What happens when a mortal beheads an immortal?
Lee Hoffner
If a mortal beheads an immortal, what happens with the quickening and all that?
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Nancy Scholem
In <lhoffner-070...@d159.w.interaccess.com>
it seems that nothing happens. cite the episode when darius gets
killed by that watcher guy, what was his name??
SUQKRT
The Renegade Watcher who killed Darius was Horton
Sue
RBowling
In article <4p9skc$o...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, aus...@ix.netcom.com
(Nancy Scholem) writes:
>If a mortal beheads an immortal, what happens with the quickening and
>all that?
>>
>>--
>>Lee Hoffner.
>>lhof...@interaccess.com
>
>
>it seems that nothing happens. cite the episode when darius gets
>killed by that watcher guy, what was his name??
>
>
>
Horton.
Also there was the early episode with Horton right after Darius' demise
with the English Immortal he was going to behead in the French tradition
who shouted something to the effect that there were no other immortals
around and that he would be wasted. Obviously then the quickening
dissapates and there is no dramatic/destructive demo..
RBowling
SUQKRT
The English Immortal about to be guillotined was Fitzcairn who was later
beheaded by Kalas. Fitzcairn was played by Roger Daltry. Who was a
rosksinger with the Who. He also starred in the movie version of the rock
opera Tommy.
Sue
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Donald Richard
> >If a mortal beheads an immortal, what happens with the quickening and
> all that?
> >
> killed by that watcher guy, what was his name??
No I believe that it goes to an immortal that is nearby, how near Im not
sure, but the quickening doesnt always go to someone who has won in
combat, the time with the immortal who loved trains and was mentally
slow, he did not lose in combat, he was decapitated by a train, and
Ritchie got the quicking. Ritchie did not kill him by sword, he did'nt
even kill him at all. I dont think the quickening could travel very far
if there were no nearby immortals, it would probably ground out.
Another interesting point: what if there were two immortals present
during one quickening, would both receive it? We see in the train guy
episode that it doesnt matter if someone does the beheading or not, the
quickening just occurs regardless.
-Donald Case-Northern Arizona University-
Mattael
In an early episode with Amanda, she pushes Duncan aside just after Duncan
has beheaded an Immortal and receives the quckening. Duncan can't be more
than 10 feet away, but because Amanda is standing right over the dead
Immortal, she gets it. (As it should be. If any one of these people is
destined to rule over mankind, I hope it's Amanda.)
-Michael
kit mason
On 8 Jun 1996, RBowling wrote:
> In article <4p9skc$o...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, aus...@ix.netcom.com
> (Nancy Scholem) writes:
>
> >If a mortal beheads an immortal, what happens with the quickening and
> >all that?
> >>
> >>--
> >>Lee Hoffner.
> >>lhof...@interaccess.com
> >
> >
> >it seems that nothing happens. cite the episode when darius gets
> >killed by that watcher guy, what was his name??
> >
>
> Horton.
>
> Also there was the early episode with Horton right after Darius' demise
> with the English Immortal he was going to behead in the French tradition
> who shouted something to the effect that there were no other immortals
> around and that he would be wasted. Obviously then the quickening
> dissapates and there is no dramatic/destructive demo..
>
We don't know what happens. None of us were there when Darius was killed.
Fitz said that everything he was would be lost if there were no other
immortals around -- but we don't know whether there would have been a
light show draining into the ground or not.
Kit
Kathleen Kelley
NOT. The episode I think you're referring to is The Lady and The Tiger.
Amanda may push Duncan aside, but it's to take Zachary's head. She does
the beheading -- she receives the quickening.
We've never seen an episode where one immortal beheads another and a
third receives the quickening.
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Donald Richard
> > >If a mortal beheads an immortal, what happens with the quickening and
> > all that?
> > it seems that nothing happens. cite the episode when darius gets
> > killed by that watcher guy, what was his name??
No I believe that it goes to an immortal that is nearby, how near Im
Donald Richard
But it may be possible, hence the train guy and ritchie, when the train
guy put his head on the tracks and kinda took his own head, Ritche
still got the quickening. It was a freebie.
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Angel
Donald Richard (dr...@dana.ucc.nau.edu) wrote:
: > >If a mortal beheads an immortal, what happens with the quickening and
: > all that?
: > >
: > it seems that nothing happens. cite the episode when darius gets
: > killed by that watcher guy, what was his name??
:
: No I believe that it goes to an immortal that is nearby, how near Im not
: sure, but the quickening doesnt always go to someone who has won in
: combat, the time with the immortal who loved trains and was mentally
: slow, he did not lose in combat, he was decapitated by a train, and
: Ritchie got the quicking. Ritchie did not kill him by sword, he did'nt
: even kill him at all.
Wrong. Richie did kill him. He led Mikey to the tunnel to kill him. Just
because it wasn't a combat situation doesn't mean a thing, Mikey was
going to die anyway, he knew it so he put his head on the track. The
quickening went to Richie not because of him being close, but because he
basically killed him, because of his actions.
Robb
catcon
In "The Innocent Man" Duncan and Tessa are hiking, just as Duncan's old friend is
beheaded. You can hear the quickening begin and Duncan falls to the ground. I assumed
it was "quickening fall-out"
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Donald Richard
> : No I believe that it goes to an immortal that is nearby, how near Im not
> : sure, but the quickening doesnt always go to someone who has won in
> : combat, the time with the immortal who loved trains and was mentally
> : slow, he did not lose in combat, he was decapitated by a train, and
> : Ritchie got the quicking. Ritchie did not kill him by sword, he did'nt
> : even kill him at all.
>
> Wrong. Richie did kill him. He led Mikey to the tunnel to kill him. Just
> because it wasn't a combat situation doesn't mean a thing, Mikey was
> going to die anyway, he knew it so he put his head on the track. The
> quickening went to Richie not because of him being close, but because he
> basically killed him, because of his actions.
>
> Robb
Robb,
I may be able to agree with that If and only if you show proof that it
could not happen. I dont think that his leading him there to kill
him had any effect on the quickening that ensued. What if an
immortal commits suicide in front of two others, where does the
precious quickening go then? Just food for thought. Good watching.
-Donald Case-Northern Arizona University-
Barbara Lee
> Donald Richard (dr...@dana.ucc.nau.edu) wrote:
> : > >If a mortal beheads an immortal, what happens with the quickening and
> : > all that?
> : > >
> : > it seems that nothing happens. cite the episode when darius gets
> : > killed by that watcher guy, what was his name??
> :
> : No I believe that it goes to an immortal that is nearby, how near Im not
> : sure, but the quickening doesnt always go to someone who has won in
> : combat, the time with the immortal who loved trains and was mentally
> : slow, he did not lose in combat, he was decapitated by a train, and
> : Ritchie got the quicking. Ritchie did not kill him by sword, he did'nt
> : even kill him at all.
>
> Wrong. Richie did kill him. He led Mikey to the tunnel to kill him. Just
> because it wasn't a combat situation doesn't mean a thing, Mikey was
> going to die anyway, he knew it so he put his head on the track. The
> quickening went to Richie not because of him being close, but because he
> basically killed him, because of his actions.
Not "wrong," just a different opinion. Richie did not kill
Mikey--Mikey could just as easily have run away from him
instead of giving up and putting his head on the tracks.
The involvement theory is interesting, but it is not a fact,
just a hypothesis; it has not been proven in the series, and
you can't say that you *know* that Richie got the quickening
because the quickening psychically knew his intentions were
to kill Mikey--Richie just as likely (more likely in my opinion)
got the quickening because he simply happened to be close by
when Mikey lost his head.
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In the episode where the Watcher guys tried to kill (fill in his name)
with a guillotine (or however it's spelled) he said that "there will be
no quickening" so I guess when a mortal kills an immortal, the immortal's
power and knowledge go to waste as there is no quickening. If there was
and it goes to the closest immortal, it wouldn't make sense as the
closest immortal would have gained the power and knowledge for nothing.
In the train episode, I think that the quickening went to Richie because
it was his intention to kill Mikey and yes, he sort of _did_ kill him by
his actions.
Chop
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Donald Richard
> Not "wrong," just a different opinion. Richie did not kill
> Mikey--Mikey could just as easily have run away from him
> instead of giving up and putting his head on the tracks.
> The involvement theory is interesting, but it is not a fact,
> just a hypothesis; it has not been proven in the series, and
> you can't say that you *know* that Richie got the quickening
> because the quickening psychically knew his intentions were
> to kill Mikey--Richie just as likely (more likely in my opinion)
> got the quickening because he simply happened to be close by
> when Mikey lost his head.
I couldnt agree more, so I still draw the conclusion that you dont have
to kill an immortal to recieve the quickening, if you are an immortal
you could get it if your close enough. But what if two immortals are
close to a quickening like the one from Mikey, who gets it, do they
both, and then what if one kills an immortal and two are standing in
the same spot, do they share it?
-Donald Case-Northern Arizona University-
Your Name
In article
<Pine.SOL.3.91.960610212...@dana.ucc.nau.edu>,
dr...@dana.ucc.nau.edu says...
>
> Another interesting point: what if there were two immortals present dur
>ing one quickening, would both receive it? We see in the train guy
> episode that it doesnt matter if someone does the beheading or not, the
> quickening just occurs regardless.
> -Donald Case-Northern Arizona University-
the top of my head. In Paris. Amanda is working in a circus, immortal
escapes from prison. Amanda and guy attempt to steal something from a
museum. Duncan foils the theft. Duncan and guy fight is a restaurant.
They crash through a window into a courtyard. Duncan beats the guy but
before he can take the guys head, Amanda steps in and whacks the guy and
takes the quickening. Amanda was closer so I guess proximity has something
to do with it.
Dayspring
Donald Richard <dr...@dana.ucc.nau.edu> wrote:
> I couldnt agree more, so I still draw the conclusion that you dont have
>to kill an immortal to recieve the quickening, if you are an immortal
>you could get it if your close enough. But what if two immortals are
>close to a quickening like the one from Mikey, who gets it, do they
>both, and then what if one kills an immortal and two are standing in
>the same spot, do they share it?
>-Donald Case-Northern Arizona University-
I believe that if an immortal kills another, they get the Quickening, no
matter whether an immortal convention is going on and another is actually
clinging to the newly dead one. According to my theories about how the
Quickening works (see my post about "Life, Immortality, and Everything"),
cutting through the neck completely touches the two life forces together,
giving it to the one who did it.
Now if two were right next to an immortal who did the train track thing,
I think it would go to the closer one. There is really no such thing as
being the exact same distance from anything as someone else. No matter
how close you try to get, you are still different distances (even if it
goes down to millionths of inches and further). Of course, it also might
go to the immortal who has more power? I'm not sure about this one
though.
Matt
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In article <Nimue001-140...@barbaralee.ucsc.edu> Nimu...@aol.com (Barbara Lee) writes:
>
>Not "wrong," just a different opinion. Richie did not kill
>Mikey--Mikey could just as easily have run away from him
>instead of giving up and putting his head on the tracks.
>The involvement theory is interesting, but it is not a fact,
>just a hypothesis; it has not been proven in the series, and
>you can't say that you *know* that Richie got the quickening
>because the quickening psychically knew his intentions were
>to kill Mikey--Richie just as likely (more likely in my opinion)
>got the quickening because he simply happened to be close by
>when Mikey lost his head.
Thanks, Barb. The 'proximity' vs. 'proximate cause' debate is one of the
oldest on the 'net -- and there simply isn't enough evidence to prove either
side.
Yet.
It's my understanding that One Minute To Midnight will answer this question
definitively.
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In article <4pssfa$m...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> "Sophia S. Chang" <sain...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>In the episode where the Watcher guys tried to kill (fill in his name)
>with a guillotine (or however it's spelled) he said that "there will be
>no quickening" so I guess when a mortal kills an immortal, the immortal's
>power and knowledge go to waste as there is no quickening. If there was
>and it goes to the closest immortal, it wouldn't make sense as the
>closest immortal would have gained the power and knowledge for nothing.
His name was Fitzcairn, and what he said was 'there are no Immortals here,
all that I am will be lost.' Lending credence to the idea that if another
Immortal were present, they would get the Q, no matter who or what did the
beheading.
Patricia Shanahan
Velia Tanner and Friends wrote:
>
> In article <4pssfa$m...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> "Sophia S. Chang" <sain...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> >In the episode where the Watcher guys tried to kill (fill in his name)
> >with a guillotine (or however it's spelled) he said that "there will be
> >no quickening" so I guess when a mortal kills an immortal, the immortal's
> >power and knowledge go to waste as there is no quickening. If there was
> >and it goes to the closest immortal, it wouldn't make sense as the
> >closest immortal would have gained the power and knowledge for nothing.
>
> His name was Fitzcairn, and what he said was 'there are no Immortals here,
> all that I am will be lost.' Lending credence to the idea that if another
> Immortal were present, they would get the Q, no matter who or what did the
> beheading.
While in general I agree with the theory that any nearby immortal would
have got the quickening, this incident is not quite conclusive. If it
were the case that only an immortal who had a part in the killing got
the quickening, then Fitzcairn would have expected to be taken to an
immortal who would behead him.
Also, it may be the case that one immortal paying to have another
beheaded may be enough involvement to make them able to receive the
quickening. It does still leave open the question of what would happen
if a totally uninvolved immortal happened to wander by just as an
immortal was getting beheaded by accident, suicide, or hunters.
Patricia Shanahan
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pbear
I watch alot of highlander and I still don't get it about the heads
and rules of being a immortal, can somebody HELP ME!!!!
pbear
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> I watch alot of highlander and I still don't get it about the heads
> and rules of being a immortal, can somebody HELP ME!!!!
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Dayspring <mmn...@vms.cis.pitt.edu> wrote:
>> I couldnt agree more, so I still draw the conclusion that you dont have
>>to kill an immortal to recieve the quickening, if you are an immortal
>>you could get it if your close enough. But what if two immortals are
>>close to a quickening like the one from Mikey, who gets it, do they
>>both, and then what if one kills an immortal and two are standing in
>>the same spot, do they share it?
>>-Donald Case-Northern Arizona University-
>I believe that if an immortal kills another, they get the Quickening, no
>matter whether an immortal convention is going on and another is actually
>clinging to the newly dead one. According to my theories about how the
>Quickening works (see my post about "Life, Immortality, and Everything"),
>cutting through the neck completely touches the two life forces together,
>giving it to the one who did it.
I agree with you on this point. Remember the episode where an
immortal escaped from jail and went after Amanda (when she was working
at the circus)? And then later on, she (attempted) pulled off a heist
with him in some museum. Well in the end of the episode, MacLeod was
fighting the immie and right when he was about to kill the bad immie,
Amanda came up and "stole" the Quickening from MacLeod by chopping the
bad immie's head off.
Sorry I couldn't remember the name of the bad guy...
Phil Epstein
Jeff Wagner
What about the episode where (in a flashback) DM is about to be beheaded for
poaching a deer in "the king's forest." Another immortal saves him in the
nick of time, then tries to take Duncan's head later, after having first
gotten him drunk. When Duncan asks why he wd save his life only to take it
from him, the other immortal says something like "why waste the quickening?"
This suggests that in fact an immortal must take the head in order for there
to be a quickening.
D.S.
Omega Man
Jeff Wagner <la...@well.com> wrote:
{D.S.
That doesn't explain the episode where Duncan fought a Russian
Immortal and knocked him over the side of a ship. The R. Immortal was
then beheaded, not by Duncan, but by the rotating blades of the ship's
propellers. But, Duncan received the Quickening anyway.
Omega Man
jg...@uno.edu
Hey Donald, I got an idea for ya to think about. In the first eps
Amanda was in a high wire act "under the big top". At the end of that
ep , she took off her partner's head and the camera showed DM suprised.
I can't figure out why he was suprised. Maybe that had something to do with
it.
Sorry for not remembering the ep's name.
Jeff
pr...@sound.net
>What about the episode where (in a flashback) DM is about to be beheaded for
>poaching a deer in "the king's forest." Another immortal saves him in the
>nick of time, then tries to take Duncan's head later, after having first
>gotten him drunk. When Duncan asks why he wd save his life only to take it
>from him, the other immortal says something like "why waste the quickening?"
>This suggests that in fact an immortal must take the head in order for there
>to be a quickening.
>D.S.
Hey, good point! Until I read that, I was strongly of the opinion
that an immortal didn't have to participate in the beheading to
receive the quickening. If he/she DOES have to take part in the
beheading, then that suggests that whatever secret lies behind
immortality and quickenings is not a hard, cold, scientific
phenomenon. Rather, it is an intelligence that watches with interest
to see who takes the head of who, and how he/she did it. In short,
somewhere there is an IMMORTAL REFEREE.
Philip Epstein
jg...@uno.edu wrote:
>Hey Donald, I got an idea for ya to think about. In the first eps
>Amanda was in a high wire act "under the big top". At the end of that
>ep , she took off her partner's head and the camera showed DM suprised.
>I can't figure out why he was suprised. Maybe that had something to do with
>it.
As I recall, she took her partner's (not really her partner, just a
temporary arrangement so he could get MacLeod's head) head AFTER
Duncan had already beaten the crap out of her. He was surprised
because she "stole" his quickening.
Phil Epstein
Barbara J. Nelson
jg...@uno.edu wrote:
>
> Hey Donald, I got an idea for ya to think about. In the first eps
> Amanda was in a high wire act "under the big top". At the end of that
> ep , she took off her partner's head and the camera showed DM suprised.
> I can't figure out why he was suprised. Maybe that had something to do with
> it.
>
>
> Jeff
I'm not Donald, but... the ep your referring to is Lady and the Tiger.
The reason Duncan is surprised when Amanda takes Blaine's head is that
Duncan had been fighting Blaine and was just about to take his head when
Amanda snuck up from behind and took it - thus taking the quickening.
In my opinion thats a blatant abuse of the "only one on one" rule.
BJ :)
Forrest Hurley
On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:52:42 GMT, pr...@sound.net wrote:
>>What about the episode where (in a flashback) DM is about to be beheaded for
>>poaching a deer in "the king's forest." Another immortal saves him in the
>>nick of time, then tries to take Duncan's head later, after having first
>>gotten him drunk. When Duncan asks why he wd save his life only to take it
>>from him, the other immortal says something like "why waste the quickening?"
>>This suggests that in fact an immortal must take the head in order for there
>>to be a quickening.
>Hey, good point! Until I read that, I was strongly of the opinion
>that an immortal didn't have to participate in the beheading to
>receive the quickening. If he/she DOES have to take part in the
>beheading, then that suggests that whatever secret lies behind
>immortality and quickenings is not a hard, cold, scientific
>phenomenon. Rather, it is an intelligence that watches with interest
>to see who takes the head of who, and how he/she did it. In short,
>somewhere there is an IMMORTAL REFEREE.
>
Ritchie didn't take the head of the retarded immortal. That immortal
put his head on the track and was beheaded by a moving train. Ritchie
still recieved his quickening. In the case of Duncan's dubious hero, I
imagine it would be a little hard to explain recieving the quickening
while a bunch of superstitious men with swords and an axe are standing
around.
Just a thought, maybe the immortal needs to be within a certain
distance of the body for the quickening to make the jump or else it
dissapates or goes to ground, rather like electricity. Though, it
might be interesting to see one die without another immortal around
just to see what would happen.
Forrest
adrian b penalo
About the postings below, please, people! Every fan of Highlander know
that in order for an immortal to receive a quickening he/she must chop
other immortal's head! The quickening may be seen as the immortality
"force" within immortals, and only killing that immortal (chopping his/her
head) the quickening can be released or transfer.
pr...@sound.net wrote:
: >What about the episode where (in a flashback) DM is about to be beheaded for
: >poaching a deer in "the king's forest." Another immortal saves him in the
: >nick of time, then tries to take Duncan's head later, after having first
: >gotten him drunk. When Duncan asks why he wd save his life only to take it
: >from him, the other immortal says something like "why waste the
: >quickening?". This suggests that in fact an immortal must take the head
: >in order for there to be a quickening.
: >D.S.
: Hey, good point! Until I read that, I was strongly of the opinion
: that an immortal didn't have to participate in the beheading to
: receive the quickening. If he/she DOES have to take part in the
: beheading, then that suggests that whatever secret lies behind
: immortality and quickenings is not a hard, cold, scientific
: phenomenon. Rather, it is an intelligence that watches with interest
: to see who takes the head of who, and how he/she did it. In short,
: somewhere there is an IMMORTAL REFEREE.
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> Greetings,
>
> My name is Anita and I'm new on to the group. In answer to your
> question, (What happens when a mortal beheads an imme?); The imme of
> course, loses his head and dies. However, the quicking or transfer of
> all the knowledge, life-experiences, etc.., never gets transfered. The
> mortal would not be able to accept the power anyway. So the dead imme's
> body and power is left, never to be gained by another imme.
you can contact me at: ani...@u.washington.edu
Donald Richard
On 21 Jun 1996, adrian b penalo wrote:
> About the postings below, please, people! Every fan of Highlander know
> that in order for an immortal to receive a quickening he/she must chop
> other immortal's head! The quickening may be seen as the immortality
> "force" within immortals, and only killing that immortal (chopping his/her
> head) the quickening can be released or transfer.
No ap (good initials) refer once again to the Mikey/Richie
episode and the one where Duncan gets a q when the other immies head is
cut off in the ships rotors. Also when the immortal (names) is in the
guillotine and he says " there are no immortals here, the quickening
will be wasted. Any true hl fan knows that they don't know it all and
should be willing to investigate other hypothesis.
-Donald Case Northern Arizona University-
Nehoc
hur...@halcyon.com (Forrest Hurley) wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:52:42 GMT, pr...@sound.net wrote:
>>>What about the episode where (in a flashback) DM is about to be beheaded for
>>>poaching a deer in "the king's forest." Another immortal saves him in the
>>>nick of time, then tries to take Duncan's head later, after having first
>>>gotten him drunk. When Duncan asks why he wd save his life only to take it
>>>from him, the other immortal says something like "why waste the quickening?"
>>>This suggests that in fact an immortal must take the head in order for there
>>>to be a quickening.
>>Hey, good point! Until I read that, I was strongly of the opinion
>>that an immortal didn't have to participate in the beheading to
>>receive the quickening. If he/she DOES have to take part in the
>>beheading, then that suggests that whatever secret lies behind
>>immortality and quickenings is not a hard, cold, scientific
>>phenomenon. Rather, it is an intelligence that watches with interest
>>to see who takes the head of who, and how he/she did it. In short,
>>somewhere there is an IMMORTAL REFEREE.
>>
>Ritchie didn't take the head of the retarded immortal. That immortal
>put his head on the track and was beheaded by a moving train. Ritchie
>still recieved his quickening. In the case of Duncan's dubious hero, I
>imagine it would be a little hard to explain recieving the quickening
>while a bunch of superstitious men with swords and an axe are standing
>around.
>Just a thought, maybe the immortal needs to be within a certain
>distance of the body for the quickening to make the jump or else it
>dissapates or goes to ground, rather like electricity. Though, it
>might be interesting to see one die without another immortal around
>just to see what would happen.
>Forrest
I think that the discrepencies in these two cases show that to recieve
the quickening, the immie must be involved in combat (DM) or a
conflict (Ritchie) which lead to the immortal's death, just being
nearby (like the immortal that saved Mac from the beheading by the
King's men) and not involved with what would lead Mac to be killed
would not give him the quickening.
-Dave
Slug42
wasnt there an episode where Horton teamed up w/ an Immie and and killed
them, but St. Cloud got the Q?
or am I mental?
slug42
anyway, if Immies keep killing each other, how come there isn't a string
of "serial killer" news stories. Duncan just walks away from the bodies,
so what happens to them?!?!?
C. PAIGE FOSTER
In article <4qa03a$5...@guitar.sound.net> prism wrote:
>>What about the episode where (in a flashback) DM is about to be beheaded f
>or
>>poaching a deer in "the king's forest." Another immortal saves him in
> the
>>nick of time, then tries to take Duncan's head later, after having first
>>gotten him drunk. When Duncan asks why he wd save his life only to take i
>t
>>from him, the other immortal says something like "why waste the
> quickening?"
>>This suggests that in fact an immortal must take the head in order for
> there
>>to be a quickening.
>
>>D.S.
>
>Hey, good point! Until I read that, I was strongly of the opinion
>that an immortal didn't have to participate in the beheading to
>receive the quickening. If he/she DOES have to take part in the
>beheading, then that suggests that whatever secret lies behind
>immortality and quickenings is not a hard, cold, scientific
>phenomenon. Rather, it is an intelligence that watches with interest
>to see who takes the head of who, and how he/she did it. In short,
>somewhere there is an IMMORTAL REFEREE.
Yeah, but what about the ep (I can never remember the title - sorry) where
one of DM's mortal pals challenges an immortal to a duel and threatens (in
ignorance of the whole immie thing) to take his head? The evil immie winks
at DM and says "now that *would* be a show, wouldn't it?", implying that
there would be a quickening released because another immie - DM - would be
present. Btw, I always thought that the bad guy in the poaching ep just
didn't want to take a quickening in front of all those mortal witnesses.
Paige
"Lord what fools these mortals be!" -- Puck, (A Midsummer Night's Dream)
Barbara J. Nelson
I agree with you up to the point of "never to be gained by another
immie". I don't think that can happen. Rather, I believe that when an
immie dies with no other immie taking the quickening then that
quickening goes back into the Earth Mother and is reborn as a new
pre-immie. (The seeds of this idea were from another member of this
group - a truly fine idea - but the Earth Mother part is my fantasy :) )
Anyway, this is where new pre-immies come from and will continue to come
untill "ALL" quickenings reside in only one (or perhaps they are shared
by more that one "good" immortals left at the end who would all rather
forgo the "grand Prize" than to kill another good immortal just for the
greed of it.)
BJ :)
Claire Maier
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Distribution:
Hmmm... people who post "every fan of Highlander know [sic] that..."
should be very sure their facts are accurate, or they are going to come
off looking like foolish newbies.
We have seen 3 quickenings where an inanimate object was what actually
cut an immie's head off. Alexei Voshin (Sea Witch) was beheaded by a
ship propeller, and Carlos Sendaro (Saving Grace) and Mikey Bellow (The
Innocent) were beheaded by trains. Now, there has been some controversy
regarding whether the transfer of quickening actually needed an immortal
to set things in motion, or whether an immortal simply needs to be within
range to receive it. This is going to be settled in "One Minute to
Midnight," apparently. But the quickening does not require an immortal
to be the one to deliver the coup de grace. However, there has to be one
at least nearby.
adrian b penalo (apen...@serss1.fiu.edu) wrote:
: About the postings below, please, people! Every fan of Highlander know
: that in order for an immortal to receive a quickening he/she must chop
: other immortal's head! The quickening may be seen as the immortality
: "force" within immortals, and only killing that immortal (chopping his/her
: head) the quickening can be released or transfer.
:
: pr...@sound.net wrote:
: : >What about the episode where (in a flashback) DM is about to be beheaded for
: : >poaching a deer in "the king's forest." Another immortal saves him in the
: : >nick of time, then tries to take Duncan's head later, after having first
: : >gotten him drunk. When Duncan asks why he wd save his life only to take it
: : >from him, the other immortal says something like "why waste the
: : >quickening?". This suggests that in fact an immortal must take the head
Banzai88
In article <4qghjq$1...@news-e2d.gnn.com>, PAI...@gnn.com (C. PAIGE FOSTER)
writes:
>Btw, I always thought that the bad guy in the poaching ep just
>didn't want to take a quickening in front of all those mortal witnesses.
>
>
That's how I see it. Also, he might not have been close enough. Remember,
he shot the first guy, and we didn't see Browning (the Immortal in
question) until pretty much the end of the fight.
Chris - 22 Jun 96
(wonder how long *this* will take to post?)
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rin...@tcrbbs.com
SL>wasnt there an episode where Horton teamed up w/ an Immie and and killed
SL>them, but St. Cloud got the Q?
SL>or am I mental?
Yes, you are right, it was in the 2 parter, The unholy alliance.
But the question of an immortal losing his head to a mortal has been
answered, it is wasted. Fitz cried out about theat when Horton was about
to behead him in the first episode we saw him in.
SL>anyway, if Immies keep killing each other, how come there isn't a string
SL>of "serial killer" news stories. Duncan just walks away from the bodies,
SL>so what happens to them?!?!?
I too have wondered about that, since in a couple of episodes
there is an immortal bein ghunted down for questioning because of a
headless body. I know, the watchers must cart the bodies off. :)
Rinault
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Patricia Shanahan
Sophia S. Chang wrote:
...
> In the episode where the Watcher guys tried to kill (fill in his name)
> with a guillotine (or however it's spelled) he said that "there will be
> no quickening" so I guess when a mortal kills an immortal, the immortal's
> power and knowledge go to waste as there is no quickening. If there was
> and it goes to the closest immortal, it wouldn't make sense as the
> closest immortal would have gained the power and knowledge for nothing.
> it was his intention to kill Mikey and yes, he sort of _did_ kill him by
> his actions.
>
> Chop
> "There can only be one, but there are a couple thousand"
As far as I can tell most of the actual information is consistent with
either of two theories:
A. If there is an immortal within buzz range, there will be a
quickening. If the beheading was done by an immortal, that is the one
that gets the quickening, otherwise its the closest immortal within buzz
range. If the nearest immortal is too far away to have sensed the
recently deceased one, there is no quickening.
B. If no immortal has the slightest touch of involvement in a beheading,
there is no quickening. If immortals are involved, no matter how
indirectly, the quickening goes to the most directly and immediately
involved immortal.
The case of the immortal who rescued Duncan from being beheaded by
mortals, and then later tried to kill him, is consistent with both
theories.
If A is correct, he would have had to run away to get out of buzz range
to avoid the quickening before Duncan died, or he would have been
pinpointed and incapacitated. At that point the mortals would probably
have decided he was a witch, or a poacher, or both and beheaded him.
If B is correct there would have been no quickening.
The one piece of evidence that tips me slightly towards A is Fitzcairn's
reaction to seeing the guillotine. His concern was that there was no
immortal present. If theory A were true that would have meant no
quickening. If theory B were true he would have cared more whether an
immortal was behind the plot to kill him than whether one was physically
present, since that would be the determining factor in whether his
quickening was lost.
Patricia Shanahan
Ps...@cris.com
Patricia Shanahan
Slug42 wrote:
...
> anyway, if Immies keep killing each other, how come there isn't a string
We don't actually know that Duncan always just walks away. Usually, the
quickening is immediately before a commercial break, and he has had
time to change his clothes and comb his hair between the quickening and
the next scene. He may in some cases have disposed of the body as well.
I think the universe that the series takes place in is very similar, but
not identical, to the real one in which we live. It differs not only in
the existence of immortals, but in all natural consequences of their
existence.
Killing by beheading is much commoner than it is in the real world. It
is still unusual enough to cause some comment. In our world it is so
rare that the police tend to assume a serial killer any time it happens
to multiple people within a few years of each other. In the series
universe, there are enough beheadings in different locations that the
police KNOW it can't be a single serial killer.
Even the best run hospitals have an increased tendency to lose track of
dead bodies and critically injured patients, so such things don't cause
much comment.
Because people sometimes recover from brain injuries that in our world
would be 100% fatal, organ transplants from dead humans never developed.
Patricia Shanahan
Ps...@cris.com
Barbara J. Nelson
rin...@tcrbbs.com wrote:
>
> SL>wasnt there an episode where Horton teamed up w/ an Immie and and killed
> SL>them, but St. Cloud got the Q?
> SL>or am I mental?
>
> Yes, you are right, it was in the 2 parter, The unholy alliance.
No, not really. Horton and his henchmen shot and temporarily killed
immortals, but it was St. Cloud who cut off the heads and took the
quickenings.
BJ :)
>snip<
>
> SL>anyway, if Immies keep killing each other, how come there isn't a string
> SL>of "serial killer" news stories. Duncan just walks away from the bodies,
> SL>so what happens to them?!?!?
>
In the first season there were a few referrences to the police
investigating the headless body of Quince on the bridge (The Gathering -
they should have thrown him into the water), and Lucas Desiree, a friend
of DM's killed in "Innocent Man". But I read on one of the webbs, or
maybe AP chat interviews on AOL, that the producers simply decided to
ignore that aspect to simplify plot development. There have been some
shows where there is a reference to DM disposing of the bodies and
cleaning up the evidence, but usually it looks as though he just walks
away. IMHO what they should have done is have the dead immortals body
slowly dissipate as the quickening leaves them until there is nothing
left and the Q is over. That would make a lot more sense all the way
around.
BJ :)
Barbara J. Nelson
Claire Maier wrote:
>
> sis.fiu.edu>:
> Organization: Emory University
> Distribution:
>
> Hmmm... people who post "every fan of Highlander know [sic] that..."
> should be very sure their facts are accurate, or they are going to come
> off looking like foolish newbies.
>
> We have seen 3 quickenings where an inanimate object was what actually
> cut an immie's head off. Alexei Voshin (Sea Witch) was beheaded by a
> ship propeller, and Carlos Sendaro (Saving Grace) and Mikey Bellow (The
> Innocent) were beheaded by trains. Now, there has been some controversy
> regarding whether the transfer of quickening actually needed an immortal
> to set things in motion, or whether an immortal simply needs to be within
> range to receive it. This is going to be settled in "One Minute to
> Midnight," apparently. But the quickening does not require an immortal
> to be the one to deliver the coup de grace. However, there has to be one
> at least nearby.
>
Well said!! Obviously, the immortal does not have to actually do the
cutting to get the quickening. I, personnally, think they do have to be
involved in a conflict with the other that leads up to the beheading to
get the Q. (Though this is very vague with Richey and Mickey (I don't
understand why they didn't just take poor Mickey to a monastary with
other immortals)) I don't think an immortal could be just nearby,
completely uninvolved and reseave the Q, though I do conceed the
possibilty since we have no proof either way.
?? Why do you think this will all be answered in "One Minute to
Midnight"? Do you know something we don't...??...Tell, tell...!!
BJ :)
Nehoc
Patricia Shanahan <Ps...@cris.com> wrote:
(snip)
>Because people sometimes recover from brain injuries that in our world
>would be 100% fatal, organ transplants from dead humans never developed.
>Patricia Shanahan
>Ps...@cris.com
What would happen if an immie is beheaded and after a quickening, the
paramedics arrive and sow his/her head back on and revive him? Would
s/he die anyway because he lost all of his/her power?
-Dave
Barbara J. Nelson
Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>
>snip<
> Because people sometimes recover from brain injuries that in our world
> would be 100% fatal, organ transplants from dead humans never developed.
>
>
trying to quickly remove an organ from a newly dead immortal... But the
incision keeps healing!?!... then the corpse suddenly sits up, grabs the
scalpel away from the astonished doctor saying, "Do you mind!", and gets
up and walks away.
Or maybe the doctor is able to remove an organ but then turns around to
see a new organ growing in the "no longer quite so dead" corpse.
What if you could get an organ transplant from an immortal? Would that
organ continue to be immortal in a mortals body? What if it were a
heart transplant?
BJ :)
Barbara J. Nelson
I don't think Fitz was concerned about whether or not anyone got his
quickening. I think he only said that to buy some time. Maybe stop
them from killing him if they were under the impression that they
(mortals) could get his quickening. I favor theory B.
BJ :)
bobbyj...@gmail.com
Juliana Chizda
> Bump 21 years later
:) Do you want new responses or are you just trying to see if there's still life out here?
Quickenings go to the beheader, or the nearest Immortal in proximity, or... they don't seem to happen. If a pre-Immortal is around, they fizzle.