ATH: The Case of the Missing Life
W. MacPherson!
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:55:16 GMT, linkm...@homicidefans.org (Dave
Locke) wrote:
>The a.t.h FAQ for Dumb Clucks is recommended reading, and you'll find
>it at: <http://www.mindspring.com/~choichi/athfaq.htm>. It contains a
>response to this rant of yours, since we've heard it all before.
I know I'm supposed to wait two weeks before posting this, but you
are an incredible dipshit. Anyone who needs to point out spelling
errors to make themselves look superior is a sorry excuse for a human
being. Either that, or you're just acting like a sorry human being to
show off for all your little friends here in "a.t.h." How fitting
that you make it sound like a sorority or some kind of youth social
club. The aren't-we-precious "dumb clucks FAQ" is so completely high
school that I'm surprised any of you watches Homicide at all. It has
to be the complete limit of your faculties to turn the channel to
NBC while you're still basking in the pubescent haze of Friday's
TGIF lineup on ABC. (Along those lines, sabrinafans.org is still
available. I look forward to seeing what you do with that domain
when you realize the kind of show that's more suited to your
maturity level).
The next case for the homicide unit should be to investigate your
absence of a life, though I wonder if the statute of limitations
might have run out since it was first reported missing. Pembleton
and Bayliss could work the case, though you probably rate Ballard
and Gharty at best. I wouldn't hold out any hope for a redball.
You're the equivalent of the self-righteous city father who turns
up dead from auto-erotic asphyxiation in the denouement, a subplot
tossed in by the writers to hammer home the point that human
society is really just a circus of freaks.
Reading Catherine Yronwode's "a show gets the newsgroup it
deserves" illustrates what an ongoing circle jerk this really is.
She couldn't be more wrong. Homicide deserves a much brighter cast
of characters in this newsgroup. The regulars here pride themselves
on spelling corrections and other public nitpicking that's so anal
it's esophageal. Never before has an entire Usenet group been more
in need of Pepcid AC.
(Of importance to note is that Yronwode's 15 minutes of Net fame
came as a wrong-headed harridan who used the press to kill a
mail-to-news gateway in Texas a few years ago. Having her sing your
praises is like inviting O.J. Simpson to cut the ribbon at your
new women's center.)
Load my message into your spellchecker, Dave, and let me know
what gets your Underoos in a bunge. I look forward to seeing what
the other herd animals in your clique come up with as they climb over
each other trying to be the first to pile on. A pile is a perfect
place to play grab-ass with each other, and make no mistake:
Grab-ass is the real purpose of this newsgroup, not an intelligent
discussion about an intelligent show.
Lastly, every high-school wrestling team has at least one member
who enjoys the groping and the rubbing and the holding a little too
much. You're that wrestler, Dave, and it's a pity there's no coach
here to make you run laps until you learn some socialization skills.
Every time I hear a Celine Dion song and pray for her to become
member No. 2 of the Karen Carpenter Bulemic Death Trifecta, I'll
think of you.
W. MacPherson!
Astra1995
>From: wmacp...@geocities.com (W. MacPherson!)
>I know I'm supposed to wait two weeks before posting this, but you
>are an incredible dipshit. Anyone who needs to point out spelling
>errors to make themselves look superior is a sorry excuse for a human
>being.
(Snipped for stupidity)
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. Where are all of these trolls coming from? So many
at once, too. Who was it that said it had been a while? Did you forget to
knock on wood?
Astra* RC Hullabaloo
Director of Bunny Deconstruction and Reprogramming
Chris Pierson
In article <353aaa75...@enews.newsguy.com>,
W. MacPherson! <wmacp...@geocities.com> wrote:
[snip]
Wow. So _that's_ what happens when one doesn't get enough fibre in one's
diet.
(Oh ... and "Underoos in a bunge"? Do you mean "bunch," or perhaps
"bungee" -- an oblique reference to the behavior of the elastic waistband
of your jockeys when your classmates gave you much-deserved wedgies back
in school? I know you denigrate people who give a rat's ass about
spelling, but that doesn't entitle you to create whole new words ...)
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Dave Locke
W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
[snip]
Hi Cath. How many pseudonyms are you going to be posting from
"newsguy.com" this week?
Another example of someone skydiving in to spend excessive time and
wordage telling us how worthless we are and that we should all get
lives.
Sooner or later, almost every newsgroup has this happen. What lemming
instinct from the dark soul of mankind prompts such ironic catharsis
in these people?
Anyway, "W. Mac!", thanks for telling us that during evolution your
ancestors were in the control group.
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
Some of these trolls are making me tired in the head.
Laura Cox
Astra1995 wrote:
>
>I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. Where are all of these trolls coming from? >So many
>at once, too. Who was it that said it had been a while? Did you >forget to knock on wood?
Ah spring is here and the trolls have come out of hibernation.
Laura
David Manning
W. MacPherson! wrote in message
<snip>
>I know I'm supposed to wait two weeks before posting this, but you
>are an incredible dipshit. Anyone who needs to point out spelling
>errors to make themselves look superior is a sorry excuse for a human
>being. Either that, or you're just acting like a sorry human being to
>show off for all your little friends here in "a.t.h." How fitting
>that you make it sound like a sorority or some kind of youth social
>club. The aren't-we-precious "dumb clucks FAQ" is so completely high
The sheer irony between the length of the post and the subject heading is
amazing. Do the words 'pot calling the kettle black' apply here? You
betcha.
also If you hunt elephants with an elefant gun, what to you hunt trolls
with? (humor)
-d
--
"Please don't be an idiot.
Thank You."
-Pembleton, Homicide
Todd
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:39:46 GMT, wmacp...@geocities.com (W.
MacPherson!) thus spake:
>On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:55:16 GMT, linkm...@homicidefans.org (Dave
>Locke) wrote:
>>The a.t.h FAQ for Dumb Clucks is recommended reading, and you'll find
>>it at: <http://www.mindspring.com/~choichi/athfaq.htm>. It contains a
>>response to this rant of yours, since we've heard it all before.
>
>I know I'm supposed to wait two weeks before posting this, but you
>are an incredible dipshit. Anyone who needs to point out spelling
>errors to make themselves look superior is a sorry excuse for a human
>being. Either that, or you're just acting like a sorry human being to
>show off for all your little friends here in "a.t.h." How fitting
>that you make it sound like a sorority or some kind of youth social
>club. The aren't-we-precious "dumb clucks FAQ" is so completely high
>school that I'm surprised any of you watches Homicide at all. It has
>to be the complete limit of your faculties to turn the channel to
>NBC while you're still basking in the pubescent haze of Friday's
>TGIF lineup on ABC. (Along those lines, sabrinafans.org is still
>available. I look forward to seeing what you do with that domain
>when you realize the kind of show that's more suited to your
>maturity level).
>
Not a club. Just a fine collection of folks with an affinity for a
particular TV show and a disdain for the lower species of Middle Earth
who come in here to have their little catharses in the meagre hope
that a rainbow will appear and enlighten the rest of us. Got news for
ya, MacFuck . . . we've seen your kind before. You're not new.
Though out of context, this particular quote from Ricky Jay seems
appropriate in your case:
"I put a thief in my mouth to steal my brain."
Good luck in therapy,
Todd
Kim
W. MacPherson! dropped a big ol' meadow muffin:
>
> I know I'm supposed to wait two weeks before posting this, but you
> are an incredible dipshit.
GODDAMMIT! Whose turn was it to guard the door?! No soup for you!
And say, W. MacPherson!, does that W stand for "Walt" by any chance?
Even if it doesn't, do you mind if I go ahead and call you Gaffney?
<SNIP of tsk-tsking tripe>
> The aren't-we-precious "dumb clucks FAQ" is so completely high
> school that I'm surprised any of you watches Homicide at all.
Like really? Wow. Like that hurts. Like maybe I'll just unplug it cuz
you are obviously such an expert and there's like totally no useful
information there anyway.
> It has
> to be the complete limit of your faculties to turn the channel to
> NBC while you're still basking in the pubescent haze of Friday's
> TGIF lineup on ABC.
Oh, I'm often basking, but not nearly as often as I would like, and it's
not from the TGIF lineup. <BTW, I demand to know who's bogarting the
StealthVibe 2000! It's my turn dammit!>
> (Along those lines, sabrinafans.org is still
> available. I look forward to seeing what you do with that domain
> when you realize the kind of show that's more suited to your
> maturity level).
How and why do you know that URL is still available? Oops. Never mind.
I wouldn't want you to have to lower yourself to our level by replying.
Clearly we are not worthy of you, Gaffney, so why don't you strut on
back to alt.nannynanny.booboo. I'm sure you're like totally missed.
RC Godzilla
------------
"The interest in life does not lie in what people do, nor even in their
relations to each other, but largely in the power to communicate with a
third party, antagonistic, enigmatic, yet perhaps persuadable, which one
may call life in general."
- Virginia Woolf
"Do people whose activities you approve of have too much time on their
hands, too?"
- Dave Locke
MrFannnnny
>>Anyone who needs to point out spelling
errors to make themselves look superior is a sorry excuse for a human
being. Either that, or you're just acting like a sorry human being to
show off for all your little friends here in "a.t.h." <<
Hons, just be glads he`s only pms-ing on flamboyantspelling and you are not the
unwittin' recipient of incessant flirtybehaviors from that newsgroup PepeLePue.
I'm posting here because that other thread is toolooong and this seems like
where the action is:
UNO:
I don't cum here everyday (unlike some) and when I clickon a looks-toottempting
"Big Spoiler" post -- I expect to get something HottsieTottsie!~
Like.....Gee rips off that toup to reveal he's flying Dennis Rodman colours ...
AND NOT ''ConjunctionJunction-what's your function''
I'm disappointed beyond repair....
DOS:
To the naysayers of Timmy's secret... I have one word for
you..................... GeorgeMichael
He was...........by all accounts............as straight as they cum until he
suddenly dida flipflopout of the john/into the closet/into the john/out of the
closet.
TRES:
To Caryl-Sue- I can't find your post" re: Bayliss and his bi line" right now,
Hotbaby, But I'm so pleased to find a fellow *thinker* here monst the peeps,
Bravo to you and to each their own.
I see the FranklyTims as a perfectly natural parent/child bond betwixt 2 grown
men more than bedmates but 'dre went to juiliard and sometimessomestraight
"Thhhhee-a-ta~"
people give off a lil eansybit of a 'faggy'vibe~ Itz that "Stand feet stretched
far apart/buttocks clenched and deliverlines" they teach there..
QUATRO:
Finally :-) To the lovely Dollybird who sent me a piece of
actual...........*fan mail*
--Woof Woof, Hons!~ I'm so touched you remark on my talent.:::::blushing
7shades red::::::
MrFannny
>>Lastly, every high-school wrestling team has at least one member
who enjoys the groping and the rubbing and the holding a little too
much. You're that wrestler, Dave<<
I know YOU'R NOT SAYING YOU'R AFTER MY MAN, are you?!? ::::biatcheeslap and
throwingchair:::::::
This place puts Jerry Springer too shame
W. MacPherson!
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:59:57 -0400, "David Manning"
<dav...@erols.com.NOSPAM> wrote:
>The sheer irony between the length of the post and the subject heading is
>amazing. Do the words 'pot calling the kettle black' apply here? You
>betcha.
>also If you hunt elephants with an elefant gun, what to you hunt trolls
>with? (humor)
In El Salvador, when the death squads press someone into service, the
standard operating procedure is to make the new member commit the
next atrocity. This way, the new guy becomes complicit in their
crimes and is less likely to retain the moral backbone that only gets
in the way of good team building.
The other responses are cookie-cutter fare, helping prove my point
that the show deserves more intelligent regulars than it gets here
in Alpha Tau Eta.
Your response is more personally disappointing. After posting a long
thoughtful message about Homicide, the only response you got here
was spelling flames.
A once promising member of this group posted, "If you actually
expend energy and enjoy correcting people's spelling, I have to tell
you, there's a big world out there beyond the keyboard." Where
did that person go?
"Everything that moves begs me to attack it." -- Henry Rollins
"Make fun of my spelling, call me a dumbass, ignore my opinion, and
I'll follow you anywhere." -- David Manning
W. MacPherson!
ssch...@accesscomm.net
In article <353927F5...@bigfoot.com>,
Kim <akit...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> <BTW, I demand to know who's bogarting the
> StealthVibe 2000! It's my turn dammit!>
<whisper>--It's in the mail. Sorry for the delay. heh-heh.
Kristin
RHC (The Aitch don't always stand for "Helluva", dontcha know!)
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On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:20:08 GMT, Dave Locke <linkm...@homicidefans.org> wrote:
>W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
>
>[snip]
>
>Hi Cath. How many pseudonyms are you going to be posting from
>"newsguy.com" this week?
Newsguy.com is the new name for zippo.com, a for-profit news server
service. A lot of people use it, especially when their own servers suck. I
occasionally use it. Etcetera.
m.
--
m...@squawk.klue.on.ca Life is like a bad margarita with good tequila,
http://squawk.klue.on.ca I thought, as I poured whiskey onto my granola
Running Debian Linux 2.0 and faced a new day.
David Manning
On mrfan...@aol.com (MrFannnnny) let it be known that:
>
>This place puts Jerry Springer too shame
Sure beats Montel Williams.
(If you aren't ROFL go watch episode 1)
-d
-"Please Don't be an Idiot.
Thank you." Pembleton, Homicde
David Manning
On wmacp...@geocities.com (W. MacPherson!) let it be known that:
>In El Salvador, when the death squads press someone into service, the
>standard operating procedure is to make the new member commit the
>next atrocity. This way, the new guy becomes complicit in their
>crimes and is less likely to retain the moral backbone that only gets
>in the way of good team building.
>
>The other responses are cookie-cutter fare, helping prove my point
>that the show deserves more intelligent regulars than it gets here
>in Alpha Tau Eta.
>
>Your response is more personally disappointing. After posting a long
>thoughtful message about Homicide, the only response you got here
>was spelling flames.
>
>A once promising member of this group posted, "If you actually
>expend energy and enjoy correcting people's spelling, I have to tell
>you, there's a big world out there beyond the keyboard." Where
>did that person go?
>
>"Everything that moves begs me to attack it." -- Henry Rollins
>
>"Make fun of my spelling, call me a dumbass, ignore my opinion, and
>I'll follow you anywhere." -- David Manning
>
>W. MacPherson!
>
Okay Maybe I'll give you brownie points for the insult of Celine.
Definetly brownie points for the Rollins quote.
Second, That post in which you quote was aimed at one person and one
person only. The rest transpired behind closed doors. The posting
was an overreaction on my part, mainly because i didnt see the
(humor). Though it is accurate of my views.
Third, I have never corrected someone's spelling, generally, I could
care less. Generally I try to help the new people. I am not
following anyone down any path whatsoever. Using a flame the size of
nuclear weapons is not going to get intelligent responses out of
anyone. Most likely it will cause retaliation.
I am not, and will not bow down to oppression, capitalism,
facisim or anyone _ever_. I don't sit in front of my computer for
long, rather I get out, I do things. I don't follow the crowd, not
usually, that is.
Perhaps this is a wake up call.
When it comes to nip picking, the nit I care about is youre accuracy
involving the show. If you'll notice, I posted something in reguards
to the Rotation policy of BPD. NO one has responded to it. IMO, no
one has an opinion on it.
IMO you've overreacted big time. Most everyone I've talked with does
not like where the show's writing has gone. Most of the opinions have
been aired. So, like the US government, were left with petty
infighting, backstabbing and overall politics.
Personally, I don't have a problem with anyone who is a fan of the
show. I do have a problem with stupid posts, and I'll tell you why.
If you're going to open up to someone or a group of people, you have
to be careful. If you say the wrong things, or say something that
sounds really stupid, the whole cheeta/zebra thing will happen. And I
don't want that to happen, because behind these threads are real
people, people with feelings. Now, all of Usenet has become inindated
with people starting flame wars for the sheer hell of it. Thus, the
instant any flame starts up, reactions come en masse. The entire
usenet community is reactionary.
Up here, differing views are accepted. As long as you back up your
opinion with something.
4th-the a.t.h mini FAQ being called the "Faq for Dumb clucks" sounds
pretty doggone funny. But, thats the RC's (riot chicks, nothing
relevant to riot grrls) page. The offical FAQ (but dated) is linked
from Dave Locke's page, along with the official mini-faq.
ukrm
W. MacPherson attacked one he purportedly was defending:
> Your response is more personally disappointing. After posting a long
> thoughtful message about Homicide, the only response you got here
> was spelling flames.
>
> A once promising member of this group posted, "If you actually
> expend energy and enjoy correcting people's spelling, I have to tell
> you, there's a big world out there beyond the keyboard." Where
> did that person go?
> "Make fun of my spelling, call me a dumbass, ignore my opinion, and
> I'll follow you anywhere." -- David Manning
David has common sense and good humor, more valuable attributes than the
ability to spew latin-laden polysyllabic vitriol. Anyone who is foolish
enough to take anything on a newsgroup relating to a TV show seriously
enough to spout comparisons to El Salvadorean death squads could certainly
use a large dose of both. One can't help but wonder about the true reasons
for these vicious attacks.
Shelshka, RCB
Theplotter
Uncle Waltie says:
<<In El Salvador, when the death squads press someone into service, the
standard operating procedure is to make the new member commit the
next atrocity. This way, the new guy becomes complicit in their
crimes and is less likely to retain the moral backbone that only gets
in the way of good team building.>>
Hey, the mean old fart twigged to my tactics used to break in new employees
at the Labs! Go figure.
Listen, baby. You don't like it here, make your own group. We don't care.
Just take it outside. I am sick of all this fighting, and am about to turn
into Rodney King, okay?
Love,
Plotter
RMC
"You should turn yourself into the ASPCA. And if no one adopts you, you should
have yourself put to sleep. Because you are too dumb to live."
-Robert Fulghum, taken wildly out of context. I like it better this way.
Dave Locke
W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
> ... the show deserves more intelligent regulars than it gets here
> in Alpha Tau Eta.
The newsgroup deserves more intelligent posters than people who drop
in only to bitch about how terrible the newsgroup is.
To crash the party, and with a mouth which is too profound tell us
we're all a bunch of clueless gits, is nothing more than an exercise
of your ego. To stick around and run your message on an endless loop
is nothing more than an exercise of our patience.
Some people love to go through life standing at the complaint counter.
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"It always amazes me to read strangers telling us how to
rearrange our furniture." -- Jim Williams
W. MacPherson!
On 18 Apr 1998 16:31:00 GMT, cpie...@tiac.net (Chris Pierson) wrote:
>(Oh ... and "Underoos in a bunge"? Do you mean "bunch," or perhaps
>"bungee" -- an oblique reference to the behavior of the elastic waistband
>of your jockeys when your classmates gave you much-deserved wedgies back
>in school? I know you denigrate people who give a rat's ass about
>spelling, but that doesn't entitle you to create whole new words ...)
"Bunge" (from bunged) is the condition of being plugged up. It's an
appropriate descriptor for someone who is so gastrointellectually
blocked that he posts spelling and vocabulary corrections. If you
understood the meaning of my post but decided to correct my English
usage anyway, you're probably as much in need of a colostomy as
rush chairman Dave.
"Look, I can see you getting all bunged up for them making you wear
these kinda clothes. But face it, you're a Neo-Maxi-Zoom-Dweebie!
What would you be doing if you weren't out making yourself a better
citizen?" - - Judd Nelson, "The Breakfast Club"
To head off your next post right now: "kinda" and
"neo-maxi-zoom-dweebie" are slang terms meaning "sort of a" and
"king of all morons." My apologies if you are already intimately
familiar with these pejoratives.
W. MacPherson!
Dave Locke
W. MacPherson! drooled into his keyboard again:
But I won't bother quoting it.
Skydiving in here to do nothing more than attempting to spread your
hate and discontent may be a fun time for you, but you're wearing thin
as a pickup game of Dropkick The Troll.
Walt, If I get close enough to your posts, I can hear the ocean.
You're a load of bollocks. Sod off.
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"What is the world coming to when we ignore the opportunities to
remove idiots from our surroundings?" -- Dan Sorenson
W. MacPherson!
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 07:20:47 GMT, linkm...@homicidefans.org (Dave
Locke) wrote:
>Skydiving in here to do nothing more than attempting to spread your
>hate and discontent may be a fun time for you, but you're wearing thin
>as a pickup game of Dropkick The Troll.
You seem to be under some kind of obligation to reply to every message
posted in this group, whether or not you have anything to add. You're
like a batter who swings at every pitch.
The lack of comity has existed in Alpha Tau Eta for a long time
before I showed up, and given your desire to correct the spelling
and insult the intelligence of as many newcomers as you can, it will
exist long after I leave.
Perhaps I'm directing more of this towards you than I should, but
with most other people, the rude behavior seems like an occasional
lapse in judgment. With you, it's a lifestyle choice.
W. MacPherson!
Theplotter
Unca Waltie spits in the cornflakes:
<<>Skydiving in here to do nothing more than attempting to spread your
>hate and discontent may be a fun time for you, but you're wearing thin
>as a pickup game of Dropkick The Troll.
You seem to be under some kind of obligation to reply to every message
posted in this group, whether or not you have anything to add. You're
like a batter who swings at every pitch.>>
Love, you ever hear this neat tale about a pot and a kettle? I won't insult
anyone's intelligence in here by repeating the oft-told story, but in case
you're having a little trouble, let me sum up: Get a mirror and shut up.
Nobody is making you stay here, and Goddess knows, you're certainly giving us
the aura of Gaffney. Now we know why Gee wrecks the room after the Big Fathead
gives another one of his speeches.
Plotter,
Dave Locke
W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
> linkm...@homicidefans.org (Dave Locke) wrote:
> >Skydiving in here to do nothing more than attempting to spread your
> >hate and discontent may be a fun time for you, but you're wearing thin
> >as a pickup game of Dropkick The Troll.
>
> ... with most other people, the rude behavior seems like an occasional
> lapse in judgment. With you, it's a lifestyle choice.
Feel free to keep that mirror as you leave the building, Walt.
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"Y'know, you're in your own little world, 'cause there ain't
nobody wants to get in there with you." -- Det .Meldrick Lewis
uk...@earthlink.net
In article <353ade31...@enews.newsguy.com>,
wmacp...@geocities.com jacked off:
> You seem to be under some kind of obligation to reply to every message
> posted in this group, whether or not you have anything to add. You're
> like a batter who swings at every pitch.
Remove the beam from thine own eye! Your erudition doesn't disguise the "No,
*you* are!" nature of your comments, reminiscent of a petulant child who
must, at all costs, have the last word in the argument. You already hit rock
bottom when you pulled out the El Salvadorean death squad comparison, which
is just the Nazi accusation tarted up in a tutu. Anything you say now, now
matter how intelligently worded, merely comes across as the trite grumblings
of poor sportsmanship. The only possible reason to continue is a desperate
attempt to salvage your ego.
Certainly you're more intelligent than the average troll, but you're just as
pointless.
Shelshka, RCB
Chris Pierson
In article <353a92e1...@enews.newsguy.com>,
W. MacPherson! <wmacp...@geocities.com> wrote:
>On 18 Apr 1998 16:31:00 GMT, cpie...@tiac.net (Chris Pierson) wrote:
>>(Oh ... and "Underoos in a bunge"? Do you mean "bunch," or perhaps
>>"bungee" -- an oblique reference to the behavior of the elastic waistband
>>of your jockeys when your classmates gave you much-deserved wedgies back
>>in school? I know you denigrate people who give a rat's ass about
>>spelling, but that doesn't entitle you to create whole new words ...)
>
>"Bunge" (from bunged) is the condition of being plugged up.
No. The word you're so spasmically groping for is "bung." It also isn't
used as a noun in the way you're trying to use it. The noun "bung" refers
to either the cork, or the hole it plugs (also known as a bunghole).
I would think, given your personality, that folks would have used this
word enough to describe you that you'd be intimately familiar with it.
Of course, the only thing you're probably intimately familiar with is at
the end of your right wrist.
>It's an
>appropriate descriptor for someone who is so gastrointellectually
>blocked that he posts spelling and vocabulary corrections. If you
>understood the meaning of my post but decided to correct my English
>usage anyway, you're probably as much in need of a colostomy as
>rush chairman Dave.
You be fucking idiot. Go way now.
Did you understand the meaning of that, trollboy?
Kim
W. MacPherson! wrote:
>
> You seem to be under some kind of obligation to reply to every message
> posted in this group, whether or not you have anything to add. You're
> like a batter who swings at every pitch.
How did all of this start? Let's do a recap...
- David Manning throws out the first pitch by posting an interesting and
well thought out (IMO) commentary on the show. He closed it with:
> Has anyone else noticed that
> the shoes (black nikes) that Gee wore in "Nothing Personal" appear to be the
> same shoes worn by the shooter in "The City that Bleeds". Interesting
> considence.
(BTW, I have ignored this nit thus far, but I believe the shoes were
actually Adidas. I digress...)
- Carrie Pruett steps up to the plate:
> Damn, you've solved the mystery! Gee shot Beau,
> Kay and Stan and then killed Pratt to cover it up!
Now, in other groups this may be considered snide and/or rude, but here,
where we proudly put the "dys" in dysfunctional, Carrie's reply is
Business As Usual and IMO funny.
- David, by his own admission, overreacted and got snarky. He tried to
bean the batter:
> You're in college, you should know what a considence is.
- Dave, as usual, beat everyone else to the punch and smacks one out of
the park by asking what a "considence" is. (Smart-assness begets
smart-assness 'round here, bunk).
- Homicide75 steps up to the plate and drools on it, prompting various
people to take swings.
- pspiglanin, you, and the other visiting Crusaders take the mound and
try to rally for the underdogs. You talk shit to the home team and you
hurl wild pitches. Alas, here in a.t.h., just like at Wrigley Field,
Camden Yards, or any other park, spit balls are not welcome, and rather
than impress the spectators and participants, they outrage and disgust
them.
> The lack of comity has existed in Alpha Tau Eta for a long time
> before I showed up, and given your desire to correct the spelling
> and insult the intelligence of as many newcomers as you can, it will
> exist long after I leave.
Have you really not witnessed the countless times that Dave has welcomed
newbies and encouraged them to post? Or are you just conveniently
forgetting them? Either way, allow me to give some examples:
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8/8/97:
<SNIPPED by Kim>
I wish everyone else did indeed follow the newsgroup etiquette.
However, there was absolutely nothing of any significance wrong with
your post and it was not a veteran who smarmed you. Welcome to the
group, Mel.
--
Dave
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1/18/98:
Ann (Iocaste) cast forth electrons:
> I'm in my first year at law school -- and yes, a very similar story was the
> basis for a class discussion in Criminal Law, lasting one hour and forty-five
> minutes. In our version, a guy gets pushed off the roof and shot on the way
> down -- what do you charge the pusher with? My prof. was of the opinion that
> the best you could do was charge the pusher with attempted murder.
Depends. Was the person he pushed a dope?
> Oh yeah, I'm new. Hi.
Howdy. Welcome.
--
Dave
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1/21/98:
Jodee Rubins cast forth electrons:
<SNIPPED by Kim>
Lauren Koons wrote:
> > either that, or I've really lost all ability to tolerate ignorance. I'm voting
> > for the latter as demonstrated by my continued hostility to newbies
> > on this ng.
>
> Um, Lauren, please don't be mad at me.
>
> Jodee, relative newbie
Welcome, Jodee. You'll have to pardon Lauren. She hasn't yet honed
all her discriminatory faculties. At least, to judge by what she
wrote here, she recognizes there may be a problem...
--
Dave
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1/23/98
Unverified User cast forth electrons:
> I'm new to this chat, so I don't know if it's been said a million times
> already, but I vote to cut down on the personal lives, and get back to
> "Homicide" as a police show!
It has, but welcome to the club. Much better to reveal personal data
along the way while working a good case than to get sidetracked into a
personal piece which is hung on the framework of a flimsy case. The
former is the L&O type of approach, the latter is the soap approach.
H:LotS used to tread a better line between the two.
And what would you like to be known as in here. Unverified User...?
--
Dave
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3/31/98:
LBurnham cast forth electrons:
> Delurking ... delurking ... delurking ...
>
> ... I'm a late bloomer in that I only "discovered" H:LoTS last year, in
> reruns (and thank heavens for those and the VCR). ... I've been
> faithfully following everything ever since ... I can deal with the
> change in cast ... I can even handle a different approach ... IF -- and
> here's the rub -- the writing/cast were up to it. But I don't think they are.
>
> Well, I'll continue taping reruns and watching ... and hoping ....
Welcome to the club, Louise.
--
Dave
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The above are just the ones that I found by doing a DejaNews search for
the word "welcome" in this group with Dave as the author, and I didn't
look at any prior to August 1997, since that's about the time I started
lurking. And speaking of ME...
I first ventured a toe into the murky waters of a.t.h. in
mid-September. On or about Oct. 29, Dave re-printed a list of peeves
about newcomers, which I wish I could re-post here now. Unfortunately,
I wasn't able to find that post, only my reply:
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ASA Locke researched the (suggested) statutes:
>
> Michael Weholt, a rather interesting fellow in another newsgroup, also
> had some words he dropped into Usenet today. I'm going to reprint a
> few of them. You may see some occasional relevance here:
> <SNIPPED TO SUIT>
> my patience grows thin with people who think my time is their time.
>
> :We have people coming into newsgroups:
>
> :1)confident that others will find them inherently
> :fascinating, just start blathering.
>
> :3) who have an agenda that doesn't have much to do with the
> :established community, but which *will* soon have *much* to do with it because it is on the newcomer's agenda and that justifies everything.
>
> :5) who spout received wisdom and Hallmark Cardisms
>
> :6) who do and say the same things we have all seen a million times
> :before.
I plead Not Guilty by reason of Mental Defect.
Kim et al.
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To that, Dave replied:
Which one of you? This is one of your more endearing qualities and
you should be cherished for it. We're thinking of taking up a
collection to have you cast in bronze.
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I do have a paranoid streak in me, and I'm not sure that Dave intended
to make me feel welcome and accepted with that reply, but that's what he
did.
> Perhaps I'm directing more of this towards you than I should, but
> with most other people, the rude behavior seems like an occasional
> lapse in judgment. With you, it's a lifestyle choice.
Actually it's neither. With Dave, it's discernment: he is "rude" when
it is deserved. With you, I think it's innate. And to you, I say:
Thank you. Please drive through. To Dave, I say simply and sincerely:
Thank you.
Kim
Laura Cook
Very nice recap, Kim.
Here's the deal W!... This is not a newsgroup about the best damn
show on television. This is a place where people gather to discuss
the best damn show on television. There is a difference. This is a
social group. If you boldly step into a group of people who are
having a conversation, you will get any number of reactions. The one
you got here was typical of a group of educated, intelligent, and
well-reasoned humans. If you were to do the same to a group of my
son's high-school friends, they would likely welcome you due to your
articulate manner. They are immature and would overlook your social
ineptness. We do not. Upon being told politely that a person has
committed a social faux pas, there are several reactions. One is to
politely back out, another is to insist that you should have been
welcomed regardless of the inappropriateness of your initial attempt.
Most people won't insist on staying where they have been made to feel
unwelcome. Except in newsgroups. I find this a fascinating aspect
of the internet.
In your case, would like to see you stick around. You are intelligent,
witty, and articulate. If you are willing to deal with us as we are,
you'll find this group of people to be quite fun. This might require
the acquisition of some manners and patience on your part, but we
are worth it.
Laura
-------------------
Laura Cook
Baltimore, MD
(remove the BC to email me)
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catherine yronwode
W. MacPherson! wrote:
> (Of importance to note is that Yronwode's 15 minutes of Net fame
> came as a wrong-headed harridan who used the press to kill a
> mail-to-news gateway in Texas a few years ago.
Look, i know you are a troll, but let's get down to cases here. The guy
was operating a phoney "public" gateway on a University of Texas server,
accessible from some domains and not from others. I bitched about it,
but never to "the press," only in usenet. He had several choices. He
could have defended his discriminatory use of public resources. He could
have made the gateway available to all. He could have ignored me. What
he chose was to pull the plug on his pseudo-gateway. His decision. His
responsibility.
catherine yronwode
ssch...@accesscomm.net
In article <199804190333...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
thepl...@aol.com (Theplotter) wrote:
>
> Listen, baby. You don't like it here, make your own group. We don't
care.
> Just take it outside. I am sick of all this fighting, and am about to turn
> into Rodney King, okay?
>
officers names were--I can't remember) and turn "Walt" into Rodney King?
Because, unlike the real Rodney King case, I got no problem with that.
Kristin
RHC
ValleVista
>W. MacPherson!
Dear Mister MacPherson!
The presumption that you can appear on a newsgroup that has been going for
years, read a couple of posts and then troll into here with this silliness is
just well plain goofy. You are not clever nor do you have anything of interest
to contribute to this ng.
I was attracted to H:LOTS because of the quality and hilarity factor of the
posts. It really is too bad that there is a percentage of people on the planet
who are this socially inept. It is sad to see someone who really wants to
belong but looks to get attention by attacking those who appear to be the most
popular or powerful.
I am sure there is a place for you on the Internet. Hey maybe you could start
a newgroup for the intellectually and socially challenged? We would make a
deal with you if you did. We won't write interesting and funny things that
would distract you from the purpose of your ng if you will stop writing to
ours.
Just because it's a public forum don't mean there are no standards.
Really Mr. Mac the grass IS greener on the other side and we would encourage
you to go there.
Michaele Riot Chick Suzy Creamcheese, whose motto of the week is "never make a
good impression on those whom you would like to avoid".
W. MacPherson!
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:17:45 -0600, uk...@earthlink.net wrote:
>You already hit rock bottom when you pulled out the El Salvadorean
>death squad comparison, which is just the Nazi accusation tarted up
>in a tutu.
I wasn't trying to compare anyone to death squads. I was expressing
my disappointment that the person who inspired my initial message,
David Manning, had so quickly become a tool of The Man. Like the
pro-choicers who saw "Jane Roe" undergo a swimming pool baptism
at the hands of Operation Rescue's Flip Benham, I was crestfallen.
My poster child had been adopted by another family.
W. MacPherson!
W. MacPherson!
For someone who has no responsibility in the matter, you sure were
falling all over yourself to apologize after you did it. Here's a
direct quote via the magic of Dejanews:
cyro...@aol.com (Cyronwode) writes:
>i also feel terrible over what has happened, not only because
>Fletcher shut the gateway down but because i am ashamed that after
>years of struggling with my hot temper, i still did not recognize
>that i was out of control. Please don't think that i in any way
>believe that my handling of the situation was okay. It was wrong
>from start to finish.
I'd have to agree with the Ghost of Yronwode Past on this one.
What you did was wrong from start to finish. The Internet owes a lot
of its growth to volunteers running services on public sites, just
as Fletcher Mattox was running his mail-to-news gateway on a
University of Texas machine for 10 years before you slouched into
Bethlehem.
Mattox stopped offering relaying to AOL users because of the amount
of spam that was being sent through the gateway originating from
disposable accounts on AOL. Your response as the victim of "textual
discrimination" was to threaten to take the matter to the Austin
Chronicle and to his employer. Mattox immediately followed with a
decision to close up shop.
You used the threat of press exposure to exact a personal agenda
because you lost your temper. Now that you deny even a lepton of
responsibility in the matter, I don't feel as guilty about snidely
comparing you to America's most beloved spouse killer.
W. MacPherson!
P.s. I loved Eclipse Comics and "Fit to Print!" I'm a big fan.
W. MacPherson!
>Upon being told politely that a person has committed a social faux
>pas, there are several reactions. One is to politely back out,
>another is to insist that you should have been welcomed regardless
>of the inappropriateness of your initial attempt.
There's nothing more deflating than a polite response. I appreciate
your sentiments, but the reason I posted anything at all was that
alt.tv.homicide isn't a social group. It's an antisocial group. Dave
Locke isn't the only longtimer who prides himself on being rude to
new participants. It's so ingrained in the culture here that you
celebrate it, much like the exclusionary cliques that make high
school an argument for pumping quinacrine into the public water
system.
I make no claims to being anything other than a bottle-fed
retromingent small-minded cretin with hostility issues whose
behavior is largely an effort to overcompensate for an undersized
penis. However, unlike Dave, I don't get my jollies by driving off
newcomers whose enthusiasm surpasses their knowledge of Usenet
tradition, spelling, grammar, or terminology.
I appreciate the invitation to stay, but I didn't post the first
message expecting a welcome. If I wanted to be greeted with open
arms, I'd beat to death the next person who shows up from AOL
and calls this place a "board" instead of a "distributed
stream-based discussion group in which messages are exchanged
using Network News Transfer Protocol."
W. MacPherson!
ukrm
The accusations hurled carelessly about in this newsgroup recently would
lead one to believe all posts are handed back the next day with corrections
in red ink and a grade in the upper right corner. I can testify from
personal experience this is not true. In my second post to a.t.h., I
ridiculously misquoted Freud in a way which practically begged serious
razzing. Instead, everyone here politely turned away and giggled
discreetly, letting me forge ahead unmolested.
Kim has already recapped the origins of the current melee so:
> - David Manning throws out the first pitch by posting an interesting and
> well thought out (IMO) commentary on the show. He closed it with:
> > Has anyone else noticed that
> > the shoes (black nikes) that Gee wore in "Nothing Personal" appear to
be the
> > same shoes worn by the shooter in "The City that Bleeds". Interesting
> > considence.
>
> - Carrie Pruett steps up to the plate:
> > Damn, you've solved the mystery! Gee shot Beau,
> > Kay and Stan and then killed Pratt to cover it up!
>
> - David, by his own admission, overreacted and got snarky. He tried to
> bean the batter:
> > You're in college, you should know what a considence is.
>
> - Dave, as usual, beat everyone else to the punch and smacks one out of
> the park by asking what a "considence" is. (Smart-assness begets
> smart-assness 'round here, bunk).
Thank you, Kim. I hope all have noted that no jibes about spelling were
rendered until David, by his own admission, got snarky. I will now
continue this recap from my own point of view, as I was one of the major
players in what followed:
- David, frustrated, plods gamely on and posts a correction to his spelling
of "coincidence". Unfortunately for him, there was a misspelling in his
correction.
- I gently tease David about his new misspelling.
- David, now frustrated beyond his endurance, loses his temper. Minor
snarkage is exchanged between us.
- David and I go to e-mail, kiss and make up, and now play together nicely
as good little girls and boys should.
This minor squabble caught the attention of certain ego-dysfunctional
individuals who misunderstood it as either 1) an appeal by the weak and
helpless for assistance, or 2) a call for those perceiving themselves as
downtrodden to join a glorious crusade to liberate a.t.h. from it's evil,
fascist masters. In the best tradition of Jerry Springer, other audience
members took this opportunity to join in with a multitude of uninventive
"Hey, I think you're mean, too!" posts.
In reality, the "superheroes" are standing in their underwear with a
bedsheet hanging off their shoulders and the "glorious crusaders" are
defeating nothing but everyone's goodwill in their search for the
unconditional love they never got from mommy and daddy.
I confess I am amazed to think that anyone's feelings could possibly be so
tender that they are unable to tolerate a little humorous correction. I
have never yet seen a post where someone, for example, calls this newsgroup
a board and is told "Hey, you dumb f******d! This is a g*******d
newsgroup! What's the matter with you, are you stupid or something!? %^
*&^* #$@^$!!!!" (Note: the proper response to a gentle correction is
"Thank you. I'll remember that in the future." and not "Geeeeez, don't
correct me, it hurts my feeeeelings!")
Are nits picked here? Yes, but the truth of the matter is that anyone with
common sense and a half-way decent sense of humor will do just fine posting
to a.t.h. (even if they like Falsone or Ballard). One must, however, be
prepared to take it if one wishes to dish it out.
Sorry if that sounds mean.
Shelshka, RC Borgia
And that's my 0.11 cents.
Dave Locke
W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
> However, unlike Dave, I don't get my jollies by driving off newcomers
> whose enthusiasm surpasses their knowledge of Usenet tradition
I don't give a shit about Usenet tradition, Walt, and know little
about it. For those with "Dig Me!" social skills, however, it's nice
to have Getting Along With People 101 codified in Netiquette so we can
point them to it. Which we don't do unless there's a wild shot it
would benefit them.
> I make no claims to being anything other than a bottle-fed
> retromingent small-minded cretin with hostility issues whose
> behavior is largely an effort to overcompensate for an undersized
> penis.
Start here: <http://www.mindspring.com/~cipher/ciphernnqhome.html>...
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"I ain't here to make life a la carte for you." -- Meldrick Lewis
Dave Locke
Shelshka cast forth electrons:
> Are nits picked here? Yes, but the truth of the matter is that anyone
> with common sense and a half-way decent sense of humor will do
> just fine posting to a.t.h. (even if they like Falsone or Ballard). One
> must, however, be prepared to take it if one wishes to dish it out.
And, kids, there it is in a neatly wrapped nutshell. If there's only
one thing you can take away from this "Invasion Of The Living
Trolls" thread, this nutshell is the most valuable.
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"You be fucking idiot. Go way now." -- Chris Pierson, a.t.h
pspig...@tmjb.com
>
> Perhaps I'm directing more of this towards you than I should, but
> with most other people, the rude behavior seems like an occasional
> lapse in judgment. With you, it's a lifestyle choice.
>
> W. MacPherson!
>
>
Right on W. MacPherson!!! Another newbie. You're doing pretty good with
regulars and watching them flail about is a lot more interesting than their
posts about the show, which is usually pretty dull stuff. If us "Trolls" or
"Newbies" are so "tiresome" (ho hum -- not ANOTHER one), why not just ignore
the posts. The two busiest recent threads seem to have been Big Spoiler and
this one. I think all the regs are bored with Homicide, bored with each other
and bored with their own newsgroup. So keep it up. It's nice to see. Trolls
Unite!!!
pspiglanin
Astra1995
>From: pspig...@tmjb.com
>Right on W. MacPherson!!! Another newbie. You're doing pretty good with
>regulars and watching them flail about is a lot more interesting than their
>posts about the show, which is usually pretty dull stuff. If us "Trolls" or
>"Newbies" are so "tiresome" (ho hum -- not ANOTHER one), why not just ignore
>the posts. The two busiest recent threads seem to have been Big Spoiler and
>this one. I think all the regs are bored with Homicide, bored with each
>other
>and bored with their own newsgroup. So keep it up. It's nice to see.
>Trolls
>Unite!!!
>
>pspiglanin
>
>
Ahhh, they're congregating!! RC's, fire up the wagon!
Astra* RC Hullabaloo
DBDR
Dave Locke
pspig...@tmjb.com cast forth electrons:
W. MacPherson! wrote:
> > Perhaps I'm directing more of this towards you than I should, but
> > with most other people, the rude behavior seems like an occasional
> > lapse in judgment. With you, it's a lifestyle choice.
>
> Right on W. MacPherson!!! Another newbie. You're doing pretty good with
> regulars and watching them flail about is a lot more interesting than their
> posts about the show, which is usually pretty dull stuff. If us "Trolls" or
> "Newbies" are so "tiresome" (ho hum -- not ANOTHER one), why not just
> ignore the posts. The two busiest recent threads seem to have been Big
> Spoiler and this one. I think all the regs are bored with Homicide, bored
> with each other and bored with their own newsgroup. So keep it up. It's
> nice to see. Trolls Unite!!!
Nah, that wouldn't work. As soon as you united you'd get trolls
coming in and calling you a clique, bothering you with posts about
some show called H:LotS, claiming you all walked in lockstep, and
saying you "flail about" when you tell them to sod off.
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go
away". -- Philip K. Dick
Simon
In article <3546e285...@news.pipeline.com>,
linkm...@homicidefans.org (Dave Locke) wrote:
> Shelshka cast forth electrons:
>
> > Are nits picked here? Yes, but the truth of the matter is that anyone
> > with common sense and a half-way decent sense of humor will do
> > just fine posting to a.t.h. (even if they like Falsone or Ballard). One
> > must, however, be prepared to take it if one wishes to dish it out.
>
> And, kids, there it is in a neatly wrapped nutshell. If there's only
> one thing you can take away from this "Invasion Of The Living
> Trolls" thread, this nutshell is the most valuable.
In all honesty, the snarkiness here is surpassed by the long running Al
Wars on alt.tv.x-files. Our venerated Lord o' the Links is a kindly,
avuncular figure in comparison...
>
> --
> Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
> "You be fucking idiot. Go way now." -- Chris Pierson, a.t.h
Simon
RCMP
Architect-of-Evol
--
Simon..
"Suspicion Breeds Confidence"
--Brazil
David Manning
W. MacPherson! wrote in message
>I wasn't trying to compare anyone to death squads. I was expressing
>my disappointment that the person who inspired my initial message,
>David Manning, had so quickly become a tool of The Man. Like the
>pro-choicers who saw "Jane Roe" undergo a swimming pool baptism
>at the hands of Operation Rescue's Flip Benham, I was crestfallen.
>My poster child had been adopted by another family.
>
>W. MacPherson!
>
For the record, I'm no one's poster boy.
For the record, I'm not a Facist or anything like that. Merely a human
being.
For the record, I should have sent posting that via email. That inital
posting was an overreaction amid fustrations. Hatchets were buried after
that, and behing the scenes I might add. I saw their point, they saw mine
and everything's seemingly fine.
And Mr. MacPhearson, I see your point. I was reading through 'Get in the
Van' by Rollins last night. Something stuck me in there thats appropriate:
"People are gonna do what they're gonna do" There's no way to change that.
There are manny elemets of human and sociatial behavior that I think need
changing, but, since I dont have the power to create the change, all the
yelling in the world is just going to waste my breath. The only way to get
in power these days is to become rich. I've lived outside of DC most of my
life and there are only 2 things that seem to bring about change: sex or
money. (The occasional death or two as well).
So, What I'm trying to say is that you're not going to be able to change
people. Not if they feel as if they've been offended or insulted. Thats
only going to create retaliation and end up with a fine mess like we have.
-d
--
"Please don't be an idiot.
Thank You."
-Pembleton, Homicide
Bruce Mills
In article <353cc9a5...@enews.newsguy.com>,
W. MacPherson! <wmacp...@geocities.com> wrote:
:>There's nothing more deflating than a polite response. I appreciate
:>your sentiments, but the reason I posted anything at all was that
:>alt.tv.homicide isn't a social group. It's an antisocial group. Dave
:>Locke isn't the only longtimer who prides himself on being rude to
:>new participants. It's so ingrained in the culture here that you
:>celebrate it, much like the exclusionary cliques that make high
:>school an argument for pumping quinacrine into the public water
:>system.
I'm a relative newcomer to this "board", and no one flamed me when I first
started posting - not even Dave. Maybe that's because I engaged my brain
before I put my fingers in gear.
Now that I think about it, I feel decidedly deprived (*sniff*); I feel
that I've missed out on an important rite of passage (*snort*); as a
newcomer, I demand my right to be flamed! Dave? Anybody? Please?
Bruce
Dave Locke
Bruce Mills cast forth electrons:
> I'm a relative newcomer to this "board", and no one flamed me when I first
> started posting - not even Dave. Maybe that's because I engaged my brain
> before I put my fingers in gear.
Bingo. Radical freaking notion.
> Now that I think about it, I feel decidedly deprived (*sniff*); I feel
> that I've missed out on an important rite of passage (*snort*); as a
> newcomer, I demand my right to be flamed! Dave? Anybody? Please?
Quit whinging. Goddammit, shape up, Bruce. Okay, carry on.
--
Dave Locke | linkm...@homicidefans.org
Homicide: Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"We only do links." Start here for references to all matters H:LotS.
Bruce Mills
>- Homicide75 steps up to the plate and drools on it, prompting various
>people to take swings.
Geeze, Kim, ya gotta be careful with this kinda stuff! I think you owe me
a new keyboard...
Bruce
Theplotter
RC Kristin says:
<<> Just take it outside. I am sick of all this fighting, and am about to turn
> into Rodney King, okay?
>
Don't you mean you're about to turn into Stacey Koons (or whatever those
officers names were--I can't remember) and turn "Walt" into Rodney King?
Because, unlike the real Rodney King case, I got no problem with that>>
I'm from Michigan. I'd have to play Walter Budzyn or the main guy, whose
name escapes me. Pass the flashlights.
Naw, I'm just sick of all the goddam trolls. Had my own personal hell week
and am too tired to deal with this crap. May they all rot in infamy, these
troll-things.
Love,
Plotter
W. MacPherson!
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 05:26:55 GMT, linkm...@homicidefans.org (Dave
Locke) wrote:
>W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
>> However, unlike Dave, I don't get my jollies by driving off
>>newcomers whose enthusiasm surpasses their knowledge of Usenet
>>tradition
>I don't give a shit about Usenet tradition, Walt, and know little
>about it.
If you had actually read the rest of the sentence before engaging
your reply reflex, you would have seen that it ends with "Usenet
tradition, spelling, grammar, or terminology." You might not care
about tradition, but you're all too happy to open up a new orifice
on anyone who makes a spelling, grammar, or terminology mistake.
By the way, I just found out that one of the people you sorority
members has been roughing up is a girl in the eighth grade. She's
bright, a fan of Homicide, and definitely has something to offer the
newsgroup.
Don't let that stand in your way, though, Dave. She's not part of
your crowd, so by definition, there's no way she could offer
anything of value to Alpha Tau Eta.
Let me know when Rush Week rolls around again. I'm thinking about
pledging, and to get myself in the right frame of mind, I'm going to
sneak into the nearest middle school and defenestrate one of the
underclassmen.
W. MacPherson!
Jodee Rubins
Bruce Mills wrote:
>
> I'm a relative newcomer to this "board",
No fair deliberately baiting Dave like this.
Jodee
Riot Chiquita
Dave Locke
W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
> linkm...@homicidefans.org (Dave Locke) wrote:
> >W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
> >> However, unlike Dave, I don't get my jollies by driving off
> >>newcomers whose enthusiasm surpasses their knowledge of Usenet
> >>tradition
>
> >I don't give a shit about Usenet tradition, Walt, and know little
> >about it. For those with "Dig Me!" social skills, however, it's nice
> >to have Getting Along With People 101 codified in Netiquette so we can
> >point them to it. Which we don't do unless there's a wild shot it
> >would benefit them.
>
> If you had actually read the rest of the sentence before engaging
> your reply reflex, you would have seen that it ends with "Usenet
> tradition, spelling, grammar, or terminology." You might not care
> about tradition, but you're all too happy to open up a new orifice
> on anyone who makes a spelling, grammar, or terminology mistake.
I read it, you wanker. And showed your first example to be a load of
bollocks. As are the rest of them, and pardon me for not spending the
time to destroy every straw man and red herring you toss up for target
practice.
> By the way, I just found out that one of the people you sorority
> members has been roughing up is a girl in the eighth grade. She's
> bright, a fan of Homicide, and definitely has something to offer the
> newsgroup.
Give me a freaking break. No one has roughed anyone except annoying
trolls like you. You "found out" nothing, except that you think you
can make up this shit as you go along. Unless you're the 8th grade
girl, in which case you've offered the group nothing about Homicide
nor anything else they're interested in, and it's past time your
parents found out what you're up to with your shiny new toy.
> Don't let that stand in your way, though, Dave. She's not part of
> your crowd, so by definition, there's no way she could offer
> anything of value to Alpha Tau Eta.
What's this Alpha Tau Eta mantra of yours, Walt? Someone decide your
geek butt was too ugly for the fraternity or the sorority? It's too
ugly in here, also.
> Let me know when Rush Week rolls around again. I'm thinking about
> pledging, and to get myself in the right frame of mind, I'm going to
> sneak into the nearest middle school and defenestrate one of the
> underclassmen.
If you ever found yourself in the right frame of mind, you'd stop
trolling newsgroups with this appalling twaddle.
John K.
I'm guessing on this one Dave, but ...
300 pounds?
350?
400?
-- John Kiernan
Dave Locke wrote in message <3557a393...@news.pipeline.com>...
>W. MacPherson! drooled into his keyboard again:
>
>But I won't bother quoting it.
>
>Skydiving in here to do nothing more than attempting to spread your
>hate and discontent may be a fun time for you, but you're wearing thin
>as a pickup game of Dropkick The Troll.
>
>Walt, If I get close enough to your posts, I can hear the ocean.
>
>You're a load of bollocks. Sod off.
>
>--
>Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
> "What is the world coming to when we ignore the opportunities to
>remove idiots from our surroundings?" -- Dan Sorenson
Bruce Mills
And now the mating ritual begins.
Bruce
Rose Marie Holt
In article <353ab9cb...@enews.newsguy.com>, wmacp...@geocities.com
wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:41:37 -0800, catherine yronwode
> <c...@luckymojo.com> wrote:
> >W. MacPherson! wrote:
> >> (Of importance to note is that Yronwode's 15 minutes of Net fame
> >> ...
> >Look, i know you are a troll...
>
> cyro...@aol.com (Cyronwode) writes:
> >i also feel....
>
> I'd have to agree with the Ghost of Yronwode Past on this one...
It is proper Usenet etiquette to preface posts such as this with "ObTan"
(assuming it does not refer to Homicide) or, if it refers to a future
episode, eg the death of the Net, to preface it with spoiler space.
ukrm
pspig...@tmjb.com wrote in article <6hg00r$g9s$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> Right on W. MacPherson!!! Another newbie. You're doing pretty good with
> regulars and watching them flail about is a lot more interesting than
their
> posts about the show, which is usually pretty dull stuff. If us "Trolls"
or
> "Newbies" are so "tiresome" (ho hum -- not ANOTHER one), why not just
ignore
> the posts. The two busiest recent threads seem to have been Big Spoiler
and
> this one. I think all the regs are bored with Homicide, bored with each
other
> and bored with their own newsgroup. So keep it up. It's nice to see.
Trolls
> Unite!!!
I find myself surprised that someone with your obvious sense would spout
these sentiments. You show by your posts that you have no need to resort
to these tactics to get attention here. No one considers "newbies"
tiresome when they show some brains and wit, which you apparently have.
Everybody does, however, find trolls tiresome because childish antics bore
and irritate here just as they do in real life. Do you really find spoiled
brats thrashing on the floor, kicking their feet and screaming when Mommy
won't buy them a candy bar at the grocery store, cute or charming? That is
exactly the mentality behind the trolling experienced here lately. Nor can
I believe that you would think it cute or charming, in a public place, to
be so ill-mannered as to walk up to perfect strangers and deliberately
insult them just to get your kicks.
You're mistaken in your belief that the regulars here are bored with each
other and with the newsgroup. No, we are not enjoying the current
asininity. Why don't we ignore the posts? For two reasons: number one,
eventually you want to smack the brat who keeps kicking you on the leg, and
two, because this behavior is NOT OKAY.
Trolls are not cute, trolls are not funny. Trolls are aggravating and
pathetic. You seem to needlessly cast yourself in some outsider role, or
perhaps you feel the only role you can have is that of troll. It's not.
Shelshka, RCB
ukrm
W. MacPherson! <wmacp...@geocities.com> wrote in article
<353db733...@enews.newsguy.com>...
> By the way, I just found out that one of the people you sorority
> members has been roughing up is a girl in the eighth grade. She's
> bright, a fan of Homicide, and definitely has something to offer the
> newsgroup
I ask that you make this accusation clearly and plainly. To whom do you
refer and in what way has she been roughed up? Are you claiming that she
was attacked for a spelling or grammar error, or an error in netiquette?
Are you claiming that she asked a common-knowledge question and was yelled
at for it? Or is it that she came in here snarky and got snarked back at?
If there is a real problem here perhaps it should be addressed, but I also
believe children must suffer the consequences of their actions to learn
life's lessons. The way you have written this post comes off as pure
propaganda - "Look, those meanies in that newsgroup pick on little kids!"
If she posts in this newsgroup, she will be treated the same as anyone
else, meaning that if she does have something to offer it will be received.
She wouldn't be the only fourteen-year-old who posts here. If she comes
here expecting to be the little princess, then perhaps this isn't the place
for her, just as a fourteen-year-old shouldn't be at the bar on a Saturday
night. Surely you aren't expecting that we have a way to card people at
the door? Nor have I noticed any typeface that indicates "CAUTION -
Sensitive child posting!".
Shelshka, RCB
Todd
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:18:20 -0600, pspig...@tmjb.com thus spake:
>Right on W. MacPherson!!! Another newbie. You're doing pretty good with
>regulars and watching them flail about is a lot more interesting than their
>posts about the show, which is usually pretty dull stuff. If us "Trolls" or
>"Newbies" are so "tiresome" (ho hum -- not ANOTHER one), why not just ignore
>the posts. The two busiest recent threads seem to have been Big Spoiler and
>this one. I think all the regs are bored with Homicide, bored with each other
>and bored with their own newsgroup. So keep it up. It's nice to see. Trolls
>Unite!!!
>
>pspiglanin
If we could get pigpen to keep his mouth glued to MacFuck's cakehole,
we could take them both out with one shot. Somebody pass me the
wadcutters.
Todd
Todd
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:11:55 -0700, "John K."
<kiernan...@earthlink.net> thus spake:
>I'm guessing on this one Dave, but ...
>
>300 pounds?
>
>350?
>
>400?
>
>-- John Kiernan
Johnny, before you get into a verbal joust, make sure you visit the
armory. Fat jokes are the last refuge of the witless.
Todd
W. MacPherson!
On 21 Apr 1998 02:17:12 GMT, "ukrm" <uk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Surely you aren't expecting that we have a way to card people at
>the door? Nor have I noticed any typeface that indicates "CAUTION -
>Sensitive child posting!".
I'm impressed that you have any concern at all about driving someone
off. I'll leave it to the person involved to jump into this thread
if she wants to. You wouldn't have to worry about these things if
the Dave Lockes of this group were not hellbent on attacking new
arrivals like sharks on chum.
Dave has his 400-message-a-day quota to hit, and it doesn't leave
him any time for introspection. I'll grant him that. The rest of
you should be able to question whether you're really being fair to
the new people who show up here without a chip on their shoulder.
(Note: I would not include myself in that group.)
My reading of the group is that there are at least 10-12 people who
look for the slightest provocation to play a game of "shred the
newbie." Where's the sport in that? It reminds me of the canned
hunts where a group of fat-ass rednecks with semi-automatic rifles
pays a couple thousand bucks to hunt an old declawed bear that
used to be a mascot at somebody's school. You'd have to be a truly
squalid little person to take pleasure from something like that,
and the same holds true for the hunting practices of Alpha Tau
Eta (Editor's Note for the Benefit of Dave: That's "ATH" in
Greek letters).
W. MacPherson!
Bruce Mills
In article <353c0b67...@news.mindspring.com>,
Todd <t-w...@writeme.com> wrote:
>If we could get pigpen to keep his mouth glued to MacFuck's cakehole,
>we could take them both out with one shot. Somebody pass me the
>wadcutters.
Here ya go - and they be funk-eee!
Bruce
"Gun control is aiming with two hands"
Dave Locke
W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
> You wouldn't have to worry about these things if the Dave Lockes
> of this group were not hellbent on attacking new arrivals like sharks
> on chum.
Well, since that isn't the color of our blue sky and no one here
except new trolls seems inclined to buy into the lie, it's time to
wipe the foam off your lips and trot you back to your soundproofed,
padded cell. Someone take that keyboard from him and let him have his
Etch-A-Sketch back.
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"Others have received my frank opinion of their work. Sorry if it
felt like all you received was my frank." -- Andy Banta
uk...@earthlink.net
In article <353e6782...@enews.newsguy.com>#1/1,
wmacp...@geocities.com wrote:
>The rest of
> you should be able to question whether you're really being fair to
> the new people who show up here without a chip on their shoulder.
I have never seen any new people who came here with a sincere, open attitude
be driven away. They might meet with the same teasing as the rest of us,
sure. Perhaps it would be easier if everyone did use emoticons, but many
don't like them and it's not likely to become a trend. What I have seen is
people come here with the expectation that they'll be the center of attention
with their brilliance, and then get sulky when everyone else is unimpressed.
It's a meritocracy here. Everyone is judged by what they bring. As age,
weight, sex, looks, race, and economic status are not visible on the computer
screen, they are not given the automatic deference or protection they might
in real life. Some people may have difficulty with this, if they depend on
these rather than their abilities to get by.
And yes, I do prefer that someone who pops in with an adolescent
attention-seeking attitude (even if they are literally adolescents) be booted
back out. Chips on shoulders may be knocked off, just as they are in the
real world. I feel sorry for no one who comes in flailing wildly and gets
decked.
Shelshka, RCB
pspig...@tmjb.com
> Nah, that wouldn't work. As soon as you united you'd get trolls
> coming in and calling you a clique, bothering you with posts about
> some show called H:LotS, claiming you all walked in lockstep, and
> saying you "flail about" when you tell them to sod off.
>
You got to admit DAVE, W. MacPherson does write well and I haven't seen him
making any spelling errors lately -- doesn't he get brownie points for that?
Maybe he just enjoys attacking the Alpha Dog. And OK here's a stupid question
you can get annoyed at me for asking, what does "RC" stand for?
pspiglanin
troll
Carolyn Marie
And the Net came alive with a thousand voices fighting to be heard, and one
of them named Bruce Mills connected to me:
> I'm a relative newcomer to this "board", and no one flamed me when I first
> started posting - not even Dave. Maybe that's because I engaged my brain
> before I put my fingers in gear.
>
> Now that I think about it, I feel decidedly deprived (*sniff*); I feel
> that I've missed out on an important rite of passage (*snort*); as a
> newcomer, I demand my right to be flamed! Dave? Anybody? Please?
>
They did worse than flame me when I first arrived.
They confused me. I've been insulted (hey, Mother Teresa could get flamed
on Usenet) but never so skillfully skewered with such rapier wits and pithy
remarks. I had no idea how to respond.
I landed back on Middle Earth with a thud, my piggish eyes peering upwards,
my hairy toes curling and uncurling as I thought, absentmindedly munching on
roasted billy goat. I lurked again until I felt that I knew what I was
doing.
Then I tried again with a different attitude--ie hardly any attitude--and
lo, things got better.
You, Bruce, seem to have skipped right to the last step, so that's why
they're not flaming you.
But, even though I'm a relative newbie too, I'll try.
"Wasn't 'Mills' that Congressman who got caught with that stripper and had
to resign?!"
Not that great, I know.
Carolyn
"[T]he loss of the Titanic is one of the last subjects that one would expect
for a musical, ranking perhaps slightly after "Ben-Hur" and slightly before
"The Charge of the Light Brigade."
- Clive Barnes in The New York Post reviewing the musical "Titanic"
David Manning
Okay this has gone on quite long enough. All parties involved, take a deep
breath or two. (Since I accidently started this, I'm gonna try and stop
it.)
Okay, now ask yourself, "Why am I wasting my time replying to (whoever)?"
Dave- This guy just doesn't like you. You can't change that about him.
Walt-The way you are posting is not going to get people to change what you
think is the errors of their ways. You cant change people like that.
Dave isnt about to change, Walt isnt about to change. This has turned into a
Mexican Standoff, and I dont think either side is going to win.
Okay, now at the sound of the bell, come out swinging if you still think
it's worth the effort.
-d
--
"Please don't be an idiot.
Thank You."
-Pembleton, Homicide
uk...@earthlink.net wrote in message <6hilgj$537$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
David Manning
pspiglanin wrote...
>And OK here's a stupid question
>you can get annoyed at me for asking, what does "RC" stand for?
>pspiglanin
>troll
I'll field this one. The RC's are a collection of women who call themselves
'Riot Chicks' (This has nothing to do with the riot grrl movement of the
late 80s early 90s)
For more info on who they are and how they started this check out....
www.mindspring.com/~choichi/rcevol.htm
And stop degrading youre damm self by referring to yourself as a troll!
ukrm
pspig...@tmjb.com wrote in article <6hineb$7k7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> You got to admit DAVE, W. MacPherson does write well and I haven't seen
him
> making any spelling errors lately -- doesn't he get brownie points for
that?
> Maybe he just enjoys attacking the Alpha Dog. And OK here's a stupid
question
> you can get annoyed at me for asking, what does "RC" stand for?
Good spelling is no excuse for bad manners. While W. MacPherson does write
very well (and I wish so much would write some more topical posts like the
one on slash), what's been written is needlessly malicious and is widely
believed to have a more hidden agenda. Always question someone who attacks
under a pseudonym. This is a person who is obviously very familiar with
the net, and yet if you go to the author profile you will only find posts
to a.t.h. It reeks mightily of rotting haddock.
Why would you assume it's a stupid question? There goes your defensiveness
again, kid. "RC" stands for Riot Chick. And quit calling yourself a
troll.
Shelshka, RC Borgia
uk...@earthlink.net
In article <353bbea1...@enews.newsguy.com>#1/1,
wmacp...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:17:45 -0600, uk...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >You already hit rock bottom when you pulled out the El Salvadorean
> >death squad comparison, which is just the Nazi accusation tarted up
> >in a tutu.
>
> I wasn't trying to compare anyone to death squads.
Let us examine the original message:
>>In El Salvador, when the death squads press someone into service, the
standard operating procedure is to make the new member commit the
next atrocity. This way, the new guy becomes complicit in their
crimes and is less likely to retain the moral backbone that only gets
in the way of good team building.<<
This remark, directed at David Manning, is a direct comparison of
alt.tv.homicide to the El Salvadorean death squads and David to the new guy
who, by not agreeing with you, has become complicit in our "crimes" and lost
his moral backbone.
>>I was expressing my disappointment that the person who inspired my initial message, David Manning, had so quickly become a tool of The Man. Like the pro-choicers who saw "Jane Roe" undergo a swimming pool baptism at the hands of Operation Rescue's Flip Benham, I was crestfallen. My poster child had been adopted by another family.<<
Are you at all aware of how incredibly condescending this is?! It smacks of
nothing so much as the type of 1960s liberal who involved themselves in the
civil rights movement because they believed, deep down in their hearts, that
the poor little negroes didn't have enough gumption or intelligence to help
themselves, and whose true motivation was merely to proclaim to the world how
marvelously altruistic they were. I'm sure it was indeed a disappointment to
find out David was a big, strong boy and well able to take care of himself.
That must be why you felt compelled to insult him in a sour-grapes manner
thus:
>>"Make fun of my spelling, call me a dumbass, ignore my opinion, and
I'll follow you anywhere." -- David Manning<<
David responded to you in a good-humored way and in no way deserved this
nastiness. This is exactly the sort of thing you claim to decry in others.
Did you bother to find out David's age and circumstances first?
I assume your fourteen-year-old girl, if she exists, is to be your new poster
child. She's weaker, and won't disavow you the way David did. If it's who I
suspect, you've done her no favors in encouraging her silliness, and it was
cruel of you to use her to further your own ends.
You claim to post here in defense of the weak and innocent, but your
hypocrisy proves that not to be the case. What is your true motive? Trouble
for trouble's sake?
Until you can discourse honestly, there's no further point to this.
Dave Locke
pspig...@tmjb.com cast forth electrons:
> You got to admit DAVE, W. MacPherson does write well ... Maybe he
> just enjoys attacking the Alpha Dog.
Maybe, if he views newsgroup interaction as a wolf pack.
Here's an aphorism that works for normal-enough folks: if you don't
like the people, you won't like the newsgroup. The subject alone
isn't going to hold your interest.
Since Spring of '96 I've enjoyed the company of many fine people in
here. The '95/'96 group of regulars left en masse in early '97 when
a.t.h became overrun by troglodytes. Some of us still post, but we
have our own mailing list. The newsgroup was relatively fallow for
some time until it evolved into what it is today (minus the current
troll invasion), which is altogether different but again offers the
company of many fine people.
I enjoy the newsgroup, the mailing lists, the email corro, and yakking
on ICQ with these people. Following an age-old tradition on this
newsgroup which has carried forward across all incarnations, off-topic
subjects are commonplace. This is because we're a community and not a
bulletin board; because, while H:LotS is the core interest which drew
us and we like to talk about it, in a conversational gathering of
people who've gotten to know a bit about each other a one-note theme
would be rather mind-deadening.
All of which leads 'round to saying that the "alpha dog" mindset comes
across as Martian in here. Yes, there are newsgroups where that plays
better. There are also social gatherings where that plays better. In
neither case, however, does that play well on my monitor or in my
living room.
We'll get you ejukated yet...
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"The best that we can do is to be kindly and helpful toward our
friends and fellow passengers who are clinging to the same speck of
dirt while we are drifting side by side to our common doom."
-- Clarence Darrow
Vampyres Incorporeal
d said:
>And stop degrading youre damm self by referring to yourself as a
troll!
and
Shelshka, RC Borgia said:
>Why would you assume it's a stupid question? There goes your defensiveness
>again, kid. "RC" stands for Riot Chick. And quit calling yourself a
>troll.
I say if he wants to call himself a troll, let him. I'm not a little
fuzzy yellow baby hen, but I'm still proud to be a chick. Peep peep
peep!
Poly "Okay, so I'm fuzzy." RC
v...@netdirect.net
Dave Locke
Poly "Okay, so I'm fuzzy." RC cast forth electrons:
> d said:
> >And stop degrading youre damm self by referring to yourself as a
> troll!
>
> and
> Shelshka, RC Borgia said:
> >And quit calling yourself a troll.
>
> I say if he wants to call himself a troll, let him. I'm not a little
> fuzzy yellow baby hen, but I'm still proud to be a chick. Peep peep
> peep!
Well, at this rate, we may have to send out for adoption papers and
make him our Official Troll. It's not every newsgroup that has an
official one, you know.
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"For a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the
quality of life, please press three." -- Alice Kahn
Bill Gates
David Manning wrote in message <6hipvi$g07$1...@winter.news.erols.com>...
>'Riot Chicks' (This has nothing to do with the riot grrl movement
Riot Chicks are riot grrls?? OK, now I get it.
bg
___________________________________
Age is inevitable --- Maturity is optional !!
Bill Gates <micro...@hotmail.com>
Bill Gates
The valiant and soon to be toasted
W. MacPherson! wrote in message <353e6782...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>Dave has his 400-message-a-day quota to hit, and
>there are at least 10-12 people who
>look for the slightest provocation to play a game of "shred the
>newbie."
Since I have heard that this is just twaddle and the "big guns" (the latest
term in my collection of how they refer to themselves) absolutely deny
such an attitude, I find it interesting that people keep feeling this way
and making these very similar comments.
Keep up the good fight Walt.
bg
____________________________________
uk...@earthlink.net
In article <6hj2sc$2rf$1...@news1-alterdial.uu.net>#1/1,
"Bill Gates" <macro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Riot Chicks are riot grrls?? OK, now I get it.
> bg
We ain't no grrrrl, baby - we're all woman!
Kim
Bill Gates wrote:
>
> Since I have heard that this is just twaddle and the "big guns" (the latest
> term in my collection of how they refer to themselves)
Would you be so kind as to cite a reference for that? My short term
memory is not very good, and the only time I recall seeing the term in
reference to any a.t.h.er was when Nina said to Todd:
>> I'm good for now, thanks. You and Kim and the other big guns seem to have your
>> hands full of trolls right now.
I've called myself many things, including a "smart-ass raging bitch" and
a "saucy wench," but I don't remember "big gun" being one of them. For
the record, I don't think of myself as one, either.
Kim
------
"So shut the fuck up and go away."
- Eric Dolan
j & d matthews
No, dear, you didn't read it right. Riot Chicks have *nothing* to do with
the riot grrls movement, read it again. We've developed our own style and
seem to all get along just fine, something I'm afraid the trolls would never
be able to do if tempted to "unite".
BTW, even regular-readers-but-only-occasional-posters like me can get tired
of/offended by/bored with trolls who continue to troll without remorse.
dorinda
RC DivaMom
Bill Gates wrote in message <6hj2sc$2rf$1...@news1-alterdial.uu.net>...
:
:David Manning wrote in message <6hipvi$g07$1...@winter.news.erols.com>...
:
:>'Riot Chicks' (This has nothing to do with the riot grrl movement
:
:
:Riot Chicks are riot grrls?? OK, now I get it.
:bg
:___________________________________
:Age is inevitable --- Maturity is optional !!
:Bill Gates <micro...@hotmail.com>
:
:
Bruce Mills
In article <VA.000008b...@ccrapo.sec.state.ma.us>,
Carolyn Marie <caro...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>But, even though I'm a relative newbie too, I'll try.
>
>"Wasn't 'Mills' that Congressman who got caught with that stripper and had
>to resign?!"
I wish!
>Not that great, I know.
It's the thought that counts.
Bruce
Jodee Rubins
Bill Gates wrote:
> The valiant and soon to be toasted
> W. MacPherson! wrote in message <353e6782...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>
> >Dave has his 400-message-a-day quota to hit, and
>
> >there are at least 10-12 people who
> >look for the slightest provocation to play a game of "shred the
> >newbie."
>
> Since I have heard that this is just twaddle and the "big guns" (the latest
> term in my collection of how they refer to themselves) absolutely deny
> such an attitude, I find it interesting that people keep feeling this way
> and making these very similar comments.
> Keep up the good fight Walt.
> bg
*Sigh* It's too bad Kim expended energy on her terrific post citing
numerous examples of Dave's warmhearted welcomes to newbies over the past
few months--apparently those people for whom it was intended didn't even
bother to read it; or if they read it didn't grasp its implications.
I was a newbie in here not so long ago. The only times I have ever felt
uncomfortable or bashed-about in here have been when someone pops in out
of nowhere and makes antagonistic posts.
Clearly there are some newcomers (my guess is two, at most three--those
pseudonyms aren't fooling anyone) who don't really want to participate in
a.t.h., but are only interested in fanning the flame war. For those real
newbies, please don't be put off by this temporary setback. The level of
discourse is usually at least a few degrees higher than this.
Jodee
Riot Chiquita
Ann Zewen
Jodee Rubins wrote in message ...
>I was a newbie in here not so long ago. The only times I have ever felt
>uncomfortable or bashed-about in here have been when someone pops in out
>of nowhere and makes antagonistic posts.
>
>Clearly there are some newcomers (my guess is two, at most three--those
>pseudonyms aren't fooling anyone) who don't really want to participate in
>a.t.h., but are only interested in fanning the flame war. For those real
>newbies, please don't be put off by this temporary setback. The level of
>discourse is usually at least a few degrees higher than this.
>
I'm pretty much of a newbie here myself, and I've never felt uncomfortable
or unwanted. The secret to ath, like most ngs, is to observe a while,
reading what's being posted, and offer a few of your own opinions in
response to what's being posted. You can agree or disagree with what's being
said, but it helps initially not to outright insult the other posters. You
can gently jab them with humor, sarcasm and irony, but don't attack. And
avoid name-calling. Unfortunately, some newbies don't understand the often
years-in-building cross-teasing by regulars to any ng, and they think such
teasing must inevitably consist of cruel taunts and assaults on the
intelligence, integrity and honesty of said regulars. Until they reach a
maturity level (chronological age has _nothing_ to do with it) where they
can understand the difference, they are likely to cross swords with those
more experienced than they. And in a battle of wits, they are unarmed.
To get back to the point, however, if they'll take just a little time to
read the FAQs and lurk a little while before jumping into the fray, then
they're more likely to be received with respect (an occasional good-humored
jab being the only exception). But if they jump in with mean-spirited
insults to those who have been here long enough to build their own on-line
community, then they're bound to wind up a target of the community's
wrath -- just as would any new citizen who shows up in your home town and
starts insulting your city council and demanding that things be changed to
his liking, without bothering to find out something about the history, laws
and other dynamics of the existing community.
Ann
Bill Gates
Ann Zewen wrote in message <6hkv79$upr$1...@camel18.mindspring.com>...
>The secret to ath, like most ngs, is to observe a while,
>reading what's being posted, and offer a few of your own opinions in
>response to what's being posted.
Why do you assume that anyone who starts posting has just dropped in and
started pounding the keyboard?
Is it not a possibility that someone has been reading the posts for awhile
(or 2 years), and finally decides to post something? And when someone
raises this possibility the accusations of the "usenet lie" come out.
> You can agree or disagree with what's being
>said, but it helps initially not to outright insult the other posters.
Yes, but sometimes the other posters feel grave insult where none was meant;
not completely understanding an extremely complicated set of rules and
saying something amiss does not equal insult.
>any new citizen who shows up in your home town and
>starts insulting your city council
then you disagree with them and maybe not like them, but don't burn them.
Or insulting your king or queen or Czar??
then you burn them at the stake.
bg
_______________________________
Dave Locke
Ann Zewen cast forth electrons:
> Jodee Rubins wrote in message ...
> >I was a newbie in here not so long ago. The only times I have ever felt
> >uncomfortable or bashed-about in here have been when someone pops in out
> >of nowhere and makes antagonistic posts.
> >
> >Clearly there are some newcomers (my guess is two, at most three--those
> >pseudonyms aren't fooling anyone) who don't really want to participate in
> >a.t.h., but are only interested in fanning the flame war. For those real
> >newbies, please don't be put off by this temporary setback. The level of
> >discourse is usually at least a few degrees higher than this.
>
>
> I'm pretty much of a newbie here myself, and I've never felt uncomfortable
> or unwanted. The secret to ath, like most ngs, is to observe a while,
> reading what's being posted, and offer a few of your own opinions in
> response to what's being posted. You can agree or disagree with what's being
> said, but it helps initially not to outright insult the other posters. You
> can gently jab them with humor, sarcasm and irony, but don't attack. And
> avoid name-calling. Unfortunately, some newbies don't understand the often
> years-in-building cross-teasing by regulars to any ng, and they think such
> teasing must inevitably consist of cruel taunts and assaults on the
> intelligence, integrity and honesty of said regulars. Until they reach a
> maturity level (chronological age has _nothing_ to do with it) where they
> can understand the difference, they are likely to cross swords with those
> more experienced than they. And in a battle of wits, they are unarmed.
>
> To get back to the point, however, if they'll take just a little time to
> read the FAQs and lurk a little while before jumping into the fray, then
> they're more likely to be received with respect (an occasional good-humored
> jab being the only exception). But if they jump in with mean-spirited
> insults to those who have been here long enough to build their own on-line
> community, then they're bound to wind up a target of the community's
> wrath -- just as would any new citizen who shows up in your home town and
> starts insulting your city council and demanding that things be changed to
> his liking, without bothering to find out something about the history, laws
> and other dynamics of the existing community.
I'm not snipping a word of anything here because these are all good,
valid observations which, if taken to heart, can clear many rocks off
the path which any newbie anywhere must navigate.
There's another, minimalist take on how to be a good newsgroup
neighbor if you think you're at all interested in being one (and, if
you're not, why not? Are you here because you lost a bet?).
And that take is:
[ ] Be yourself, with the following caveats
[ ] You don't yet know the people
[ ] You don't yet know the subtext they're using when
they speak to each other
[ ] You probably know less about the topic than anyone
except the newbie who came in behind you
[ ] First impressions count; if you get off on the wrong foot,
you've only one leg left to stand on
--
Dave | H:Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
The highest reward for a man's toil is not what he gets for it
but what he becomes by it. -- John Ruskin
pspig...@tmjb.com
>
> Since Spring of '96 I've enjoyed the company of many fine people in
> here. The '95/'96 group of regulars left en masse in early '97 when
> a.t.h became overrun by troglodytes. Some of us still post, but we
> have our own mailing list. The newsgroup was relatively fallow for
> some time until it evolved into what it is today (minus the current
> troll invasion), which is altogether different but again offers the
> company of many fine people.
>
Dave --
Thanks for the history, I appreciate it - it's interesting (I'd like to learn
more about the early days of the newsgroup and what exactly happened to cause
people to leave en masse). I also looked at the Riot Chicks website which was
great and it was nice to get to know a little more about the regulars. It's
also nice to know that going off-topic is OK because I thought for sure I had
strayed too far with the Emma Thompson stuff and was inevitably going to get
slammed.
pspiglanin
Marco Anglesio
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:34:43 GMT, W. MacPherson! <wmacp...@geocities.com> wrote:
>My reading of the group is that there are at least 10-12 people who
>look for the slightest provocation to play a game of "shred the
>newbie."
Funny, I've been here all of one week longer than you, and nobody's come
up to shred me.
You can paint it (and accurately) as a personality thing between you and
(well, pretty much everyone else), but don't try to paint it as a newbie
thing. It obviously isn't. The problem is with you, not your newbieness.
m.
--
m...@squawk.klue.on.ca Life is like a bad margarita with good tequila,
http://squawk.klue.on.ca I thought, as I poured whiskey onto my granola
Running Debian Linux 2.0 and faced a new day.
ValleVista
thepl...@aol.com (Theplotter) writes:
>Hey, the mean old fart twigged to my tactics used to break in new employees at
the Labs! Go figure. Listen, baby. You don't like it here, make your own
group. We don't care.Just take it outside. I am sick of all this fighting,
and am about to turn into Rodney King, okay?
"Can't we all get a bong?"
Ms. Shell RCSC
Bill Gates
David Manning wrote in message <6hgavc$26d$1...@winter.news.erols.com>...
>For the record,
Hatchets were buried after
>that, and behing the scenes I might add
To quote the "big guns," the "regular posters," the "established regulars":
Use you spellchecker!
bg
Kim
Bill Gates wrote:
>
> To quote the "big guns," the "regular posters," the "established regulars":
> Use you spellchecker!
> bg
And you use your grammar checker.
Kim
---
"Sometimes I wish you were smarter just so you'd know how dumb you are."
- Louie DePalma, "Taxi"
David Manning
>To quote the "big guns," the "regular posters," the "established regulars":
>Use you spellchecker!
>bg
Okay I'm through being nice.
(temper and tolerance completely gone)
Fuck you.
You don't like my spelling, well fuck yourself because I dont care what you
think.
Some posters can give me shit. You arent one of them. And ya know what,
here's your load of shit right back at ya pal.
If you were trying to be funny, it sure as hell didnt work.
-david
--
"Please don't be an idiot.
Thank You."
-Pembleton, Homicide
Kim
W. MacPherson! wrote:
>
> I'll close my investigation of the Case of the Missing Life with a
> final thought: Anyone who finds complimentary qualities in Dave
> Locke's online persona is so different from me as to constitute a
> new species.
Shit. You needed to go through all this to figure that out? I had you
pegged as a Troglodyte after your first post.
Kim
Mary Virginia Burke
In article <353fa438...@enews.newsguy.com>,
wmacp...@geocities.com wrote:
Says W. MacPherson:
Anyone who finds complimentary qualities in Dave
> Locke's online persona is so different from me as to constitute a
> new species.
I am relieved beyond expression.
MVB
"If I knew what was going on, I'd be indignant!"
W. MacPherson!
On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:45:00 -0600, uk...@earthlink.net wrote:
>I'm sure it was indeed a disappointment to find out David was a
>big, strong boy and well able to take care of himself. That must be
My prime disappointment with David Manning was that he had Dave
Locke in his crosshairs and put down the gun in the interest of
being a nice, let's-all-get-along guy. Whenever there's a hostage
standoff that draws a crowd, inevitably one or two cranks will be
egging on the police snipers with cheers of "shoot 'em!" There
is no more appropriate target for two dozen rounds of verbal
flechettes than a supercilious gasbag like Locke. To borrow from
Flannery O'Connor, he "would of been a good woman ... if it had
been somebody there to shoot her every minute of her life."
I didn't post here to be anyone's champion or an altruistic liberal
do-gooder. It was nice to hear from someone who Gasbag and his
clique unfairly bullied, but that's just the icing. The cake was the
enjoyment derived from identifying what is clearly wrong with this
newsgroup: anal-retentive people who would rather spellcheck your
message than read it, juvenile behavior that substitutes in-jokes
for insight, and a shared culture that celebrates rudeness to
newcomers.
I have no desire to teach a course here in remedial decency. If
you don't understand after eight messages, you probably won't after
80. I did not launch this thread with any impression that Dave or
any other ox would say, "Hey, MacPherson: Thanks for goring me!"
I'm not going to perpetuate the discussion into the next millenium
by answering every wrongheaded assertion that's tossed my way.
A good flamefest is its own reward, because you learn quickly who's
armed with flamethrowers and who can only muster up sparks with a
BIC lighter. I'm still laughing about JoeM's shit-obsessed "cosmic
loo" analogy, as badly written a paragraph as you're likely to find
outside of the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest. Chris Pierson's order
that I never e-mail him again after a single note deserves special
recognition for timidity -- fear not, delicate flower! I mailed you
because the vocabulary discussion was getting pretty esoteric, but
in the unlikely event you post anything interesting enough to merit
a reply, I'll do so publicly.
I'll close my investigation of the Case of the Missing Life with a
final thought: Anyone who finds complimentary qualities in Dave
Locke's online persona is so different from me as to constitute a
new species.
W. MacPherson!
Dave Locke
W. MacPherson! cast forth electrons:
> I'll close my investigation of the Case of the Missing Life with a
> final thought: Anyone who finds complimentary qualities in Dave
> Locke's online persona is so different from me as to constitute a
> new species.
On Earth we call it the human species, O Great Intergalactic Whackjob.
Well, thanks for dropping by. It all comes together now in a grand
design of dazzlingly hip intellectual virtuosity. You are the Master
of the Cosmic Glass Bead Game and we're all clueless gits.
--
Dave | dave...@bigfoot.com | http://www.angelfire.com/oh/slowdjin
Dutch, Injun, Irish, Limey, Scotch | "Proud to be a mammal"
David Manning
Walt wrote...
>My prime disappointment with David Manning was that he had Dave
>Locke in his crosshairs and put down the gun in the interest of
>being a nice, let's-all-get-along guy.
Life is way too short to be popping a cap into everyone you meet.
I'm sorry that I disapoint you, alas I guess I'm just not the person you
expected me to be.
I hold no ill will towards you Walt, just next time you plan a revolt, a bit
of advance notice would help. (That damn 'Contract with America'.. now
there's a target)
I mean, I've got a time table. I have governments to overthrow and people
to corrupt. Even revolutionaries have schedules. (humor)
-d
Todd
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:21:08 GMT, wmacp...@geocities.com (W.
MacPherson!) thus spake:
>My prime disappointment with David Manning was that he had Dave
>Locke in his crosshairs and put down the gun in the interest of
>being a nice, let's-all-get-along guy. Whenever there's a hostage
>standoff that draws a crowd, inevitably one or two cranks will be
>egging on the police snipers with cheers of "shoot 'em!" There
>is no more appropriate target for two dozen rounds of verbal
>flechettes than a supercilious gasbag like Locke. To borrow from
>Flannery O'Connor, he "would of been a good woman ... if it had
>been somebody there to shoot her every minute of her life."
>
Dave's a "supercilious gasbag"? It took you five paragraphs to say
good-bye. Quit acting like a drama queen and get out so we can start
missing you. And next time you want to fall on your sword, do it in a
group that'll give you the validation you so desperately crave. That
dog won't hunt here.
Todd
W. MacPherson!
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:05:52 GMT, t-w...@writeme.com (Todd) wrote:
>Dave's a "supercilious gasbag"? It took you five paragraphs to say
>good-bye.
Nice of you to count the paragraphs (though it probably was reported
to you automatically as you spellchecked the document). However, you
read something into the message that wasn't there. The news of my
departure is wishful thinking on Gasbag's part. I never said I was
leaving the board, just this thread and the baby threads it has
birthed. Repeating myself for the benefit of people who weren't
listening the first time around is entirely pointless.
I'm not going anywhere. I want to be here for the next unprovoked
attack on a new arrival by Alpha Tau Eta. It will give us a chance
to revisit the notion that this is a meritocracy where the only
outcasts are the people who had it coming to them, and everyone else
is greeted with a red carpet and a free continental breakfast.
W. MacPherson!
Chris Pierson
In article <3540ec6a...@enews.newsguy.com>,
W. MacPherson! <wmacp...@geocities.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:05:52 GMT, t-w...@writeme.com (Todd) wrote:
>>Dave's a "supercilious gasbag"? It took you five paragraphs to say
>>good-bye.
>
>Nice of you to count the paragraphs (though it probably was reported
>to you automatically as you spellchecked the document).
You don't need a computer program to count to five. Just stop whatever it
is you're doing with your left hand, and count your fingers.
>However, you
>read something into the message that wasn't there.
Meaning? Depth? Brevity?
>The news of my
>departure is wishful thinking on Gasbag's part.
He is far from alone.
>I never said I was
>leaving the board, just this thread and the baby threads it has
>birthed.
It's a start.
>Repeating myself for the benefit of people who weren't
>listening the first time around is entirely pointless.
So you're saying it had a lot of point the first time around?
>I'm not going anywhere.
Just like your diatribes!
>I want to be here for the next unprovoked
>attack on a new arrival by Alpha Tau Eta.
So you can be a "liberal do-gooder," and lunge to their defense?
How very sporting of you.
>It will give us a chance
>to revisit the notion that this is a meritocracy where the only
>outcasts are the people who had it coming to them, and everyone else
>is greeted with a red carpet and a free continental breakfast.
IOW, you _will_ be repeating yourself for the benefit of people who
weren't listening the first time around. Thank you for elaborating.
Figure out what your species is yet, BTW?
--
****************************************************************************
Chris Pierson ** Want me never, ever, EVER to consider giving you or your
Game Designer ** company money? Great! Keep those spam ads coming!
****************************************************************************
Todd
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:31:20 GMT, wmacp...@geocities.com (W.
MacPherson!) thus spake:
>The news of my
>departure is wishful thinking on Gasbag's part.
News flash: he's not the only one.
I never said I was
>leaving the board, just this thread and the baby threads it has
>birthed. Repeating myself for the benefit of people who weren't
>listening the first time around is entirely pointless.
Yet you keep doing so, which confirms the theory that you merely like
to hear yourself talk.
>I'm not going anywhere. I want to be here for the next unprovoked
>attack on a new arrival by Alpha Tau Eta. It will give us a chance
>to revisit the notion that this is a meritocracy where the only
>outcasts are the people who had it coming to them, and everyone else
>is greeted with a red carpet and a free continental breakfast.
Hey! I never got my continental breakfast!
In fact, having been on this newsgroup longer than anyone except Dave
(and perhaps one or two others who rarely post these days), I can tell
you that I was greeted with an insult by an extremely rude person. It
was Dave who gave me the kindly advice that I needed.
Your specious theory is bereft of any evidence to back it up. A
newbie might get a good-natured barb now and then, but the only times
someone's grammar or spelling gets dinged are a) when they pompously
trumpet their own alleged genius, or b) when it's a typo that is too
funny to pass up or one that changes the meaning of the post (e.g.,
"premier" vs. "premiere").
When we did have a problem with someone who was jumping on the newbies
too quickly, that person was soundly berated. I should know, I was
doing the berating (as was Dave). Newbies are always welcome here if
they're polite. You don't walk into a dinner party and immediately
try to fuck the hostess.
If you want to stick around, fine. Drop the nom d' plume and give us
your real name. And quit trying to foment trouble. We might find you
have something to contribute that will be of use.
Todd
David Manning
It will give us a chance
>to revisit the notion that this is a meritocracy where the only
>outcasts are the people who had it coming to them, and everyone else
>is greeted with a red carpet and a free continental breakfast.
>
>
Rare is it that I quote song lyrics, and I know it's not exactly welcomed,
alas I find it appropriate.
"In the age of superboredom, hype and mediocraty, celebrate relentlessness,
menice to society. "(Meglomaniac-KMFDM)
-david (Who hates Continental breakfasts)
--
"Please don't be an idiot.
Thank You."
-Pembleton, Homicide
David Manning
Todd wrote...
> b) when it's a typo that is too
>funny to pass up or one that changes the meaning of the post (e.g.,
>"premier" vs. "premiere").
or 'considence' vs. 'concidence'
Looking back, thats damm funny.
-d
--
"Please don't be an idiot.
Thank You."
-Pembleton, Homicide
Todd wrote in message <353f40f2...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:31:20 GMT, wmacp...@geocities.com (W.
>MacPherson!) thus spake:
>
>>The news of my
>>departure is wishful thinking on Gasbag's part.
>
>News flash: he's not the only one.
>
>I never said I was
>>leaving the board, just this thread and the baby threads it has
>>birthed. Repeating myself for the benefit of people who weren't
>>listening the first time around is entirely pointless.
>
>Yet you keep doing so, which confirms the theory that you merely like
>to hear yourself talk.
>
>>I'm not going anywhere. I want to be here for the next unprovoked
>>attack on a new arrival by Alpha Tau Eta. It will give us a chance
>>to revisit the notion that this is a meritocracy where the only
>>outcasts are the people who had it coming to them, and everyone else
>>is greeted with a red carpet and a free continental breakfast.
>
>Hey! I never got my continental breakfast!
>
>In fact, having been on this newsgroup longer than anyone except Dave
>(and perhaps one or two others who rarely post these days), I can tell
>you that I was greeted with an insult by an extremely rude person. It
>was Dave who gave me the kindly advice that I needed.
>
>Your specious theory is bereft of any evidence to back it up. A
>newbie might get a good-natured barb now and then, but the only times
>someone's grammar or spelling gets dinged are a) when they pompously
>trumpet their own alleged genius, or
>
Bill Gates
David Manning raved in message <6hm0oa$je1$1...@winter.news.erols.com>...
>Fuck you.
well fuck yourself
>me shit.
>of shit
>If you were trying to be funny, it sure as hell didnt work.
Apparently it did--excellent spelling.
bg
________________________________
Dave Locke
David Manning cast forth electrons:
> Todd wrote...
>
> > b) when it's a typo that is too funny to pass up or one that changes
> > the meaning of the post (e.g., "premier" vs. "premiere").
>
> or 'considence' vs. 'concidence'
Uh, David...
> Looking back, thats damm funny.
And the beat goes on.
You might want to consider downloading another copy of that
newsreader, or another newsreader. Something with a working
spellchecker. Or a stand-alone spellchecker [I can recommend the
shareware SpellAll Ubiquitous Spell Checker from Lee Services
<http://www.leesoftware.com>, but I know there are freeware
spellcheckers out there].
--
Dave Locke | linkm...@homicidefans.org
Homicide: Links on the Sites | http://members.tripod.com/~DaveLocke
"We only do links." Start here for references to all matters H:LotS.
DLH
Todd wrote in message <353f40f2...@news.mindspring.com>...
>You don't walk into a dinner party and immediately
>try to fuck the hostess.
Damn - And I was going to invite you to dinner Saturday night --Oh, well,
forget it!
Deb (RC Gidget)
There are two types of people--those who come into a room and say, 'Well,
here I am!' and those who come in and say, 'Ah, there you are.' (Which are
you, MacPherson?)
David Manning
Okay, We've covered this before...
And this is my polite respose to people who feel a need to harass me about
my spelling.
(This is a repost)
What is your problem with me Bill? If you actually expend energy and enjoy
correcting
people's spelling, I have to tell you, theres a big world out there beyond
the keyboard. I've been out there in that world, and usually it's pretty
sunny, at least in my world. If you feel this need to make others feel
small merely because they
don't spell as good as you do then might I suggest you examine your own
faults. I freely admit that my spelling is usually horrible, but for some
reason you felt this need to point out a correction on my correction.
(This has been a repost)
-david
--
"Please don't be an idiot.
Thank You."
-Pembleton, Homicide
Bill Gates wrote in message <6hnkbf$ndo$1...@news1-alterdial.uu.net>...
David Manning
Okay, Everyone Disreguard my other reply to this post.
I don't like it when people criticize my spelling. Why? Because I suffered
a head injury about 2 1/2 months ago and my spelling (amoung other things)
has been affected by this. I'm afraid that this will end up a permident
impairment rather than a temporary one.
I would appreciate it if no one criticized anyone about their spelling.
I know thats not reallistic, so I'm going to ask that you just not harass me
about it.
Todd
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:20:38 -0700, "DLH" <de...@1bca.com> thus spake:
>
>Damn - And I was going to invite you to dinner Saturday night --Oh, well,
>forget it!
>
>Deb (RC Gidget)
Will you reconsider if I bring a chocolate babka?
Todd