Epiodes Never Produced?
CatGOD29
Heroes" but never produced? Or, possibly started but never finished?
What got me started on this particular issue was reading several years ago
in "The Twilight Zone Companion" about scripts and/or stories that had been
touted for but never made it to production. And then hearing that "Star Trek"
also had unproduced scripts as well. I remember that one of the then-unproduced
"Twilight Zone" scripts was made by NBC or CBS as a two-hour movie but it
wasn't very well produced, directed or acted (the script was by Serling).
That got me to thinking about the proposed movie, that if there are any
unproduced scripts for the "Hogan" series, maybe the script could be revised
and expanded to make a two hour movie (and hopefully better than the network
which attempted the TZ script).. Course, the studio would have to work out
compensation for any unproduced scripts with the writers of that script.
Tom Mourgos
In Brenda Scott Royce's book, she mentions that Richard Dawson and
Larry Hovis wrote a script for an episode but the producers didn't
want to offend the show's writers, so nothing came of it.
CatGOD29
>Larry Hovis wrote a script for an episode but the producers didn't
>want to offend the show's writers, so nothing came of it.
>
it, "Hogan's Heroes" was pretty much a closed shop in the writing department. I
don't know how many shows operated in such a manner, but I suspect the number
was far too many. I know the reason cited usually is integrity and continuity
and all that jazz, but I think it was more with keeping the costs down on
production.
Still, in those days, they could've accepted a story idea from a freelance
writer, paid him or her a nominal fee (if they weren't a well known name) and
then assigned a staff writer to pen the script. They also could've allowed the
freelance writer to pen their own script and paid them a smaller fee.
It's kind of sad that Hollywood engages in such protectionist practices and
then they have the nerve to talk about what other companies are doing.
Sean Gaynor
>> Anyone have information as to scripts which were written for "Hogan's
>> Heroes" but never produced? Or, possibly started but never finished?
>> What got me started on this particular issue was reading several years ago
>> in "The Twilight Zone Companion" about scripts and/or stories that had been
>> touted for but never made it to production. And then hearing that "Star Trek"
>> also had unproduced scripts as well. I remember that one of the then-unproduced
>> "Twilight Zone" scripts was made by NBC or CBS as a two-hour movie but it
>> wasn't very well produced, directed or acted (the script was by Serling).
>> That got me to thinking about the proposed movie, that if there are any
>> unproduced scripts for the "Hogan" series, maybe the script could be revised
>> and expanded to make a two hour movie (and hopefully better than the network
>> which attempted the TZ script).. Course, the studio would have to work out
>> compensation for any unproduced scripts with the writers of that script.
Absolutely, it is possible. I don't know of any particular unused scripts, but
I am sure there were a number of them. Perhaps, some of the HH script
collectors could tell us if they ever seen an unfilmed script?
I collect the Bob Crane Show. I know that there were at least 14 scripts, but
only 13 episodes aired by NBC. Among the interesting guests on this short-lived
series: John Astin, John Ritter, John Hillerman, Brett Somers, and Jack DeMave.
RMK
I wish TVLand would rerun "The Bob Crane Show". They used to be very
good about showing half-a-season and whole season shows, but with the
bloated Fandamonium Weekends they don't really have any time to do so
anymore. I'd like to see this and "Chicago Teddy Bears" which featured
John Banner in his final role. I was about four or five when TBCS came
on, all I remember of it was the title sequence which I believe had Bob
tossing his briefcase into a large fountain. Even if the shows <like
most follow-ups and "The New _________ Show"s> aren't as entertaining as
the original, it would still be nice to see the actors doing something
different then just their HH roles. That's one reason I like to watch
"Password" reruns on GameShow Network, it's fun to see Bob Crane, Irene
Ryan, Eddie Albert, Don Adams Ed Platt and other TVLand fixtures step
out of character and be more or less themselves.
PB
> I am sure there were a number of them. Perhaps, some of the HH script
> collectors could tell us if they ever seen an unfilmed script?
>
> I collect the Bob Crane Show. I know that there were at least 14 scripts, but
> only 13 episodes aired by NBC. Among the interesting guests on this short-lived
> series: John Astin, John Ritter, John Hillerman, Brett Somers, and Jack DeMave.
>
> Sean
> sdga...@yahoo.com
Do you have an episode guide for this show? If not, what was the
episode John Ritter was in?
CatGOD29
>but
>only 13 episodes aired by NBC. Among the interesting guests on this
>short-lived
>series: John Astin, John Ritter, John Hillerman, Brett Somers, and Jack
>DeMave.
Aside from catching Brett Somers on the "Odd Couple" occasionally (she was
once married to Jack Klugman) and her seemingly permanent role of "Match Game"
in the 70s, I was never sure about her celebrity status.
She was like Charles Nelson Reilley - I know he appeared in "The Ghost and
Mrs. Muir" TV series and Dean Martin's "Celebrity Roasts," but after that, it
got a little hard to name any TV shows (not counting game shows) or movies they
were in.
But, who was or is Jack DeMave? The name's not familiar but it might be
possible he's one of those faces seen but can't remember, especially if he
hasn't been seen in some time. I know a lot of the names of character actors
rather than the characters they played in movies and TV but occasionally one
does get by me.
Sean Gaynor
>Do you have an episode guide for this show? If not, what was the
>episode John Ritter was in?
John Ritter was in "Son of Campus Capers," the same episode in which John
Hillerman also appeared. Here's the episode guide (thanks to Diane from the
Hogan's Heroes email list for providing me with most of this information).
Revised List
Mid-Term Blues [3/6/75] guest stars: Kenneth Mars, Gene Blakely, Robert Riesel
Not With My Mother You Don't [3/13/75]
The Incredible Shrinking Bob [3/20/75]
Ellie's Sister [3/27/75]
One Summer of Misery [4/3/75] guest stars: Jack De Mave, Michael LeClair, Art
Burns(V.O.)
But I Love My Wife [4/17/75] guest stars: Trisha Noble, Lou Cutell
Acute Bussophobia [4/24/75] guest stars: Dick Balduzzi, Joan Pringle, Lorry
Goldman
Grin and Bare It [5/1/75] guest star: Bobbie Mitchell
A Case of Mis-diagnosis [5/8/75] guest stars: John Astin, Ed Winter, Carol
O'Leary
The Lyle Principle [5/15/75]
An American Fiasco [5/22/75]
The Doctor Sings the Blues [5/29/75] guest stars: Harold Gould, Brett Somers
The Embezzler [6/5/75] guest stars: Jo Ann Pflug, Jack Bannon
Son of Campus Capers [6/12/75] guest stars: John Ritter, John Hillerman, Gloria
LeRoy
Sean Gaynor
I admit that Brett Somers was only a marginal celeb. Actually, I am too young
to remember her from the 70's...I only know her from countless hours I have
spent watching Richard Dawson on the Match Game :-)
Jack DeMave is also a big reach...he did appear with Bob Crane on the dinner
theater circuit and that is why I mentioned him. I can't remember which play it
was though. I don't think it was Beginner's Luck...it may have been Cactus
Flower.
Sean
In article <20010826162632...@mb-ci.aol.com>, CatGOD29 says...
> Aside from catching Brett Somers on the "Odd Couple" occasionally (she was
>once married to Jack Klugman) and her seemingly permanent role of "Match Game"
>in the 70s, I was never sure about her celebrity status....
CatGOD29
>young
>to remember her from the 70's...I only know her from countless hours I have
>spent watching Richard Dawson on the Match Game :-)
>
Elaine Joyce would make an appearance on the show. Some of the female
celebrities they had on that show were also questionable celebrities - like
Mitzi McCall. She and her husband, Charlie Brill had been a comedy team and had
appeared on the Sullivan show (along with future Monkee Davy Jones) when the
Beatles made their first appearance on the show.
But what shows did she appear on other than Sullivan or the "Match Game?"
Charlie Brill (don't know if they're still married) can at least claim an
appearance on "Star Trek" (in the episode, "The Trouble with Tribbles" -
playing a Klingon agent masquerading as a human).
Nothing depressed me more than to see Brady mom Florence Henderson or Dr.
Joyce Brothers on that show. And what I want to know is, how did Dr. Brothers
come to qualify as a celebrity?
I'm not too sure what shows Elaine Joyce appeared in, but one tended to watch
Elaine and forget the TV show she was on - she had it all!
>Jack DeMave is also a big reach...he did appear with Bob Crane on the dinner
>theater circuit and that is why I mentioned him. I can't remember which play
>it
>was though. I don't think it was Beginner's Luck...it may have been Cactus
>Flower.
>
Another buddy of Bob's? Even so, thinking about his name after posting
originally, I know I have seen his name in the credits on some show or movie -
just can't place the face with the name.
PB
Sean Gaynor <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<Fwoi7.180$F4....@www.newsranger.com>...
Sean Gaynor
(standard for a trial and cancellation...13 is the cutoff point for the network
to decide whether to order more shows). I got the list below from a collector
of scripts...so there are at least 14 scripts. I can't say for sure how many
were actually filmed.
In article <1d28bb1.01082...@posting.google.com>, PB says...
RMK
like the late Bobby Van and Elaine Joyce as well as Charles Nelson
Rielly, Mitzi and Charlie Brill do alot of stage work which isn't as
well known as tv and movie appearences. Also like Bobby Van and Elaine
Joyce, they made a number of appearences on "Match Game"'s sister show
"Tattletales", which followed MG in most markets in the 70s.