Madly, Deeply,
> : Enchanted April, Shadowlands
>
> I'm so embarassed.
> CB
It is with greatest humility that I inform the Quene
that it is GLENN, not Glen. But I hope that it pleases
the Quene that her spelling of "Koyaanisqatsi" is
correct.
In Servitude,
Bruce
DvidStlin
landbeck john (jla...@gl.umbc.edu) wrote:
1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
for a living in five years?
I teach mass communications at a community college. In five years I would
like to be teaching at a university, as well as writing and making films.
2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Seattle, WA. And this is exactly where I want to be - that's why I moved
here.
3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Ralph Nader.
4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
last question.
I belief that stupidity should be a capital crime. And I believe that all
laws against consensual crimes should be abolished immediately.
5)Describe your home life.
I live with my girlfriend and two and a half cats.
6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
thinks of H:LotS?
I am a half-Jewish half-Catholic agnostic pagan anarchist. Short answer:
sure, I guess; just don't ask me to define God. God thinks Hlots rocks,
because it does and s/he would know.
7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
The Hippopotomus by Stephan Fry. Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton
Wilson. Wilson, Harlan Ellison, Charles Bukowski, several others.
8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Snowball in Hell by They Might Be Giants
9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
you to tears?
Old Yeller - I was nine. Oh, and Showgirls - but they were tears of
laughter and disbelief.
10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
No possible way I could get the list to ten - film is my life. If I was
on a desert island and I could only watch 10 films for the rest of my life
I'd do myself.
11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
I don't know - they'd be really dense books though.
12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
I remember Reagan, Lennon, and Bobby - but I only remeber Bobby because my
Dad was there that night and it really messed him up.
13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Watching TV and surfing the net at the same time. Movies. Sex.
14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Well, that's what I've been doing - watching movies on TV while surfing
the net. I'd be having sex too, but my girlfriend's home for the
holidays.
15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
A good vodka martini. Soup, Salad, Prime Rib, Potato, Corn. Cheescake
and coffee, followed by a good spliff, more premium vodka, and excellent
converstaion.
16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Tim Leary, Leonardo da Vinci, Michealangelo, Beethoven, Carl Jung, Wilhelm
Reich, Tom Jefferson.
17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
A lot of paintings by my girlfriend. Magrittes, Dalis, Picassos, Munchs.
Oh and Sunday in the park at La Grande Jetee, if I could ever convince the
Art Institute of Chicago to part with it.
18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Poisoning young minds.
19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
medium you choose to consume)?
Ain't nobody's business if you do. Don't buy movies-I tape them.
Lemmings Paintball. The new REM.
20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
how would you do it?
If I were Bill Gates, I'd hold a daily phonebook lotto and give one random
person in America $250,000 for as long as the money held out (approx. 217
years at his current worth).
21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Came early because of the cast and Barry Levinson.
___
humphreys brad
Hi John,
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.961222...@umbc9.umbc.edu>,
landbeck john <jla...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
>for a living in five years?
Assistant Professor of Economics, UMBC. In five years I hope to be
tenured; that would be Associate Professor of Economics.
>2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
I live in Elkridge, MD. I'd like to move back into the city (that's
Baltimore city, BTW) because my wife and I miss living there.
>3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Dole.
>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>last question.
What you's call your neo-conservative: fiscally conservative, relatively
liberal on social issues with a bit of libertarian streak.
I'm pro-choice.
>5)Describe your home life.
Married. No kids. My wife and I are workaholics, and often don't get
home until 9:00pm or so. We watch a lot of baseball and college basketball.
And like George Will, we believe that ESPN's "Sportscenter" is the
thinking persons "McNeill-Lehrer".
>6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
>thinks of H:LotS?
Methodist. Yes. I doubt He cares.
>7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
>or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
LOL: Dan Jenkins' _You Gotta Play Hurt_
Change: _Drawing on the Right Side of The Brain_
Never Dissapointed: Why, JACK L. CHALKER, of course :-). Plus
James Ellroy and James Lee Burke.
>8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Yikes. I don't really have one.
>9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
>you to tears?
Crosetti, I guess. At the end.
>10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Bull Durham
Caddyshack
Blade Runner
Taxi Driver
Gettysburg
something by Jackie Chan, don't care which one
Eight Men Out
Dr. Strangelove
Little Big Man
>11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Shelby Foote's "The Civil War: a Narrative"
"The Big Sleep"
"Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"
"The Baseball Encyclopedia"
"Gettysburg, the Second Day" by Harry Pfanz
one of Roger Angell's baseball books - they're all great
"the New Palgrave Dictionary of Economics"
the Bible
The Oxford English Dictionary
I've got to ask for a daily newspaper, one with a good sports section.
>12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
>DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
>Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Yes to Regan and Lennon.
>13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
A liter of Pils at the Baltimore Brewing Company and an Avo #3.
>14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Laid on the couch all weekend. I've got a really nasty cold.
>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Fresh tomato, cucumber and feta salad, a good bottle of cab sav, a
16oz. porterhouse with baked potato and broccoli, some Ben and
Jerry's Ice Cream, a nice single malt scotch.
>16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Adam Smith. And I'd want to pick crabs and drink beer.
>17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Some stuff my grandmother painted. Probably a lot of
stuff by Andrew Wyeth. And a DaVinci.
>18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
I get along well with others. I like to think I'm a
decent applied econometrician. I never cancel class.
>19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
>The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
>medium you choose to consume)?
Book: STATS Inc. 1997 Major League Handbook.
Don't buy movies.
Program: jspell, as MS-Dos based spell-checker that handles LaTex files.
CD: Bach's Chrismas Oritorio (which I misspelled)
>20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>how would you do it?
First, I'd buy the Milwaulkee Brewers and run Bud Selig out of town
on a rail. Then I'd declare myself interim commisioner of baseball
for life, bet rid of interleague play and the DH, and expand the
strike zone to speed up play.
Then, I'd take care of the secondary, but important, stuff. Feed the
hungry, clothe the naked, etc.
>21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Read the book first. Watched the show and liked it.
--
Brad Humphreys <hump...@umbc.edu>
UMBC - Department of Economics
Baltimore, MD
BobTard
1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing for a living
in five years?
I am a public relations dude. In five years, I hope to be a public
relations dude making more money and having more and more fun.
2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
I live in Buffalo, NY. Under ideal circumstances, I would like to
continue to live in Buffalo, NY. While the winters can be long and
tedious, the summers are utterly glorious. Of course in other parts of
the world, the winters are just a bother and the spring and fall are
glorious, while the summers are stifling and unbearable.
I'm a pretty simple guy, though. Anywhere I can play softball is OK by me.
3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Nader. I think the two-party system does not present much of a choice,
and I think we as voters need to do whatever we can to encourage third-,
fourth-, fifth-, sixth-, seventh-, eighth- and ninth-party candidates to
get out and run. Not to mention helping them get what they really need --
federal matching funds -- so that they can compete on an equal basis with
the two fat-cat parties in national elections.
4)Describe a (the) political belief(s) that you hold that would be
considered unusual, given your answer to the last question.
I would like to see more than two parties have a viable shot in any
election, from the local to national level. Rules need to be discarded
that limit the number of candidates that can get on the official ballot
for any election. Let's do away with petitions. And for God's sake,
let's do away with those God-awful mechanical voting booths and get some
computerization in there.
5)Describe your home life.
I have a lovely bride Stephanie whom I call "The Snow Princess" when
referring to her in this forum. We are simple people. We are not opera
lovers. We don't know what the people in the Junior League do. We are
not wine connoisseurs -- we don't even drink the stuff. Our ideal evening
-- and we have it every Friday night -- is to work out at the YMCA, order
subs, and watch "Milennium" and "Homicide" on the tube.
The home life will change soon because the Snow Princess is pregnant with
our first child. She's due in July, so this description will only be
accurate until then.
6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself a member? Do you
believe in God? What do you think God thinks of H:LotS?
I was raised Catholic, but alas, I've fallen. I'm not really a member of
any religion. Do I believe in God? I don't NOT believe in God.
Unfortunately I think a lot of people create God in their own image, and
if there is one, then that force is far greater than anything we as humans
could ever conceive. As for H:LOTS, I don't think God thinks much of it
-- real-life is more consuming, unpredictable, heartbreaking and "gritty"
than any television show could aspire to become.
7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made you laugh out loud?
WWTLBYR that changed your behavior or beliefs? What authors have never
disappointed you?
Laugh Out Loud: The Dilbert Principle, Scott Adams
Change My Behavior/Beliefs: The Age of Reason
Never Disappointed: Scott Adams, Tom Clancy, P.J. O'Rourke, Douglas Adams
8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
In addition to having no appreciation whatsoever for opera, musicals or
the theater, I don't "get" poetry either. My favorite is "The Raven," but
only because of its rhythm.
9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved you to tears?
"Schindler's List" made me bawl. "A League of Their Own," believe it or
not, choked me up to near tears. Homicide's "A Doll's Eyes" left me
stunned and teary-eyed.
10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
The Hunt for Red October, Silence of the Lambs, Jaws, Close Encounters of
the Third Kind, Fargo, To Die For, Schindler's List, The Great Escape, The
Godfather, Goodfellas.
11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
A dictionary, a book of blank pages to write a journal, the Hitchikers
Guide to the Galaxy (a bound version with all five books of the trilogy),
any book of brain teasers, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas; four books I
haven't read yet -- or can't remember if I did -- but ought to: War and
Peace, The Great Gatsby, Tropic of Cancer (or is it Capricorn?), and
Huckleberry Finn; and one book for possible inspiration -- The Bible.
12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan? DYRTSO John Lennon?
DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy?
DYRTSO John F. Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Reagan, yes. Lennon I remember but it didn't phase me. The others were
before my time.
By the way, here are some other "Where were you?" events I'd offer as
icebreakers:
The Challenger Explosion, the U.S. beating the USSR at the 1980 Olympics,
Nixon's resignation, Kurt Cobain's suicide, Munich Olympics, Elvis' death,
Oklahoma City bombing, the OJ low-speed pursuit (and OJ's acquittal).
13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Playing basketball and softball, writing, watching good movies, playing
Scrabble, participating in Internet newsgroups, and um, recreating with
the Snow Princess, if ya know what I mean.
14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours of leisure time.
Why are these answers different?
Weather is one factor. My healing left pinky is another. The Snow
Princess is at work.
15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
My mother makes it. Milk, chicken a la king on buttermilk biscuits, fresh
corn on the cob (preferably grown on my Grandparents' farm), applesauce,
and blueberry pie.
16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal today, who would it
be, and what would you cook?
Jesus. I'd fix my lasagna. It's quite good, really.
17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home? Given an
unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
K-Mart pictures bought by my mother-in-law and wife's grandmother. Given
an unlimited budget, I don't know what I'd get. I don't know enough about
art to say for sure who I'd like. I saw a Calder exhibition that was
pretty cool.
18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
I am a compassionate person and a good, interested listener. In
basketball, I'm not a great shooter, but I hustle and I'm a good
rebounder. I'm a decent softball player. I can write my ass off, but I
wish I could be as witty as Jim Hill.
19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie? The last
computer program? The last music CD (or whatever medium you choose to
consume)?
Last book -- and this is not sucking up -- was Jack Chalker's "The March
Hare Network." The last movie was a tie: "Seven" and "The Usual
Suspects." Last computer program was whatever software came with my Zip
drive. The last CD was "Road Apples" by the Tragically Hip.
20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich), but were of a
mind to charitably throw around your largesse, how would you do it?
I'd build a factory and put people in a depressed area to work, and I'd
build a school to educate them. The old "give a man a fish, teach a man
to fish" theory.
21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I think it was the White Glove Killer episodes that drew me in. The first
scene of the second episode where Frank is looking at the statues in the
church while the organ played in the background told me that this was a
show to take notice of.
Bob Chase
aka Bob...@aol.com
Alan Sepinwall
>for a living in five years?
I watch television for a living. I'm a TV critic/reporter for a newspaper
in New Jersey. This is what I had hoped to be doing in five years,
figuring I would have to work my way up from gophering and covering local
school districts. As of now, I have no plan.
>2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
In a renovated pencil factory in Jersey City, NJ. I'd like to live in San
Francisco, because it's a beautiful city with lots of things to do but
not so large that it's unlivable (see Manhattan). But I'd need a
satellite dish to keep up with all the local sports teams, and I'm
reticent about living anywhere where the ground moving is considered normal.
>3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Bubba and Al. Would've voted for Nader, but didn't want to throw away my
vote, and Bill has some good ideas, even if he is a shady character who
rarely can live up to his promises. Dole and Perot scared the hell out
of me.
> > >
>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>last question.
I'm really apolitical.
>
>
>
>5)Describe your home life.
I just moved out of my parent's house into this two-bedroom apartment
with a friend of mine who just got a job in the area. It's The Odd Couple
with the genders mixed: she's neat and obsessive; I'm messy and
laid-back. Her boyfriend gives us three months before we kill each other. :)
>6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
>thinks of H:LotS?
Judaism, yes, and I think God preferred it when the Big Man and Crosetti
were still around.
>
>
>
>7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
>or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
>
Skin Tight, by Carl Hiaasen. Hysterical, yet gripping. I have never
changed my behavior based on books I've read. Peter David never
disappoints me.
>
>
>8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
>
I hate poetry. Say what you mean, or don't say anything at all.
>
>9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
>you to tears?
Glory was on the other day, and the scene where the 54th are marching
past all the white soldiers on the way to their doomed mission always
gets me bawling.
>10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
>
The Untouchables
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Hoosiers
My Favorite Year
Real Genius
Slap Shot
Rear Window
Some Like it Hot
...And Now for Something Completely Different
Just One of the Guys
>11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
>
Lonesome Dove, by Larry McMurtry
Red Dragon, by Thomas Harris
Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets by David Simon
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
For Keeps by Pauline Kael
A Time/Life guide to shipbuilding out of palm trees and coconuts
>
>
>12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
>DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
>Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
I remember Reagan. Lennon happened when I was alive, but too young to
know who he was. Wasn't born for any of the others.
>
>
>
>13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
>
Watching television, going to the movies, surfing the net, playing
basketball, hanging out with friends, trying to learn to cook
>
>
>14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Most of the above
>
>
>
>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
>
At my local kosher delicatessen, a bowl of chicken soup with matzoh
balls, a corned beef sandwich, and an order of french fries. Heaven --
trust me.
>
>
>16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
>
>
>
>17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
>
Mainly dupes of movie posters. With an unlimited budget, I'd like to have
some of the originals, with nice frames.
>18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
>
-A photographic memory that only works when I'm in the mood (i.e., never
for schoolwork, but for every television show I've ever seen)
-A decent way with a turn of the phrase
-The ability to imitate Paul Tsongas
-The ability to make any of my friends laugh, no matter how depressed
>19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
>The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
>medium you choose to consume)?
The last book was a collection of the plays of Joseph Orton
I don't buy movies
I bought three CDs at once the last time I went to the store, including
Jewel's Pieces of You, a Time-Life '70s compilation CD (1976, I believe),
and the Dazed and Confused soundtrack > >
>
>20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>how would you do it?
>
I would keep just enough so that I could live comfortably and put my kids
through college, then divide up the rest evenly and give it to as many
charitable organizations as I could think of.
>
>
>21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
>
I'd read the reviews, and decided to continue watching the 1993 Super
Bowl all the way through so I could catch this show that everyone was
raving about.
Alan Sepinwall * e-mail: sepi...@force.stwing.upenn.edu
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Ellen Callahan
> 1)What do you do for a living?
For a living, nothing. I'm a full time student at Mills College, oldest
women's college west of the Mississipp! To keep myself from feeling
like a total sponge, I do work part time at the college's public
relations office.
> What do you hope to be doing for a living in five years?
I'd like to be a federal prosecutor.
> 2)Where do you live?
Los Angeles
> Where would you like to live, and why?
I moved out west with my parents when I was 13. Didn't want to, but
didn't have much of a choice. I'm an east coast person, and as soon as
I can move back there, I intend to do so. I'll live anywhere on the east
coast between Maine and Maryland. Baltimore is my favorite city, so
that's at the top of the list.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Clinton, with no apologies or regrets.
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
I'm a real lock-'em-up-and-throw-away-the-key kinda gal. I'm _very_
pro death penalty, which is almost enough to make all of my friends
stop speaking to me.
> 5)Describe your home life.
Well, mostly I have a dorm life. I'm only home here in L.A. four months
out of the year, which I hate because all of my friends live in WA, OR
and NoCal. Home life is just this side of bearable, but I'm 22 and my
parents haven't kicked me out yet, so I really can't complain.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member?
I come from a long line of lapsed Catholics
> Do you believe in God?
Yes
> What do you think God thinks of H:LotS?
That it's too good for the Emmys _or_ the Golden Globes
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud?
John Callahan's (no relation) "What Kind of a God Would Allow A Thing
Like This to Happen?" Ok, so it's a book of cartoons. Probably not
exactly what you had in mind when you wrote this...
> WWTLBYR that changed your behavior or beleifs?
John Douglas's "Mindhunter"
> What authors have never disappointed you?
Thomas Hardy, Edith Wharton, Ernest Hemingway, Albert Camus
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
I'm horribly ignorant when it comes to poetry. Probably Tennyson's
'Ulysses.' I love the line "I am a part of all that I have met."
> 9)What was the last movie
The English Patient
> /TV show you watched that moved you to tears?
"Work Related." I still have trouble watching it.
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
All About Eve, The Last Seduction, The Godfather, JFK, Pal Joey, Bull
Durham, Double Indemnity, Goodfellas, All the President's Men, (only one
more?!) Reservoir Dogs
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Pride and Prejudice, The Big Book of Hell, Tess of the D'Ubervilles,
The House of Mirth, Homicide, The Last Hurrah, The Complete Short
Stories of Ernest Hemingway, The Stranger, The Collected Works of
William Shakespeare, most recent edition of Oxford's college dictionary
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
I was six when both Reagan and Lennon were shot, so yes, vaguely. No
on the others.
> 13)Describe your leisure activities of choice.
Going to the movies, reading (books, magazines, and newspapers),
watching baseball and Homicide, fencing, reading a.t.h., listening to
music. The usual.
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Well, Homicide ain't on, baseball doesn't start for another four months,
and my fencing class is up in San Fancisco. I have been reading a.t.h.,
but before this I was too busy wrapping presents to do anything else.
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
A couple of vodka tonics, penne rigate with tomato sauce, vanilla ice
cream. I guess that's awfully dull, isn't it?
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
I suppose you'll all want to puke if I say Kyle Secor, so I'll go
with Frank Sinatra. I'd make him linguine with pesto sauce.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
Well, all of my "art work" is limited to my bedroom, as my parents have
the run of the house. I have a reproduction of an old street sign that
used to hang in the French Quarter of New Orleans that reads "Beware of
Pickpockets and Loose Women," two framed b&w photos, one of John F. and
Jacqueline Kennedy, and a Charles Conlon photo of Ted Williams, a giant
wall clock- the thing is huge, it looks like I got it from an old bus
station, and a framed poster of Van Gogh's 'Irises.' My dorm room has
an actual old street sign for Fisherman's Wharf in SF, and a few maps
of Baltimore on its walls.
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
I'm a fan of photographs and old street signs (see above), but I
wouldn't mind having Van Gogh's "The Cafe Terrace, Arles at Night" or
Donatello's statue of Saint George (ok, so I couldn't put _that_ one on
my wall). Throw in a few early Monets, and I'm a happy woman.
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Fencing, and isn't that enough, really?
> 19)What was the last book your purchased?
James Ellroy's "My Dark Places"
> The last movie?
The Last Seduction
>The last music CD (or whatever medium you choose to consume)?
A Frank Sinatra Christmas
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
Give money to a few colleges, with the stipulation that it be used to
fund scholarships.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I grew up on the east coast, in suburban Harrisburg, PA, as a matter of
fact. My dad went to school (and got all of the training that makes
him the Best Damn Undertaker)in Baltimore, and he used to take us there
all the time. Until we moved out here, I went to Baltimore 3 or 4 times
a year for 13 years (went to my first baseball game at Memorial
Stadium). It has _always_ been my favorite city, and I miss it terribly.
When I heard about H:LotS, and heard that it would take place in and
actually be filmed in Baltimore, I wanted to watch it just so I could
see Baltimore again. Lucky for me the show itself happened to be the
best damn thing I'd ever seen on television.
Dave Locke
bob...@aol.com (BobTard) had the utter temerity to write:
>The home life will change soon because the Snow Princess is pregnant with
>our first child. She's due in July, so this description will only be
>accurate until then.
So that's what you were being mysterious about. Congratulations on
your incipient parenthood.
If it's a boy, can we anticipate that you'll name him William Montel
Chase? Fay Montel Chase, I assume, if it's a girl.
Kiss what?
-
~~~~~~Dave~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~dave...@bigfoot.com~~~~~~
Beverly Martin
richardh wrote:
>
> > I work at a state-run living center for people with mental
> >retardation/mental health challenges. I clean up shit, vomitus and
> >other excrement sometimes all day... but I get paid for it. I would
> >like to be in the field of physical therapy for the same community of
> >people.
> >
>
>
> >
> > "Violets are blue, roses are red,
> > if you go to Z'ha'dum you will surely be dead"
> >
> falling warheads.>
> > Collected Dragonriders of Pern
> > Collected Harlan Ellison
> >
>
> I assume that you read i have no mouth and i must scream, but have you
> ever read Mccaffery's Crystal Singer or Ship who... books?
>
> >> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
> > Anne McCaffrey, same as above except offer her some beer.
> >
> >> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> >> how would you do it?
> > Make the place I work more homey for the people who have to live there.
> >
>
>
> If youre the one i promised the software too, unfortunatly I lost your
> address and i could'nt find anything for a mono monitor but you can get
> lots of stuff for a a CGA monitor and CGA's are about $10- $25 now.
>
> Richard Hudson
as well!) -- met her once, me thinks shes a cool person.
As far as Ellison -- all of his stuff is godly. Run and get Edgeworks
Vol. 1 &2 if you don't already have them.
Beej
KJGoo
Thank you to seedpony (Tricia), who put the questions together easily:
>
> Challenger: At work (my first "real" job) at Boston University. I immediately called
my ex-beau, who was a huge shuttle fan....I remember students calling to
ask if class was cancelled that night, "in light of the tragedy." BU
students called to ask if classes were cancelled if it was less than 20
degrees outside...
> USA over USSR :Gotta say, coherent as I was at the time, I didn't really care.
> Nixon: On vacation with my family.
> Kurt cobain: Same as USA over USSR--scary that this is a generation's defining
moment.
> Munich Olympics- 7 years old, but aware of it. I remember wondering why other teams
weren't so worried...
> Elvis- Summer camp. Then the rumors abounded about Billy Joel, Bruce
Springsteen, etc. Pretty morbid camp.
> OKC- Driving in the car...I remember immediately assuming it was
international terrorism, from the stuff the radio was saying.
> OJ's chase.Heard about the suicide threat during a drive to my parents' house;
watched the Knicks playoff game, with interruptions for the chase, and
could NOT believe that people were cheering the man on....sigh.
OJ's aquittal--
Getting ready to go to Kol Nidre services. I was surprised, but now I'm
surprised that I was surprised...I heard that the people at Shapiro's
shul hissed at him that night.
Cathlene Brady
Bruce T (bruc...@erols.com) wrote:
: Cathlene Brady wrote:
: > That's GLEN Gould.
: > I'm so embarassed.
: It is with greatest humility that I inform the Quene
: that it is GLENN, not Glen. But I hope that it pleases
: the Quene that her spelling of "Koyaanisqatsi" is
: correct.
Since you had the same movie about Glenn Gould on your list, I am most
pleased. And I'm intending to try out some of the things on your lists that
I've never heard of.
JohnL, I've enjoyed this thread enormously. (Don't tell Schlock.)
CB
Ellen Callahan
Steve Lehmann wrote:
> >18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
>
> The ability to observe bloodstain spatter patterns and determine
> the origin of the spatter and the likely force which caused the wound.
<LOL> That is classic.
Ellen
seep...@aol.com
In article <19961224180...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
bob...@aol.com (BobTard) writes:
>By the way, here are some other "Where were you?" events I'd offer as
>icebreakers:
>
>The Challenger Explosion, the U.S. beating the USSR at the 1980 Olympics,
>Nixon's resignation, Kurt Cobain's suicide, Munich Olympics, Elvis'
death,
>Oklahoma City bombing, the OJ low-speed pursuit (and OJ's acquittal).
>
>
Challenger: In the third grade
USA over USSR : I don't know.
Nixon: Before my time
Kurt cobain: Watching MTV? I think
Munich Olympics- Before my time
Elvis- In the womb
OKC- At a Richmond Braves Basebll game
OJ's chase. aquittal-- surprisingly enough Iwas at my grandparents house
for both. (I didn't think I spent that much time there.....)
Tricia Bartoo----aka seep...@aol.com Richmond VA
Who will be spending New Year's Eve With the Dave Matthews Band
BobTard
Dave Locke (dave...@bigfoot.com) wrote:
>> If it's a boy, can we anticipate that you'll name him William Montel
Chase? Fay Montel Chase, I assume, if it's a girl. <<
Well, given my prior shameless idol-worship in this space, if it's a boy,
I'll have to name him Jim Hill Chase.
And a girl? Jimina Hilleta Chase.
Bob Chase
aka Bob...@aol.com
Steve Lehmann
>1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
>for a living in five years?
Detective Sergeant, Baltimore City Police, Homicide Unit.
Playing Golf as a retiree in South Carolina
>2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Baltimore. Someplace down south, hopefully the Carolinas.
>3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Am a registered democrat (you have to be for your vote to count in
Baltimore primaries) but have voted Republican in last five
Presidential elections.
>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>last question.
>5)Describe your home life.
Married for 27 years, two children, girls 25 and 18.
>6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God>thinks of
H:LotS?
Fallen away catholic. ???
>7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
>or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
Floaters by Joe Wambaugh. Nothing can change my behavior. James
Webb.
>8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner.
>9)What was the last movie/TV shw you watched that moved
>you to tears?
Haven't cried since "Love Story"!
>10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Full Metal Jacket, Goodfellas, first two Godfathers, The Last
Detail, Resevoir Dogs, Casino, Pulp Fiction.
>11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Fields of Fire by James Webb
Anything by Wambaugh
Early Cornwell books (her latest ones are getting unreal)
Some type of primer of how to survive on a desert island!
>12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
>DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
>Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Kaiser? When was that. Archduke Ferdinand maybe, but not the
Kaiser.
>13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Golf, Reading, Internet.
>14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Shop! It's Christmas Eve.
>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
2 Micholobs, 1/2 pound of shrimp steamed in Old Bay seasoning, 2
more Micholobs, 2 Back fin crabcakes w/FF and cole slaw, 3 more
Micholobs, Cherry Pie w/coffee, a taxi!
>16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Chesty Puller, (see above)
>17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Golf trophies and paintings of famous golf holes. If I could afford
it I would have a picture window out of which I could see a famous golf
hole!
>18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
The ability to observe bloodstain spatter patterns and determine
the origin of the spatter and the likely force which caused the wound.
>19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
>The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
>medium you choose to consume)?
Executive Orders by Clancy. Tin Cup. Netscape. "Hell Freezes Over"
by the Eagles
>20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>how would you do it?
Endow trauma centers where needed.
>21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I'm not a fan, I am the Guardian of Realism!
Andrew David Gross
In article <19961225050...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
BobTard <bob...@aol.com> wrote:
>All right, all right. I'm sorry to taint your survey, John, but I suppose
>I'll have to answer my own damn question just for the sake of
>completeness:
>
>Where were you when...
>
>Challenger:
Unfortunately, for me, my response is somewhat on-topic for this group. I
remember my 10th-grade English class in Baltimore was ending, and this guy
walked into the room for the next class, and he was laughing to himself.
"Guess what, everybody," he said while laughing, "the Space Shuttle blew
up." A rather perverse way to deal with disaster, I guess.
The sad reason this is on-topic is that three years later, this guy became
a homicide victim in Baltimore. Rather eerie.
>USA over USSR:
Don't remember it.
>Nixon:
Don't remember it. Too young.
>Kurt Cobain:
Don't remember it. I mean, I remember that it happened, but I really
didn't care all that much.
>Munich Olympics:
Too young.
>Elvis:
Don't remember it. I do remember when the Pope died. They cancelled all
the Saturday morning cartoons to show his funeral, and I was so angry that
I couldn't watch my cartoons, and I did not even the slightest idea of who
the Pope was...
... and then a month later *that* Pope died, and once again I could not
watch my cartoons because of some guy of whom I had never heard.
Actually, for all you Marylanders, the BIG question... bigger than
Nixon... bigger than Elvis... bigger than the Challenger... (and obviously
bigger than Kurt Cobain)...
where were you when you heard about Len Bias?
I remember that my grandfather called me to tell me. I also remember that
because it happened so late, the Evening Sun managed to cover the stoy,
and the morning Sun didn't.
andrew
Alan Sepinwall
In article <19961225050...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
BobTard <bob...@aol.com> wrote:
>All right, all right. I'm sorry to taint your survey, John, but I suppose
>I'll have to answer my own damn question just for the sake of
>completeness:
And I'll be the first into the breach to follow up on Bob's questions..
>
>Where were you when...
>
>Challenger:
I was in the fourth or fifth grade, playing hooky from school by faking
an illness (I was Ferris Bueller before there was a Ferris Bueller). I
was watching the Price is Right on television when Dan Rather cut in to
tell everyone about the explosion (the launch was considered so routine
that most of the networks weren't televising it live).
I guess I wasn't too shaken up about it, since I went and played for my
school's intramural basketball team that night, though there was a moment
of silence before the game started.
>USA over USSR:
Too young to remember this one.
>
>Nixon:
Ibid -- waaaay too young (born in 1973).
>
>Kurt Cobain:
Can't remember where I was for this. Guess Cobain didn't have that big an
impact on my life, though I liked his music.
>
>Munich Olympics:
Wasn't alive for this one.
>
>Elvis:
Too young for this one.
>
>Oklahoma City:
It was either a Tuesday or a Wednesday, and I was in the middle of my
weekly routine of being up for 36 hours straight in order to get the
campus arts & entertainment magazine (which I co-edited) finished on
time. My co-editor and I had wandered up to the roof of the building to
get the fresh air in hopes of waking up a little (and so he could smoke),
and he told me that he had just heard about it on the radio.
>OJ's Chase:
Was watching the Knicks-Rockets NBA Finals at the home of a friend (the
first ever net.friend I made) in Manhattan. We were very pissed off,
because NBC stopped showing the game for a long stretch, despite the fact
that nothing new was happening in the chase/stand-off, and every other
network was showing the same stuff, while NBC had exclusive rights to the
game (which, to be perfectly honest, we found more compelling).
>OJ's Acquittal: I went to a co-worker's home to watch it live. I said
>he'd get off. Suspenseful nonetheless.
Was sitting in a class -- ironically, a communications course about how
the media covers major news events -- and the teacher acceded to our
demands and turned on CNN (the communications building at Penn was wired
for cable in every classroom).
KJGoo
Andrew David Gross wrote:
> Actually, for all you Marylanders, the BIG question... bigger than
> Nixon... bigger than Elvis... bigger than the Challenger... (and obviously
> bigger than Kurt Cobain)...
>
> where were you when you heard about Len Bias?
scored the coup of getting Bias on top of that.....
My (then) boyfriend called me up and said, "Hey, did you hear about Len
Bias?"
Sure, he's the number one pick....
"No, he's dead."
That's not funny, that's sick....
About three years later, I met my husband--not a Terps fan, but a huge
Celtics fan....we have commiserated over the tragedies that have come to
the Green since June, 1986----sigh.
Beverly Martin
BobTard wrote:
>
> All right, all right. I'm sorry to taint your survey, John, but I suppose
> I'll have to answer my own damn question just for the sake of
> completeness:
>
>
> Challenger:
Unemployment Office (hadda get there early for better service) and I
was there reading a SF book and listening to taped music on my
headphones when I heard two Hispanic guys talking:
"Didja hear it blew up the teacher too?"
My heart froze. I sat maybe 30 seconds going over what the guy said...
then I just left the Office and went to a nearby 7-11. I called my
husband (who I thought I would awaken since he was working graveyard
shift at the time -- he awoke with a "feeling", turned on the tv and...
saw the incident not 5 minutes after the Challenger exploded) he was
startlingly awake and very solemn as he told me what happened.
I went home and watched the CNN coverage, ABC, CBS, NBC... all the time
crying and calling my fellow science fiction and space enthusiast
friends... we were all devastated. We still have the 4.5 hours of tape
we made that day.
I know how hard I wished that someone survived but I also wished that
if this was not to be the case, that they went quickly -- subsequently
over the board of inquiry, I found that neither was true.
This incident affected me as hard as my later reading back about the
Apollo 1 launch pad fire (I read this stuff in my teens...) -- which is
why the movie Apollo 13 just hit me in the solar plexus running that in
the beginning. But I digress.
I was outraged for the families to see their loved ones killed, but I
also remember the outrage I had felt at the media for the couple of
weeks before the explosion when people like Bryant Gumbel was
making/poking fun at NASA for not launching (remember all the glitches?)
sooner... I still think that some moron administrator at NASA didn't
want to look like he had egg on his face for not launching again --
instead he has blood on his hands. And we suffered a horrible
collective moment of shock/horror/incredulity/grief from a poorly made
bureaucratic decision and seven families were horribly affected for the
rest of their lives.
> USA over USSR:
Saw it, was cool.
But ***MY*** goosebump Olympic moment was this year (no NOT those
anorexic gymnists...) when the WOMEN'S BASKETBALL KICKED BUTT AND TOOK
NAMES!!!! I'm still looking for a jersey BTW!!! (preferably 2, one for
my nearly 3-yr old daughter)
> Nixon:
My mom had forced me to watch the Watergate nonsense (I was ten or
so...) so this was anticlimatic to me, I didn't feel betrayed just that
the a**hole who ruined my summer was finally gone. Of course we didn't
know what comedy fodder Ford was gonna be.
> Kurt Cobain:
Honestly didn't care.
Glad MTV intervened and hopefully prevented his fans from following him
into the abyss. Feel worse for his kid.
> Munich Olympics:
Again I was young and I was confused -- the Olympics was a "sacred"
sporting event (heard about those Greeks...) how good these people do
that?!?
> Elvis:
Oop-ack. He's still flipping burgers down at Burger Chef.
> Oklahoma City:
I was home, pregnant and horrifed.
Called my husband and we watched all those poor people being removed.
I didn't go along with the foreign nationals line of thought and I'm
gratified the President and Justice Dept. didn't either -- we could have
had lots of racially-motivated killings over it. The worse part of it,
was being right that Americans had committed this atrocity.
> OJ's Chase:
Was at work. Figured he's guilty. Wished he had offed himself.
> OJ's Acquittal:
Was at work. Whatta waste of taxpayer's dollars... hope the civil
trial gets it right.
And on the local front:
>Selena
Was at work. Some Tejano chick who I never heard of is now the
Elvis-anna of Corpus Christi.
But the NEXT day, some fired ex-employee walked into his former
employee's office and killed everybody there (6 people) but the boss'
daughter and infant granddaughter. I was also at work.
Worse comment I recall: One of my coworkers (who had overnight become a
Selena fan/martyr) said, "Was anybody famous killed?"
My response (surprisingly polite in hindsight): "What does THAT
matter??? People are dead... their families are destroyed!"
landbeck john
On 25 Dec 1996, Steve Lehmann wrote:
> >Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
>
> Kaiser? When was that. Archduke Ferdinand maybe, but not the
> Kaiser.
>
doh! My fact-checker must have missed that one...
> >15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
>
> 2 Micholobs, 1/2 pound of shrimp steamed in Old Bay seasoning, 2
> more Micholobs, 2 Back fin crabcakes w/FF and cole slaw, 3 more
> Micholobs, Cherry Pie w/coffee, a taxi!
>
Steamed, not boiled; this is important, if you've tasted the
difference!
______
John S. Landbeck jla...@gl.umbc.edu 1.410.296.0313
" `Americans are so enamored of equality, that they would rather be
equal in slavery than unequal in freedom' --de Tocqueville"
BobTard
All right, all right. I'm sorry to taint your survey, John, but I suppose
I'll have to answer my own damn question just for the sake of
completeness:
Where were you when...
Challenger: Freshman in college. I came back from lunch in the dining
hall and was walking down the hall when one of my friends said, "Hey, the
space shuttle blew up." I got so mad at him, thinking he was just joking.
He wasn't.
I sat in front of the television for the next hour watching replay after
replay of the explosion, from every camera angle possible. And I watched
footage of the parents of one of the astronauts who were there clapping
and cheering as it lifted off the pad, and who were horrified to see the
explosion seconds later.
I went to English class where the teacher started his lesson. He dived
right in and then noticed we were all stunned. "What's going on?" he
asked. "The Challenger blew up," someone managed to say. We spent the
next half hour talking about everything we'd heard, and then the lesson
continued. I remember sitting in the back row with my eyes welling with
tears, and the teacher saw me and stopped. "Bob, what's the matter?" "I
was just thinking about those parents watching their son die."
It was then I realized for the first time that the media isn't always
right, and that sometimes, people deserve to be left alone, no matter how
much some event might fall in "the public interest."
USA over USSR: I was in my bedroom listening to the radio while
pretending to practice my saxophone. This must have been sixth or seventh
grade. The DJ -- Shane, Brother Shane -- gave the score and I whooped.
When I saw the game later that evening on television, it was tape delayed,
of course, but it still sends chills up my spine whenever I see the
footage of the end of the game with Al Michaels screaming, "Do you believe
in miracles? Yes!"
I fell in love with hockey from that moment on.
Nixon: I was at my grandmother's house sitting in the living room watching
the president come on television. As I was six years old, I didn't know
what was going on, really. Someone came in and turned the TV off, telling
me to go outside and play. But it's the first time I remember hearing the
word "resign."
Kurt Cobain: My sister called me at work to tell me. I was angry more
than anything else. I've enjoyed Nirvana's music and saw them live at
SUNY-Buffalo, and it seemed a waste for someone with talent and money to
end his life in such a fashion. The song defined a generation and a
movement in popular music, but his passing didn't affect me in an
emotional way. There are lots of great musicians out there, and his death
left room in the spotlight for someone else.
Munich Olympics: I was almost five years old and was home watching the
television when the announcer said that guerillas had taken hostages and
were negotiating with German authorities. I couldn't for the life of me
figure out why gorillas would want to harm anyone (I'd probably seen
"Planet of the Apes" and assumed that talking primates were a common
occurrence).
Elvis: I was at Grandma Fisher's house when the announcement came over
the radio. The DJ -- Shane, Brother Shane -- played one Elvis tune after
another and took phone calls of people's memories of Elvis. I remember it
was a muggy night and I was dressed in my pajamas. I didn't know who
Elvis was, but I'd heard some of his songs and that they were pretty cool.
Oklahoma City: I couldn't tell you where I was when I heard it the first
time. I know I watched coverage of it all night, though.
OJ's Chase: The Snow Princess and I were watching a movie on HBO when the
phone rang. It was my sister Diana. "Are you watching this!" she
screamed. "Watching what?" "OJ! He's on the loose!" And we turned from
the movie to watch the rest of it. Frankly, it wasn't worth it -- the
surrender was rather anti-climactic.
OJ's Acquittal: I went to a co-worker's home to watch it live. I said
he'd get off. Suspenseful nonetheless.
Bob Chase
aka Bob...@aol.com
Cathlene Brady
The Challenger Explosion - I was taking a sick day from teaching school and
(unusual for me) watching daytime TV and saw it when it first came on.
the U.S. beating the USSR at the 1980 Olympics, - in Maryland, missing
upstate New York and Lake Placid and looking for friends in the crowd on TV
Nixon's resignation,- Did not seem to be as momentous event as the day when
LBJ said he would not seek re-election. It was the day before April Fool's day.
Kurt Cobain's suicide - I didn't know who he was. I just remember some
girl at work with a lot of peirced body parts being down about it.
Munich Olympics - No recollection at all.
Elvis' death - what? He's dead?!
Oklahoma City bombing - a sad event but I wasn't stunned, so I don't
remember
the OJ low-speed pursuit - strange. And old friend was visiting and we
had been talking a long time and thought we'd turn on the news and watch
the weather. Our reaction was "oh shit"
(and OJ's acquittal) - another non-stunner and I'd long since lost any
interest.
Lara Hartley
> In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.961222...@umbc9.umbc.edu>,
> landbeck john <jla...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
> >
> >1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> >for a living in five years?
Daily newspaper photograhper, small town Montana. Same job in five years
just different small town, some place warmer where I won't have
frostbitten fingers from covering the state high school football
championship. No more fulltime freelancing, too uncertain.
> >2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Small town eastern Montana for the past two years. Before that SF and Bay
Area. I would like to move to either north western NM, north eastern
Arizona, Nevada, or maybe Barstow California - a very funky town. Anywhere
warmer than here!
> >3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Didn't, waste of time. Thought the whole thing was a joke.
> >4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> >would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> >last question.
Apolitical.
> >5)Describe your home life.
Divorced female and enjoying every single moment. Son is mostly grown,
just graduated from law enforcement acadamy in California, brand new
deputy sheriff for San Luis Obispo County, CA. Oh my!
> >6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> >a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> >thinks of H:LotS?
Don't believe in organzied religion but do believe in some sort of supreme
being.
> >7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> >you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> >or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
Read too many in the past few weeks that have had some funny lines, mostly
mysteries (my latest craze). No book has really changed my behaviour but a
couple of books have been instrumental in changing my view of the world:
Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke and Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
> >8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Anything by Yeats
> >9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> >you to tears?
Just saw Shine while in SoCal. What a film!!!!
>
> >10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Two Girls and A Sailor (old b&w)
Favourite Concubine ( Chinese film - think I have the name slightly wrong)
Shine ( ranks right up there with my all time faves)
Rumblefish (early Francis F. Coppola)
Blade Runner
Anything with Gary Cooper (can't remember titles right now)
Any Hitchcock film
Any Garbo film
> >11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
> >
War & Peace (so I can finish it)
Childhood's End
Stranger in a Strange Land (Heinlen)
Foundation Trilogy (Asimov)
The Bible (always entertaining)
Smart Women, Foolish Choices <g>
Where the Wild Things Are (for the litle kid in me)
Chaos (James Glieck)
An unabridged dictionary
A book of Henri Cartier-Bresson's photos
> >
> >12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> >DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> >Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> >Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
>
Regan, yes. Lennon, yes. King, yes. Malcom X, no. The Kennedys, oh my yes.
the Kaiser? What Kaiser? If you mean the Archduke, then no...not that old
yet.
> >13)Describe your leisure activities of choice.
Photography, travel,camping, movies, beading, reading, driving around just
looking and of course the Net.
> >14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> >of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
>
The Net, reading, cleaning house. Somewhat different, too darn cold to go
outside and cleaning because people are coming this weekend and this is
the only time I have when not working!
> >15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Sushi and green tea ice cream. Not readily found in Montana, have to go
traveling for that meal. Fave home meal, cold cereal or fresh crab and
French bread.
> >16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> >today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Einstein and who cooks???? We would order out!
> >17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> >Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Usually have my own work on the walls and old family portraits. I would
love to have a Degas hanging my house.
> >18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Photography.
An ability to say the wrong thing in any given situation.
An absolute passion for living and learning and doing anything that I
haven't done before.
Making a horrible time funny in the retelling.
> >19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> >The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> >medium you choose to consume)?
Just went shopping at Barnes and Noble over the weekend so I bought:
All of Patricia Cornwalls mysteries I haven't read, "Blade Runner",
Netscape book 2.0.
Computer program, Netscape 2.0. Music: Helfgott's rendition of
Rachmaninof's 3rd Piano Concerto although I was looking the Horowitz
version and a blues CD.
> >20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> >but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> >how would you do it?
> >
Give a bunch to my sister's kids and my poor aunt. Buy all new camera gear
and a motor home for me so that I could travel and shoot. Give a bunch to
skin cancer research. Support kids who can't afford college.
> >21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Read some reviews and thought it sounded interesting...glad I did.
Lara
Todd
cbr...@csc.umd.edu (Cathlene Brady), aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>the OJ low-speed pursuit - strange. And old friend was visiting and we
>had been talking a long time and thought we'd turn on the news and watch
>the weather. Our reaction was "oh shit"
>
Much more telling about the OJ "chase" was the fact that NBC kept an inset of
the NBA playoffs on the screen the whole time. Semiotically, this speaks
volumes about our society.
Todd
Bruce Tennant
- BobTard wrote:
>
> By the way, here are some other "Where were you?" events I'd offer as
> icebreakers:
>
> The Challenger Explosion, the U.S. beating the USSR at the 1980 Olympics,
> Nixon's resignation, Kurt Cobain's suicide, Munich Olympics, Elvis' death,
> Oklahoma City bombing, the OJ low-speed pursuit (and OJ's acquittal).
>
- Challenger: day off, vegging on couch watching emptyV. Neighbor called
- with news knowing that my now retired father worked in the satellite
- industry (several of his projects were shuttle launched; he attended a few
- launches but not this one; he had met but did not really know a couple of
- the fated astronauts).
- U.S. v. U.S.S.R.: 10th grade. I can't remember if I watched it live or taped.
- Everyone going nuts (cold war in full effect).
- Nixon: I knew that he was largely hated but too young to really understand why.
- Nonetheless, I remember it well enough.
- Cobain: working at Tower. Quite a mix of reaction from staff. One coworker
- had attended college with him (he had a cuter-than-cute picture of Cobain holding
- his (coworker's) infant daughter). He was rather stoic about it.
- Munich: saw some of it on TV but didn't understand why.
- Elvis: our family was moving from Fremont, CA to Maryland at the time. I
- think we were in Louisville, KY that night. I remember Walter Cronkite
- finishing his newscast with the announcement.
- O.C., OK: at work; neither shocked nor detached. Remembered how The
- Newt liked to blame murders on welfare. It's pretty comical the way that the
- G.O.P.O.L. (Grand Old Party Of Liars) is handling The Newt's admission of
- "mistakes." Now they can dress him up to run for U.S. Senator for Virginia.
- O.J.: came home from wherever and watched for awhile; got annoyed at how
- long the media stayed on the chase. At work for the acquittal. A little surprised.
- Still not convinced of his guilt; media coverage was extremely weighted towards
- guilt, but most murder trial coverage is weighted that way. Have you noticed how
- much the media has followed up on Mark Fuhrman and his sick ilk? (To learn
- more about the media rent the film "Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky
- And The Media)
- Bruce
Todd
dave...@bigfoot.com, aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>If it's a boy, can we anticipate that you'll name him William Montel
>Chase? Fay Montel Chase, I assume, if it's a girl.
>
No, if it's a girl, how about Julianna? Can't believe such an offensive
character has such a great name.
Todd
Alan Sepinwall
In article <59rv15$d...@csun2.csun.edu>,
non-event that no one would've cared about if the person involved didn't
used to play football? Or that 90 million people decided to tune in to
watch it?
-Alan
Todd
(Alan Sepinwall), aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>What, that NBC interrupted an exciting sporting event to show a dull
>non-event that no one would've cared about if the person involved didn't
>used to play football? Or that 90 million people decided to tune in to
>watch it?
>
>-Alan
No, the fact that sport is revered to such a high degree in this society and
that the "chase" was raised to the level of sport. Witness the legions of
"fans" holding signs saying "Go OJ" when the man has just brutally killed his
wife and her friend. And before the "OJ is innocent" crowd gets going, take a
look at his actions immediately following the murders, then get back to me.
Sorry, but OJ holding a gun to his head while on the run (so to speak) from
the police does not constitute a "dull non-event." Everyone became bored with
it (me included) because of all the minutiae that accompanied the trial, but
the initial couple of days was anything but boring. And I was never even an
OJ fan.
His touching portrayal of Nordberg was quite moving, however.
Todd
Paulette
On 25 Dec 1996, Alan Sepinwall wrote:
> >All right, all right. I'm sorry to taint your survey, John, but I suppose
> >I'll have to answer my own damn question just for the sake of
> >completeness:
>
> And I'll be the first into the breach to follow up on Bob's questions..
> >
> >Where were you when...
> >
> >Challenger:
>
> I was in the fourth or fifth grade, playing hooky from school by faking
> an illness (I was Ferris Bueller before there was a Ferris Bueller). I
Waaaait, I was born in '73, too but I was in _seventh_ grade when the
Challenger exploded (damn, Mom always said I was a super-genius, but I had
no idea...). Anyway, seventh grade, living in England, it happened while
I was in my Girl Scout meeting after school and saw it as a breaking story
on the evening news.
> >USA over USSR:
Didn't witness it myself, but remember Dad trying to explain the
significance of it. I didn't care; I just wanted to watch figure skating.
Six years old, living in Dover, DE.
> >Nixon:
N/A
> >Kurt Cobain:
Junior year, Virginia Tech. Had a late afternoon class, then visited my
friend/pledge brother Jen's dorm room. Everyone on her hall had MTV on
and discussing it in loud, shocked tones, as if they knew him personally
or as if he was some grand tragic hero. Sad story, sure, but not
personally saddening to me. Was more surprised at the reactions around
me. (I was more personally shocked at the news my freshman year of Magic
Johnson testing HIV-positive.)
> >Munich Olympics:
N/A
> >Elvis:
Amanda shows her white-trash roots: living in a trailer park in Dover, DE
near Dover Downs, playing at a friend's house (trailer). Her mother runs
in, crying "The King <*sob, sob*> is dead!" My thought: that's dumb. We
don't have a _king_, we have a _president_. Couldn't have been more than
four.
> >Oklahoma City:
For the record, a Wednesday. The first I heard it was late afternoon from
my pop culture professor Dr. Marshall Fishwick (arrogant git); I had spent
all day working in a computer lab working on a paper for his class.
Watched it on the news all evening long.
> >OJ's Chase:
Home, just finished talking to my friend Jen. Had just taken a job at
*gack* Busch Gardens, so that was first and foremost on my mind. Call me
selfish.
> >OJ's Acquittal:
First year at Clemson, heading out the door to walk to campus for a class.
Me and my roommate sat there a few minutes, jaws open. Oddly, at the end
of my street, one of my classmates offered me a ride. She had discussed
before in class how she was an admirer of Johnnie Cochrane and thought OJ
was innocent; I, well, I didn't. The only thing we did discuss about it
was what a non-event, in the grand scheme.
If anyone's still reading this far, what about when the U.S. bombed Libya
in 1986? Did that get any sort of reaction over here?
How about when we began raids on Bagdhad in Desert Storm? Would you say
that's a pretty momentous event in recent history?
-- Amanda
Amanda K. Paulette--paulette@visi.net--http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~apaulet
"What _does_ make you tick?"
"Forces of good and evil at war with my soul, et cetera, et cetera..."
creepygirl
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
I'm a full time 3rd year law student at Arizona State Univ. In five
years, I hope to be an attorney specializing in environmental law or
water law.
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
I live in Tempe, AZ. I'd like to live in San Francisco for the temperate
weather, the cultural events, and the food.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Clinton.
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
Can't think of any that really stand out.
> 5)Describe your home life.
Eating, sleeping, housework, reading, watching TV, annoying my roommate.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
I have no affiliation. I believe that God is unlikely.
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
_Parliament of Whores_ made me LOL. _Command of the Waters_, a book
about the way Congress has prevented Native Americans from enforcing
their judicially-granted water rights, has made me question how much, if
any, impact the judicial system has on our society. I can't think of an
author who has never disappointed me.
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock.
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
This is really embarrassing to admit, but the episode of The Simpsons
in which Bleeding Gums Murphy died had me a little weepy. The only
explanation I can give for this is that I've been very moody lately.
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Casablanca, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, The Graduate, Animal
Crackers, Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie (though I'd much
prefer to bring a classic TV episode), Bull Durham, The Player, Vertigo,
Annie Hall, Better Off Dead.
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Hocus Pocus, Pride and Prejudice, Jane Eyre, Hamlet, China Boy, Memoirs
of an Invisible Man, Smilla's Sense of Snow, Snow Falling Upon Cedars,
Silence of the Lambs, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
No to all except Reagan.
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Internet, rollerblading, reading, hanging out with friends.
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Shopped. Because I procrastinated and didn't buy presents until the last
minute.
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Ginger ale, clam chowder, tomato and cucumber in vinagrette, shrimp
cocktail, rack of lamb, roasted potatoes, and coffee ice cream smothered
in bittersweet hot fudge sauce. That's more than I could eat in a week,
but sometimes you need to splurge.
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
A close friend of mine who died a few years ago, because I miss her. I'd
cook stuffed peppers, because that's the only thing I can make that
tastes like real home cooking.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
I have prints of Impressionist paintings--Monet, Degas--and a few
others--Gaugain (sp?), Van Gogh. With an unlimited budget, I'd like for
the replicas to be real.
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
I'm really good at making nitpicky distinctions that hardly anyone cares
about.
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
The Age of Innocence (which I haven't read yet)
Glider for Mac
Cocteau Twins
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
I'd spend it on better housing, better facilities for underfunded public
schools, better public libraries.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I'd seen snippets of the show from time to time, but was distracted by
the camera-jiggling. I heard the hype about the Robin Williams episode,
but only saw the last scene of that one. I first started seriously watching
the infamous white gloves series of episodes, because I was fascinated by
Pembleton's crisis of faith. I got hooked by the episodes in which Kay,
Stan, and Beau got shot.
--creepygirl
Deborah E Sager
Fulltime lurker, partime poster. Here goes...
: landbeck john wrote:
:
: > 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
: > for a living in five years?
I'm a student at the University of Pennsylvania, and probably a
music major. In five years, I pray, with luck and lessons, I might have
the vocal ability to be a professional chorus member in an opera
company. Very unlikely, but I can dream.
: > 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
I live in Northern VA. I go to school in Philadelphia. My
suburb's okay, I like Philadelphia, L.A., and D.C., but I'd love to see
London. I'm quite the anglophile.
: > 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Clinton.
: > 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
: > would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
: > last question.
None, really.
: > 5)Describe your home life.
Cleaverish (as in the Beav.) Mom, Dad, older sister (lives in
L.A.), younger brother, younger sister, temporary dog.
: > 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
: > a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
: > thinks of H:LotS?
I'm a conservative Jew, who's at home in Reform services but not
in Orthodox ones. I do believe in God, but my view of God is rather
deistic. God loves H:LotS, because good acting is holy in the eyes of
the Lord. Really.
: > 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
: > you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
: > or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
Laurie King's The Beekeeper's Apprentice. Catch-22 made me
think. Shakespeare, Ellis Peters, Tom Stoppard, James Thomas Flexner, Cecil
Adams and Laurie King have never disappointed me. Agatha Christie,
Joseph Heller, Anne Perry, and Dumas pere almost never. James and
William Goldman are up there.
: > 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
In Flanders Fields (can't remember author)
The Cremation of Sam McGee (Service)
Sonnet 130 (Shakespeare)
: > 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
: > you to tears?
The Killing Fields. The last movie that left me an incoherant
sobbing wreck was Kurosawa's Ran.
: > 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
The Sting, North by Northwest, The Princess Bride, The Usual
Suspects, A Fish Called Wanda, Toy Story, Trevor Nunn's version of
Twelfth Night, either the BBC Hamlet (w/Derek Jacobi) or Branaugh's new
Hamlet, The Killing Fields, and The Lion in winter (or Rear Window. Can
I please have 11?)
: > 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
The complete works of William Shakespeare, Catch-22, Twenty Years
After, The Beekeeper's Apprentice, a book containing Stoppard's plays
Hapgood, Arcadia, R&G are Dead and Dogg's Hamlet Cahoot's McBth; A big
book on the American Revolution, Brother Cadfael's 4th omnibus, The
Reduced Shakespeare Comapany's The Complet Wrks of Wllm Shkspr, One
Corpse too Many, and one huge binder of all of my sheet music.
: > 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
: > DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
: > Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
: > Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
I was around for Reagan & Lennon, but I was too young to remember.
: > 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Singing, Acting, Dancing, reading, playing the piano, watching
movies, talking & joking with friends, fighting the patriarchy <g>
: > 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
: > of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
I read. No place to act or dance, didn't feel like singing or
playing the piano, and my friends are spread across the country at the
moment. I'm leaving the patriarchy alone in honor of Christmas. Oh
yeah, I watched a movie.
: > 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Indian food. I'd describe it, but I'd need to see a menu for the
correct names of the dishes. Gulab Jamin for dessert. Darjeeling Tea.
: > 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
: > today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Eleanor of Aquitaine, Rabbi Akiva, Richard III (a much maligned king)
William Shakespeare, and Lt. Col. John Laurens (Amer. Rev. patriot, died
1782.) We'd have Chinese. Grandfather Chicken, Sweet and Sour Chicken,
Beef and Broccoli, a Vegatable dish, and a Lo Mein dish. Vegatable Rolls
and chicken dumplings all around.
: > 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
: > Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
I have posters from my shows, a huge Hugh Grant poster, and
pictures of H:LotS actors (and one of Noah Wyle w/Big Bird.) I'd like to
have Seruat's A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte,
something of Hopper's, something of Magritte's, and that painting of
Caillbotte's (what is the title?!). Also Boesch's the Garden of Earthly
Delights, but not in the bedroom.
: > 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Sing well, act pretty well, dance ok. Good at trivia games.
Good with kids. Make my friends & family laugh. Play the piano. Can
curse fluently in ASL. I give damn good back massages.
: > 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
: > The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
: > medium you choose to consume)?
Book - A Guide for Mystery Authors (paraphrasing the title)
Movie - Four Weddings and a Funeral (for a friends, but I will
buy one for myself.)
Computer - I downloaded Noteworthy Composer from Netscape.
CD - She Loves Me (original, with Barbara Cook. I still like the
revival better though.)
: > 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
: > but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
: > how would you do it?
I'd renovate the public schools in D.C. and Philadelphia. I'd finance
the building of a Metro station out where I live. I'd give a huge chunk to
my group, Penn Singers. I'd build Penn some decent performing Arts
space, for performance, scene shop, and rehersal. I'd build Interlochen
Arts Camp a new music building on the condition that they named it after
the camp choir director Hugh Ferguson Floyd.
: > 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I read Tom Shales' review of the 2nd season in the Washington
Post. I turned on the show because of the review, and I was hooked.
Reading over my post, I noticed that I left out a lot of names
and titles for all of this stuff that I love. Forgive me, it's late.
And forgive my spelling.
- Deb
--
Deborah Sager, Madame Librarian, Lyric Mezzo, and Social Sphenoid
The Penn Singers present IOLANTHE March 20, Cami Hall New York City
& April 3, 4, 5 Annenberg Zellerbach Theatre
FIGHT THE PATRIARCHY!
(And the matriarchy, if it ever did exist.)
Kenneth Chih-Hung Shei
landbeck john (jla...@gl.umbc.edu) wrote:
: 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
: for a living in five years?
do problem sets and write papers. i'm freshman at stanford university..
(i've met the infamous schlock). i haven't decided what i'm majoring in
yet, much less what i want to be doing in five years, but i kind of hope
to be in grad school in five years.
: 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
:
when i'm not at school, i live in Lexington, MA, suburb of Boston and
birthplace of America. i would like to live in the Bawstin or Noo Yawk
area, because they've got the arts, sports, and good drivers (yeah right)
but having been out west a few months, i would also consider living in
california -- the weather is a *little* better.
: 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
:
was under 18 at the time. probably would have voted for clinton or nader
: 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
: would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
: last question.
:
pro-legalization of marijuana, similar to the way tobacco is legal, but
regulated. i also favor increasing the age when you can first drive to 17
or so, but i favor reducing the legal drinking age to 18 or so.
also, on the subject of the internet, i believe that one of the more
obscene things is the Communications Decency Act.
: 5)Describe your home life.
:
don't really do anything useful while at home, since i'm a student.
sometimes, i just watch sports or read magazines or the newspaper. i guess
i hope to be working this summer, so i'll probably have less time to
waste.
: 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
: a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
: thinks of H:LotS?
:
i'd probably describe myself as agnostic.. i've thought about whether God
exists, but i haven't really come up with an answer that i'm sure of. i
think God would think H:LotS is the best damn show on tv.
: 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
: you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
: or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
:
dave barry usually makes me laugh, but i've never read a book by him, only
his column. i guess the last book that made me laugh was catch-22.
i'm not really sure what the last book was that changed my
behavior/beliefs. i don't know if i would consciously be aware of the
book's impact at first, anyways.
tom clancy never disappoints..
: 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
:
love song of j. alfred prufrock (sp?) by t.s. eliot
: 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
: you to tears?
:
it's a wonderful life.
: 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
:
casablanca, it's a wonderful life, dr. strangelove, apocalypse now, rain
man, top gun, crimson tide, indiana jones and the raiders of the lost ark,
scent of a woman, heat
: 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
:
complete works of shakespeare, dictionary, book on how to survive in
wilderness or build a boat, something by tom clancy and dave barry.
with the room that's left over, i guess i'd choose other great works of
literature or philosophy. maybe war and peace, since i've never read it
and would probably have time to get through it if i were stranded on a
desert island.
: 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
: DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
: Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
: Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
:
none of the above
: 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
:
playing basketball or volleyball, watching sports on TV, playing bridge,
listening to music, watching tv or a movie, reading, hanging out with
friends, surfing the internet
: 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
: of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
:
surfed the internet. no bowl games for a while (except for Navy beating
the Cal weenies yesterday -- woo hoo!), too cold to stay outside for a
long time. actually, the simplest reason that the answers are different
is because i've been on the internet the last five hours.
: 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
:
favorite meal would be shrimp and lobster. drink: anything i normally
drink, desert: strawberry ice cream.
: 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
: today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
:
einstein. i have no culinary ability.. i think i can manage to make a
grilled cheese sandwich without messing up too badly though.
: 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
: Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
:
don't have any artwork in either my room at school or my bedroom at home.
we have a few paintings around the house, though.
with an unlimited budget, i'd like to have a bunch of posters and
paintings of anything: scenery, escheresque stuff, sports action photos,
etc.
: 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
:
a good listener, usually have a good sense of humor, used to be good at
math, ability to put things off until the last minute.
: 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
: The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
: medium you choose to consume)?
:
last books i've purchased were textbooks for classes. never purchased a
movie. last computer program: can't remember, probably some really bad
game. last music CD: grateful dead: "the arista years" and bob dylan:
"desire"
: 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
: but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
: how would you do it?
:
i'd probably give money to multiple charities. i guess
i'd donate a lot to education though.
: 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
:
hmm, i don't really remember. i think i may have read a little blurb on
it in some magazine. the first episode i remember seeing was "all through
the house" and after that, i was hooked.
----------
Kenny Shei
ks...@leland.stanford.edu
Blood. Usually a surefire sign that somebody did something to somebody.
(Detective Pembleton, to Detective Bayliss) from _Homicide: Life on the
Street_, episode 413, "I've Got a Secret"
eyeb...@interpath.com
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.961222...@umbc9.umbc.edu>,
landbeck john <jla...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
Editor of a small press magazine. Now, if you want to split hairs and
point out that this occupation cannot be said to provide a living, you're
right. I'd have to know you better to reveal how the bills get paid. But
editing a magazine is what I do all day long.
In five years I hope to have finished that novel I'm halfway through, but
I'm not optimistic.
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
I live in Asheville, NC, way up in the Smoky Mts. This *is* where I'd
like to live, which is why I live here.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Tried to vote for Nader, but when I discovered he wasn't on the ballot, I
defaulted to Clinton.
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
Any and all mind-altering substances should be legalized immediately. No,
I haven't used any myself in many years (don't even drink), but that
particular black market has got to be vastly worse than the alternative.
> 5)Describe your home life.
I live comfortably with my wife, two dogs (one goofy idiot and one
humorless hyper-intelligent manipulator) and two cats that only live here
on weekends.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
I am a member of no religion.
I'm probably agnostic, if forced to admit it.
H:LOTS is God's favorite show. Why else would it still be on the air
after all those years of crappy ratings and erratic scheduling?
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
William Gibson's "Idoru" yanked auduble chuckles from me.
My beliefs were changed by Mandelbrot's "The Fractal geometry of Nature,"
though it didn't alter my behavior so'se I'd notice.
Elmore Leonard has never disappointed.
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
"The Bells" by E.A. Poe It rocks.
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
Naked confession time: It was the most recent ep of "Relativity," the
collision of the two families at Christmas. When the male protag's father
began to gradually lose it in front of the female protag's father. This
guy is a genuinely tragic figure. The show is soapy and teacly, but, IMO,
it has a dramatic core of pure carbon steel.
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
I wouldn't take any. A beloved movie would be ruined after the first
fifty viewings, and why bother with crap? I'd prefer to just sit there on
teh island and slowly go insane.
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
See above.
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
I can vividly picture what I was doing for every one but the Kaiser.
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Reading, watching movies, watching some TV, usenet, solving knotty Quark
Xpress problems (in that order).
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
Entirely taken up with the internet.
The answer's different because I've been away for a while & had a lot of
email & usenet to catch up on.
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Don't really have one. I'm one of those people who don't look upon food
as entertainment.
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Nikola Tesla, and I'd order in some Chinese so as not to waste a minute of
my time with him.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
Lots of folk art, some book posters.
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
I'd utilize my unlimited budget in other areas.
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
I'm a pretty good prose doctor (though a so-so writer).
I can make versions of Word Perfect older than 6.0 stand up and bark.
I am a superb clip-art collagist.
I can twiddle my fingers in a particular way that no one else has ever
been able to duplictate. I discovered this talent at age seven, and it
remains with me to this day.
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
Book: "Mr. Wilson's cabinet of Wonders" by Lawrence Weschler
Unfair question, for me, because in my position as an editor,
publishers send me for free most of the books I'd be buying.
Movie: "A Christmas Story" the Jean Shepard flick.
Unfair question: who buys? last two movies rented & enjoyed were
"Things To Do in Denver When You're Dead" and the old Kubrick thriller
"The Killing."
Software: Quark Xpress, but that was two years ago.
CD: "K" by Kula Shaker--best pure pop rock'n'roll group in a long time,
at least since Oasis began to self-destruct. Best seasonal CD: "Frosty
the Bluesman."
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
I'd start a book publishing house & pay writers what they're *really* worth.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Time-shifted the first ep as it came on after the Superbowl (and I hate
football). When I viewed it later, I was dumbstruck. Haven't missed an
ep since, and those first couple of seasons that took some doing.
eyebrown
Ceon Ramon
Sure; why not. It's snowing heavily, and the amusement value of watching
the bluejays and crows fight over the suet balls on the deck railing has
palled.
>1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
>for a living in five years?
Until recently I was a research analyst at the University of Washington. I
quit last year in order to concentrate on free-lance writing, at which I
am not making a living. (The occasional few hundred dollars here and
there; I'm not incompetent.) I do some editing for money.
>2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
I live in Seattle, Washington. Having experienced the joys of L.A.,
Philadephia, and Manhattan for, respectively, three years, two years, and
eighteen months, I am overjoyed to be home again in Seattle. You'll have
to carry me out in a casket.
>3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Clinton.
>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>last question.
I am distinguished by political beliefs that are so based in common sense
and fundamental ethical positions that they make me quite an oddity in
party politics. (That's a joke, folks.)
>5)Describe your home life.
Peaceful and happy.
>6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
>thinks of H:LotS?
I could probably be described as a deist of some stripe. Last week
I was told I sounded like a Taoist.
>7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>you laugh out loud?
P.J. O'Rourke's _Parliament of Whores_.
>WWTLBYR that changed your behavior or beleifs?
I've read books that have corrected my misapprehensions about the material
world, but I can't think of any that have fundamentally altered either my
behavior or beliefs, although there have been many that have contributed
to my belief system, such as it is.
>What authors have never disappointed you?
Jane Austen, W.H. Auden, Iris Murdoch. I'd add George Eliot were it not
for that damned _Silas Marner_, and Henry James if the first five minutes
of reading him weren't agonizingly boring until you adjust your rhythms to
his.
>8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
The one that springs to mind right now is Gerard Manley Hopkin's "God's
Grandeur."
>9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
>you to tears?
Babette's Feast.
>10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
On the unlikely chance that there would be functional movie-showing
paraphernalia available, I'd probably pick ten documentary films on
subjects such as "How to Construct Basic Shelter," "How to Forrage for
Food," and "How to Recognize Poisonous Flora and Fauna in [name of
relevant geographical location]."
>11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
A complete Shakespeare, three anthologies of poetry from the 17th, 18th,
and 19th centuries, and six large blank books,
>12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
>DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
>Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Only the Kaiser. Poor cousin Willy!
>13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Reading, writing, long walks, cooking.
>14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>of leisure time.
Cleaning the kitchen cupboards, reading newsgroups, watching the snow
falling on the firs and pines in the back yard.
>Why are these answers different?
Really, John! The cupboards have to be cleaned _sometime_.
>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
A two-pound tin of fresh Beluga caviar and a bottle of well-chilled
Russian vodka. Forget the dessert.
>16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
In order of preference:
My husband, who is in India right now. (spinach and mushroom pizza,
because he likes it.)
My mother, who died in 1984. (oyster stew, because that was her favorite
treat.)
Iris Murdoch, Friedrich Nietzsche, Samuel Pepys, William James.
That lot would have to settle for halibut broiled on a bed of fresh garlic
and ginger, baked sweet potato, and parsley salad, because that's what
I'm having for dinner and it's snowing too hard to trudge out to the
store. (I'm a non-driver and the nearest market is a mile away.)
>17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
Most of the wall space is taken up by windows and bookcases. There are
some old Native American baskets I inherited from a great-aunt.
>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
"Guernica." (Just kidding again. Can you imagine _living_ with that?)
Maybe a Matisse or a Hopper, or if I had the money to buy art I'd start
visiting galleries regularly and see what local artists are doing.
>18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Writing, analytical ability, good nature, and loyalty.
>19)What was the last book your purchased?
_G.E. Moore and the Cambridge Apostles_, Paul Levy.
>The last movie?
>The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
>medium you choose to consume)?
I don't buy movies or computer programs (that's my husband's bailiwick);
the last recording I bought was a tape by Lori Anderson.
>20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>how would you do it?
I'd buy a small island in the San Juans and start a writer's colony.
>21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
Happened upon it by chance one Friday evening two seasons ago and was
immediately hooked.
--Barbara
Len
>> 1)What do you do for a living?
Aerospace engineering.
>> What do you hope to be doing for a living in five years?
No hope, just more of the same.
>> 2)Where do you live?
Seattle
>> Where would you like to live, and why?
Somewhere by the ocean, a couple hundred miles from the nearest large
city.
>> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Didn't. Would have voted for Clinton, though.
>> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>> last question.
Can't think of any.
>> 5)Describe your home life.
Read, write, eat, sleep, watch tv, interact mostly by email and the
telephone.
>> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>> a member?
None.
>> Do you believe in God?
No. Although I do talk to him from time to time. He never talks
back.
>> What do you think God thinks of H:LotS?
He being a figment of my imagination, I'd say he pretty much agrees
with me on everything: thumbs up on H-LOTS.
>> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>> you laugh out loud?
Judges 4.17 -- Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of
Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite: for there was peace between Jabin
the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite.
Judges 4.18 -- And Jael went out to meet Sisera, and said unto him,
Turn in, my lord, turn in to me; fear not. And when he had turned in
unto her into the tent, she covered him with a mantle.
Judges 4.19 -- And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little
water to drink; for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk, and
gave him drink, and covered him.
Judges 4.20 -- Again he said unto her, Stand in the door of the tent,
and it shall be, when any man doth come and inquire of thee, and say,
Is there any man here? that thou shalt say, No.
Judges 4.21 -- Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and
took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the
nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was
fast asleep and weary. So he died.
For some macabre reason I find this scene funny. Told a friend of
mine about it once, and he said, "Guess she really nailed that
sucker!"
>> WWTLBYR that changed your behavior or beleifs?
Dick, Jane, and Sally started me reading. But that was a long time
ago. A Modern Priest Looks At His Outdated Church freed me of my
Catholicism. That was also a long time ago. Focussing by Eugene
Gendlin made me understand that I was more together than virtually all
the psychotherapists I'd known.
>> What authors have never disappointed you?
Plato, Tolstoy, Faulkner. All the biggies.
>> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Was it Shakespeare who wrote the poem that begins "What A Piece Of
Work Is Man"? That's the one that leaps to mind.
>> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved you to tears?
The scene in Schindler's List where they put the stones on Schindler's
grave.
>> /TV show you watched that moved you to tears?
Can't think of one.
>> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
In the order I thought of them: Pulp Fiction, Natural Born Killers,
The Blues Brothers, Smokey And The Bandit, Children Of Paradise, Jonah
Who Will Be 25 In The Year 2000, Cousin Cousine, Bull Durham, An
Officer And A Gentleman, The Shawshank Redemption.
>> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
The biggies, to make 'em last: the Bible, complete Shakespeare,
complete Jane Austen, the unabridged Mark Twain volume 1, Joyce's
Ulysses, a collection of Henry James's short novels, Bartlett's
Familiar Quotations, a big dictionary, the Illuminatus Trilogy,
something by Joseph Heller that I haven't read yet.
>> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
Stayed home from work that day, didn't have a tv, didn't turn on the
radio. Toward the end of the day I had to go out. Heard the news on
the radio in the drug store, after it was all over and they knew he
was going to be all right. Felt indifferent. Thought it would be
just as bad with Bush as President, a perception that I think has
since been borne out. I've always had trouble telling Republicans
apart anyway. That night I looked out my window at another apartment
and saw their tv playing the shooting over and over again. It was
weird.
>> DYRTSO John Lennon?
Again, I was out of touch with the media that day. An old girl friend
who didn't care about rock and roll - her faves were Johnny Mathis and
Tony Orlando - called me up. We were trying to convince ourselves
that we could get back together. She dropped into the conversation
that Lennon had been killed, as breezily as though it were the vice
president of Argentina. I was heartbroken. Up all night, listening
to the nonstop Lennon songs on the radio. Went out at 4 o'clock to
buy the morning paper. Surprised and gratified at the extent of the
coverage - we Baby Boomers had just barely begun our takeover of the
media then. Tried to go to work, but went home to bed after an hour.
Cried lavishly while the music played. An old friend of mine from
years before called me up - the incident sparked us to renew our
friendship. Then along about 2 or 3 that afternoon, I realized that I
didn't know John Lennon personally, had no way of knowing whether I'd
even like him if I did know him. That it was Yoko's loss and little
Sean's, not really mine. And then I didn't feel so bad anymore. I
still wish he were around to talk sense sometimes, when the subject of
censorship or some such fundamentalist nonsense comes up.
>> DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King?
Home with my parents, we were painting the interior of our new house.
Numb, I was in shock. Had no idea yet just what a horror 1968 would
become.
>> DYRTSO Malcolm X?
Didn't move me that much. I didn't get around to reading his autobiog
until several years later. I remember feeling reassured when it
developed that his killers were black. Maybe I was vaguely afraid a
race war was in our future.
>>DYRTSO Robert Kennedy?
I remember that I resented him running for president - I was for Gene
McCarthy. He seemed callow and a bit of an opportunist to me. But he
won me over in the few weeks he was a candidate, and when I saw he was
in a position to win, I felt glad. So when I woke up in the middle of
that night I turned the radio on mainly to get a confirmation that he
had indeed won the primary, which pretty much would have locked up the
nomination for him. Hearing the hushed tones of the aftermath of the
shooting, I remember feeling deep despair. This is what happens when
somebody speaks out for social justice, I thought. It seemed to me
almost mathematical. Jesus, JFK, MLK, RFK ---> murder. And 1968 was
to get even worse.
>>DYRTSO John F. Kennedy?
Yeah, personal disasters aside, that was the worst day of my life. Up
until then I thought it was only going to get better and better in the
world.
>>DYRTSO the Kaiser?
No, but I remember the whistling song "I Was Kaiser Bill's Batman",
which was a big hit when I was in high school. Everybody in the
school was whistling that song all over the place, including in study
halls, where it really used to piss the teachers off.
>> 13)Describe your leisure activities of choice.
See question 5 above.
>> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
They're not.
>> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
My own picadillo over rice, decaf, a banana.
>> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Martin Buber maybe, if the language problem could be overcome. I'd
have quite a few questions for him. We'd eat out.
>> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
None.
>> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
I think I'd just do a tour of three or four museums of the world, and
impulsively point at paintings, saying, "That one ... that one ...
that one." What I'd pick would depend on what mood I was in that day
and might vary widely. I kind of like Bill Gates's idea of changing
the art on the walls electronically, and maybe I'd go that way.
>> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
See question 5. Beyond that, I seem to have a certain talent for
getting people in offices to talk to each other about things they
disagree on, and approach a kind of consensus, however superficial it
works out to be in the long run.
>> 19)What was the last book your purchased?
I don't remember. These days I mostly download classic texts from the
internet.
>> The last movie?
Dead Man Walking. It rather disappointed me.
>>The last music CD (or whatever medium you choose to consume)?
The two Oasis CD's.
>> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>> how would you do it?
Set up a foundation or two. Hire some professionals to figure out
where my wealth could do the most good at any given time. As for
causes, the number of underemployed Ph.D.'s rather alarms me, more for
what it says about the values of our world than about the personal
difficulties it causes them. I'd want to promote literacy, computer
and otherwise. I'd want to put my drops in the bucket regarding the
usual illnesses and economic woes. I'd try not to have too many
illusions about what I could accomplish, even with a vast fortune.
Like JC said: "The poor you'll always have with you."
>> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
NYPD Blue was pissing me off. Russell and Mrs. Sip were insipid.
Simone hadn't established himself. There wasn't enough of Lt. Fancy.
I was reading their news group, and somebody mentioned H-LOTS as a
superior alternative in relatively realistic tv drama. So I tried it
and liked it. That was a year or so ago. I don't post very much
because I usually find that everything's been said by the time I get
my thoughts together. I'm eagerly awaiting the syndication run so I
can get caught up. The idea that older episodes may be even better
than these is pure delight to a latecomer.
--
Len <--- not in the clique. doesn't care.
--------...@nwlink.com--------------------
My site: reviews, comments, humor. Whatever.
-----------------------------------------------
--http://www.nwlink.com/~lenpacnw/index.htm----
Bruce Tennant
- seep...@aol.com wrote:
> >The Newt's admission of "mistakes." Now they can
> >dress him up to run for U.S. Senator for Virginia.
>
-
> Virginia doesn't want him!
>
Fortunately, Virginia didn't want Ollie either. Now if we can - only convince North Carolina about Jesse.
- Bruce
- Read The Nation
Ceon Ramon
In article <59v37l$9...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
Ceon Ramon <ce...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
>
>A two-pound tin of fresh Beluga caviar and a bottle of well-chilled
>Russian vodka. Forget the dessert.
I have changed my mind. For dessert: two perfect strawberries.
--Barbara
seep...@aol.com
In article <32C1D5...@erols.com>, Bruce Tennant <bruc...@erols.com>
writes:
>The Newt's admission
>of
>"mistakes." Now they can dress him up to run for U.S. Senator for
>Virginia.
>
>
Virginia doesn't want him!
Tricia Bartoo----aka seep...@aol.com Richmond VA
Todd
(Ceon Ramon), aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
>
>"Guernica." (Just kidding again. Can you imagine _living_ with that?)
>Maybe a Matisse or a Hopper, or if I had the money to buy art I'd start
>visiting galleries regularly and see what local artists are doing.
Hey, I have the Guernica on my wall! But since you mentioned Hopper, you're
forgiven. ;-)
>I don't buy movies or computer programs (that's my husband's bailiwick);
>--Barbara
10 points for using the word "bailiwick." Always a fave!
Todd
Ceon Ramon
In article <59u3a9$4...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>,
Kenneth Chih-Hung Shei <ks...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>do problem sets and write papers. i'm freshman at stanford university..
>(i've met the infamous schlock).
Good heavens, has she become infamous? What did she do, and did she get
arrested doing it? Will it prevent her from running for president
eventually? I hope not; I was planning on voting for her twenty years
from now.
--Barbara, anxious
Todd
ce...@u.washington.edu (Ceon Ramon), aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>Sure, but how many points do I lose for misplacing the apostrophe in
>Hopkins' name?
>
>--Barbara
But just think how much we all respect you for your honesty.
Todd
Ceon Ramon
In article <59vh90$d...@csun2.csun.edu>,
Todd <tpre...@pepvax.pepperdine.edu> wrote:
>(Ceon Ramon), aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>>I don't buy movies or computer programs (that's my husband's bailiwick);
>10 points for using the word "bailiwick." Always a fave!
Sure, but how many points do I lose for misplacing the apostrophe in
Hopkins' name?
--Barbara, and if you think I'm not kicking myself for forgetting to take
my unabridged dictionary to that island...
Niffer
BobTard wrote:
> Where were you when...
>
> Challenger:
I was in ninth grade and I was geting into the school bus (which was
really a station wagon -- small private school) when someone mentioned
it. I thought they were joking. So did everyone else. It was a half
day, so I got home early and saw the news. I was horrified when they
showed the parents' reaction on TV. Incidentally, that day was the same
day that a public school bus (the big yellow one) accidentally ran over a
little girl in my neighborhood, and it was the same day the doctors told
my mom my grandfather had only 6 weeks to live. A pretty bad day.
> USA over USSR:
I only vaguely remember this one. This was before I liked hockey.
> Nixon:Don't remember.
> Kurt Cobain:
Heard it on the news. Didn't really care.
> Munich Olympics:
Nope.
> Elvis:
Nope again.
> Oklahoma City:
I was in Joppatowne, MD at my boyfreind's house (now ex). We slept in
late as usual. I got up at wround 11 or noon to eat something, saw the
news coverage on TV. I asked his sister what was going on, she said that
some bomb had gone off and none of the soaps were being shown. I went
back to bed. Later on, when we both got up for good, I watched some more
of the coverage -- enough to figure out what was bombed where.
> OJ's Chase:
Missed it. I was at work -- the closing shift. The next morning I heard
about it and my mom described it to me as surreal.
> OJ's Acquittal:
I was at work, again. A lot of people were in the TV department (I work
in a dept. store) watching the announcement. Immediately afterwards, a
lot of people went on break and discussed the verdict. One of my
associates was disappointed, but she commented that her husband would be
glad. Since I didn't follow the trial, I didn't have an opinion, except
that he should've been imprisoned for beating Nicole.
-- Niffer
landbeck john
I'd just like to say that I have really enjoyed reading the
responses to this survey; frankly, some of the questions were included to
get recommendations on movies to watch, books to read, good food to try,
etc. I knew I would not be disappointed.
Now, if only this thread will last until schlock, Jason Lempka,
and Jim Hill return from sabbatical...
On Sun, 22 Dec 1996, landbeck john wrote:
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
>
I manage a small store by myself in Lutherville, MD, and am
shortly about to bravely enter the field of Real Estate (so if any of you
are looking to buy, sell, or process property in Harford County, MD, give
me a nod).
Once, I had hoped to be a school teacher. But these days, no
one's hiring Social Studies majors. So, in five years, I hope to have
started and finished law school, and started practicing law with my
father. Of course, I'd REALLY like to be a published author by then,
too...
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
>
In Harford County MD. I left here for school in 1985, and never
thought I'd return, yet found myself moving back in 1994. I think I'd
really like to live in Utah again, because it's such a beautiful state,
and I could again justify owning a four-wheel drive vehicle. But my
family goes back three generations in this county, and that's a social
inheritance I'd like my kids to have also. So I guess I'll live here.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
>
Dole.
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
>
I am not pro-death penalty, though only for financial reasons;
it's less expensive to imprison someone for life than to kill them.
Morally, I have no problem conceding that it is socially imperitave to
remove people from the planet if they prove themselves capable of behaving
in certain fashions.
I am in favor of much stricter gun control laws. I am more than
willing to concede my second amendment rights in order to have fewer guns
extant and available. We live in a completely different world than the
framers did. I think most of the folks howling in protest of gun
legislation are wildly paranoid (that any gun restriction is a slippery
slope leading to the government taking all of everybody's guns; though I
personally wouldn't mind that, either...) and fatally steeped in
hollywood-style machismo ("I am the only one who can protect me and
mine", etc).
> 5)Describe your home life.
>
Deliriously old-fashioned. My wife stays home with the kids,
while I struggle to provide enough to keep us in-doors and in food (Her
choice, mind you, which I strongly endorse, but her choice). Religion is
a factor, described below. No pets, four kids is plenty of fun. We try
to date (w/o kids) at least twice out of every three weeks, and staying
home to watch Homicide after the brood is in bed doesn't count.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
>
I am Mormon (which, for any of the under-informed, _is_ a
Christian religion). I hold a very literal and orthodox (I think) view of
God, that he is omnipotent and omniscient, and will be the eventual judge
and rewarder of all of us, our rewards being measured according to the
decisions we make. He is a real entity, with a perfect paternal concern
for us.
As for Homicide, I expect God is pleased when we consider the hard
questions of mortality in dramatic form, especially when the drama is
well-done. He probably thought the Hostage two-parter at the beginning of
this season was cheesey.
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
>
LOL funny was Al Franken's _Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot_
(which, BTW is true; he is a biased and horribly mean person who happens
to hold opinions similar to mine on some issues, and I am deeply
embarassed to have anything in common with him).
Everytime I really take the time to read the scriptures, I think
my beliefs are at least refined. Secularly, reading the Bill of Rights
recently persuaded me to be more tolerant of others.
I almost always like Orson Scott Card's books, and Tom Clancy's
are always a good read.
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
>
Dylan Thomas' _Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night_ will always
be a favorite, because of how powerfully it speaks to my belief in the
inherent worth of life (which, yes, I have resolved in my own heart with
regards to how I feel about capital punishment).
I am consistantly moved by a poem I wrote while welding farm
equipmentm which is included below (thank you, Cathy Brady, for including
something you wrote...:))
But right now, my favorite is Rondeau.
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
>
The English Patient.
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
>
The Star Wars Trilogy (letter-boxed), Raising Arizona, The Mission
(which also made me cry), Blade Runner, Aliens, Gandhi, It's a Wonderful
Life, The Seventh Seal, Babette's Feast, and Avalon.
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
>
My scriptures, Moby Dick, The collected works of W. Shakespeare,
The Lord of the Rings, a good dictionary, the collected Mark Twain,
Watership Down, a really good first aid/wilderness survival book, the
Little House series, and my journal.
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
>
Just Reagan and Lennon, though I am acutely embarassed to have
switched the Arch-Duke and the Kaiser, and am deeply grateful that there
are people alert enough in the world to realize the mistake (and
therefore, the connection).
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
>
Watching sunsets, playing computer games or playing around on the
internet, reading, DRIVING to beautiful vistas (I could never understand
why someone would want to hike, when they could just drive; I'm as big a
fan of the outdoors as anyone, I just think I enjoy the outdoors more if I
am not winded and sore.), fencing, building with LEGOs, going
anyplace/doing anything with my wife and/or kids.
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
>
heh-heh, I have four children. The only reason I have time to do
this right now is that I had to wake up to calm down my three-year old son
(who has a nasty cough and whose throat hurt so bad he worked himself
nearly into a panic attack) and am now waiting for the dryer to finish
running so I can cycle the laundry.
Although my wife and I spent an hour fencing this morning, while
my parents watched our kids.
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
>
Prior to dinner, we would lightly snack on good Camembert cheese
and crackers, perhaps with fresh grapes. Our appetites primed, we would
begin dinner proper.
It would begin with my wife's Spinach Salad (with lots of bacon
and vinegar) and her crab-filled Won-tons, with Cran-Rasberry juice to
drink. Then, we would have an enourmous fat-gram feast of shrimp
(lovingly basted in a good teri-yaki sauce and honey-butter) and steak,
grilled by me outside; the shrimp, of course, would be peeled. This would
be accompanied by French Onion Soup.
To finish, we would enjoy any of the myriad desserts my wife is
exceptionally good at creating. Cheesecake on shortbread crust, pumpkin
pie, or pastries. Mmmmmmm.
It should be noted, that the fore-going meal has never actually
been eaten, because it is impossible to consume that much food in one day
(I am thinking in terms of the scale at which my wife and I cook; any one
item in the described meal could be consumed to satisfaction of all
partakers, with left-overs for tomorrow's lunch).
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
>
My wife's Great-great-Grandmother Fox, and my paternal great-great
grandmother, who died when I was only 6 or so. I would make them biscuits
and gravy, because I would want to show off how good my gravy is.
Actually, my wife would probably make the biscuits, because otherwise,
they'd end up being Pillsbury from a can. But really, my gravy rocks.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
>
Lots of stuff by my wife; wall-hanging quilts (she does landscapes
and traditional patterns, with an amazing eye for color), some paintings
from when she was still in school, a huge dried flower arrangement of
several dozen roses I'd given her over the years, and two trompe l'oeil
(my wife's asleep and I can't ask her how to spell that, sorry) walls; a
Mediterranean seascape in the bathroom and an underwater vista with sharks
in the boys' bedroom. A number of religious prints (Jesus with kids, Mary
holding the new-born Christ, etc). Some surprisingly good stuff by my
four-year old son (he is intense when he paints; I have to physically
shake him to get his attention) and my six-year old daughter (she did a
pretty good Mandrian-like abstract). A series of black and white etchings
my wife's brother did, which are haunting in their allegory.
Given the money, I would love to have Van Goghs (Starry Night and
Sunflowers), anything by Matisse, some Georgia O'Keefe paintings (whose
sexual inuendo is WAY overblown, IMO), and a lot more stuff by my wife,
who would have the time andresources to create them.
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
>
I'm a very good teacher. I'm a pretty good writer. I hope to be
a most excellent father and husband; I am really good at the mechanics and
logistics of family life (and am constantly getting dumb-founded looks
from people as I juggle four kids in and out of Wal-Mart by myself,
successfully and even happily keeping all four kids well behaved. If I
hear "Boy, sure got your hands full, huh?" one more time...), but am still
working on being nice and unstressed/unhurried all the time.
I can be very perceptive, but often find that I pretend to not
know what someone means, because I am very reluctant, almost embarassed,
by conflict.
One skill I have worked on is being able to successfully converse
with absolutely anyone. I belive strongly it is a function of cultural
literacy to be able to find common ground with strangers, and make a good
social connection (I suppose it is also a function of being without
prejudice). I can identify with, and be on friendly terms, with nearly
every person I have ever met or will ever meet. And of course, nearly
always recommend that they check out Homicide the next time it's on, if
they aren't already watching it.
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
>
Book:_How to Play the Harmonica Instantly_
Computer Program: V-Quilt 2.0
Music CD: 4PM (For Positive Music), _Now's the Time_. It's an
R&B/doo-whop CD, and one of the singers attends church in my
congregation.
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
>
I would throw whole bunch of money at Judith Martin (she writes
the Miss Manners colum) and appoint her to head a foundation that would
determine how to encourage and foster civility in our culture. Another
facet of cultural literacy I feel strongly about is the ability to
disagree with someone (or experience whatever form of relationship
friction you can imagine, from heavy traffic to talking too loud at the
movies) WITHOUT becoming uncivil.
I would feed everyone. For people to starve in our world today is
a moral crime that has nothing to do with over-population. And I would
find a way to do it that would be ecologically sound.
I would set up an organization that would pay young women $100 a
month, starting from their eleventh birthday, for every month they
remained virgins (effectively, anyway; abstaining from consensual sex),
until they were 20. If a young woman in the program decided to earmark the
funds particulary towards post-secondary education, I would put double the
amount each month is an interest bearing trust account. I don't know if
this would have any effect on teen pregnancy or the rate STDs are
spreading amongst teens, but can't think of a way to more directly address
the problem.
I would subsidise the salaries of teachers who were doing a good
job, and the salaries of administrators who were firing teachers who are
not doing a good job.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
>
I'm from Maryland. I am geographically disposed to watch stuff
made here, though until half-way through season three, I worked the swing
shift on Fridays and had no VCR, so that's really when I started watching
in earnest.
______
John S. Landbeck jla...@gl.umbc.edu 1.410.296.0313
" You gotta nip it in the bud, Andy. You gotta nip this thing
right in the bud. --Barney Fife"
Beverly Martin
landbeck john wrote:
> I am not pro-death penalty, though only for financial reasons;
> it's less expensive to imprison someone for life than to kill them.
> Morally, I have no problem conceding that it is socially imperitave to
> remove people from the planet if they prove themselves capable of behaving
> in certain fashions.
>
John, I gotta disagree with you there, the money our country is
spending now to incarerate prisoners now is staggering and getting
larger. Per diem costs for prisoners in the state of Texas is in excess
of $180.00/ea. prisoner. This is because we must feed, clothe, house,
medicate, and guard them... they get three squares, free medical care
while the victim generally gets nothing.
My personal opinion is that if someone is sentenced to death they get a
month maximum to appeal, turn it around quick and be done with it. A
lethal injection/gas chamber is much less expensive (or we can get
bullets and such) than allowing these lampreys to suck society dry at
our expense.
On the other hand, your social reforms have some merit -- since it
seems no one wants to do something for themself, but must be
paid/reimbursed to do the right thing.
Beverly Martin
Todd
dave...@bigfoot.com, aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>In case no one has noticed, the sky is falling on our justice system.
>Pass it around.
>
>-
>~~~~~~Dave~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~dave...@bigfoot.com~~~~~~
I'm rather inclined to follow Franz Kafka's example of criminal justice and
inscribe the crime on the perp's chest. Then they will have a revelation of
the hideousness of their crime before they snuff it.
Either that, or simply lock them up and let them do nothing--no exercise, no
books, no license plates, just sitting and thinking about the lives they've
ruined. Now that's hard time! That would be more of a deterrent than
anything. And definitely no conjugal visits!! I don't like paying for
convicts to get their rocks off.
Todd
Dave Locke
Beverly Martin <beej_...@earthlink.net> had the utter temerity to
write:
>landbeck john wrote:
>> I am not pro-death penalty, though only for financial reasons;
>> it's less expensive to imprison someone for life than to kill them.
>> Morally, I have no problem conceding that it is socially imperitave to
>> remove people from the planet if they prove themselves capable of behaving
>> in certain fashions.
>>
> John, I gotta disagree with you there, the money our country is
>spending now to incarerate prisoners now is staggering and getting
>larger. Per diem costs for prisoners in the state of Texas is in excess
>of $180.00/ea. prisoner. This is because we must feed, clothe, house,
>medicate, and guard them... they get three squares, free medical care
>while the victim generally gets nothing.
> My personal opinion is that if someone is sentenced to death they get a
>month maximum to appeal, turn it around quick and be done with it. A
>lethal injection/gas chamber is much less expensive (or we can get
>bullets and such) than allowing these lampreys to suck society dry at
>our expense.
> On the other hand, your social reforms have some merit -- since it
>seems no one wants to do something for themself, but must be
>paid/reimbursed to do the right thing.
I've long heard that it costs more to execute a criminal than to jail
one, but I never really believed it until I found out that the cost of
executing them factors in the ten bazillion appeals they're allowed to
make. Make the appeals process something more reasonable and that
factor disappears quickly.
I think it's ludicrous to have a system which allows such extremes as,
say, jailing Charles Manson and going through the nonsense of parole
hearings with him ("Yeah, Charlie could have gotten a raw deal...").
I wouldn't want the pendulum to swing in the other direction, but we
are missing a sensible middle ground on this whole issue.
Not to mention having to parole murderers, rapists, and child
molesters because of the stupid "3 strikes and out" rule which
requires a jail to free up a cell for a fellow who stole a loaf of
bread after two similarly serious offenses, or free up a cell for the
"mandatory" sentencing of the kid who got caught with a joint in his
pocket.
Another stupidity, in a mobil society, is to allow every state to have
its own driving laws, and every little podunk to put its own laws on
the books. I'm particularly fond of the town where it's illegal to
stare fixedly at a posthole between the hours of 8:00-11:00 pm, and
the town where it's illegal to fling hamsters at clergymen.
It's stuff like all this which leave the police with having to make
decisions about which laws are worth enforcing, and juries to acquit
because the penalty for the crime is criminal in itself, and judges to
go against common sense because technicalities will cover their ass,
and politicians to whore themselves by selling stupid ideas which
sound good only on the surface, and hardcases to stalk the earth
because we need the cell space for people who've committed petty shit.
Er, sorry. That turned into a rant...
In case no one has noticed, the sky is falling on our justice system.
Pass it around.
-
~~~~~~Dave~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~dave...@bigfoot.com~~~~~~
"Everyone knows that it all rests on what name you
succeed in imposing on the facts." -- Jerome Cohen
Dave Locke
j-h...@ehsn24.cen.uiuc.edu (James Lloyd Hill) had the utter temerity
to write:
>>1)What do you do for a living?
>Sell lacquered animal droppings to gringos.
Yup, Jim is back...
-
Slow Djinn - Dave Locke's Back Road Off The Information Highway
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/slowdjin/
~~~~~~Dave~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~dave...@bigfoot.com~~~~~~
James Lloyd Hill
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.961222...@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Sell lacquered animal droppings to gringos.
> What do you hope to be doing for a living in five years?
Pimping luscious little boy-children to Japanese businessmen in South
Dakota.
>2)Where do you live?
In a charming little hobbit-hole in Bag-End.
>Where would you like to live, and why?
South Dakota; it fits in with my career goals.
>3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
Eugene V. Debs.
>4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>last question.
"For almost a century and a half, the Confederate States of America have
been ground under the hobnailed boot of Yankee oppression."
>5)Describe your home life.
My home has no life.
>6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself a member?
I do not consider myself a member, though many people have called me a
dick.
>Do you believe in God?
No, and He does not believe in me.
>What do you think God thinks of H:LotS?
That the show would be vastly improved with the addition of explosions, car
chases, and scantily-clad women with large breasts. Wait, that's what _I_
think of H:LotS.
>7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made you laugh out loud?
_Schindler's List_
>WWTLBYR that changed your behavior or beleifs?
_Behaviour Modification through Electroshock Therapy_
>What authors have never disappointed you?
Author Miller and King Author.
>8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
"Thanatopsis"
>9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved you to tears?
"How the West Was Fun"
>10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
_Waterworld_
_Harold and Maude_
_Micki and Maude_
_Melvin and Howard_
_Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice_
_Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo_
_The Ten Commandments_
_The Magnificent Seven Inches_
_Birth of a Nation_
_King Kong (1976)_
>11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
_Sounder_
_The Swiss Family Robinson_
_Robinson Crusoe_
_Shipwrecked!_
_Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus_
_Alcoholics Anonymous_
_Fear of Flying_
_Equus_
_My Friend Flicka_
_Grease: the Fotonovel_
>12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
No, but I remember her exorcism like it was yesterday.
>DYRTSO John Lennon?
>DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
>Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
Anybody here seen my old friend Mannlicher; can you tell me
where he's gaww-uh-awwwn?
>13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Taking surveys and intentionally skewing the results.
>14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours of leisure time.
Taken a survey and intentionally skewed the result.
>Why are these answers different?
Because you are stoned.
>15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
A tall mug of beer with a soggy pretzel floating in it, preferably
someone else's. And a toot of Red Rooster Snuff.
>16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
Julia Child, and I'd make that lippy broad (tm: Geoff Miller) do the
cookin' the way God intended.
>17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
Miss December, but only for a couple more days.
>Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
Summa them fat broads from that Dutchman. Pleasingly plump over
plastic bags anyday.
>18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
The way I can sweet-talk the bitches.
>19)What was the last book your purchased?
Abbie Hoffman's _Steal this Book._ Ironic, no?
>The last movie?
_The Outlaw Josie Wales._ I thought Princess Di got nekkid.
>The last computer program?
_The Essential COBOL_
>The last music CD (or whatever medium you choose to consume)?
_Great Chants of the Capuchin Monks_ It's good, but you have to turn
it wayyyyyy up to hear anything.
>20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>how would you do it?
Like Emperor Caligula. He'd go up to the top of the Temple of Saturn,
which doubled as the Roman Treasury, which doubled as his personal bank
account, and throw coins down to the thronging masses of poor folks below.
Just for kicks, he kept a few coins heating over a charcoal brazier and
he'd use tongs to throw them down into the crowd. Kept the little beggars
on their toes, by God!
>21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I have a drinking problem.
Jim
--
j-h...@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu http://www.swcp.com/~jimhill/
"How could anybody be too old for '101 Dalmatians'? It's universal; it's
like Homer: a great journey of the heart disguised as an adventure story."
"With dogs."
Ellen Callahan
landbeck john wrote:
> Although my wife and I spent an hour fencing this morning...
A fellow fencer! How nice. However, you lost me on this one:
> I would set up an organization that would pay young women $100 a
> month, starting from their eleventh birthday, for every month they
> remained virgins. I don't know if this would have any effect
> on teen pregnancy or the rate STDs are spreading amongst teens, but
> can't think of a way to more directly address the problem.
I'm sorry, I just can't let this go. Why is it that the promiscuity of
_girls_ is to blame for STDs and teen pregnancy? Why is the
concentration always on _their_ behavior? How about giving money
to girls _and_ boys? There is always an emphasis on getting girls to
control their behavior, but boys are left alone because they're expected
(and therefore, permitted) to behave in certain ways. It would be so
refreshing if, just _once_, we put the pressure on boys to exercise a
little self-control.
John, I know you to be nice person, and I don't do this to brand you as
a sexist or anything, your point just struck me as interesting, and I
wanted to comment.
zep...@grove.ufl.edu
On 25 Dec 1996 seepdpony and bobtard arranged this:
Where were you when....
> Challenger:
Ah, this is more my time. I was at Titusville High School, and the
shuttle launches right across the way - we can see it clearly. My big
brother works on the midbody at the Cape....and all us kids at school
thought it would be ok, since we DID see 2 parachutes coming down, and
were sure that they hefted the "important stuff" (um, people). As it
turns out, it seems that schools all over the nation actually provided
counseling and talks for the students; some girl from Kentucky told me -
but at THS, the closest school to the explosion...nothing.
> USA over USSR :
> Nixon:
> Munich Olympics-
> Elvis-
Don't recall any of this... except a really big hockey game....and
it could have been The One....hmmm.
> Kurt cobain:
I might have been at school, and truly did not give a rat's ass
that he was dead. On the other hand, my roommate laughed hysterically
at the aired funeral on mtv, and after I hollered at him for being a
tasteless person, I realized that it was absolutely the *funniest*
thing I had heard in a long time. Courtney? was reading his suicide
note (which was sad) and constantly interjected her own comments with
massive amounts of profanity, cursing him and his misbegotten beliefs
and selfishness. The juxtaposition was incredibly bizarre; the care
for the man, alongside the anger at him, but her words were rather
funny. I can only hope that people will make wild interjectory comments
at my funeral.
> OKC-
Had to call my mother to find out what happened; had exams and was not
paying attention to real life.
> OJ's chase. aquittal--
The Juice! Is this the hallmark of my generation, or what! *sarcasm*
The chase was great - my mother and I sat enraptured in front of the
tube and watched that guilty-as-hell bastard barrel along at 25 mph.
Turns out that Domino's pizza had more sales/deliveries on THAT day
than any other day of the year! We didn't order, sadly. I only
watched one single day of the trial, and apparently my mother burst
into tears at the news of the acquittal.
zephyr....who did get really upset when Darden burst into tears.
Bruce Tennant
- Beverly Martin wrote:
>
> landbeck john wrote:
>
> > I am not pro-death penalty, though only for financial reasons;
> > it's less expensive to imprison someone for life than to kill them.
> > Morally, I have no problem conceding that it is socially imperitave to
> > remove people from the planet if they prove themselves capable of behaving
> > in certain fashions.
> >
>
-
> John, I gotta disagree
with you there, the money our country is
> spending now to incarerate prisoners now is staggering and getting
> larger. Per diem costs for prisoners in the state of Texas is in excess
> of $180.00/ea. prisoner. This is because we must feed, clothe, house,
> medicate, and guard them... they get three squares, free medical care
> while the victim generally gets nothing.
> My personal opinion is that if someone is sentenced to death they get a
> month maximum to appeal, turn it around quick and be done with it. A
> lethal injection/gas chamber is much less expensive (or we can get
> bullets and such) than allowing these lampreys to suck society dry at
> our expense.
> On the other hand, your social reforms have some merit -- since it
> seems no one wants to do something for themself, but must be
> paid/reimbursed to do the right thing.
>
-
> Beverly Martin
- Capital punishment should be outlawed. Its usefulness is marginal at best. It does
- not deter crime. It victimizes innocent people (what is their compensation?).
- Why is it that so many people whom mistrust the government are so willing to
- give it the ultimate power: to declare a person "unfit for life?"
- If the USA would adopt comprehensive gun control gun violence would decline
- dramatically. In countries with comprehensive gun control the murder rates are
- far lower than in the USA, and support for capital punishment is far lower
- (a minority of support).
- American culture romanticizes revenge and capital punishment is more about
- revenge than about justice. Revenge is not justice. Revenge is the perpetuator
- of the cycle of violence.
- Rantingly,
- Bruce
- Support Amnesty International
- Read The Nation
- Check out ZNet
zep...@grove.ufl.edu
On Sun, 22 Dec 1996, landbeck john came up with a great idea...
> 1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
> for a living in five years?
Right now, I work full time in a huge photo lab, and not long ago
I was a full time university student. I didn't expect to live this
long, so thinking of work 5 years in advance is a bit of a mental
stretch. I'll be in school. I love school.
> 2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
I live in Gainesville, Florida.
I thought I wanted to live in Washington, D.C., but people tell me that
it is very different to visit for 3 days as opposed to living there all
the time. I had a nice visit there a few years back.
I need to live near trees, and other green stuff. People also have
told me that I would be very unhappy in the midwest, as the seasonal
temperatures are extreme. I think 50-90 degrees F is extreme.
> 3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
I was truly to sick to vote.
I would have happily voted for Bill and Al.
> 4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
> would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
> last question.
Unusual? Hm. I'm a bleeding-heart liberal most of the time, but
I would have no qualms advocating *real* lifetime incarceration for
violent offenders and child abusers - no rehab recommendations from
me on that point. I'm a Criminal Justice major and I love the law.
It's a wonderful degree, you know? Crime is rampant, and there's
little hope for stopping it. Now that's what I call a challenge.
> 5)Describe your home life.
I finally have running water, heat and air, and a stove and oven.
Family is far (3 hours) away. I have a cluttered place, but it is
not filthy by any means. I tend to pile things up in stacks.
> 6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
> a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
> thinks of H:LotS?
I scoff at religion. There is no god.
And, for the record, that was the first time I used "scoff" in a
sentence.
> 7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
> you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
> or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
BOOK: A Dilbert book, the part about Phil, the Supreme Ruler of Heck.
Change? - Nothing; I'm not that easily swayed.
AUTHORS? - Never? Harlan Ellison, Ray Bradbury, Neil Gaiman.
> 8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
Ode To A Guinea Pig
Oh, little ball of fluff,
That cannot seem to eat enough.
> 9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
> you to tears?
I cried over "Blood Wedding," but I also lost it during some
operation on an Educational Channel, and then cried over the
late news...I am sure I was having a really bad day. Movie?
Well, I did burst into tears at the end of "Dragonheart," but
only because I was trapped by the stupidest dialogue and the
worst acting that I have seen since the "Dukes of Hazzard."
I couldn't leave the theater - I wanted to know what happened,
but it was so painful to sit through that ending....sigh.
> 10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
Blade Runner Braveheart
Brazil Last of the Mohicans (no, I don't know why)
The Rock (such fun!) The Tick (my animated collection on tape)
Aliens The Abyss
The Learning Channel's Video Guide to Living Well and Enjoying
Oneself on a Desert Island
The Steven Seagal Video Guide to Keeping a Desert Island Free From
Attackers, Visitors, and the Coast Guard.
> 11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
Col. Works of Poe Col. Works of Shakespeare
The Stand - King Col. Sandman - Gaiman
an empty journal Ghoul - Slade (well, it was good)
recent stuff I haven't read by:
King, Koontz, Clancy and Kellerman.
> 12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
> DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
> Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
> Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
I remember Reagan...and I did respond to another post that was a bit
more timely to my generation, i.e., Challenger, OJ.
> 13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
Playing on the computer. Visiting friends. Kayaking.
Travelling. Photography. Reading. Art. Shopping.
Driving.
> 14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
> of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
It's not much different, although I have little time and money for
the travelling, photography, and kayaking.
> 15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
Ahhhhh, um. Pizza (pepparoni, sausage, mushroom, black olives),
with Coke/Mountain Dew/chocolate milk, and the New! Mint! Drumstick!
No one in my family cooks, so I am easy to please. After my trip to
Hawaii, I'd daresay I'd like octopus, but not to eat. That's one
food that is fun to play with at the table... ;)
> 16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
> today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
I'm stumped.
See above authors, and see above movie directors. Any of them
would make great conversationists, and we'd have to order out.
> 17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
> Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
A Uellsman poster. James O'Barr art. A little of my art.
With a budget, I'd like originals of O'Barr, Richard Kane-Ferguson,
Michael Whelan, H.R.Giger, some movie posters (notably, the one-
sheet for Black Rain), and for older stuff, I'd love some Dalis,
Rembrandts, Wyeth....original Michelangelo sketches, and also
illuminated manuscript (another poster's idea).
> 18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
Art and and eye for design. Writing ability (although it is
hard to tell, sometimes). Perseverance. Attention to detail.
Ability to converse with just about anyone. Photographic memory.
Understanding.
> 19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
> The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
> medium you choose to consume)?
BOOK: The Diary of a Church Mouse by Graham Oakley (great
illustrations, wouldn't mind having originals of his, too)
MOVIE: Braveheart, letterbox.
MUSIC: Antichrist Superstar, Marilyn Manson (well, they had a
really eye-catching video, and....)
> 20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
> but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
> how would you do it?
No "buts" about it. I'd definitely spread the wealth. I'd try to
help kids in trouble, form scholarships for needy-but-trying-hard
college students, fund crisis centers, and create and administrate
(at least at first) a mental health hospital/center that truly
helped people and treated them kindly.
> 21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
I anxiously waited through the SuperBowl so I wouldn't miss a minute
of it, and sat in stunned silence for 2 hours straight. I was shocked
for DAYS after "3 Men and Adena" and consider that episode to be a
crowning achievement in television history. Glad to have seen it.
zephyr....who likes this thread alot.
Rick Bestany
Ellen Callahan <ecal...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>landbeck john wrote:
>> Although my wife and I spent an hour fencing this morning...
>A fellow fencer! How nice. However, you lost me on this one:
>> I would set up an organization that would pay young women $100 a
>> month, starting from their eleventh birthday, for every month they
>> remained virgins. I don't know if this would have any effect
>> on teen pregnancy or the rate STDs are spreading amongst teens, but
>> can't think of a way to more directly address the problem.
>I'm sorry, I just can't let this go. Why is it that the promiscuity of
>_girls_ is to blame for STDs and teen pregnancy? Why is the
>concentration always on _their_ behavior? How about giving money
>to girls _and_ boys? There is always an emphasis on getting girls to
>control their behavior, but boys are left alone because they're expected
>(and therefore, permitted) to behave in certain ways. It would be so
>refreshing if, just _once_, we put the pressure on boys to exercise a
>little self-control.
>John, I know you to be nice person, and I don't do this to brand you as
>a sexist or anything, your point just struck me as interesting, and I
>wanted to comment.
I agree with Ellen here. I think that males and females, at any age ,
should accept responsibility for their behavior, sexual or otherwise.
It has been my observation that the males are the ones who usually
lack the responsibility and cannot control their behavior. More often
than not, in the case of teen pregnancy, the women are left to care
for the child while the men disavow any liability. But the bottom line
is that children learn from their parents, and the parents need to set
an example.
Rick Bestany
Fells Point MD
Rick Bestany
Bruce Tennant <bruc...@erols.com> wrote:
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How does capital punishment victimize innocent people? (Other than
robbing them of their tax dollars to let these convict exercise their
almost unlimited appeals?
>Why is it that so many people whom mistrust the government are so
>willing to
>give it the ultimate power: to declare a person "unfit for life?"
Because, in the strictly defined sense, the people are the government.
>If the USA would adopt comprehensive gun control gun violence would
>decline
>dramatically. In countries with comprehensive gun control the murder
>rates are
>far lower than in the USA, and support for capital punishment is far
>lower
>(a minority of support).
Agreed, as far as gun control goes.
>American culture romanticizes revenge and capital punishment is more
>about
>revenge than about justice. Revenge is not justice. Revenge is the
>perpetuator
>of the cycle of violence.
Capital punishment has nothing to do with revenge.
>Rantingly,
>Bruce
>Support Amnesty International
>Read The Nation
>Check out ZNet
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><DT>Beverly Martin wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
>> landbeck john wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
>> > I am not pro-death
>penalty, though only for financial reasons;<BR>
>> > it's less expensive to imprison someone for life than to kill
>them.<BR>
>> > Morally, I have no problem conceding that it is socially imperitave
>to<BR>
>> > remove people from the planet if they prove themselves capable
>of behaving<BR>
>> > in certain fashions.<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> <BR>
>> John, I gotta disagree
>with you there, the money our country is<BR>
>> spending now to incarerate prisoners now is staggering and getting<BR>
>> larger. Per diem costs for prisoners in the state of Texas is
>in excess<BR>
>> of $180.00/ea. prisoner. This is because we must feed, clothe,
>house,<BR>
>> medicate, and guard them... they get three squares, free medical care<BR>
>> while the victim generally gets nothing.<BR>
>> My personal opinion
>is that if someone is sentenced to death they get a<BR>
>> month maximum to appeal, turn it around quick and be done with it.
>A<BR>
>> lethal injection/gas chamber is much less expensive (or we can get<BR>
>> bullets and such) than allowing these lampreys to suck society dry
>at<BR>
>> our expense.<BR>
>> On the other hand,
>your social reforms have some merit -- since it<BR>
>> seems no one wants to do something for themself, but must be<BR>
>> paid/reimbursed to do the right thing.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Beverly Martin<BR>
><BR></DT>
><DT>Capital punishment should be outlawed. Its usefulness is marginal
>at best. It <I>does</I></DT>
><DT><I>not</I> deter crime. It victimizes innocent people (what is
>their compensation?).</DT>
><DT> </DT>
><DT>Why is it that so many people whom mistrust the government are so willing
>to</DT>
><DT>give it the ultimate power: <B>to declare a person "unfit
>for life?"</B></DT>
><DT> </DT>
><DT>If the USA would adopt comprehensive gun control gun violence would
>decline</DT>
><DT>dramatically. In countries with comprehensive gun control the
>murder rates are</DT>
><DT>far lower than in the USA, <I>and support for capital punishment is
>far lower </I></DT>
><DT>(a minority of support).</DT>
><DT> </DT>
><DT>American culture romanticizes revenge and capital punishment is more
>about</DT>
><DT>revenge than about justice. Revenge is not justice. Revenge
>is the perpetuator</DT>
><DT>of the cycle of violence.</DT>
><DT> </DT>
><DT>Rantingly,</DT>
><DT> </DT>
><DT>Bruce</DT>
><DT> </DT>
><DT>Support <A HREF="http://www.amnesty.org/">Amnesty International</A> </DT>
><DT>Read <A HREF="http://www.thenation.com">The Nation</A> </DT>
><DT>Check out <A HREF="http://www.lbbs.org/">ZNet</A> </DT>
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landbeck john
Well, I started it with my theoretical charity, described thusly;
> >> I would set up an organization that would pay young women $100 a
> >> month, starting from their eleventh birthday, for every month they
> >> remained virgins. I don't know if this would have any effect
> >> on teen pregnancy or the rate STDs are spreading amongst teens, but
> >> can't think of a way to more directly address the problem.
>
Which prompted Ellen Callahan <ecal...@earthlink.net> to write the
following, which I _still_ have not gotten on my server, else I would have
responded to it in the first place...
> >I'm sorry, I just can't let this go. Why is it that the promiscuity of
> >_girls_ is to blame for STDs and teen pregnancy? Why is the
> >concentration always on _their_ behavior? How about giving money
> >to girls _and_ boys? There is always an emphasis on getting girls to
> >control their behavior, but boys are left alone because they're expected
> >(and therefore, permitted) to behave in certain ways. It would be so
> >refreshing if, just _once_, we put the pressure on boys to exercise a
> >little self-control.
>
Then, on Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Rick Bestany wrote:
> I agree with Ellen here. I think that males and females, at any age ,
> should accept responsibility for their behavior, sexual or otherwise.
> It has been my observation that the males are the ones who usually
> lack the responsibility and cannot control their behavior. More often
>
Now then, you are both absolutely correct, both in moral and
theoretical terms, but the fulcrum of my proposal is in the final line
of the description of it. It directly addresses the problem of teens
getting pregnant (which, due to biology, is entirely a burden carried by
women, though it of course is a responsibility borne by both sexes) by
giving teen girls a practical, REAL reason to not have sex in the first
place. At all. Period.
This would be to counter the subtle and horribly confusing reasons
most teens have sex in the first place, which are too myriad (and for the
most part, unrealistic and stupid) to be confronted one at a time. I
agree with you both that young men should be more responsible for where,
when, and how they ejaculate, but am at a loss to think of a comprehensive
method to encourage them to be so. In no way or form am I suggesting that
this "solution" indicates a burden of responsibility; it simply provides a
financial incentive for a given course of behavior.
I should note here that this idea is not originally mine, but was
related to me second-hand by my wife from an article or editorial she read
in _The Sun_.
______
John S. Landbeck jla...@gl.umbc.edu 1.410.296.0313
" I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility to any form
of tyranny over the mind of man. --Thomas Jefferson"
Bruce Tennant
- Rick Bestany wrote:
>
> Bruce Tennant <bruc...@erols.com> wrote:
> >Capital punishment should be outlawed. Its usefulness is marginal at
> >best. It does not deter crime. It victimizes innocent people (what is their
> >compensation?).
> How does capital punishment victimize innocent people? (Other than
> robbing them of their tax dollars to let these convict exercise their
> almost unlimited appeals?
- When an innocent person is wrongly convicted and subsequently executed
- that person is victimized. This is why the appeal process was so long
- before the right decided that capital punishment was so dandy that even if
- a few more innocents are murdered by the government because of ineffectual
- or denied appeals it would be better to kill them ASAP (oh, and let's slash
- the funds for legal counsel for the destitute on death row while we're at it).
> >Why is it that so many people whom mistrust the government are so
> >willing to
> >give it the ultimate power: to declare a person "unfit for life?"
> Because, in the strictly defined sense, the people are the government.
- You obviously missed the point. People that mistrust the government do
- not feel that they are a part of it. To them the government is the bad guy
- that takes part of their paycheck and uses it to buy food for people they
- despise (and less of that now, too).
> >If the USA would adopt comprehensive gun control gun violence would
> >decline
> >dramatically. In countries with comprehensive gun control the murder
> >rates are
> >far lower than in the USA, and support for capital punishment is far
> >lower
> >(a minority of support).
> Agreed, as far as gun control goes.
> >American culture romanticizes revenge and capital punishment is more
> >about
> >revenge than about justice. Revenge is not justice. Revenge is the
> >perpetuator
> >of the cycle of violence.
> Capital punishment has nothing to do with revenge.
- Bull. "Blood Wedding" showed a perfect example: Danvers was against
- capital punishment before his fiance was murdered. While the ep was not
- clear as to whether Danvers completely changed his mind or wanted only
- his fiance's killer executed he nonetheless was seeking revenge.
Bruce
Eva Whitley
Rick Bestany wrote:
>
> Ellen Callahan <ecal...@earthlink.net> wrote:<snip>
However, you lost me on this one:
>
> >> month, starting from their eleventh birthday, for every month they
> >> on teen pregnancy or the rate STDs are spreading amongst teens, but
> >> can't think of a way to more directly address the problem.
>
>
> >John, I know you to be nice person, and I don't do this to brand you as
> >a sexist or anything, your point just struck me as interesting, and I
> >wanted to comment.
> I agree with Ellen here. I think that males and females, at any age ,
> should accept responsibility for their behavior, sexual or otherwise.
> It has been my observation that the males are the ones who usually
> lack the responsibility and cannot control their behavior. More often
> than not, in the case of teen pregnancy, the women are left to care
> for the child while the men disavow any liability. But the bottom line
> is that children learn from their parents, and the parents need to set
> an example.
Am I the only one here who had a sex life as a teen, who will admit that
she really, really LIKED sex? That it was lots of fun? That she would
have cheerfully accepted $100 a month, and used it to buy better birth
control?
Granted, if I had daughters I might feel differently, but I didn't. For
the record: I like sex. I liked it from when I started (at age 17)--I
still like it (at age 41). It's fun. If you were raised Catholic, you
might have been told it is bad and dirty, and thus it is *more* fun
(thanks to John Waters for that line).
I hope this doesn't open me up to a lot of suggestive e-mail, since I've
been married 18 years to the same guy, and I am not looking for someone
new. It just seems that abstinence has been taught, and advocated for
quite a while, and *it doesn't work*. There are teens, there are
hormones, and for some of us, those hormones are going to work.
The greybeards in this group can probably confirm that even in the 50's,
when teens alledgedly didn't have sex, quite a number did.
How about using that $100 to have better parenting so parents don't have
daughters so lacking in self-esteem they willfully ignore the realities
of being a teen parent?--Eva Whitley
Bruce T
Dave Locke wrote:
> If it were up to you, would you have Charlie Manson executed to put
> him out of our misery, or would you leave him in jail and force people
> to guard him and feed him and give him medical attention and cater to
> his legal initiatives and attend his parole hearings? If it were up
> to you.
Since I am against capital punishment in all cases Charlie lives until
he either dies, kills himself, or is murdered.
Manson is also profoundly mentally ill (all together now: "DUH!!!").
Many of the victims of capital punishment are also mentally ill or
retarded and should not be held to the same level of responsibility
as that of competent persons. This is not to say that we should
excuse them because they don't know better. If a person's illness
or behavior is dangerous to other people then that person should
be kept out of public. Many mental illnesses are treatable or
curable (obviously not Manson).
Bruce
Ellen Callahan
landbeck john wrote:
> I agree with you both that young men should be more responsible...
> but am at a loss to think of a comprehensive method to encourage them
> to be so.
Well, I think that's an example of the problem I was referring to. All
of the time and effort goes into solving a problem via the female. What
is _she_ doing wrong that's causing the problem (in this case STDs
and teen pregnancy)?
The idea you expressed about paying girls to remain virgins may curb the
rate of teen pregnancy and STDs. I'm not arguing about whether or not it
would be effective. In fact, I think it probably would be. My concern is
that we're always coming up with solutions that address only one side of
the problem, and that side is invariably the female side.
John, since you didn't see my original post, I just wanted to let you
know that this is only a case of your post sparking an idea in me. I'm
not some psychotic feminist out to take you down ;-)
Ellen Callahan
call...@mills.edu
ecal...@earthlink.net
Leila
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Eva Whitley wrote:
(snipped for space)
> Am I the only one here who had a sex life as a teen, who will admit that
> she really, really LIKED sex? That it was lots of fun? That she would
> have cheerfully accepted $100 a month, and used it to buy better birth
> control?
<raises hand> yes, yes, yes.
> Granted, if I had daughters I might feel differently, but I didn't.
I don't have any daughters yet. But I have a son. And I would
feel much better about him being sexually active (many many many years
from now) if I had the feeling that the girls weren't ignorant on the
topic either. IMO, every child could be my child, and I know that if a
girl is only being taught abstinence, or nothing at all, it will soon
become quite the mess. I mean, I was taught about condoms and safe sex
and everything, and I still did enough dumb stuff.
> It just seems that abstinence has been taught, and advocated for
> quite a while, and *it doesn't work*. There are teens, there are
> hormones, and for some of us, those hormones are going to work.
And there is also the double standard that says that guys can (and
should) have sex, while girls should remain virgins. I swear, it's like
saying that not talking about drugs will keep kids from doing them - dumb.
> The greybeards in this group can probably confirm that even in the 50's,
> when teens alledgedly didn't have sex, quite a number did.
In fact, the numbers of girls having children "out of wedlock" has
actually gone down overall -- but no one ever talks about that.
> How about using that $100 to have better parenting so parents don't have
> daughters so lacking in self-esteem they willfully ignore the realities
> of being a teen parent?--Eva Whitley
It's all a circle. A 16 yo mom will have a daughter who becomes a
17 yo mom, or a son who becomes a 16 yo father. Parenting, despite what
folks may say, is not innate, but learned. And if you have nothing but
your own life to go by, you will teach your kids that. And sometimes,
that's not the best thing.
-- Leila
barc...@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu
Leila
On Capital Punishment:
If the death penalty truly did what it's original objectives were,
then there would be no murder in this country.
In case you haven't noticed, it didn't work.
Oh yeah, and what about the people who are executed but didn't
commit the crime? Or those people that committed the crime, but someone
committing a similar crime did not get death? Or those people who are
unfairly targeted because they are poor, or mentally disabled, or Black or
whatever? Hmmm?
-- Leila
barc...@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu
Cathlene Brady
Ellen Callahan (ecal...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: The idea you expressed about paying girls to remain virgins may curb the
: rate of teen pregnancy and STDs. I'm not arguing about whether or not it
: would be effective. In fact, I think it probably would be. My concern is
: that we're always coming up with solutions that address only one side of
: the problem, and that side is invariably the female side.
Judging from his demeanor at HomCon96 and his always thoughtful e-mail,
I'd say JohnL is one of the least likely to have a sexist point of view.
Personally, I'd hesitate to suggest that men should be paid to remain
virgins because there's no way to suggest proof.
CB
James Lloyd Hill
Concerning the issue of babies having babies, we arrive at
In article <32CAC3...@earthlink.net>
Ellen Callahan <ecal...@earthlink.net> writes:
>landbeck john wrote:
>
>> I agree with you both that young men should be more responsible...
>> but am at a loss to think of a comprehensive method to encourage them
>> to be so.
>
>Well, I think that's an example of the problem I was referring to. All
>of the time and effort goes into solving a problem via the female. What
>is _she_ doing wrong that's causing the problem (in this case STDs
>and teen pregnancy)?
Here's the thing: While it takes two to tango, it's the gal who ends up
paying the band after the dance. She's the one who ends up with a little
bundle of life-destroying joy, while poppa can skate if he so chooses.
After all, how ya gonna garnish the wages of a high-school sophomore who's
not legally old enough to have a job yet?
No, the only solution is to return to the morals of the Middle Ages. Put
the fear of God into in such a degree that their every waking moment will
be spent as terrified trembling lumps of humanity afraid even to move for
fear of pissing off God and ending up In Hell For All Eternity. Then,
when they get married, we can tell them it was all a joke.
"Sex is a dirty, disgusting act you save for the one you love."
"And when I say 'dip...da dip...da dip...da dip,' Darlin', you know I
mean it, right to the bottom of my boogety-boogety-boogety-shoo."
James Lloyd Hill
In article <32CB0F...@erols.com> bruc...@erols.com writes a lot, then
repeats it in HTML.
I told myself that I would start 1997 with a positive post and be nice for
a while, but I just fired off an epistle concerning teens and doinking, so
I figure that resolution got met.
Bruce: Kindly figure out what particular option of your newsreader
software is repeating your posts in HTML and disable it, as you are
sending great eye-straining messages out into the void.
Todd
j-h...@ehsn24.cen.uiuc.edu (James Lloyd Hill), aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>"Sex is a dirty, disgusting act . . ."
>
>Jim
Only when done properly. Welcome back, Jim.
Todd
"Soap is a slut. All lathered up like that."
RR
Dave Locke
Bruce Tennant <bruc...@erols.com> came right out and said:
>Rick Bestany wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Tennant <bruc...@erols.com> wrote:
>> >Capital punishment should be outlawed. Its usefulness is marginal at
>> >best. It does not deter crime.
It seems to deter those who get executed. "Hey, Ted Bundy, let's see
you go kill some more young women _now_."
>> >Why is it that so many people whom mistrust the government are so
>> >willing to give it the ultimate power: to declare a person "unfit for life?"
>> Because, in the strictly defined sense, the people are the government.
>You obviously missed the point. People that mistrust the government do
>not feel that they are a part of it.
He didn't miss the point. He's right that, in the strictly defined
sense, the people are the government.
>> >American culture romanticizes revenge and capital punishment is
>> >more about revenge than about justice. Revenge is not justice.
>> >Revenge is the perpetuator of the cycle of violence.
>> Capital punishment has nothing to do with revenge.
>Bull. "Blood Wedding" showed a perfect example: Danvers was against
>capital punishment before his fiance was murdered. While the ep was not
>clear as to whether Danvers completely changed his mind or wanted only
>his fiance's killer executed he nonetheless was seeking revenge.
That victims and their friends and relatives might want revenge isn't
contested. The government could care less. Capital punishment has
nothing to do with revenge. It has to do with ensuring that a serious
threat to society does not get back into it via jailbreak or such
criminal justice system screwups as 3-Strikes-And-Out and mandatory
sentencing laws.
If it were up to you, would you have Charlie Manson executed to put
him out of our misery, or would you leave him in jail and force people
to guard him and feed him and give him medical attention and cater to
his legal initiatives and attend his parole hearings? If it were up
to you.
Dave Locke
j-h...@ehsn24.cen.uiuc.edu (James Lloyd Hill) came right out and
said:
>What I was getting at in my remark above is this: if our society succeeds
>in establishing virginity as an absolute for the ladies and in establishing
>rampant rutting among the lads...with whom, precisely, are the lads to be
>rutting?
With great fondness I remember one acquaintance saying of another that
"he's a sheep fucker." A third asked him "do you really believe
that?" and he confidentially replied "no, but I'd like to hear him
deny it."
-
Slow Djinn - Dave Locke's Back Road Off The Information Highway
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/slowdjin
~~~~~~Dave~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~dave...@bigfoot.com~~~~~~
Philly the Kid
>| My effort to enlighten the demographically obscure follows. Now,
>|I am certainly not a renumerated expert in demographic surveys. I am,
>|however, the beneficiary of <> 10 college credit hours related to
>|extracting viable information from testing and such. Being of the firm
>|opinion that most surveys produce nothing more viable than bird-cage liner
>|(they are truely the ugly cousin of meaningful testing), I have purposely
>|crafted the questions in such a way that they have little if any
>|statistical meaning.
>|
>| The goal is to elicit a better picture of the personalities of the
>|respondants, without waiting months (years) as incidental hints to their
>|personal lives are dropped in esoteric posts. Well, that, and the
>|opportunity to glowingly describe ourselves in the most positive terms...
>|
>| Anway, on with the show.
>|
>|
>|1)What do you do for a living? What do you hope to be doing
>|for a living in five years?
Sound production and design - mostly for multi-media. PT teacher. Composer.
In five years, it would be fantastic if I could support myself soley off
my artistic endeavors.
>|
>|
>|
>|2)Where do you live? Where would you like to live, and why?
Currently living in cesspool MD, near D.C. A huge mistake to leave SF
after 9 years and come here. I thought it would serve certain interests -
and alas it did not.
I would like to live wherever I could be healthy, be productive, engaged
with my work, have sufficient resources, have a few friends and associates
and a love interest. Preferred back drops would be SF, NYC or Montreal.
However, under certain conditions a small town in France, Italy, Spain or
Greece would work well!
>|
>|
>|
>|3)Who did you vote for in the last Presidential election?
>|
>|
Ralph Nadar - with no hesitation. Not perfect. But then the system is
ludicrous. Commander in Chief my ass! He was the only candidate addressing
systemic change.
>|
>|4)Describe a(the) political belief(s) that you hold that
>|would be considered unusual, given your answer to the
>|last question.
>|
>|
I can't think of one off the top of my head. I root for guys to smash each
other when I watch football?
>|
>|5)Describe your home life.
>|
>|
I am home a great deal because I do my professional and creative work
there. Space is very important to me and I would say that my home life
does not conform to any norms.
>|
>|6)Of what (if any) religion(s) do you consider yourself
>|a member? Do you believe in God? What do you think God
>|thinks of H:LotS?
>|
>|
Not part of any organized religion - or pseudo-religio constructs which
are mostly social organizations that pay lip service to spirituality. I
believe spirituality is, though hard to quantify, real. Being raised an
atheist, I have trouble with the word "God". I don't think I have the
capacity to grasp what is going on in the Universe or what the Universe
"is". I am however - honest enough to admit that there might in fact be an
order that I can't comprehend.
>|
>|7)What was the last book you read (WWTLBYR) that made
>|you laugh out loud? WWTLBYR that changed your behavior
>|or beleifs? What authors have never disappointed you?
I don't read much fiction. Can't remember a laugher at the moment. Not
many fiction books have infuenced my beliefs but everything I have read
has played a role.
>|
>|
>|
>|8)Right this very minute, what is your favorite poem?
I am quite fond of one my best friends' work. His name is Peter Gizzi. I
guess his work Textbook of Chivalry or Periplum.
>|
>|
>|
>|9)What was the last movie/TV show you watched that moved
>|you to tears?
>|
>|
St Elswhere has been running in syndication on TV Land and it still moves
me quite often!
>|
>|10)What ten movies would you take to a desert island?
>|
>|
>|
Wow. That would be so difficult. I would need those 10 movies all to
contain "qualities" that I would not want to be without as artwork. This
would take a great deal of thinking considering all the films I have seen
in my life.
Some candidates off the top of my head might include:
Silencio du Palais, Raise the Red Lantern, Out of the Past, Blue Velvet,
Plaff, My Life in Oblivion, Amantes, Wizard of Oz, La Jetty, Last Year at
Marienbad, Monsieur Hire, Ran, Fresh, Black Orpheus - 400 Blows. This is
too hard...
>|11)What ten books would you take to a desert island?
>|
>|
More likely I'd be picking music than reading! So I need to replace books
with records!
And that is really really hard :
A Love Supreme, Coltrane
Some Bartok work - perhaps Str. Qt #4 or Music for Strings/Perc/Celeste
McCoy Tyner - The Greeting
Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
Ravel -piano music
Liszt B Minor Sonata/ Chopin B Minor Piano Sonata
Something Salsa/Latin Jazz - Eddie Palmieri, Palo Pa Rumba
Repons - Boulez
Some music by Nicholas Gombert, 1540's
Some other contemporary composer, Cage, Xenakis
Books might include :
Madame Bovary
Dante's Inferno
Blood Oranges - John Hawkes
Le Maison de Rendezvous - Alain Robbe-Grillet
The Scarlet Letter
A Brief History of Time
well is it fiction or non?
>|
>|12)Do you remember the shooting of (DYRTSO) Reagan?
>|DYRTSO John Lennon? DYRTSO Dr. Martin L King? DYRTSO
>|Malcolm X? DYRTSO Robert Kennedy? DYRTSO John F.
>|Kennedy? DYRTSO the Kaiser?
>|
>|
Kaiser is a little before my time. J Kennedy I was too little.
>|
>|13)Describe you leisure activities of choice.
>|
>|
I don't have traditional hobbies like skiing, fishing and the like. I
don't differntiate that much between segments of my life. There is
infrastructure, art, work and love. My activities tend to be cultural in
nature, I guess TV or Sports for diversion; Mind candy or in the case of
HLOTS - sort of art - sometimes.
>|
>|14)Now describe what you've done with your last 5 hours
>|of leisure time. Why are these answers different?
>|
>|
Took a walk in nature. Contemplated a lot. Cleaned/organized. Writing.
Listen to music. Watch film.
>|
>|15)Describe your favorite meal, from drink to dessert.
>|
>|
I like to dine. A favorite salad was one i had recently in Monreal, it has
fresh tomato, fesh basil, fresh mozzarella, small pearl onions, passion
fruit, strawberries and vinigrette/oil with spices. Mmmm. MAybe a
butternut squash soup with cumin, ginger and cardigan spices - or a black
bean soup with some tomtoao stock and red pepper. Then perhaps some pasta
dish either in green(basil, oliv oil, ground and toasted pine nuts,
cheese) or red sauce, maybe over grilled salmon or maybe a pumpkin ravioli
in a light clear sauce with light hint of bay leaf or mint?! Good Rioja
from Spain. Bread from the French Italian Bakery in North Beach SF. Some
kind of crumbly cookie/coffe cake thing with fruit and a dab of chocolate
iceing and a cup of espresso with anise and lime rind!
>|
>|16)If you could have anyone in history over for a meal
>|today, who would it be, and what would you cook?
>|
>|
How bout Cleopatra or Athena. I don't know what I'd cook - but it would be
tasty. This too requires more thinking - and since history itself is often
a fiction I might pick someone for reasons that were attributed to them
but actually belonged to some unkown person?
>|
>|17)What art work do you have on the walls of your home?
>|Given an unlimited budget, what would you LIKE to have?
>|
>|
Sadly I have very little art, a couple of small pieces by unknown artists
- mostly because I can't afford it. If I had the big dough I would have a
lot of installation like pieces and mixed media work. Also experiemntal
photography.
>|
>|18)Describe what you would consider your talents.
>|
>|
Empathy.
>|
>|19)What was the last book your purchased? The last movie?
>|The last computer program? The last music CD (or whatever
>|medium you choose to consume)?
>|
>|
Book - Carolyn Myss - Anatomy of the Spirit, I don't own any movies but I
rented Killing Zoe, Once Were Warriors, 12 Monkeys and Crying Game none of
which I had seen before. I have bought too many CDs to keep track. A
recent one is a group called Ruby and the title is Salt Peter. Also picked
up an Anthony Braxton and Aicha Redoune (Egyptian Classical Music)
>|
>|20)If you were staggeringly rich (I mean like REALLY rich),
>|but were of a mind to charitably throw around your largesse,
>|how would you do it?
>|
>|
Very complicated. Would I be untouchable say by the CIA or the Feds? Would
my richness be independent of Wall Street? I would use my dough toward
real substanative change. Don't know exaclty but there would be a strong
support for artists and creative types. I might work toward developing
single payer health care and revamping the medical profession!
>|
>|21)How is it that you came to be a fan of H:LotS?
>|
>|
Got drawn in from the opening show! I loved the look and feel and when i
saw Tom Fontana was involved and St Elsewhere had been my favorite show
and I liked Northern Exposure - I figured it would be in that vien.
Quality. I particularly liked the jump cuts and moving camera. The fact
that it wasn't really about the murders or crime in many cases. That it
wasn't always a linear narrative, didn't always conform to the "4
quarters" of most 1 hour dramas - I remember an early episode that when
originally aired went for 23 minutes with no commercial! And that I could
enjoy the show just from a visiual perspective. On and on!
Philly the Kid
>|
>|______
>|John S. Landbeck jla...@gl.umbc.edu
Are you sure you don't work for the FBI? or some other data collecting
agency govt or corporate. If you do - then I will say that there is a good
achance I lied about everything I said...:-)
Todd
bruc...@erols.com, aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>Dave Locke wrote:
>
>> If it were up to you, would you have Charlie Manson executed to put
>> him out of our misery, or would you leave him in jail and force people
>> to guard him and feed him and give him medical attention and cater to
>> his legal initiatives and attend his parole hearings? If it were up
>> to you.
>
I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know Charlie
never committed any of the murders himself. Perhaps he did others we don't
know about, but his MO was to get others to do the work for him, e.g., Tex
Watson, Patricia Krenwinkle, Susan Atkins, etc.
Isn't the death penalty reserved for those who actually commit the act? I
know one can be convicted of murder without actually doing it (a guy here in
CA was just convicted in the death of his partner in crime, even though the
cops shot the man), but would that person also get the death penalty?
Perhaps our resident solicitor and barrister can answer this for us.
Todd
Todd
Leila <barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu>, aka Zarathustra, thus spake:
>> Am I the only one here who had a sex life as a teen, who will admit that
>> she really, really LIKED sex? That it was lots of fun? That she would
>> have cheerfully accepted $100 a month, and used it to buy better birth
>> control?
Must . . . show . . . restraint. Impulse control damaged . . . Dalkon shields
down.
Todd
Ceon Ramon
In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.970101...@umbc10.umbc.edu>,
landbeck john <jla...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>Well, I started it with my theoretical charity, described thusly;
>
>> >> month, starting from their eleventh birthday, for every month they
>> >> remained virgins. I don't know if this would have any effect
>> >> on teen pregnancy or the rate STDs are spreading amongst teens, but
>> >> can't think of a way to more directly address the problem.
[Rick and Ellen's objections noted]
> Now then, you are both absolutely correct, both in moral and
>theoretical terms, but the fulcrum of my proposal is in the final line
>of the description of it. It directly addresses the problem of teens
>getting pregnant (which, due to biology, is entirely a burden carried by
>women, though it of course is a responsibility borne by both sexes) by
>giving teen girls a practical, REAL reason to not have sex in the first
>place. At all. Period.
So who's going to be the Virginity Police? How would you propose
implementing this? Would there be mandatory monthly pelvic exams to
determine that the hymen is intact? Or shall we go straight back to the
Middle Ages and start issuing chastity belts?
Just curious about the details--
--Barbara
Dave Locke
Leila <barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu> came right out and said:
> If the death penalty truly did what it's original objectives were,
>then there would be no murder in this country.
> In case you haven't noticed, it didn't work.
Original objectives? You mean deterrent? It deters those we execute.
It doesn't deter anyone else because we seldom allow, or enforce, a
death penalty. All we really do is little more than holler "stop, or
I'll say stop again!"
The real objective has to do with ensuring that a serious
threat to society does not get back into it via jailbreak or such
criminal justice system screwups as 3-Strikes-And-Out and mandatory
sentencing laws. Let the murderer go free; we need this cell for a
guy who got caught with a joint in his pocket.
>...what about the people who are executed but didn't commit the crime?
If they're beyond their allotment of appeals, does it make you feel
better to have them live their life in jail? We're talking about what
happens after the appeals process in a scenario where the appeals fail
to turn around a capital offense conviction. What do we do with these
people? Let them out when we need their cell? Let them serve 17
years of a life sentence and get out for good behavior or on
probation?
>Or those people that committed the crime, but someone committing
>a similar crime did not get death? Or those people who are unfairly
>targeted because they are poor, or mentally disabled, or Black or
>whatever? Hmmm?
Whether we execute people or not, those problems remain. They're a
"push" and need to be dealt with outside the scope of this discussion
simply because they should be dealt with either way.
-
Slow Djinn - Dave Locke's Back Road Off The Information Highway
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/slowdjin/
~~~~~~Dave~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~dave...@bigfoot.com~~~~~~
Ceon Ramon
In article <5afmkv$l...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
James Lloyd Hill <j-h...@ehsn24.cen.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.970101222635.27059H-100000@gusun>
>Leila <barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu> writes:
[...]
>> In fact, the numbers of girls having children "out of wedlock" has
>>actually gone down overall -- but no one ever talks about that.
>"I'm gonna call, Tex." Let's have a citation on that little bit o' wisdom.
I am unable to provide a reference, but I've also read that, probably in
the local paper, probably somewhere on the op-ed page. The birthrate for
unwed teens is down either 17% or 19% nationally from previous years. I
wish I could be more specific.
--Barbara
Dave Locke
apr...@his.com (Philly the Kid) came right out and said:
dave...@bigfoot.com wrote:
>|Leila <barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu> came right out and said:
>|>...what about the people who are executed but didn't commit the crime?
>|
>|If they're beyond their allotment of appeals, does it make you feel
>|better to have them live their life in jail? We're talking about what
>|happens after the appeals process in a scenario where the appeals fail
>|to turn around a capital offense conviction. What do we do with these
>|people? Let them out when we need their cell? Let them serve 17
>|years of a life sentence and get out for good behavior or on
>|probation?
>
>You did not answer her question. Suppose your brother or best friend was
>falsely accused. A series of bizzare coincidences made things murky. An
>agressive DA and incompetent or politically motivated judge ran the case.
>Suddenyl - your relative or friend who is completely and 100% innocent is
>on death row. Your response then is - hey thems the breaks ole buddy or
>littel bro?! Unacceptable!
Yes I answered her question, right in the very first sentence.
Of course it would be unacceptable to me to have an innocent relative
or friend on death row, but it wouldn't be any more acceptable to have
them rotting in jail for the rest of their life after the appeals run
out.
If *I* were falsely convicted of a capital crime, and I was beyond my
allotment of appeals (that's the point I made which you're missing
here, Phil, that someone would be in a position where there were no
more appeals to be had), I'd rather cash it in than sit in a cell for
the rest of my life. Maybe someone else wouldn't feel that way,
thinking they'll be one of the lucky ones to break out or get paroled
before they croak so they can murder some other innocent people.
-
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http://www.angelfire.com/oh/slowdjin
~~~~~~Dave~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~dave...@bigfoot.com~~~~~~
James Lloyd Hill
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.970101222635.27059H-100000@gusun>
Leila <barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu> writes:
>
>should) have sex, while girls should remain virgins.
Consider if you will the implications of the above statement being
rigorously enforced as social policy. Heh heh heh.
> In fact, the numbers of girls having children "out of wedlock" has
>actually gone down overall -- but no one ever talks about that.
"I'm gonna call, Tex." Let's have a citation on that little bit o' wisdom.
Philly the Kid
|Yes I answered her question, right in the very first sentence.
|
|Of course it would be unacceptable to me to have an innocent relative
|or friend on death row, but it wouldn't be any more acceptable to have
|them rotting in jail for the rest of their life after the appeals run
|out.
|
|If *I* were falsely convicted of a capital crime, and I was beyond my
|allotment of appeals (that's the point I made which you're missing
|here, Phil, that someone would be in a position where there were no
|more appeals to be had), I'd rather cash it in than sit in a cell for
|the rest of my life.
Well - that's a pretty huge leap to assume that everyone else feels that
way. The fact remains that many people see life as quite precious even in
the unfortunate circumstance of jail. And jail falsely accused and
convicted.
What about the scenario where someone comes forward and admits the wrong
doing. Or something unforseen occurs that exonerates you. Oh thats right
you;d be pushin up daisies?!
Maybe someone else wouldn't feel that way,
|thinking they'll be one of the lucky ones to break out or get paroled
|before they croak so they can murder some other innocent people.
Huh?
You lost me here Einstein. I thought we were talking about the unfortunate
cases where someone is innocent?
| Dave Locke's
I;m not missing your point - though you keep repeating things as if that
makes it clearer. You haven't laid any foundation for justifying capital
punishment. You did not refute or debate the points i made. You proclaim
to rather die an innocent man than be locked up with no hope of release
and project that on everyone else...
People like you, frankly, scare me! If you are the type who is out on the
average jury - and to think you are allowed to vote....
P-t-K
Paulette
On 2 Jan 1997, Tina S wrote:
> Eva Whitley <ewhi...@qis.net> wrote in article <32CB0C...@qis.net>...
> > Am I the only one here who had a sex life as a teen, who will admit that
> > she really, really LIKED sex? That it was lots of fun? That she would
> > have cheerfully accepted $100 a month, and used it to buy better birth
> > control?
>
> And with $100 a month for birth control, you could have quite a lot of
> fun...
><SNIPPED>
> And besides, if we pay for moral behavior, let's not fool
> ourselves that we're creating morality (however it is defined) in the
> transaction.
That's _it_! _That's_ what's been bugging me about John's modest proposal.
Doesn't it seem like a weird sort of prostitution in reverse? Being paid
for _not_ doing what you _shouldn't_ be doing in the first place? Bizarre.
I believe John's heart was in the right place, and for the time being I'll
refrain from commenting on the sexism inherent in the system, but if we
have to resort to _bribing_ kids to abstain from having sex, don'tcha
think that would indicate we're far from being on target? Sounds to me
like a return trip to the ol' proverbial drawing board is in order.
-- Amanda [of course, John, where were your "virginity
scholarships" when I was biggest no-gettin'-any chick in my high school?
Thanks fer nothing, bro... :-) ]
Amanda K. Paulette--paulette@visi.net--http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~apaulet
"This is the biggest farce of an awards show I've ever seen!"
"What about the Emmys?" "I stand corrected." -- The Simpsons
Virginai Callahan
Cathlene Brady wrote:
> Judging from his demeanor at HomCon96 and his always thoughtful e-mail,
> I'd say JohnL is one of the least likely to have a sexist point of view.
I never accused John of being a sexist or making a sexist remark. In
fact, in both of my posts, I specifically stated that this was never
an issue of "sexism."
Ellen Callahan
call...@mills.edu
ecal...@earhlink.net
Niffer
Cathlene Brady wrote:
> Personally, I'd hesitate to suggest that men should be paid to remain
> virgins because there's no way to suggest proof.
I could be wrong about this, but is there really a sure fire way of
proving a girl's virginity? I remember reading somewhere a long time ago
that the hymen can break from causes other than intercourse. Also, if I
were a girl (again) I'd really hate to go through a gynecological exam
just to prove the lack of a sex life.
-- Niffer
Sean C
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Bruce T wrote:
> Dave Locke wrote:
>
> > If it were up to you, would you have Charlie Manson executed to put
> > him out of our misery, or would you leave him in jail and force people
> > to guard him and feed him and give him medical attention and cater to
> > his legal initiatives and attend his parole hearings? If it were up
> > to you.
>
> Since I am against capital punishment in all cases Charlie lives until
> he either dies, kills himself, or is murdered.
>
> Manson is also profoundly mentally ill (all together now: "DUH!!!").
> Many of the victims of capital punishment are also mentally ill or
> retarded and should not be held to the same level of responsibility
> as that of competent persons. This is not to say that we should
> excuse them because they don't know better. If a person's illness
> or behavior is dangerous to other people then that person should
> be kept out of public. Many mental illnesses are treatable or
> curable (obviously not Manson).
>
And on the note of mental illness, keeping people like Manson alive allows
us to study the disease, and possibly work out a cure, and become more
adept at catching others. From what I understand, the FBI is dramatically
more effective due to studies of this nature.
Sean C.
James Lloyd Hill
In article <5aggei$3...@news.duke.edu>
cel...@acpub.duke.edu (Catherine Elkins) writes:
>James Lloyd Hill <j-h...@ehsn24.cen.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>Leila <barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu> writes:
>>> And there is also the double standard that says that guys can (and
>>>should) have sex, while girls should remain virgins.
>>
>>Consider if you will the implications of the above statement being
>>rigorously enforced as social policy. Heh heh heh.
>
>Yes, that's a funny one! It means that guys are *encouraged* to
>try, try, try again, and if they don't they must be phaggits, and
>any lies, innuendo, and subterfuge are All! Right! if it gets him
>into her pants --- And when he does trick his way in, *she's* the
>one who's guilty, Guilty, GUILTY (and a slut anyway so who cares)
>of *real* immorality, while heck he's jes' a big Stud-Muffin.
>Ha, ha, ha.
Catherine, Catherine, Catherine. I know you're smarter than this, so I can
only assume a momentary lapse of my own traditional clarity. That, or that
the clue went through the living room while you were in the kitchen
barefootedly baking something like a Good Southern Woooman should.
What I was getting at in my remark above is this: if our society succeeds
in establishing virginity as an absolute for the ladies and in establishing
rampant rutting among the lads...with whom, precisely, are the lads to be
rutting?
Jim, whose favorite phrase on this topic is "She got herself pregnant"
--
j-h...@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu http://www.swcp.com/~jimhill/
"Buy the new book _Womens Be Thinkin' Too Much_ by Ike Turner for an
in-depth look at the War of the Sexes." -- D. Letterman
Tina S
Eva Whitley <ewhi...@qis.net> wrote in article <32CB0C...@qis.net>...
> Am I the only one here who had a sex life as a teen, who will admit that
> she really, really LIKED sex? That it was lots of fun? That she would
> have cheerfully accepted $100 a month, and used it to buy better birth
> control?
And with $100 a month for birth control, you could have quite a lot of
fun...
However, the original proposal stipulated celibacy, and this all-or-nothing
approach is part of the problem. Yes, teens are having sex, and often
having it much too young. That's a moral issue for them, and a social
issue for us at large. So we try to combat the social problem -- STD's,
young girls having children, and that ever-popular self-esteem thing -- by
addressing the moral issue only. It may make us feel better, but I think
it may sidestep the point. We can reduce the efffects of unprotected teen
sex, but it takes education and mentoring, and that's a larger commitment
than an impersonal payment. If we teach young people to be more
discriminating (and that they have self-worth and therefore deserve to be
particular) we may also teach abstinence and other valuable traits in the
process. And besides, if we pay for moral behavior, let's not fool
Philly the Kid
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.970102163111.179F-100000@gusun>, Leila
<barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu> wrote:
|On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Philly the Kid wrote:
|
|> In article <5afgqe$b...@camel2.mindspring.com>, dave...@bigfoot.com wrote:
|>
|> |Leila <barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu> came right out and said:
|> |
|> |> If the death penalty truly did what it's original objectives were,
|> |>then there would be no murder in this country.
|> |
|> |> In case you haven't noticed, it didn't work.
|>
|>
|> Though sarcastic and simple - it is true.
|
| Hey, should I be offended here?
|
| -- Leila
| barc...@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu
NO! I was agreeing with you! And really refershed to see such commone sense!
P-t-K
Philly the Kid
|
| Now then, you are both absolutely correct, both in moral and
|theoretical terms, but the fulcrum of my proposal is in the final line
|of the description of it. It directly addresses the problem of teens
|getting pregnant (which, due to biology, is entirely a burden carried by
|women, though it of course is a responsibility borne by both sexes) by
|giving teen girls a practical, REAL reason to not have sex in the first
|place. At all. Period.
|
|______
|John S. Landbeck
Now isn't it true that in previous cultures and centuries there really was
no class of person called "teen"? That marriage and child bearing came at
a much younger age?
This incentive with money thing is ludicrous and doesn't address any
fundamental issues. Its a gimmick.
Our culture does not deal well with teens and young adults. Double
standards, barrages of mixed messages and creating young consumers.
I'd rather see a society that put some emphasis on dealing with these
comlexitites as opposed to dictating morality and then conjuring up
rewards and punishments.
I find the above silly and simplistic and insensitive. Not to mention
unrealistic.
P-t-K
Philly the Kid
|Leila <barc...@gusun.georgetown.edu> came right out and said:
|
|> If the death penalty truly did what it's original objectives were,
|>then there would be no murder in this country.
|
|> In case you haven't noticed, it didn't work.
Though sarcastic and simple - it is true.
|
|Original objectives? You mean deterrent? It deters those we execute.
|It doesn't deter anyone else because we seldom allow, or enforce, a
|death penalty. All we really do is little more than holler "stop, or
|I'll say stop again!"
You obviously are angry at those you perceive to be horrible murderers and
have some notion that they are getting off easy. But what if I say I too
am horrified but my response is not to think I have a right to end their
lives? So we both agree that heinous acts were committed but we don't
agree on the response. You say "off 'em". That society is permitted to
make that call. I say no way. Now what?
|>...what about the people who are executed but didn't commit the crime?
|
|If they're beyond their allotment of appeals, does it make you feel
|better to have them live their life in jail? We're talking about what
|happens after the appeals process in a scenario where the appeals fail
|to turn around a capital offense conviction. What do we do with these
|people? Let them out when we need their cell? Let them serve 17
|years of a life sentence and get out for good behavior or on
|probation?
|
You did not answer her question. Suppose your brother or best friend was
falsely accused. A series of bizzare coincidences made things murky. An
agressive DA and incompetent or politically motivated judge ran the case.
Suddenyl - your relative or friend who is completely and 100% innocent is
on death row. Your response then is - hey thems the breaks ole buddy or
littel bro?! Unacceptable!
1 wrongly put to death person is 1 too many. And we all know that the
system is imperfect and often biased and manipulated by those with agendas
and means. No way I support allowing that unbridled power over life and
death to a "system".
It boggles my mind that so many Americans are comfortable with saying -
"sure - let's have sanctioned state killing" ??!! It rubs me all wrong at
my very core.
This doesn't mean I condone or minimize the suffering of persons and theri
families -- but there is way too much hypocrisy. Take another example -
what about all the lives lost due to decisions of governements and
corporations? shouldn't the gun manufacturers have some responsibilities.
What baout George Bush for all the innocent Iraqis killed due to his
whims. What about all the torutred and killed peasants by dictators and
military juntas in Banana republics that were trinaed and armed with our
tax dollars and on the authority of our representatives.
No the picture is always of some psycho or non-conformist who butchered an
innocent family, old lady or kids. Often poor and ignorant.
I ask people who feel deep in their hearts where this anger comes from -
this need for revenge and to measure out the ultimate violence. All the
intellectual debate aside what is this taste for killing that you hold so
dear all about?
|>Or those people that committed the crime, but someone committing
|>a similar crime did not get death? Or those people who are unfairly
|>targeted because they are poor, or mentally disabled, or Black or
|>whatever? Hmmm?
|
|Whether we execute people or not, those problems remain. They're a
|"push" and need to be dealt with outside the scope of this discussion
|simply because they should be dealt with either way.
Most people not categorized as serila killer or psycho on death row killed
a few folks. What about the goverments and corporations that have killed
millions?! It is pure hypocrisy. The world is a violent place. Horrible
things go on. But the perpetrators are not MOSTLY lazy angry psychos who
rob and kill in liquor stores.
If those of you so fervent about the death penalty and reducing due
process - would put that verve and zeal into eliminating easy access to
guns, and ongoing billions into the military industrial complex -- think
about this --
Suppose there was no poverty. And suppose 99% of the populace had
something useful and satisfying to do each day and was reasonably
educated. How much violent crime would there be? Would it be far less than
we have now with the gross inequities that our system creates? Would
persons be as desperate and angry and violent? Maybe - but I doubt it.
I'd rahter put the efforts that way toward the positive. I don't think
being locked up is any great treat. But killing someone doesn't bring
anyone else back or undo the damage. It is barbaric and uneccesary. I have
yet to see the case made for state sanctioned killing...and I have sen
many cases made for its abolition!
P-t-K
Dave Locke
apr...@his.com (Philly the Kid) came right out and said:
>dave...@bigfoot.com wrote:
>|Yes I answered her question, right in the very first sentence.
>|
>|Of course it would be unacceptable to me to have an innocent relative
>|or friend on death row, but it wouldn't be any more acceptable to have
>|them rotting in jail for the rest of their life after the appeals run
>|out.
>|
>|If *I* were falsely convicted of a capital crime, and I was beyond my
>|allotment of appeals (that's the point I made which you're missing
>|here, Phil, that someone would be in a position where there were no
>|more appeals to be had), I'd rather cash it in than sit in a cell for
>|the rest of my life.
>Well - that's a pretty huge leap to assume that everyone else feels that
>way.
I haven't edited your post up to this point, Phil, so I'd appreciate
it if you could point to where I made a "pretty huge leap to assume
that everyone else feels that way." And, when you can't point to it,
I'd appreciate if you'd read these discussions more closely so our
energies aren't sidetracked with reading comprehension problems.
>The fact remains that many people see life as quite precious even in
>the unfortunate circumstance of jail. And jail falsely accused and
>convicted.
I'm sure many would.
>What about the scenario where someone comes forward and admits
>the wrong doing. Or something unforseen occurs that exonerates you.
>Oh thats right you;d be pushin up daisies?!
It's the stuff of fairy tales, Phil. In real life the odds are less
than those of winning a state lotto (and if lotto profits really went
into the education coffers, as many states told us they really would,
we wouldn't be seeing more and more people buying lotto tickets...).
At any rate, if you're falsely convicted then you can sit in your cell
with your lotto ticket waiting for the astronomically improbable, but
I'd rather not. Maybe if I hadn't majored in math and statistics I'd
be keeping you company, but...
>|Maybe someone else wouldn't feel that way, thinking they'll be one
>|of the lucky ones to break out or get paroled before they croak so
>|they can murder some other innocent people.
>Huh?
Huh?
>You lost me here Einstein.
Don't let the white in my hair lead you astray.
>I thought we were talking about the unfortunate cases where someone
>is innocent?
Missed my segue, eh?
>I;m not missing your point - though you keep repeating things as if that
>makes it clearer.
I pretty much repeated two sentences once, hoping maybe they'd
actually get understood the second time.
>You haven't laid any foundation for justifying capital punishment.
Sure did, in the post you partially quote and in prior posts. Cost
(jails and maintenance) and incident prevention (dead murderers don't
get free to kill again) and the need to create better jobs (than
having people feed and guard and medicate capital offense convicts and
deal with such legalities as parole hearings and legal initiatives).
And I could add in the fact that their presence just makes our prisons
a better training ground to foster even more crime.
>You did not refute or debate the points i made.
Where were you that you didn't read me doing that?
>You proclaim to rather die an innocent man than be locked up with no
>hope of release ...
Yes
>and project that on everyone else...
No.
>People like you, frankly, scare me! If you are the type who is out on the
>average jury - and to think you are allowed to vote....
A jury only recommends punishment for a capital offense. A judge
ultimately has the responsibility to determine what the punishment
will be.
It's a scary world out there, Phil. As the Moody Blues say, folks are
"frightened by the people who are stalking this Earth." I think
dealing with such people requires a more pragmatic approach than you
seem willing to bring to bear on the issue.
Okay, I'm done with this topic. H:LotS is on tomorrow, and about
goddam time.