Queen of Swords cancelled
Eance
This is lifted from another forum with permission.
Apparently QoS will not be back for a second season.
I know there are many here who watch and are enjoying (even through HL
tinted glasses.G.)
If you would like to try and change the minds of TPTB here are a couple
of links to on-line and snail mail efforts to keep Tessa, The good
Dr.Helm and Montoya in business:
http://www.czonian.homestead.com/rescuethequeen.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/rquos/petition.html
Eance
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DonnaLetto
> I know there are many here who watch and are enjoying (even through HL
>tinted glasses.G.)
>If you would like to try and change the minds of TPTB here are a couple
>of links to on-line and snail mail efforts to keep Tessa, The good
>Dr.Helm and Montoya in business:
>
>http://www.czonian.homestead.com/rescuethequeen.html
>
>http://www.petitiononline.com/rquos/petition.html
>
>Eance
Pretty much too late for this upcoming season.
Donna
GinjerB
>Subject: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: Eance <ea...@my-deja.com>
>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 17:34:58 GMT
<<Too bad! But you know, the truth is, MHO, it isn't that good of a show.
GinjerB (ducking and covering)
Jerri LaPoint
> Too bad! But you know, the truth is, MHO,
> it isn't that good of a show.
That's being pretty generous. <G> Man, I wanted to like this one. With VP
and PW ... and others from the Highlander gang showing up for one reason or
another ... but consistently wooden performances by the lead actress, there
just wasn't much hope. And that dopey lace mask [that nevertheless "fooled"
everyone] ... yikes. Maybe if it had been a whole lot worse, they could
have gone for camp and brought in an audience, but ... this one just didn't
do the job.
Jerri [waiting for the next real Highlander and pretty content with The
Immortal and Andromeda until then] [which proves that I'm not addicted to
quality programming and have a high tolerance for dreck] [hmmmmmm ... as
long as it comes complete with a buff hero with decent hair ... hmmmmm]
[instantly re-evaluting evaluations of television viewing ... nope, QoS was
pretty bad]
ruthless
> Too bad! But you know, the truth is, MHO,
I agree, but I don't think it's too bad of a show, either.
It's just, well, there, and somewhat predictable.
The Watcher who wrote about the Doctor Helm
portion of Methos' life decided to write it
in Zorro style. Obviously Zorro must've been a
bit of a folk hero at the time, but nowadays,
since the Zorro mythos has been discovered, recovered,
overcovered, Langella-covered and Banderos-covered
(said in Arlo Guthrie nasal pickle persuasion),
the interest to the present
day television viewing population is probably not
that great. While it might have been original and
daring while Methos was posing as Dr. Helms, it
doesn't seem so original today.
ruthless<it's a DOCUMENTARY><Dr. Helms is METHOS>
<tongue firmly planted in cheek><living in denial>
<that's in EGYPT><which is also hot and humid in the Summer>
--
lady ruthless,
fair as fay-woman and fell-minded,
in the world walking for the woe of men.
-J.R.R. Tolkien
Eance
gin...@aol.com (GinjerB) wrote:
>
> <<Too bad! But you know, the truth is, MHO, it isn't that good of a
show.
>
> GinjerB (ducking and covering)
>
Yeah, I know.
But it`s such fun watching PW and VP strut their stuff!
Besides IMO they are both v.talented actors and I`m working on the
theory that the more screen time they have, the more work they`ll get.
`Probably not true and they`re probably mortified to be thought of as
the chaps who couldn`t see behind the lacy mask!
Eance <always took QoS as a comedy show>
GinjerB
writes:
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: ruthless <lady_r...@my-deja.com>
>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 19:05:08 GMT
>
>GinjerB:
>> Too bad! But you know, the truth is, MHO,
>> it isn't that good of a show. <ducking and running>
>
>I agree, but I don't think it's too bad of a show, either.
>It's just, well, there, and somewhat predictable.
>The Watcher who wrote about the Doctor Helm
>portion of Methos' life decided to write it
>in Zorro style. Obviously Zorro must've been a
>bit of a folk hero at the time, but nowadays,
>since the Zorro mythos has been discovered, recovered,
>overcovered, Langella-covered and Banderos-covered
>(said in Arlo Guthrie nasal pickle persuasion),
>the interest to the present
>day television viewing population is probably not
>that great. While it might have been original and
>daring while Methos was posing as Dr. Helms, it
>doesn't seem so original today.
>
>
>ruthless<it's a DOCUMENTARY><Dr. Helms is METHOS>
> <tongue firmly planted in cheek><living in denial>
> <that's in EGYPT><which is also hot and humid in the Summer>
>
<<Well, would that Dr. Helms *had* been Zorro...altho the title might have had
to be changed then. <g>
GinjerB
First Fallen
>>ruthless<it's a DOCUMENTARY><Dr. Helms is METHOS>
>> <tongue firmly planted in cheek><living in denial>
>> <that's in EGYPT><which is also hot and humid in the Summer>
>>
>
><<Well, would that Dr. Helms *had* been Zorro...altho the title might have
had
>to be changed then. <g>
Nah, just give him a little swish in his walk
GinjerB
writes:
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: "First Fallen" <no...@nope.com>
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:24:40 -0700
<<I think they made that movie--wasn't it called THE GAY BLADE" ??
GinjerB
Jerri LaPoint
> This was expected. I mean, how many syndicated
> shows are actually any good?
As far as I can tell, syndicated shows seem to be "better" [by my own
personal and highly humble standards] than most network shows. I can say
this because I only tape the shows I really like ... and those seem to be
mostly syndicated shows. Network shows just don't seem to be worth the
bother, no matter how much I like them at the time.
Jerri
Doctor TOC
>
> <<Well, would that Dr. Helms *had* been Zorro...altho the title might have had
> to be changed then. <g>
Not if you dressed him up in some spangly make-up and a pink feather
boa...
I'll get me coat.
Doctor TOC
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GinjerB
LaPoint" <jerla...@earthlink.net> writes:
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: "Jerri LaPoint" <jerla...@earthlink.net>
>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 21:18:40 GMT
<<I wouldn't go that far, but I also wouldn't agree that syndicated=bad.
GinjerB
First Fallen
>>>> <tongue firmly planted in cheek><living in denial>
>>>> <that's in EGYPT><which is also hot and humid in the Summer>
>>>>
>>>
>>><<Well, would that Dr. Helms *had* been Zorro...altho the title might
have
>>had
>>>to be changed then. <g>
>>
>>Nah, just give him a little swish in his walk
>>
>
><<I think they made that movie--wasn't it called THE GAY BLADE" ??
Zorro, the Gay Blade...love that movie....own that movie....
George Hamilton as Don Diego Vega, the son of the original Zorro. Comes to
California to take up the mask after his father dies...and fight the
oppression of the Alcalde...but he sprains his foot. Shortly thereafter,
his twin brother Ramon arrives, having received teh same message. However,
Ramon is now Bunny Wigglesworth...a rather effeminate Zorro who insists on
wearing flashier outfits as Zorro instead of basic black. It's a fun movie
<g>
Cherna
viewers can't get past no one in Santa Helena figuring out who's the
Queen of Swords behind that little lacy mask, but they're perfectly
willing to accept the concept of immortality (Highlander-style) and
everything that encompasses it. Think about it...
I've enjoyed QoS. I admit, a large part of that enjoyment comes
from being able to see Val Pelka as Montoya.
Another thing, those viewers that can't suspend disbelief over the whole
'mask' issue, never get to the 'Montoya knows and is playing a game'
stage.
Food for thought, at least, in my Devil's Advocate/Deity head <g>
Cherna
Eance wrote in part:
Jerri LaPoint
> Ya know... suspension of disbelief time here...
> it tickles me that some viewers can't get past
> no one in Santa Helena figuring out who's the
> Queen of Swords behind that little lacy mask,
> but they're perfectly willing to accept the
> concept of immortality (Highlander-style) and
> everything that encompasses it. Think about it...
Having thought about it, I have come to the conclusion that some television
devices are meant to be ridiculed and this is one of them. No one recognized
Clark Kent as Superman because he wore glasses, and there has been a certain
amount of ridicule for that. No one recognizes Tess as the Queen of Swords
because she's not wearing a lacy little mask, and there has GOT to be a
certain amount of ridicule for that. It's not a matter of disbelief. It's a
matter of recognizing certain devices and thinking they're pretty stupid.
> I've enjoyed QoS. I admit, a large part of that
> enjoyment comes from being able to see
> Val Pelka as Montoya.
I thought Valentine Pelka was simply amazing as Kronos. As Montoya, he
seemed a posturing villain-type ... dime a dozen dictator. Not necessarily
his fault. He no doubt did what he could with the part. I wish him much good
fortune and a better part to play in the near future.
> Another thing, those viewers that can't suspend disbelief
> over the whole 'mask' issue, never get to the 'Montoya
> knows and is playing a game' stage.
As someone who never could quite suspend disbelief over the mask, I *had* to
think that Montoya knew and was just waiting for his moment to strike.
Unfortunately, I don't see anything in Montoya to show me that Montoya was
truly aware. Also unfortunately, I never got "in" to this show so peeling
away the layers of Montoya's mind is not of interest. That's assuming that
there are layers.
Jerri
Eance
Cherna <che...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ya know... suspension of disbelief time here... it tickles me that
some
> viewers can't get past no one in Santa Helena figuring out who's the
> Queen of Swords behind that little lacy mask, but they're perfectly
> willing to accept the concept of immortality (Highlander-style) and
> everything that encompasses it. Think about it...
You are of course absolutely right.
Why it is more credible to have a bunch of immies lurking about,
chopping off heads and causing thunder, lightning, power outages and
mass destruction every time they do it than a little town who don`t
regonise a girl behind a bit of lace?
`Tisn`t,
but...perhaps it`s because VPs and PWs style in QoS does seem to be
rather tounge in cheek most of the time, and I`m watching them instead
of Tessa who should be making me watch her.
Because the lead in the HL universe is either DM or CM of TCM, who are
both so very serious, sincere and convincing.
>
> I've enjoyed QoS. I admit, a large part of that enjoyment comes
> from being able to see Val Pelka as Montoya.
>
> Another thing, those viewers that can't suspend disbelief over the
whole
> 'mask' issue, never get to the 'Montoya knows and is playing a game'
> stage.
>
Not only Montoya, I would also propose that the Dr. is not as nieave
as he would like to appear.
> Food for thought, at least, in my Devil's Advocate/Deity head <g>
>
> Cherna
>
> I totally agree with all your points Cherna.
By 'being remembered as the guys wo couldn`t see beneath the mask' I
was suggesting the *Mr.Spock with pointy ears syndrome* When an actor
gets associated with a character he/she has played it seems it is
always the most idiotic and banal characteristics that are remembered
and sometimes limit said actors career.
It wasn`t *Mr.Spock of emotional and cultural dilemma who highlighted
the xenophobic and bigoted traits of humankind*
Naahhh, pointy ears are much more relevant!
It would be a shame, IMO, if VP and PW were associated for too long
with the QoS characters despite the fact that I love watching them.
Eance
DonnaLetto
>Ya know... suspension of disbelief time here... it tickles me that some
>viewers can't get past no one in Santa Helena figuring out who's the
>Queen of Swords behind that little lacy mask, but they're perfectly
>willing to accept the concept of immortality (Highlander-style) and
>everything that encompasses it.
Guess they didn't grow up reading and/or watching Superman. I didn't have
trouble with it then, I don't have trouble with it now.
Donna
(literalists... why does it always have to be literalists... <g>)
DonnaLetto
>with the QoS characters despite the fact that I love watching them.
That would require a few more [million] people to be watching the show in the
first place.
Donna
3D Master
news:3A849EA0...@earthlink.net...
> Another thing, those viewers that can't suspend disbelief over the whole
> 'mask' issue, never get to the 'Montoya knows and is playing a game'
> stage.
>
> Food for thought, at least, in my Devil's Advocate/Deity head <g>
>
> Cherna
Of course he knew. Ever heard of Sancta Helena and particularly that Sancta
Helena? Or of this Tessa as the Queen of Swords? Of course not! It's just
Kronos waiting to burn Sancta Helena to the ground and kill everybody in it.
3D Master <eg>
Ojagwers
>(literalists... why does it always have to be literalists... <g>)
Sorry, but you've just flooded my mind with an image of Indiana Jones being
lowered into a pit of fans demanding explanations for every inconsistency in
not only the Indiana Jones series but "Star Wars" and the Jack Ryan films ...
Literalist # 1: "Wait a minute, Indy, are we supposed to believe you crossed an
ocean hanging on to a periscope? Did the submarine never submerge? Or can you
hold your breath a really long time? Or are you Immortal and can breathe under
water?"
Literalist # 2: "Hang on, Literalist # , I believe it's been established on the
ATH board that Immortals don't breathe under water."
Literalist # 1: "Are we sure about that?"
Literalist # 2: "Perhaps he drowned repeatedly and revived. Or perhaps the
submarine never submerged -- which is it, Mr. Jones?"
Indy: "Bring back the snakes, please ... "
O :)
Frances Doyle
"> Jerri [waiting for the next real Highlander and pretty content with The
> Immortal and Andromeda
I grew up with Saturday morning Western shootouts. Cartoons didn't take over
Saturday until I grew up.
I've seen The Immortal and Andromeda. Didn't care for them. Actually I liked
Hercules more than Andromda. Have they canceled The Immortal? Last I saw
their ratings were lower than QoS.
Frances
Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, Wild Bill Hickock, Hopalong Cassidy, Buffalo Bill
Jr., Lone Ranger, Range Rider, Annie Oakley, Yancy Derringer, (reaaally nice
tall/lean/dark haired..), Fury, (11a.m), Rin Tin Tinand of course Guy
Williams Zorro (on occaision I watch the Disney channel and still enjoy Don
Diego and Bernardo 30/40 yrs later<g>)
Cherna
> You are of course absolutely right.
> Why it is more credible to have a bunch of immies lurking about,
> chopping off heads and causing thunder, lightning, power outages and
> mass destruction every time they do it than a little town who don`t
> regonise a girl behind a bit of lace?
Aack! I wasn't replying to be "right," it was just something I noticed
that amused me.
It isn't more credible, it's just that some who were able to suspend
their disbelief for HL:TS and/or the films. Or whatever else one wanted
to apply that theory to.
> `Tisn`t,
> but...perhaps it`s because VPs and PWs style in QoS does seem to be
> rather tounge in cheek most of the time, and I`m watching them instead
> of Tessa who should be making me watch her.
I have not been watching the show for her, I've been watching it for
VP... call me shallow, I don't care!
> By 'being remembered as the guys wo couldn`t see beneath the mask' I
> was suggesting the *Mr.Spock with pointy ears syndrome* When an actor
> gets associated with a character he/she has played it seems it is
> always the most idiotic and banal characteristics that are remembered
> and sometimes limit said actors career.
Any sort of ST reference would have gone flying right over my naturally
curly head... I don't watch them. Yes, I've seen them, but it doesn't
stick.
I do understand the point you're making, as in, some people who will
always see Peter Wingfield as playing a variation on Methos, or
Val Pelka playing a variation on Kronos.
I saw Val Pelka before he was in HL:TS, and I've seen most of his
TV/Film
work courtesy of video. He doesn't play the same character all the time.
Same for Peter Wingfield.
There are certain 'personal' characteristics that will show through on
occasion and maybe that's what some people pick up on, thus reducing any
other roles to a vartiation thereof. Bet there are lots of theories one
could apply.
I remember hearing some people say that the characters of Montoya and
Dr. Helm were simply other identities that Kronos and Methos assumed
along the way. Whatever it takes, I guess...
> It would be a shame, IMO, if VP and PW were associated for too long
> with the QoS characters despite the fact that I love watching them.
From the interviews VP's given regarding his role as Montoya, he's had
a good time doing it. I can't see him being typecast because of it,
anymore than either actor being typecast because they played Kronos
or Methos. I think that maybe it's just another role to them. Something
they've enjoyed doing/or not, gotten paid for, and added to their
resume.
Cherna
Cold metal scything thru warm flesh gives a swift and passionless kiss
Camp of the Horsemen
http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/coth
Cherna
> Having thought about it, I have come to the conclusion that some television
> devices are meant to be ridiculed and this is one of them. No one recognized
> Clark Kent as Superman because he wore glasses, and there has been a certain
> amount of ridicule for that. No one recognizes Tess as the Queen of Swords
> because she's not wearing a lacy little mask, and there has GOT to be a
> certain amount of ridicule for that. It's not a matter of disbelief. It's a
> matter of recognizing certain devices and thinking they're pretty stupid.
More power to ya! It's just something I've noticed that amused me and I
thought I'd share.
> I thought Valentine Pelka was simply amazing as Kronos. As Montoya, he
> seemed a posturing villain-type ... dime a dozen dictator. Not necessarily
> his fault. He no doubt did what he could with the part. I wish him much good
> fortune and a better part to play in the near future.
I'm shallow about Val Pelka, I'll happily watch him in anything.
Seriously. Same way I watched Oliver Reed in anything. I don't see the
character of Montoya the same as you, but it's still Val Pelka and that
makes me a happy girl!
> As someone who never could quite suspend disbelief over the mask, I *had* to
> think that Montoya knew and was just waiting for his moment to strike.
> Unfortunately, I don't see anything in Montoya to show me that Montoya was
> truly aware. Also unfortunately, I never got "in" to this show so peeling
> away the layers of Montoya's mind is not of interest. That's assuming that
> there are layers.
Ah, one of my favorite things to do is peel away layers, or try to get
inside someone's head. That is, if I'm curious enough about what makes
them tick.
I have no interest in what makes Dr. Helm, Montoya OTH, is something
else entirely.
Cherna
> > Another thing, those viewers that can't suspend disbelief over the whole
> > 'mask' issue, never get to the 'Montoya knows and is playing a game'
> > stage.
3D Master replied:
> Of course he knew. Ever heard of Sancta Helena and particularly that Sancta
> Helena? Or of this Tessa as the Queen of Swords? Of course not! It's just
> Kronos waiting to burn Sancta Helena to the ground and kill everybody in it.
Now I say:
I do not subscribe to the theory that Montoya is one of Kronos'
aliases. Therefore, I wouldn't expect Montoya to exhibit any of Kronos'
characteristics.
Your mileage may vary.
Jette Goldie
--
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
boss...@scotlandmail.com
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
Ojagwers <ojag...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010210124647...@ng-fq1.aol.com...
Shomeret
I saw one episode where the Queen disguised herself as a nun, and that gave me
an instant of hope for the series. If the Queen could have been a master of
disguise who could appear as absolutely anyone, they could have pulled it off
believeably. That's what disgusts me with the lace mask. It represents a
denial of the character's potential for growth. Becoming a master of disguise
would have made her more interesting as well as more believable.
Shomeret
DonnaLetto
(Shomeret) writes:
Not that Zorro was a master of disguise, himself. He seemed to do just fine
with a plain black mask.
Donna
Susan Stansfield
In article <3A8597EA...@earthlink.net>, Cherna <che...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>From the interviews VP's given regarding his role as Montoya, he's had
>a good time doing it. I can't see him being typecast because of it,
>anymore than either actor being typecast because they played Kronos
>or Methos. I think that maybe it's just another role to them. Something
>they've enjoyed doing/or not, gotten paid for, and added to their
>resume.
Can I find these interviews anywhere, Cherna?
Susan
Susan Stansfield
Susan
"Snakes....why did it have to be snakes?"
--Indiana Jones
In article <20010210124647...@ng-fq1.aol.com>, ojag...@aol.com
Cherna
The interviews or Q & A have been appearing in The Actor's Palette,
(September 2000 & December 2000) which is the newsletter of the VPFC
(Valentine Pelka Fan Club).
Current and past issues are available for purchase at
http://www.vpfc.org/
Choose the link to Club Info if you're interested in ordering them.
Cherna
****
Susan Stansfield wrote:
> Can I find these interviews anywhere, Cherna?
Sent via Deja.com
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Patrick W. Heinske
>3D Master replied:
>
>> Of course he knew. Ever heard of Sancta Helena and particularly that Sancta
>> Helena? Or of this Tessa as the Queen of Swords? Of course not! It's just
>> Kronos waiting to burn Sancta Helena to the ground and kill everybody in
>it.
>
>Now I say:
>
>I do not subscribe to the theory that Montoya is one of Kronos'
>aliases. Therefore, I wouldn't expect Montoya to exhibit any of Kronos'
>characteristics.
>
>Your mileage may vary.
>
>Cherna
Montoya is Kronos' good twin brother...
(and he's STILL going to burn Sancta Helena to the ground, just on general
principles...)
Patrick W. Heinske
LZeit...@aol.NOSPAM.com
BronzeA...@aol.NOSPAM.com
ATH Resident Methos
ruthless
Tesa's mask as lacy because (1) that was their
fantasy and (2) they liked to write in their
journals in an overly dramatic fashion. I'm
sure the reality of the situation was that
she had a *much* better, albeit more mundane,
disguise and Montoya really couldn't recognize her.
ruthless<it's a documentary>
Cherna <che...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ya know... suspension of disbelief time here... it tickles me that
some
> viewers can't get past no one in Santa Helena figuring out who's the
> Queen of Swords behind that little lacy mask, but they're perfectly
> willing to accept the concept of immortality (Highlander-style) and
> everything that encompasses it. Think about it...
>
> I've enjoyed QoS. I admit, a large part of that enjoyment comes
> from being able to see Val Pelka as Montoya.
>
> Another thing, those viewers that can't suspend disbelief over the
whole
> 'mask' issue, never get to the 'Montoya knows and is playing a game'
> stage.
--
lady ruthless,
fair as fay-woman and fell-minded,
in the world walking for the woe of men.
-J.R.R. Tolkien
ruthless
> ><<I think they made that movie--wasn't it called THE GAY BLADE" ??
>
> Zorro, the Gay Blade...love that movie....own that movie....
>
> George Hamilton as Don Diego Vega, the son of the original Zorro.
Comes to
> California to take up the mask after his father dies...and fight the
> oppression of the Alcalde...but he sprains his foot. Shortly
thereafter,
> his twin brother Ramon arrives, having received teh same message.
However,
> Ramon is now Bunny Wigglesworth...a rather effeminate Zorro who
insists on
> wearing flashier outfits as Zorro instead of basic black. It's a fun
movie
> <g>
hmm....must watch this...and imagine Methos as the Gay Blade....
ruthless<delusional>
GinjerB
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: ojag...@aol.com (Ojagwers)
>Date: 10 Feb 2001 17:46:47 GMT
<<LOL!!!
GinjerB
Ojagwers
>I think they made that movie--wasn't it called THE GAY BLADE" ??
And someone else posted:
>> Zorro, the Gay Blade...love that movie....own that movie....
Hmm ... with *no offense whatever* to fans of this film, I found it offensive
myself -- don't like movies where the central premise is that a) all members
of *any* minority group act in a particular way and b) that this is hilarious.
JMHO ...
O
Shomeret
with a plain black mask is because there is nothing unusual about a male
bandito in a mask. He could be anyone. It's reasonable to imagine that no one
would guess that he's Don Diego.
Unfortunately, in that society a woman playing that role is extremely unusual.
How many women are there who would be capable of it? A woman in a mask
suddenly appearing on the scene when Tessa Alvarado has just arrived from Spain
becomes too obvious because of her family background. Tessa is the daughter of
a Don who was very sympathetic to the poor, and her personal sympathies are
also well known. Who else could the Queen of Swords be? That's why the Zorro
concept needed more complexity in order to work in this series.
Shomeret
GinjerB
(Shomeret) writes:
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: shom...@aol.com (Shomeret)
>Date: 11 Feb 2001 19:53:02 GMT
<<Yeah, belief kinda needs to be hung from the neck until dead, rather than
suspended, with QofS. But to me, it's not the mask--it what you point
out--Tessa and The Queen are just not differentiated as characters.
One wonders why...
GinjerB
Claire Maier
pair of glasses, then Zorro can hide behind a mask.
What did bother me about it was in the ep where Daisy Fuentes guested.
Fuentes' character wore a mask, and Tessa realized who it was because she
*recognized her voice.* I don't think that's playing fair. If one
character can hide behind a mask, then all the characters in the show
should be able to.
However, I think QoS' biggest problem is that Santiago can't act her way
out of a paper bag. She's worse than Dara T. was in "Sins of the Father."
Worse than Lorenzo Lamas. Donna and Gillian act as well as TS, judging
from hearing them read snippets of HL scripts at Cons, and listening to TS
say her lines. (I don't know which is worse-- listening to her monotone,
or looking at that vacuous expression on her face).
The second problem is the anachronisms. Tessa wanders around with her
hair down, shoulders uncovered, and no duenna. Dr. Helm uses a modern
stethoscope. (And I do mean modern. The props guy probably bought it in
a local medical supply shop.) I think about how hard HL:TS worked to get
things accurate, with all the different times and places, and QoS has
*one* time and place to worry about and they don't bother.
--
Claire Maier, Ph.D. bioa...@emory.edu CLMaier (within AOL only)
To be different is not necessarily to be ugly;
to have a different idea is not necessarily to be wrong.
The worst possible thing is for all of us to begin
to look and act and think alike.
-- Gene Roddenberry
Susan Stansfield
>On the 'Net? No.
>
>The interviews or Q & A have been appearing in The Actor's Palette,
>(September 2000 & December 2000) which is the newsletter of the VPFC
>(Valentine Pelka Fan Club).
>
>Current and past issues are available for purchase at
>http://www.vpfc.org/
Thanks Cherna. I might do that.
Susan
(has visited the fan club web site several times, BTW)
Eance
bioa...@emory.edu (Claire Maier) wrote:
>
Dr. Helm uses a modern
> stethoscope. (And I do mean modern. The props guy probably bought
it in
> a local medical supply shop.) I think about how hard HL:TS worked to
get
> things accurate, with all the different times and places, and QoS has
> *one* time and place to worry about and they don't bother.
>
LOL, Exactemundo! I kind of thought they were taking the piss when they
used a fetoscope (for listening to unborn babies). Thinking on it I
kinda gave up then...
Eance
> --
> Claire Maier, Ph.D. bioa...@emory.edu CLMaier (within AOL only)
>
> To be different is not necessarily to be ugly;
> to have a different idea is not necessarily to be wrong.
> The worst possible thing is for all of us to begin
> to look and act and think alike.
> -- Gene Roddenberry
>
Eance
or,
(plan b)Lock the Dr. up and force him to develop a really nasty plague
type virus that Tessa would steal at the last moment, (whilst freeing
and finding time to make wild passionate love to the Dr.) with fatal
consequences to herself, but saving the village from harm.
Sigh....
Eance <it was the disease that would have had fatal consequenses, not
the nooky>
Susan Stansfield
In article <20010211163902...@nso-cv.aol.com>, gin...@aol.com
(GinjerB) wrote:
><<Yeah, belief kinda needs to be hung from the neck until dead, rather
>than
>suspended, with QofS. But to me, it's not the mask--it what you point
>out--Tessa and The Queen are just not differentiated as characters.
>
>One wonders why...
They *try* to make them seem like completely different people. Tessa acts like
this delicate, fragile woman, thinking no one would suspect someone like that
capable of being the Queen of Swords. But a couple of times, she's almost
given herself away (the most recent episode comes to mind).
Susan
GinjerB
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: bioa...@emory.edu (Claire Maier)
>Date: 11 Feb 2001 22:17:28 -0500
>
>The mask never bothered me. I mean, if Clark Kent could hide behind a
>pair of glasses, then Zorro can hide behind a mask.
>
>What did bother me about it was in the ep where Daisy Fuentes guested.
>Fuentes' character wore a mask, and Tessa realized who it was because she
>*recognized her voice.* I don't think that's playing fair. If one
>character can hide behind a mask, then all the characters in the show
>should be able to.
>
>However, I think QoS' biggest problem is that Santiago can't act her way
>out of a paper bag. She's worse than Dara T. was in "Sins of the Father."
>Worse than Lorenzo Lamas. Donna and Gillian act as well as TS, judging
>from hearing them read snippets of HL scripts at Cons, and listening to TS
>say her lines. (I don't know which is worse-- listening to her monotone,
>or looking at that vacuous expression on her face).
>
>The second problem is the anachronisms. Tessa wanders around with her
>hair down, shoulders uncovered, and no duenna. Dr. Helm uses a modern
>stethoscope. (And I do mean modern. The props guy probably bought it in
>a local medical supply shop.) I think about how hard HL:TS worked to get
>things accurate, with all the different times and places, and QoS has
>*one* time and place to worry about and they don't bother.
>
>--
>Claire Maier, Ph.D. bioa...@emory.edu CLMaier (within AOL only)
>
<<I'm thinking that TS's limitations as an actress might also be the reason
that Tessa and The Queen were not differentiated more. Just MHO, but since she
can hardly do one character convincingly...
GinjerB (feeling like I'm being mean...)
GinjerB
(Susan Stansfield) writes:
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: susie...@aol.com (Susan Stansfield)
>Date: 12 Feb 2001 15:08:33 GMT
<<Well, it's true that she doesn't run around beating up on people when she's
Tessa, <g> but I don't think that she has a consistent personality outside of
that.
MHO.
GinjerB
TBird
><<Yeah, belief kinda needs to be hung from the neck until dead, rather than
>suspended, with QofS. But to me, it's not the mask--it what you point
>out--Tessa and The Queen are just not differentiated as characters.
>
>One wonders why...
>
BECAUSE THE ACTRESS SUCKS ROTTEN EGGS!!!!
TBird <---- stepping off chair and calming down now :-)
~
One of the Four HorseWomen of the ATH Gutter
~
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~
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TBird
(GinjerB) writes:
><<I'm thinking that TS's limitations as an actress might also be the reason
>that Tessa and The Queen were not differentiated more. Just MHO, but since
>she
>can hardly do one character convincingly...
>
>GinjerB (feeling like I'm being mean...)
Nope.
Stating fact.
Any first year acting student with an hour of sword training from ADL could do
a better job.
TBird <---- hell, *I* could do a better job......and I was a lousy actor
TBird
lzeit...@aol.comNOSPAM (Patrick W. Heinske) writes:
>>I do not subscribe to the theory that Montoya is one of Kronos'
>>aliases. Therefore, I wouldn't expect Montoya to exhibit any of Kronos'
>>characteristics.
>>
>>Your mileage may vary.
>>
>>Cherna
>
>Montoya is Kronos' good twin brother...
With a weird accent....separated at birth?
>(and he's STILL going to burn Sancta Helena to the ground, just on general
>principles...)
With or without Dr. Helm (Methos' questionable brother)?
TBird <----- :-)
TBird
>(plan b)Lock the Dr. up and force him to develop a really nasty plague
>type virus that Tessa would steal at the last moment, (whilst freeing
>and finding time to make wild passionate love to the Dr.) with fatal
>consequences to herself, but saving the village from harm.
>Sigh....
>
>Eance <it was the disease that would have had fatal consequenses, not
>the nooky>
BLEH.
Keep her away from Met...errr...Dr. Helm. If I have to watching him kiss
someone - let's bring back Bo Derek's character, the Pirate Matriarch.
TBird <----- we're the pirates who don't do anything..... <--- sorry, having a
Veggie Tales moment
Patrick W. Heinske
>>
>>Eance <it was the disease that would have had fatal consequenses, not
>>the nooky>
>
>
>BLEH.
>Keep her away from Met...errr...Dr. Helm. If I have to watching him kiss
>someone - let's bring back Bo Derek's character, the Pirate Matriarch.
>
I just read somewhere that Daisy Fuentes was a guest star.. to Hell with Bo,
bring back Daisy, whoever she played! If she dies, then bring back a twin
sister!
Whoohoo! <eg>
DonnaLetto
><<I'm thinking that TS's limitations as an actress might also be the reason
>that Tessa and The Queen were not differentiated more. Just MHO, but since
>she
>can hardly do one character convincingly...
If you listen to the words -- not how they're delivered, but how they're
written -- I think you'll hear three different characters there. The Queen,
the real Tessa, and the Tessa facade.
Donna
TBird
(DonnaLetto) writes:
>If you listen to the words -- not how they're delivered, but how they're
>written -- I think you'll hear three different characters there. The Queen,
>the real Tessa, and the Tessa facade.
But she's so distractingly terrible......
If I really knock myself out I can see it - but I'm doing all her work for her,
and that's just not enjoyable.
I love PW to bits, I would love to see this show take off....but the lead is
far too horrible to let it fly.
TBird <---- SHUT YER MOUTH!!!!
Susan Stansfield
In article <20010212201917...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
lzeit...@aol.comNOSPAM (Patrick W. Heinske) wrote:
>I just read somewhere that Daisy Fuentes was a guest star.. to Hell with
>Bo,
>bring back Daisy, whoever she played! If she dies, then bring back a twin
>sister!
>
>Whoohoo! <eg>
Didn't you see that ep, Patrick? If not, I can fill you in on the details.
Susan
(has seen every QoS ep that's ever aired so far)
GinjerB
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: donna...@aol.com (DonnaLetto)
>Date: 13 Feb 2001 04:51:49 GMT
<<Yes, but--
-The Tessa facade, IMHO, is inconsistent. Sometimes she's shy and sweet .
Sometimes she's seductive. Sometimes she seems to admire The Queen, and share
her concern for the peons. Sometimes she agrees that the Queen is a Bad Guy.
Etc.
Now, would it make a difference if she were more clearly drawn? Probably not.
TS is just a very limited actress...
GinjerB (but she has great hair!)
Jette Goldie
GinjerB <gin...@aol.com> wrote in
> -The Tessa facade, IMHO, is inconsistent. Sometimes she's shy and sweet .
> Sometimes she's seductive.
Aren't we all at different times?
(and sometimes we're all business, and sometimes we're
really bitchy, etc, etc)
--
Jette
Glory may be fleeting, but obscurity is forever!
boss...@scotlandmail.com
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
GinjerB
<boss...@scotlandmail.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: Queen of Swords cancelled
>From: "Jette Goldie" <boss...@scotlandmail.com>
>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:09:54 -0000
>
>
>GinjerB <gin...@aol.com> wrote in
>> -The Tessa facade, IMHO, is inconsistent. Sometimes she's shy and sweet .
>> Sometimes she's seductive.
>
>Aren't we all at different times?
>
>(and sometimes we're all business, and sometimes we're
>really bitchy, etc, etc)
>
>--
>Jette
<<Yeah, but in teevee land, if your'e going to have a cover identity so you can
be a Masked Hero, that cover identity is usually consistent.
Clark Kent, mild mannered reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper, was just
that.
Don Diego was always the spoiled, weak son.
Bruce Wayne was the millionaire playboy.
Etc.
GinjerB
Patrick W. Heinske
>lzeit...@aol.comNOSPAM (Patrick W. Heinske) wrote:
>
>>I just read somewhere that Daisy Fuentes was a guest star.. to Hell with
>>Bo,
>>bring back Daisy, whoever she played! If she dies, then bring back a twin
>>sister!
>>
>>Whoohoo! <eg>
>
>Didn't you see that ep, Patrick? If not, I can fill you in on the details.
>
>Susan
>(has seen every QoS ep that's ever aired so far)
>
Nope - I've only seen the pilot episode, but I have the first ten on tape, so
I'll see them all eventually...
What did I miss?
Kristina
wrote:
>TBird <----- we're the pirates who don't do anything..... <--- sorry, having a
>Veggie Tales moment
I have a baby kangaroo....
Kristina <loves Veggie Tales><g>
*~*~*~*
"This is how it seems to me,
life is only therapy,
real expensive and no guarantees."
- "You Move Me" by Garth Brooks
One of the Four Horsewomen of the ATH Gutter
Claire Maier
: ><<I'm thinking that TS's limitations as an actress might also be the reason
: >that Tessa and The Queen were not differentiated more. Just MHO, but since
: >she
: >can hardly do one character convincingly...
: >
: >GinjerB (feeling like I'm being mean...)
: Nope.
: Stating fact.
: Any first year acting student with an hour of sword training from ADL could do
: a better job.
Well, TS had a *lot* of sword training from ADL, but the editing cuts back
and forth so fast you can hardly see what she's doing.
But the acting, or lack thereof, is the problem. There are 5-year-olds in
commercials that can act rings around TS. Everytime I see her in QoS, I
wonder, "What on earth were they thinking?" Yeah, she looks great, but
QoS isn't a modeling gig.
--
Claire Maier, Ph.D. bioa...@emory.edu CLMaier (within AOL only)
To be different is not necessarily to be ugly;
Susan Stansfield
In article <20010213220553...@ng-cm1.aol.com>,
lzeit...@aol.comNOSPAM (Patrick W. Heinske) wrote:
>susie...@aol.com (Susan Stansfield) wrote:
>
>
>>lzeit...@aol.comNOSPAM (Patrick W. Heinske) wrote:
>>
>>>I just read somewhere that Daisy Fuentes was a guest star.. to Hell with
>>>Bo,
>>>bring back Daisy, whoever she played! If she dies, then bring back a
>twin
>>>sister!
>>>
>>>Whoohoo! <eg>
>>
>>Didn't you see that ep, Patrick? If not, I can fill you in on the details.
>>
>>Susan
>>(has seen every QoS ep that's ever aired so far)
>>
>
>Nope - I've only seen the pilot episode, but I have the first ten on tape,
>so
>I'll see them all eventually...
>
>What did I miss?
Daisy Fuentes played one of a gang of 3 bandits. The other 2 were her brother
and her boyfriend. The boyfriend also happened to be a childhood friend of
Tessa's.
Susan