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Ubiquitous
Jan 11, 2016, 4:40:03 AM1/11/16
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Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
but not before revealing to him their operations.
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b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
but not before revealing to him their operations.
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Rhino
Jan 11, 2016, 8:34:18 AM1/11/16
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On 1/11/2016 4:37 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
> b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
> but not before revealing to him their operations.
>
I only saw that episode once and it was several years ago; I simply
> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
> b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
> but not before revealing to him their operations.
>
don't recall.
However, it may be significant that the pilot had a Russian character
who we never saw again. He may have simply been recast after the pilot
but perhaps he was the spy?
IMDB does not reveal who the spy was but the article on the actor,
Leonid Kinskey, says he turned down a role in the series because he
didn't think the premise of the show was funny.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0455893/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
I didn't realize he had played a role in Casablanca, as the bartender.
Was the pilot of Hogan's Heroes ever aired during the original run of
the show or was it like the pilot of Gilligan's Island, simply "lost"
until someone found it in the archives? I'm pretty sure the only reason
I ever saw the pilot was that it was on my friend's DVD boxed set, which
I saw a few years back. I remember being surprised that it was in black
and white and that it had the Russian character, who I'd never seen before.
It would make sense to not show the pilot. After all, Hogan's Heroes
began the year that colour broadcasting became standard, 1966, so
showing the pilot would do the exact opposite of highlighting the move
to colour.
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Ubiquitous
Jan 11, 2016, 9:41:00 AM1/11/16
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no_offlin...@example.com wrote:
>On 1/11/2016 4:37 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
>> b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
>> but not before revealing to him their operations.
>
>I only saw that episode once and it was several years ago; I simply
>don't recall.
>
>However, it may be significant that the pilot had a Russian character
>who we never saw again. He may have simply been recast after the pilot
>but perhaps he was the spy?
My sister saw it recently and I mentioned seeing a remake (or two) later in
>On 1/11/2016 4:37 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
>> b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
>> but not before revealing to him their operations.
>
>I only saw that episode once and it was several years ago; I simply
>don't recall.
>
>However, it may be significant that the pilot had a Russian character
>who we never saw again. He may have simply been recast after the pilot
>but perhaps he was the spy?
the series. I distinctly remember them showing him exposed after they woke him
up yelling "Fire! Fire! Get out thru the window!" in German and he obeyed and
him dowsing Burkhalter when he pulled the watertower chain, thinking it opened
a secret door to their tunnels and mistaking one of the guns they produced for
a lighter.
>IMDB does not reveal who the spy was but the article on the actor,
>Leonid Kinskey, says he turned down a role in the series because he
>didn't think the premise of the show was funny.
>
>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0455893/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
>Was the pilot of Hogan's Heroes ever aired during the original run of
>the show or was it like the pilot of Gilligan's Island, simply "lost"
>until someone found it in the archives? I'm pretty sure the only reason
>I ever saw the pilot was that it was on my friend's DVD boxed set, which
>I saw a few years back. I remember being surprised that it was in black
>and white and that it had the Russian character, who I'd never seen before.
>
>It would make sense to not show the pilot. After all, Hogan's Heroes
>began the year that colour broadcasting became standard, 1966, so
>showing the pilot would do the exact opposite of highlighting the move
>to colour.
anim8rfsk
Jan 11, 2016, 9:55:55 AM1/11/16
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In article <n00ry0$bf9$2...@dont-email.me>,
IMDb says it aired first:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058812/episodes?season=1&ref_=tt_eps_sn_1
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Michael Black
Jan 11, 2016, 1:12:34 PM1/11/16
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2016, Ubiquitous wrote:
> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
> b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
> but not before revealing to him their operations.
>
It's not a literal extension of "Stalag 17".
> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
> b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
> but not before revealing to him their operations.
>
Michael
Michael Black
Jan 11, 2016, 1:25:10 PM1/11/16
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2016, Rhino wrote:
> On 1/11/2016 4:37 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
>> b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
>> but not before revealing to him their operations.
>>
> I only saw that episode once and it was several years ago; I simply don't
> recall.
>
> However, it may be significant that the pilot had a Russian character who we
> never saw again. He may have simply been recast after the pilot but perhaps
> he was the spy?
>
Russians probably weren't kept with the rest of the Allied prisoners,
> On 1/11/2016 4:37 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the only
>> b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in their midst
>> but not before revealing to him their operations.
>>
> I only saw that episode once and it was several years ago; I simply don't
> recall.
>
> However, it may be significant that the pilot had a Russian character who we
> never saw again. He may have simply been recast after the pilot but perhaps
> he was the spy?
>
since having not signed the Geneva Convention, they were badly treated by
the Germans (and vice versa). Though I think it wasn't just spite, they
didn't like the Russians, but since they'd not signed the Convention, they
coudl mistreat them.
But of course, the enlisted men weren't kept with the officers, or so I
gather. We mostly see the camps for the officers (and a lot of airmen,
since they were more likely to be captured earlier in the war, at least
after Germany had spread over the continent), I gather the enlisted men
camps may have included labor, at least related to their own upkeep. And
you only hear about the escapes from the officers camps.
Michael
Ubiquitous
Jan 19, 2016, 10:03:47 AM1/19/16
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Check"(?) were remakes of the original.
Michael Black
Jan 19, 2016, 4:08:41 PM1/19/16
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2016, Ubiquitous wrote:
> et...@ncf.ca wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016, Ubiquitous wrote:
>
>>> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the
>>> only b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in
>>> their midst but not before revealing to him their operations.
>>
>> It's not a literal extension of "Stalag 17".
>
> I never saw the movie, but I think "Information, Please" and "8:00
> Check"(?) were remakes of the original.
>
My line was because in "Stalag 17" there is a spy, giving the Germans
> et...@ncf.ca wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016, Ubiquitous wrote:
>
>>> Which ep or eps were remakes of the pilot? As you recall, in the
>>> only b&w ep of the series, was about them discovering a spy in
>>> their midst but not before revealing to him their operations.
>>
>> It's not a literal extension of "Stalag 17".
>
> I never saw the movie, but I think "Information, Please" and "8:00
> Check"(?) were remakes of the original.
>
information. It turns out (and I hope this isn't a spoiler) that Peter
Graves, who looks all American, is really German and put into the compound
to spy on the prisoners. They fix him good.
Michael
A Friend
Jan 19, 2016, 4:55:25 PM1/19/16
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In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1...@darkstar.example.org>,
BTW the bit near the end where William Holden's character (Sefton) pops
back out of the hatch and smiles at them as he leaves was added for the
movie, perhaps at Holden's insistence. It was a ploy to make Sefton
more likable, but you're not supposed to like Sefton at all. Sefton is
a bastard, and he remains a bastard through the entire play. Holden
hated the role and didn't want to do it, and only did so because he was
under contract. I guess the Oscar eased the pain.
back out of the hatch and smiles at them as he leaves was added for the
movie, perhaps at Holden's insistence. It was a ploy to make Sefton
more likable, but you're not supposed to like Sefton at all. Sefton is
a bastard, and he remains a bastard through the entire play. Holden
hated the role and didn't want to do it, and only did so because he was
under contract. I guess the Oscar eased the pain.
Michael Black
Jan 19, 2016, 7:28:40 PM1/19/16
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Yes, the only way he's "redeemed" is because he's not the one helping the
Germans.
I had meant to add that Peter Graves came as quite the shock to everyone,
they assumed an American who was helping the Germans, they never expected
a German to be placed with the prisoners.
Michael
Adam H. Kerman
Jan 19, 2016, 10:36:47 PM1/19/16
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Greg
Jan 23, 2016, 7:03:10 PM1/23/16
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> IMDB does not reveal who the spy was but the article on the actor,
> Leonid Kinskey, says he turned down a role in the series because he
> didn't think the premise of the show was funny.
The spy in the pilot episode was played by Noam Pitlik, who went on to appear in a number of HH episodes, usually as a guard. In one episode he played 1 of 2 soldiers transferred to Stalag 13. Then one night the Gestapo shows up, shoots the other soldier. NP's character was on leave in town, and Hogan and his crew found him easily. In exchange for a personal notice in the next issue of a London paper, he agreed to tell Hogan all he knew about the special installation he & the other guard were stationed at. Of course, that installation was soon destroyed!! ;)
> Leonid Kinskey, says he turned down a role in the series because he
> didn't think the premise of the show was funny.
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