Highlander University: Chivalry
Jerri LaPoint
turn rough-hewn Duncan MacLeod into something like a gentleman, she forced
him to take a bath right there in front of god and everyone. And right then
and there, he earned the title Sweet Cheeks as he stood indignantly with
soap bubbles decorating his ever-so-delightful derriere. A moment of
silence, please.
(silence)
But Kristin was just an awful person, regardless. When Duncan fell in love
with the painter commissioned to paint his portrait, Kristin killed the
lass, and then tried to kill Duncan. When he left, she told him she would
never really have killed him.
Kristin, who now runs a big famous modeling agency, comes to Seacouver and
takes a fancy to Richie, whose girlfriend Maria is an aspiring model.
Kristin hires Maria and takes Richie as her lover. Maria has other irons in
the fire and is offered a lucrative modeling contract by someone else, and
Richie tries to talk Kristin into letting Maria's contract with her go.
Methos is in town, and he warns Duncan to warn Richie about Kristin. Duncan
tries, but Richie is Immortal ... at least for the present, and he can't be
convinced.
Kristin takes offense and tries to kill Richie, who finally figures out that
she's a K'Immie to the bone. She also tries to drug and drown Maria. Mac and
Methos storm in to the rescue. Mac battles Kristin, but he's way too
chivalrous to whack her. Methos battles Kristin, and does a pretty handy job
of separating her head from her shoulders. This is one of the reasons we
rather like Methos. He sees a job to do and he does it. Good man, Methos.
Questions:
1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to have a
real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice. Why does he keep hanging
around? Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
left-behinds? Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
Methos hadn't been on the scene?
3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair and
butt question? What is that question?
4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin? Did he hope
to get lucky with her again? It's been a while since Amanda left town, you
know.
Jerri
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Jerri LaPoint wrote in message ...
s it. Good man, Methos.
>Questions:
>1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
To teach Duncan a lesson.
>2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to have a
>real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice.
Better to be worng on your own terms, he may be thinking, than to be
held by the hand all the time and be right.
>Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
>Methos hadn't been on the scene?
Yes.
>3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair and
>butt question? What is that question?
Do you deliver?
>4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin?
Look at the ep title.
Tiggrrr
"TBird" <sixt4...@aol.comedancing> wrote in message
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> Ya' know - I watched Chivalry 4 times this week (I know, I'm a glutton for
> punishment) and also a Reading Rainbow where they go behind the scenes of
> making a tv show.... and I came to this conclusion.... I don't think Ann
Turkel
> was in the room when Mac stood up. She's not in that immediate scene. I
think
> it was just AP and a camera operator.
I wouldn't call Chivalry punishment. Now, I have watched Modern Prometheus
several times (not this week though) and that's almost torture, at least to
the voices in my head. The main character of the story I'm writing (Rowan)
hates Byron with a passion and while the show is a good one (lots of Methos
flashbacks), she snarls at Byron every time he's on the screen.
Tigg (are the voices in my head bothering you?)
Tiggrrr
"Kathy Morey" <kmm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Jerri LaPoint wrote:
>
> > Kristin, who now runs a big famous modeling agency, comes to Seacouver
and
> > takes a fancy to Richie, whose girlfriend Maria is an aspiring model.
>
Was going to post this too, but thought I'd check all the replies first.
They'd known each other since childhood and been friends ever since then.
> > Questions:
> > 1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
On principle. She was icky and Mac wouldn't or couldn't do it. It needed
doing and he did it.
> > 2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to
have a
> > real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice. Why does he keep
hanging
> > around? Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
> > left-behinds? Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
> > Methos hadn't been on the scene?
Not sure. I don't think he hangs out for anything left over. They are
friends, even though Richie doesn't listen to Duncan. Loyalty, perhaps?
> > 3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair
and
> > butt question? What is that question?
Don't know the hair and pants question. I'm a mere freshman in Highlander
University.
> > 4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin? Did he
hope
> > to get lucky with her again? It's been a while since Amanda left town,
you
> > know.
I don't think he wanted to get lucky with her again. I believe he found her
reprehensible (hope that's spelled right...do we get counted off for
spelling?). I think because he had feelings for her at one time, it made it
difficult to kill her later even though she deserved it.
Did I pass?
Tigg
Stacey Bader
>
> What I would pay to have them replay that scene with me as Maria..... Mac
> giving her mouth to mouth and Methos holding her tightly to his
> chest............
> THUNK
Well it's like they say TBird...it's a dirty job, but *someone's* gotta do
it. <g>
Hugs,
Dea
TBird
>We have much for which to thank Immortal Kristin. Oh yes. In her quest to
>turn rough-hewn Duncan MacLeod into something like a gentleman, she forced
>him to take a bath right there in front of god and everyone. And right then
>and there, he earned the title Sweet Cheeks as he stood indignantly with
>soap bubbles decorating his ever-so-delightful derriere. A moment of
>silence, please.
>(silence)
*snip*
>Methos is in town, and he warns Duncan to warn Richie about Kristin.
Does one non-sarcastic word come out of the ROG's beautiful lips?
> Duncan
>tries, but Richie is Immortal ... at least for the present, and he can't be
>convinced.
>Kristin takes offense and tries to kill Richie, who finally figures out that
>she's a K'Immie to the bone. She also tries to drug and drown Maria. Mac and
>Methos storm in to the rescue.
What I would pay to have them replay that scene with me as Maria..... Mac
giving her mouth to mouth and Methos holding her tightly to his
chest............
THUNK
>Mac battles Kristin, but he's way too
>chivalrous to whack her. Methos battles Kristin, and does a pretty handy job
>of separating her head from her shoulders. This is one of the reasons we
>rather like Methos. He sees a job to do and he does it. Good man, Methos.
Oh yeah.......... <daydreaming>
>Questions:
>1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
Does he *have* to have an unterior motive for EVERYTHING?
Oh...yeah... I guess he does.
"Lovely piece of art, that katana? May I? I washed my hands this morning..."
So my answer .... Well...he hasn't had a Q in 200 years.
And he's really sick of Kristin.
And he's sick of Mac being a sap.
>2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to have a
>real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice. Why does he keep hanging
>around?
He keeps hoping he'll be right one day so he can rub it in Mac's face...?
>Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
>left-behinds?
No. And that's mean.
>Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
>Methos hadn't been on the scene?
Richie? Or Mac?
I don't think either of them could have done it.
Maybe that's why Methos had to do it - he hadn't slept with her .... yet.
>3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair and
>butt question? What is that question?
abbbbb-b-b-b-b-b-th-th-th-th-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-
And Methos - well. ... one Damn find hunk of sinewy sweatered geezer....
>4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin? Did he hope
>to get lucky with her again? It's been a while since Amanda left town, you
>know.
Because she was a master of the pitiful pout. Should have taught leassons at
Seacouver U. The eyes; watery, the mouth; pouty, the posture; submissive.....
TBird <----- wanted to see more of Methos Q <----- and yes, I know he only did
it as a joke....
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Jerri LaPoint <jerla...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> We have much for which to thank Immortal Kristin. Oh yes. In her quest to
> turn rough-hewn Duncan MacLeod into something like a gentleman, she forced
> him to take a bath right there in front of god and everyone. And right
then
> and there, he earned the title Sweet Cheeks as he stood indignantly with
> soap bubbles decorating his ever-so-delightful derriere. A moment of
> silence, please.
> (silence)
Just the sound of soap bubbles popping: :::::: ::::: ::::: ::: ::
> But Kristin was just an awful person, regardless. When Duncan fell in love
> with the painter commissioned to paint his portrait, Kristin killed the
> lass, and then tried to kill Duncan. When he left, she told him she would
> never really have killed him.
Well, now the Dunkmeister *was* steppin out on her..... But I wouldn't
trust her.
> Kristin, who now runs a big famous modeling agency, comes to Seacouver and
> takes a fancy to Richie, whose girlfriend Maria is an aspiring model.
> Kristin hires Maria and takes Richie as her lover. Maria has other irons
in
> the fire and is offered a lucrative modeling contract by someone else, and
> Richie tries to talk Kristin into letting Maria's contract with her go.
> Methos is in town, and he warns Duncan to warn Richie about Kristin.
Duncan
> tries, but Richie is Immortal ... at least for the present, and he can't
be
> convinced.
As Amanda has been known to say, he knows he can take her. <g>
> Kristin takes offense and tries to kill Richie, who finally figures out
that
> she's a K'Immie to the bone. She also tries to drug and drown Maria. Mac
and
> Methos storm in to the rescue. Mac battles Kristin, but he's way too
> chivalrous to whack her. Methos battles Kristin, and does a pretty handy
job
> of separating her head from her shoulders. This is one of the reasons we
> rather like Methos. He sees a job to do and he does it. Good man, Methos.
> Questions:
> 1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
Well now, Methos didn't just seem to be in town to me, but there
specifically to tell Mac about Richie. That's a longer trip than I would
have taken. He could have called. Also,he knew _a lot_ about Duncan's
history with Kristin. This must be one of those times when the watcher
information was actually available. This data base is a sometime thing.
Duncan didn't seem at all surprised that he knew . Did Duncan kiss and
tell? Actually it always seemed to me Methos showed up with an axe to
grind with Kristin and ground it into her neck. I wish I knew what fuelled
his fury.
> 2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to have
a
> real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice. Why does he keep hanging
> around? Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
> left-behinds? Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
> Methos hadn't been on the scene?
Hanging around does have its benefits. Why not let everybody have a go at
Kristin? I don't think chilvalry is part of Richie's vocabulary and she
looked kinda tired to me, easy pickins.
> 3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair and
> butt question? What is that question?
I certainly hope it doesn't involve a hairy butt. Butt rating? I'm not
really a butt woman. I'll rate it ( l ) That's a full backal moon.
> 4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin? Did he hope
> to get lucky with her again?
He refrained so we can marvel at what a great guy he is even if he is a sap
who cheated right under her nose. It _can't_ be the old Groucho line about
....he was defending her honor, which was more than she ever did.
It's been a while since Amanda left town, you
> know.
> Jerri
Never long enough for me : )
schatze --------> Now Amanda and Kristin with swords and heaving bosoms---
something for the guys! Who'd win?
Maggie
TBird wrote
> Ya' know - I watched Chivalry 4 times this week (I know, I'm a glutton for
> punishment) and also a Reading Rainbow where they go behind the scenes of
> making a tv show.... and I came to this conclusion.... I don't think Ann
Turkel
> was in the room when Mac stood up. She's not in that immediate scene. I
think
> it was just AP and a camera operator.
> TBird <----- just guessing.....
I always assume that's the case unless there's complex interaction. I'm
always a bit surprised on the occasions when I hear that people were really
naked or with each other or whatever. But, then, sometimes I look at
perfectly innocent reaction shots and think about what it was like one day
when the actor got in front of a camera by himself and made a bunch of faces
to be used as reaction shots whenever the editor needed them for some scene
or other.
Well, it is the art of illusion.
Maggie
Loch Ness
<jerla...@earthlink.net> wrote:
I first saw this episode on Sci-Fi a couple of months back, and though
I liked it, I thought the story line was a little wobbly on its feet.
Now that I've seen it with the euros intact, I think it's a real
tribute to the sturdiness of the original script that it held together
as well as it did after the unholy butchery that's been done to it.
It's a real crime this one's never been aired whole in the States.
>Questions:
>1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
This assumes he did it for some reason other than the one he stated,
and I'm not sure I agree. Of course, there's also the clear underlying
indication that he just has a soft spot for Duncan. We could argue
endlessly about *why* he has that soft spot, but I believe I'll merely
observe that he does and stop there.
Sets us up very nicely for all the caring and sharing yet to come a
few eps down the road.
>2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to have a
>real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice.
When was the last time you met somebody Richie's age who handled
counsel and advice well?
> Why does he keep hanging
>around?
Free access to the fridge. Hey, it's always worked for me.
> Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
>left-behinds? Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
>Methos hadn't been on the scene?
I don't picture Richie whacking Kristin under any circumstances.
Kristin whacking Richie, yes, but not the other way around.
>3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair and
>butt question?
Well, what's notable here clearly is the *lack* of pants.
> What is that question?
What immediately leaps to mind is too crude even for me. Scrambling
for a fallback position, I'll offer: Duncan certainly has had his
share of awkward moments involving bathtubs, hasn't he?
>4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin? Did he hope
>to get lucky with her again? It's been a while since Amanda left town, you
>know.
No. He clearly was quite disgusted with her by that point, and quite
justifiably so. My best guess is he still retained some faint hope
that it wouldn't be necessary to kill her -- he has an obvious
distaste for the idea of killing a woman (any woman) and he often
declines to whack when he deems it unnecessary. Of course, I think
Methos was right -- someone *did* have to.
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>Good man, Methos.
Indeed.
> Questions:
> 1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
She was eeeeevil. No, seriously, I think he was annoyed by the fact that he
pointed out all the reasons she needed to lose her head, and Duncan still
walked away. She had clearly pulled this stunt with more men than just Mac
and Richie. Add to that his entirely vague agenda regarding the
Highlander's lifespan, and it was really the only way to go.
> 2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to have
a
> real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice. Why does he keep hanging
> around? Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
> left-behinds? Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
> Methos hadn't been on the scene?
Aw, he's a young'un. Every time he turns around and experiences something
new, the guy he wants to make proud of him has already been there and done
that. I don't think he's there to pick up any leftovers, and I don't think
he would have killed Kristin unless his back were against the wall, so to
speak.
> 3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair and
> butt question? What is that question?
Oh, there's a plethora of hair, pants and butt moments involved here. Mac
and the tub, the hakama (sp?) pants in the dojo, and in Kristin's fancy
clothes, flapping his hands around with those big sleeves - lol. Richie
sans clothes. Methos and ... <resisting a ::thud::> ... the sweater and
jean combo, and huddled in that lovely black trench - the man *always* looks
like he's cold.
> 4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin?
I don't know. I have to admit, I'm with Methos on this one. I can
understand him not wanting to kill her way back when - the wound was still
fresh, she'd given him a lot, blah blah blah. But now? Shoulda been a
whack-o-rama, especially given her tendency to drown unsuspecting mortals.
> Did he hope to get lucky with her again? It's been a while since Amanda
left town, you
> know.
Ew. I don't want to think about it - there was already way too much of
Kristin's cleavage to endure in this ep.
On the plus side, I really liked Mac in this one. I love it when he bellows
at Kristin - "No! I don't know!" Chivalry definitely vies for my #1
favorite ep. I like the banter between Mac, Methos and Richie. And I
really dig the way some of the shots are set up - in particular, the one
between Mac and Louise, when he's trying to convince her that he doesn't
belong to Kristin, and his sword, stuck in the ground, is centered between
them, like a reminder that his Immortality is always an issue. Also, the
confrontation between Mac, Richie and Kristin at the photo shoot. Mac
enters the shot between Richie and Kristin, and then when he leads Rich
away, it become Kristin who's in the middle. Intentional? I don't know -
but it's way cool.
Gate
"Not funny, Methos."
"Not meant to be!"
TBird
<Deia...@prodigy.net> writes:
>> What I would pay to have them replay that scene with me as Maria..... Mac
>> giving her mouth to mouth and Methos holding her tightly to his
>> chest............
>> THUNK
>
>Well it's like they say TBird...it's a dirty job, but *someone's* gotta do
>it. <g>
Oh ME!! MEEEE!!!!!!!!
TBird <--- volunteering
TBird
>Methos and ... <resisting a ::thud::> ... the sweater and
>jean combo, and huddled in that lovely black trench - the man *always* looks
>like he's cold.
:::::WAVING ARM IN AIR:::::::
I volunteer to warm him up!!!!
TBird <---- generous to a fault
John Biltz
"Loch Ness" <loch...@texas.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:54:46 GMT, "Jerri LaPoint"
a
> >real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice.
>
> counsel and advice well?
>
full of them. They tended to listen and follow orders under dangerous
situations. Armies are full of guys Richie's age. It is a character flaw
not youth that is Richie's problem.
Military Moose
Dusty Reichwein
[snip]
> Questions:
> 1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
Because she was there.
Actually the first time I saw this, I had seen the ep Methos but not
the ep Finale. So I had no idea why what he was doing and assumed he
had some sort of evil agenda to whack MacLeod.
> 2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to have a
> real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice. Why does he keep hanging
> around?
I think there's a real father/son thing going on between MacLeod and
Richie; Richie really looks up to and admires MacLeod. Unfortunately
Richie tends to listen to "Mr. Mike" more often than Mac.
> Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
> left-behinds? Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
> Methos hadn't been on the scene?
I don't think Richie could've killed Kristin unless she'd actually
suceeded in killing Maria.
> 3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair and
> butt question? What is that question?
Did Adrian shave his butt for this shot? I ask this because men
in Movies/TV often have bare chests and big hairy arms, and it's obvious
they've shaved their chest. WHY? Why does our culture discriminate
against hairy guys so much? Is this just a U.S.A. thing?
> 4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin? Did he hope
> to get lucky with her again? It's been a while since Amanda left town, you
> know.
It's because he's stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. I mean, come on,
he's an Immortal. He's has to kill to survive. He routinely kills
immortals because they're a threat to mortals. Even if he *really* loved
her at that time, how could this Immortal Boy Scout live with the lives
of all the people Kristen would kill hanging over his head?
----
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E-Mail: reic...@engr.orst.edu
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Christopher Rickey
<nar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> TBird <sixt4...@aol.comedancing> wrote:
>
> *snip*
>
> > >Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
> > >Methos hadn't been on the scene?
> >
> > Richie? Or Mac?
> > I don't think either of them could have done it.
> > Maybe that's why Methos had to do it - he hadn't slept with her .... yet.
>
> And if you think that would have made a rat's patootie's bit of difference
> to Methos, you don't know Methos. It matters to boy scouts. Methos is no
> boy scout.
I dunno. He had trouble killing Cassandra in his
definitely-not-a-boy-scout phase. And, more generally, I have trouble
telling where Methos draws the line between "it has to be done because
we're immortals" and doing the right thing as he's come to see it.
And in this case, the two neatly coincided, IMHO. Duncan was wrong. Duncan
let his dick's memories dictate his actions, which is a step lower than
letting his dick dictate.
--
O gi' me the lass that has acres o' charms
O gi' me the lass wi' the weal-stockit farms
Christopher Rickey
<c...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> DonnaLetto wrote ...
> > > I don't think Ann Turkel
> > >was in the room when Mac stood up. She's not in that immediate scene. I
> > >think
> > >it was just AP and a camera operator.
>
> > >TBird <----- just guessing.....
>
> > Uh, that would be no.
>
> > Believe me, Ann would be glad to tell you all about filming that scene...
> <g>
>
> Oh, that's cool. I love that scene, and I loved Kristin in that scene. I was
> deeply disappointed when she turned out to be a wacko. Why is it (rhetorical
> question) that so often the adventurous or aggressive women on screen turn
> out to be psychopaths?
Must...resist...
NiH
DonnaLetto wrote in message
<20000218212446...@ng-xe1.aol.com>...
>>>4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin?
>>
>>
>
>
>That's why *Methos* thought Duncan refused to take that final whack at
Kristin.
>
>Surprise, surprise: Methos doesn't know everything, he just thinks he
does.
Begging your pardon; I'm not sure I follow you here......
NiH
master...@my-deja.com
"Jerri LaPoint" <jerla...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> We have much for which to thank Immortal Kristin. Oh yes. In her
quest to
> turn rough-hewn Duncan MacLeod into something like a gentleman, she
forced
> him to take a bath right there in front of god and everyone. And
right then
> and there, he earned the title Sweet Cheeks as he stood indignantly
with
> soap bubbles decorating his ever-so-delightful derriere. A moment of
> silence, please.
> (silence)
Actually, she walked in on him when he was in the tub, and "politely"
informed him that she had his clothes burned. When Duncan asked if she
had any shame, I loved the look on her face when she said, "No". I
don't think he enjoyed it as much as she did.
> Questions:
> 1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
Part of Methos' charm is the air of mystery around him. We may never
know the complete reason why he did it. If, indeed, there is a reason.
> 2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to
have a
> real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice. Why does he keep
hanging
> around?
Richie grew up in orphanages and foster homes. The only family he has
ever had are Duncan and Tessa. Since Tessa is no longer with us
(sniff), that leaves Duncan, who has been teacher, father and big
brother to him. And as far as accepting Duncan's advice, remember
Richie's age. He's still in that time of life when he has to see
things for himself, in spite of the advice of his elders.
Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
> left-behinds?
No. I don't think he knew about Kristin and Duncan's history when he
first met her. Besides, Richie's met girls on his own.
> 3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair
and
> butt question? What is that question?
I'm kind of new here. What IS that question?
> 4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin?
I think, deep down, despite the fact that she's a despicable excuse for
a human being, he still had a soft spot for her.
>Did he hope to get lucky with her again? It's been a while since
Amanda left town, you know.
I doubt it. If he did, he would've pushed Richie aside and made a grab
for her during the episode.
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Susan Stansfield
In article <sapgtos...@news.supernews.com>, "Tiggrrr" wrote:
>> > Kristin, who now runs a big famous modeling agency, comes to Seacouver
>and
>> > takes a fancy to Richie, whose girlfriend Maria is an aspiring model.
>>
>> Actually, that's more a good bud, pal, friend kind of friendship.
>
>Was going to post this too, but thought I'd check all the replies first.
>They'd known each other since childhood and been friends ever since then.
Has everyone forgotten that Maria was Richie's foster sister?
Susan
Susan Stansfield
In article <OPcVMKde$GA.145@cpmsnbbsa02>, "Gate" wrote:
>On the plus side, I really liked Mac in this one. I love it when he bellows
>at Kristin - "No! I don't know!" Chivalry definitely vies for my #1
>favorite ep. I like the banter between Mac, Methos and Richie. And I
>really dig the way some of the shots are set up - in particular, the one
>between Mac and Louise, when he's trying to convince her that he doesn't
>belong to Kristin, and his sword, stuck in the ground, is centered between
>them, like a reminder that his Immortality is always an issue. Also, the
>confrontation between Mac, Richie and Kristin at the photo shoot. Mac
>enters the shot between Richie and Kristin, and then when he leads Rich
>away, it become Kristin who's in the middle. Intentional? I don't know
>-
>but it's way cool.
Wow! You sure notice details, Gate. Now I have to watch this episode again.
>Gate
>"Not funny, Methos."
>"Not meant to be!"
Nice lines too. :-)
Susan <impressed>
Jerri LaPoint
> > Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's
> > leftovers and left-behinds?
> Besides Kristin, when did Richie ever have to
> settle for DM's leftovers?
I dunno. Amanda was sort of flingin' woo at him on the barge in Lady and the
Tiger. It was all a sham, of course, but with Amanda, who can tell?
> You are *so* the Queen of Shallow. Really and truly.
Well, go with your strengths, I always say. Stay in the shallows and
there'll always be depths unplumbed.
DonnaLetto
>
>
Wrong.
That's why *Methos* thought Duncan refused to take that final whack at Kristin.
Surprise, surprise: Methos doesn't know everything, he just thinks he does.
Donna
DonnaLetto
>confrontation between Mac, Richie and Kristin at the photo shoot. Mac
>enters the shot between Richie and Kristin, and then when he leads Rich
>away, it become Kristin who's in the middle. Intentional?
You betcha! <G>
I love that shot, too!
Donna
DonnaLetto
>legs were taller than an average adult woman and she certainly dressed to
>show them. Her skirts made Amanda's skirts look like maxis.
Just as an interesting side note:
Ann Turkel supplied her own outfits for the present-day scenes.
Yes, there are people who really dress like that <G>
Donna
DonnaLetto
>was in the room when Mac stood up. She's not in that immediate scene. I
>think
>it was just AP and a camera operator.
>
>TBird <----- just guessing.....
Uh, that would be no.
Believe me, Ann would be glad to tell you all about filming that scene... <g>
Donna
Maggie
DonnaLetto wrote ...
> >TBird <----- just guessing.....
Oh, that's cool. I love that scene, and I loved Kristin in that scene. I was
deeply disappointed when she turned out to be a wacko. Why is it (rhetorical
question) that so often the adventurous or aggressive women on screen turn
out to be psychopaths?
Maggie
Maggie
TBird guessed:
> > > > I don't think Ann Turkel
> > > >was in the room when Mac stood up. She's not in that immediate
scene. I
> > > >think
> > > >it was just AP and a camera operator.
But DonnaLetto knew:
> > > Uh, that would be no.
> > > Believe me, Ann would be glad to tell you all about filming that
scene...
> > <g>
Maggie thought about it:
> > Oh, that's cool. I love that scene, and I loved Kristin in that scene. I
was
> > deeply disappointed when she turned out to be a wacko. Why is it
(rhetorical
> > question) that so often the adventurous or aggressive women on screen
turn
> > out to be psychopaths?
Christopher Rickey played with it <ahem>:
> Must...resist...
Tee hee.
Maggie
John Biltz
Generous Moose
"Athena" <ATH...@bigtitch.spammerfreeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:88khma$5k0$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> John Biltz wrote:
> > I don't think Richie was really thinking with his brain at this point.
A
> > guy only has so much blood in his body and he has to prioritize on where
> it
> > is going.
>
> ROTFL!
>
> That's brilliant!
>
> Can I borrow that and use it later! Huh! Please!
>
> --
> Athena
>
> You get the facts from outside.
> The truth you get from inside.
> -- Ursula K Le Guin
>
>
>
>
John Biltz
> > > Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's
> > > leftovers and left-behinds?
>
In these two cases I would not mind getting the right overs and right
behinds if no one has dibs on them, the overs and behinds were very nice.
Recycling Moose
John Biltz
Grateful Fashion Moose
"DonnaLetto" <donna...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000218212847...@ng-xe1.aol.com...
DonnaLetto
It's Methos who claimed that it was Duncan's overgrown sense of chivalry that
was keeping him from whacking Kristin just because she was a woman.
And because Methos said it, it must be so, or at least that was the response of
many fans who now claim with great authority that Duncan won't kill women.
But that's just Methos' opinion. And just because Methos says something,
doesn't automatically make it so.
In this instance, Duncan is much better at analyzing himself than Methos is.
Duncan understands that what holds him back is the fact that at one time she
was his lover and he cared about her. The fact that she's female is
inconsequential; he'd feel the same way about men or sheep whom had cared for
or been intimate with, if his inclinations went that way.
There's no outmoded ideal of chivalry involved here at all. This is not a
gender issue.
No matter what Methos thinks <g>
Donna
Christopher Rickey
<c...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> Maggie thought about it:
> > > Oh, that's cool. I love that scene, and I loved Kristin in that scene. I
> was
> > > deeply disappointed when she turned out to be a wacko. Why is it
> (rhetorical
> > > question) that so often the adventurous or aggressive women on screen
> turn
> > > out to be psychopaths?
You left out "predatory lesbians." Or maybe that's just in
alt.universes.sf (cf. alt.willow and alt.kira)
Jette Goldie
John Biltz wrote in message ...
>Not surprised seen her on other shows, nothing recently though..
>
>Grateful Fashion Moose
Saw her on some cop show, playing a hig price prostitute.
Jette Goldie
jette....@u.genie.co.uk
HISTORICON 2001 - Setting the Standards for the Next Millennium
5th & 6th May 2001, Edinburgh, Scotland UK
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Athena
> Sure, you are welcome to it.
>
> Generous Moose
Oooh Thank You!
Mwa! Mwa!
--
Athena <-- blowing virtual kisses at a generous Moose
You get the facts from outside.
The truth you get from inside.
-- Ursula K Le Guin
ath...@bigtitch.spammerfreeserve.co.uk
-remove the spammer from the works to reply
Susan Stansfield
Susan
In article <20000218104058...@nso-cm.aol.com>,
sixt4...@aol.comedancing wrote:
>>Susan <just happened to notice that TBird was the first to reply to these
>>questions; big surprise there!>
>
>LOL.
>Ahem.
>
>So what if I pitched a tent right at the computer and haven't fed the kids
>since Jerri went on break??? So what if these are the same clothes I've
>worn
>for days? So what if I watched the ep 4 times in 3 days! Whaddaya mean
>"Obsessed"? I just like the ROG....
>
>TBird <----- looking all innocent....
Jay Sant Juan
I thought you were a woman?
Loch Ness
>
> > I don't think Ann Turkel
> >was in the room when Mac stood up. She's not in that immediate scene. I
> >think
> >it was just AP and a camera operator.
> >
>
> Uh, that would be no.
>
> Believe me, Ann would be glad to tell you all about filming that scene... <g>
>
Much as I've enjoyed this, and knowing I'm going to end up with a grade
of "I" for "incomplete," I'm going to stop now. Somehow I'd failed to
grasp that there was a series insider participating - now that I know
that, I will not participate any further.
--
InverNessie | Daddy needs a new
loch...@texas.net | pair of mainframes!
That deep water only *looks* still. | --Dr. John Ballard, 7 Days
Dotiran
>grasp that there was a series insider participating - now that I know
>that, I will not participate any further.
why?
Dorothy aka Rottweiler on the Rysher forum
Jerri LaPoint
> >>So what if I pitched a tent right at the computer
> I thought you were a woman?
There's more than one way to pitch a tent. Sometimes one uses canvas and
stakes and hammers and ropes and stuff. Men, women and children can do it
that way. The other way doesn't really provide much shelter and it doesn't
last very long.
Jerri (read a book about it)
DonnaLetto
>grasp that there was a series insider participating - now that I know
>that, I will not participate any further.
Nope, my bad.
I thought adding some sidebars to the lessons might interest some of the class
participants, but I guess I've gotten carried away.
This is Jerri's class, not mine. And I certainly didn't mean to ruin anyone
else's fun.
It's just, as those who know me from AOL and my brief stint at Rysher know, I
have a compulsive need to correct erroneous rumor and speculation before they
become ingrained as the gods' honest truth. Consider it my little mental
quirk.
My apologies for my overzealousness. If you like, I'll go back to our
original deal, which was only answering when called upon with specific
questions.
Donna
Jerri LaPoint
> Much as I've enjoyed this, and knowing I'm
> going to end up with a grade of "I" for "incomplete,"
> I'm going to stop now. Somehow I'd failed to
> grasp that there was a series insider participating -
> now that I know that, I will not participate any further.
First off ... the grade is either A or F. No incompletes. I realize that not
everyone will attend the entire course. And we all know there's only one way
to get that F. So you're stuck with the A ... unless, of course ... you ...
well ... you know.
Highlander University belongs to ME. I am not a series insider. I am a fan.
Anyone who cares to join in the discussion is welcome to bring whatever
perspective they care to bring. We have absolute newbies joining in (some of
them are mostly lurkers) (hi!), people who have been at ATH for years, and
people just dropping by to see what's happenin'. Some folks are extremely
knowledgeable about Highlander because of intense study, and some because
they happened to have been around ... or involved in ... the making of
Highlander. Everyone is welcome. It makes this an interesting place to be.
Jerri (Highlander: my drug of choice)
Kateshrew
>
> <snip>
> You know, canvas, poles and guy-ropes.
>
And here I was thinking this was a family rated newsgroup..... <EG>
--Kateshrew
Non scribit, cuius carmina nemo legit.
Martial; Epigrams, Book III, IX
ICQ: 32790300
Jerri LaPoint
> My apologies for my overzealousness. If you
> like, I'll go back to our original deal, which was
> only answering when called upon with specific
> questions.
I've rather enjoyed having you around, Donna. You are as welcome to
participate in this as anyone else. You offer a unique perspective that is
not often available to folks not a part of the creative process. Folks
should appreciate this. Folks should also feel free to offer responses to
what you say, and not feel the need to be intimidated by someone "in the
know". As far as I can tell, it's all working out pretty well.
In case there are folks out there who are not aware of who Donna is, she is
listed in "Highlander: The Complete Watcher's Guide" as "associate creative
consultant", which means ... uh ... writer and stuff. She'll correct me, I'm
sure. <G>
Jerri
Jerri LaPoint
> Jerri LaPoint wrote:
> > Highlander University belongs to ME.
> > I am not a series insider. I am a fan.
> I understand that, and there was no intent
> to be critical of you.
I was just making trying to make it clear if there was any doubt. I was not
interpreting anything you said as criticism.
> >Anyone who cares to join in the discussion
> > is welcome to bring whatever
> > perspective they care to bring.
> And to bow out, I presume.
... and to return when the mood strikes.
Jerri (a door is no damn good if you can't go in and out)
Jette Goldie
Loch Ness wrote in message <38AEEA87...@texas.net>...
>DonnaLetto wrote:
>>
>> My apologies for my overzealousness. If you like, I'll go back to our
>> original deal, which was only answering when called upon with specific
>> questions.
>
>not ask anybody to make any changes or choices. Carry on.
And you carry on too - Donna isn't STOPPING you, or even "marking
the papers" (only Jerri's doing that - and she's pretty loose with her
marking system, unless you hint that a museum wasn't a museum <g>)
Donna's here for the same reason we all are - she actually enjoys
talking about HL. So she worked on the show for several years
and has more insider info than us - so what? That makes her
a *resource*, not a problem. For the most part, she seems to
enjoy talking to fans too. (but there are probably exceptions to this
rule - aren't there always? <g>)
Jerri LaPoint
> DonnaLetto wrote:
> > My apologies for my overzealousness. If you like,
> > I'll go back to our original deal, which was only
> > answering when called upon with specific
> > questions.
> Oh, thanks loads. You go away, and everybody will
> be mad at me. I did not ask anybody to make any
> changes or choices. Carry on.
Oh, hon, no one leaves ATH if they don't want to ... just like no one quits
participating in HLU unless they want to. I've quit in a huff a couple
times, but came back when my head cooled off and I started wondering what I
was going to do with all that time I usually spend on ATH. This whole
process usually takes about 45 minutes. Or one load of laundry, give or take
a particularly large towel.
No one is mad at anyone. Everything is going to be fine. (that's my mantra.
I'd trademark it if I could)
Jerri
Dianne
>So she worked on the show for several years
>and has more insider info than us - so what? That makes >her
>a *resource*, not a problem.
"Jerri then wrote
> In case there are folks out there who are not aware of >who Donna is, she
> is
> listed in "Highlander: The Complete Watcher's Guide" as >"associate
> creative
> consultant", which means ... uh ... writer and stuff. She'll correct me,
> I'm
> sure. <G>
>
And then Dany was heard to utter
> Thanks muchly for the info! *files that little nugget in a spot in my head
> that is not sore and sour*
>
> -was one of the ones who was completely not in the know ;)
>
Hi all, I haven't participated in HLU yet, cos I haven't seen most of the
eps so far mentioned. But I have seen Chivalry which is how I managed to
come across this.
A *resource*, definitely. Bloody lucky too. Also the envy of heaps of us
here too I am sure
I hadn't realised that Donna was "associate creative consultant" either. But
I got a real thrill after reading an Highlander novel, to realise that said
person was the author and I could 'talk' to her, if I had anything clever
enough to put forward.
So, from another 'not completely in the know' person, please stay around
Donna. I like reading your input.
Dianne*hoping I got the attributes right*
Susan Stansfield
In article <20000219150524...@ng-xe1.aol.com>, donna...@aol.com
wrote:
>How did I become the bad guy in this?
You didn't. Trust me :-)
>Did I somehow miss the "No Diving, No Running, No Insiders" sign before
>I
>jumped in the pool?
>
>So now I'm pretty much damned if I do, and damned if I don't, aren't I?
>
>To coin a phrase, "thanks loads."
>
>Donna
>(didn't realize there wasn't enough room left in the sandbox for her pail
>and
>shovel)
There's plenty of room, Donna. I hope you stay. It's bad enough TBird's left.
We don't need to lose you too. :-(
Susan
John Biltz
for a publisher.
Moose in the Know
"Dianne" <kat...@geelong.hotkey.com> wrote in message
news:PvQr4.10$uv5....@vic.nntp.telstra.net...
HiRene23
>for a publisher.
Actually 3, since once in a while Gillian H. contributes a nice tidbit.
Rene
DonnaLetto
>would *not* be interested in is hearing his opinion on my critique of
>his books (and damn sure not interested in receiving that opinion in a
>public forum), because it's not possible that Ian Fleming could be truly
>objective about his own work or my opinion of it. If I'd realized there
>was an insider around, commenting on these pieces
Which is why, if you actually pay attention to what I was writing, you'd see
that I don't critique people's opinions of episodes or actors or whatever.
What I give are facts. Ann Turkel *was* present for the filming of the bathtub
scene. The reason Duncan didn't kill Kristin was *not* strictly a gender
issue. Intellectual property belongs to the copyright holder.
If this differs from what you believe is fact, then I can see where it might be
painful. But I'm not correcting anyone's "opinions."
I've been online with Highlander since 1994 and online with other fandoms since
1991. I'm a big girl and I understand that people have their own opinions and
that many times they're not the same is mine -- which is more than I can say
for many of the people who post to the Internet.
If you want to make a grand exit because some one might read your opinions,
that's your choice. But I don't critique opinions. Hate the show, like the
show, I've learned it's not worth trying to change anyone's "opinions."
My compulsion is simply to make sure that everyone is playing with the correct
facts.
Donna
(not the first actors' or show's representative to come here in 8 years, and
probably not the last)
Ladeebkwrm
DonnaLetto wrote in message
<20000220154624...@ng-xe1.aol.com>...
>My compulsion is simply to make sure that everyone is playing with the
correct
>facts.
For which some of us will be forever grateful. Plus, it's interesting!
Kristina
Loch Ness
have time to refute this much nonsense during a work-week.
DonnaLetto wrote:
>
> Which is why, if you actually pay attention to what I was writing, you'd see
> that I don't critique people's opinions of episodes or actors or whatever.
That's just not true. You made specific statements about the extent to
which fans' interpretations were (in your opinion) wrong.
> What I give are facts. Ann Turkel *was* present for the filming of the bathtub
> scene. The reason Duncan didn't kill Kristin was *not* strictly a gender
> issue.
In fact, I'm inclined to agree that it wasn't purely a gender issue. But
there is a good deal more evidence in the actual episodes to support
Duncan's reluctance to kill a woman than there was in your
unsubstantiated assertion that such an interpretation is wrong.
I accept, because you say so, that it was not the *intent* of anybody at
the production company to suggest that it was wholly a gender issue. But
that you think it's necessary, this far down the road, to keep
explaining it really tells me that the production company didn't do a
very good job of communicating that intent.
> Intellectual property belongs to the copyright holder.
Ooh, that'd be really scary if I were stupid enough to think you hold a
copyright on fans' interpretations. But I'm not, and you don't.
> If this differs from what you believe is fact, then I can see where it might be
> painful. But I'm not correcting anyone's "opinions."
Oh, yes, you are correcting people's opinions, and you're doing it from
a position of the 800-pound gorilla who is not to be disagreed with
because you "were there."
> My compulsion is simply to make sure that everyone is playing with the correct
> facts.
Then stick to the facts and quit trying to tell people their
interpretations are wrong. That's really only one step away from telling
people what to think.
> Donna
> (not the first actors' or show's representative to come here in 8 years, and
> probably not the last)
And that's the reason I'll never post commentary on the series here
again. Excuse the hell out of me, but having an 800-pound gorilla jump
down and tell me how I ought to interpret an episode is just not my idea
of a good time.
Ladeebkwrm
Loch Ness wrote in message <38B0C298...@texas.net>...
>DonnaLetto wrote:
>> Intellectual property belongs to the copyright holder.
>
>Ooh, that'd be really scary if I were stupid enough to think you hold a
>copyright on fans' interpretations. But I'm not, and you don't.
I believe Donna originally made this statement referring to people reposting
the HL4 script. It's from a discussion in another thread.
Kristina
TBird
writes:
>Much as I've enjoyed this, and knowing I'm going to end up with a grade
>of "I" for "incomplete," I'm going to stop now. Somehow I'd failed to
>grasp that there was a series insider participating - now that I know
>that, I will not participate any further.
Donna?
Oh big deal.
She wrote some words (not to diminish her craft, she did it WELL) then AP and
PW and some others delivered them.
But then the characters took on a life of their own. They became more than the
words or the delivery. So Donna and Gillian know some trivia. Big whoop. Not
even they will truly know what goes on in the heart and mind of Methos, at
least no more than the rest of us. They may set a direction, but Methos stands
on his own.
And besides that - it's JERRI who runs this show.....
TBird <----- not intimidated <----- posted and mailed
~ ~ ~
And in the absence of a vision there are nightmares
And in the absence of compassion there is cancer
---Bruce Cockburn
ICQ # 63568829
TBird
(Jay Sant Juan) writes:
>>>So what if I pitched a tent right at the computer
>
>I thought you were a woman?
:-Ž~~~~~~~~
TBird <---- I am woman see me drool......
TBird
It's like the writers of HL are parents...they nurture HL, they feed it, they
listen to it, care for it, help it grow. But at some point it became it's own
entity, and went off on it's own, became it's own person, as it were. The
writers can still love it, still influence it, but it can influence the writers
as well.
I think that interview someone posted a while back with the PW interview was
great - how the writers wrote things with one intent....PW applied his own
interpretation....the writers went "WHOA!!! Agenda boy!"....and right about
then Methos took control of the entire process bending actors writers and
directors to his will. (I use Methos because he's my strength, and the prof
always says "Go with your strengths".)
So, again I say...woo hoo...Donna's here. I think it's pretty cool to see how
Methos has reduced her to trivia...Donna can tell us the facts of what happened
on the set....but what Methos was thinking? I don't believe so. I don't think
even PW can do that. But we can all guess ourselves into a frenzy and try to
use dialogue and actions for support of our theories.... but once Methos aired
on TV, all interpretations became valid. IMO. Because no one will ever really
have the definitive answer except the ROG himself. And you know how HE is.....
<g>
And then I had this sick twisted little thought - DONNA, YOU LISTENING STILL???
If PW ***EVER*** finds out what I wrote about the neck he was using to portray
Methos, I will know from whence he got the info!!! And I will look at you
reeeeeeally dirty in the autograph line. Be warned. <eg> (Same goes for the
rest of you "insiders") >:-/ <----- practicing dirty looks.....
TBird <----- blushes easily
>Loch Ness <loch...@texas.net>
>writes:
>
>>Much as I've enjoyed this, and knowing I'm going to end up with a grade
>>of "I" for "incomplete," I'm going to stop now. Somehow I'd failed to
>>grasp that there was a series insider participating - now that I know
>>that, I will not participate any further.
>
>Donna?
>Oh big deal.
>She wrote some words (not to diminish her craft, she did it WELL) then AP and
>PW and some others delivered them.
>
>But then the characters took on a life of their own. They became more than
>the
>words or the delivery. So Donna and Gillian know some trivia. Big whoop.
>Not
>even they will truly know what goes on in the heart and mind of Methos, at
>least no more than the rest of us. They may set a direction, but Methos
>stands
>on his own.
>
>And besides that - it's JERRI who runs this show.....
>
>TBird <----- not intimidated <----- posted and mailed
>
Susan Stansfield
In article <88pkgd$4km4$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Ladeebkwrm" wrote:
>DonnaLetto wrote in message
><20000220154624...@ng-xe1.aol.com>...
>
>>My compulsion is simply to make sure that everyone is playing with the
>correct
>>facts.
>
>For which some of us will be forever grateful. Plus, it's interesting!
>
>Kristina
Agreed, Kristina. Besides, Donna, I can be the same way.
Susan
TBird
Biltz" <bilt...@earthlink.net> writes:
>Not to mention have her reply back to a lowly moose.
>
Oh please. Who ever looked DOWN on a moose????
TBird <----- did you win the bet? <----- thinks you've been in Vegas to
long.....
TBird
(DonnaLetto) writes:
>Nope, my bad.
>
>I thought adding some sidebars to the lessons might interest some of the
>class
>participants, but I guess I've gotten carried away.
>
>This is Jerri's class, not mine. And I certainly didn't mean to ruin anyone
>else's fun.
No no no - you don't ruin it - I love the tidbits.
I just happen to believe that Methos writes YOU, not the other way around. So
you know who was standing where. Fun trivia. But the characters.... well, you
all loved them and you let them fly. From time to time they come back.... but
mostly they fly.
TBird <---- loves trivia <---- thinks it's fun to have insiders on ATH as long
as they keep my attack on Methos neck to themselves. :-Ş
TBird
LaPoint" <jerla...@earthlink.net> writes:
>Jay Sant Juan <jsan...@aol.com.edu> wrote
>
>> >>So what if I pitched a tent right at the computer
>
>> I thought you were a woman?
>
>There's more than one way to pitch a tent. Sometimes one uses canvas and
>stakes and hammers and ropes and stuff. Men, women and children can do it
>that way. The other way doesn't really provide much shelter and it doesn't
>last very long.
ROTFLMAO....
I didn't catch the inuendo until this.....
TBird <---- only one cup of coffee, what can I say!
Jette Goldie
TBird wrote in
>And then I had this sick twisted little thought - DONNA, YOU LISTENING
STILL???
>If PW ***EVER*** finds out what I wrote about the neck he was using to
portray
>Methos, I will know from whence he got the info!!! And I will look at you
>reeeeeeally dirty in the autograph line. Be warned. <eg> (Same goes for
the
>rest of you "insiders") >:-/ <----- practicing dirty looks.....
Who says Donna is the only person to have PW's ear? <g>
(awful lot of Legacy organisers here - isn't there, Jerri and Shelby?)
Dany
long
> as they keep my attack on Methos neck to themselves. :-Ş
> ~ ~ ~
Bird, isn't that ASKING for trouble, luv? *blinkblink* I mean, by telling
people you don't want them to know, might only encourage them...
Dany
-is going to refrain from any commentary at all..or at least try, else MY
butt gets in trouble...*points at TBird*
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Dany
email: therecan...@mac.com
icq: 1483909
aim: Purple MagLite
http://acm.msu.edu/~sloneeri
"Ah the roar of the crowd, the smell of the...what's that smell?"
--Richie Ryan, from "The Lady and the Tiger"
DonnaLetto
>STILL???
>If PW ***EVER*** finds out what I wrote about the neck he was using to
>portray
>Methos, I will know from whence he got the info!!!
Believe me, no you won't. <g>
Donna
DonnaLetto
>how
>Methos has reduced her to trivia...Donna can tell us the facts of what
>happened
>on the set....but what Methos was thinking? I don't believe so. I don't
>think
>even PW can do that.
I agree, except for one point.
Methos and his actions and his thoughts can't and don't exist in a vacuum.
The way the writers, director and PW interpret what Methos is thinking directly
effects what he does and how he does it in that episode and all episodes from
that point on.
In that way, he's not completely "free range." And so you'll rarely find him
thinking on a course a) that someone on the writer/director/PW continuum didn't
anticipate and b) that contradicts anything he'll be doing in the future.
I guess it's as if he had a really good psychiatrist... <g>
Donna
(or is this the part where I just smile and say "of course it's just a
documentary"? <g>)
James McMahon
schatze wrote:
>Now Amanda and Kristin with swords and heaving bosoms---
>something for the guys! Who'd win?
That's an easy one, the male viewers.
James
Dany
EEEE! I fear this woman!!
*whimpers*
Dany
-hides under her obnoxious green couch with only her little nose sticking
out...
Ladeebkwrm
>Donna
>(or is this the part where I just smile and say "of course it's just a
>documentary"? <g>)
Probably. You know how she is. <eg>
Kristina <WHADDYAMEAN, it's not a documentary?><hrmph>
Dany
He's got a point there. Time and time again the women audiences are drawn to
the guys...Duncan, Methos, Richie, etc.etc. And what do the men get?
Well, an occasional good looking chic, but they're always fawning for one of
the guys.
All hail a good catfight! ;)
Dany
-meeooww...
Dany
> >people you don't want them to know, might only encourage them...
>
> - PW finds this stuff not even silly but bizarre and is therefore totally
> disinterested in hearing about it.
Heh, quite possible. Point there. TBird 1, Dany 0 *grin*
> - Everyone has more important things to talk to PW about that some silly
fan
> waxing soft porn over his neck
Perhaps...yeah..another point. *pouts*
So we save it for the ATH Slumber Party instead!!! :)
> - I'm just not that big a deal. :-)
But Birdeeeee!!! I wuv you!!!!!!! *big squishy hugs* You're a big deal to
ME!!!
Oh man, that HAD to look obnoxious!!!
> - I give NASTY dirty looks >:-\
Uh oh...*hides* *peers up from the screen of her laptop*
Look at this way. You CAN take revenge on me for this. I KNOW I'm gonna be
in trouble if I taunt you too much....
> TBird <--- safe
For now... :) KIDDING!
Dany
-is not safe until the green bear flies...and even then...*ponders a TBird
perched on my shoulder*
TBird
(DonnaLetto) writes:
>>And then I had this sick twisted little thought - DONNA, YOU LISTENING
>>STILL???
>>If PW ***EVER*** finds out what I wrote about the neck he was using to
>>portray
>>Methos, I will know from whence he got the info!!!
>
>Believe me, no you won't. <g>
>
>Donna
>
Am I supposed to be scared here?
Just asking...'cos I need to know. I blush REALLY easily and if he should say
"Oh YOU'RE TBird," I'll probably pass right out from the blood rushing to my
cheeks.....
I can avoid the autograph queue....I got one at Chron99.....
TBird <------ waiting for response.....to blush or not to blush <---- what the
heck did I get myself into..... <----- blushing already.....and cursing granny
for the pale Irish skin
TBird
writes:
>> TBird <---- loves trivia <---- thinks it's fun to have insiders on ATH as
>long
>> as they keep my attack on Methos neck to themselves. :-Ş
>> ~ ~ ~
>
>Bird, isn't that ASKING for trouble, luv? *blinkblink* I mean, by telling
>people you don't want them to know, might only encourage them...
I think I am safe...for a number of reasons.
- PW finds this stuff not even silly but bizarre and is therefore totally
disinterested in hearing about it.
- Everyone has more important things to talk to PW about that some silly fan
waxing soft porn over his neck
- I'm just not that big a deal. :-)
- I give NASTY dirty looks >:-\
TBird <--- safe
TBird
<bosslad...@mydeja.com> writes:
>TBird wrote in
>
>>And then I had this sick twisted little thought - DONNA, YOU LISTENING
>STILL???
>>If PW ***EVER*** finds out what I wrote about the neck he was using to
>portray
>>Methos, I will know from whence he got the info!!! And I will look at you
>>reeeeeeally dirty in the autograph line. Be warned. <eg> (Same goes for
>the
>>rest of you "insiders") >:-/ <----- practicing dirty looks.....
>
>Who says Donna is the only person to have PW's ear? <g>
>
>(awful lot of Legacy organisers here - isn't there, Jerri and Shelby?)
::::CURLED INTO THE FETAL POSITION::::::
Why didn't I listen to my mum?
She always said: If you don't want it published on the cover of the New York
Times, don't put it in writing.
TBird <----- hard to practice dirty looks from the fetal position
TBird
>And so you'll rarely find him
>thinking on a course a) that someone on the writer/director/PW continuum
>didn't
>anticipate and b) that contradicts anything he'll be doing in the future.
Mac maybe - but Methos? Isn't his entire 5000 years a contradiction? Isn't
that why we love him? Isn't he beloved for leaping straight off the continuum
and into godknowswhatnext????? All I count on in Methos is that you guys will
surprise me.
TBird <---- anxiously awaiting the surprise
John Biltz
"TBird" <sixt4...@aol.comedancing> wrote in message
news:20000221112939...@nso-fg.aol.com...
> In article <1QGr4.20022$Zp1.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"John
> Biltz" <bilt...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >Not to mention have her reply back to a lowly moose.
> >
>
> Oh please. Who ever looked DOWN on a moose????
>
Squirrels up in trees. I still can't get that image of that squirell
munching away on a moose antler out of my head.
> TBird <----- did you win the bet? <----- thinks you've been in Vegas to
> long.....
Actually I picked Saturday, based this on your past history of leaving the
group. I did mention Sunday as being the next best choice. I like Vegas
more the longer I am here. It has a distinctiveness, no other place like it
on Earth, sort of like living in a twisted Disneyland with great buffets.
Vegas Moose
TBird
>Actually I picked Saturday, based this on your past history of leaving the
>group.
Hmmm....
And I call Mac and Joe childish for this "We're friends...we're not
friends....we're friends.... we're not friends...." stuff.......
TBird <--- sigh
John Biltz
tinfoiled antlers to see how they look.
Moose With Good Timing and Tinfoil on his Antlers
"Dany" <dan...@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:38b1f643$0$99...@news.voyager.net...
> > >Bird, isn't that ASKING for trouble, luv? *blinkblink* I mean, by
telling
> > >people you don't want them to know, might only encourage them...
> >
> > I think I am safe...for a number of reasons.
>
>
> > - PW finds this stuff not even silly but bizarre and is therefore
totally
> > disinterested in hearing about it.
>
> Heh, quite possible. Point there. TBird 1, Dany 0 *grin*
>
> > - Everyone has more important things to talk to PW about that some silly
> fan
> > waxing soft porn over his neck
>
> Perhaps...yeah..another point. *pouts*
> So we save it for the ATH Slumber Party instead!!! :)
>
> > - I'm just not that big a deal. :-)
>
> But Birdeeeee!!! I wuv you!!!!!!! *big squishy hugs* You're a big deal to
> ME!!!
>
> Oh man, that HAD to look obnoxious!!!
>
> > - I give NASTY dirty looks >:-\
>
TBird
>An excellent time to do it would be just after you asked him to try on the
>tinfoiled antlers to see how they look.
>
>Moose With Good Timing and Tinfoil on his Antlers
Yes. Well. SweetViolet and Philippa are gonna hafta give me a major shove to
do that...but I probably will. It goes with the Ninety Nne Percent Rule:
There's a 99% chance I'll never see him again, so who cares what the heck I
do....... :-)
TBird <----- just one of the masses
DonnaLetto
>>>portray
>>>Methos, I will know from whence he got the info!!!
>>
>>
>>Donna
>>
>
>Am I supposed to be scared here?
Alls I'm saying is that I don't share. So *if* PW should find out, it won't
be from me... <g>
Donna
TBird
(DonnaLetto) writes:
>Alls I'm saying is that I don't share. So *if* PW should find out, it won't
>be from me... <g>
HUGE sigh of relief. I didn't think you would rat out the sandbox.... :-)
TBird <-----figured he'd not be interested anyways....
Janie Khodor
Jerri LaPoint wrote:
> We have much for which to thank Immortal Kristin. Oh yes. In her quest to
> turn rough-hewn Duncan MacLeod into something like a gentleman, she forced
> him to take a bath right there in front of god and everyone. And right then
> and there, he earned the title Sweet Cheeks as he stood indignantly with
> soap bubbles decorating his ever-so-delightful derriere. A moment of
> silence, please.
> (silence)
> But Kristin was just an awful person, regardless. When Duncan fell in love
> with the painter commissioned to paint his portrait, Kristin killed the
> lass, and then tried to kill Duncan. When he left, she told him she would
> never really have killed him.
> Kristin, who now runs a big famous modeling agency, comes to Seacouver and
> takes a fancy to Richie, whose girlfriend Maria is an aspiring model.
> Kristin hires Maria and takes Richie as her lover. Maria has other irons in
> the fire and is offered a lucrative modeling contract by someone else, and
> Richie tries to talk Kristin into letting Maria's contract with her go.
> Methos is in town, and he warns Duncan to warn Richie about Kristin. Duncan
> tries, but Richie is Immortal ... at least for the present, and he can't be
> convinced.
> Kristin takes offense and tries to kill Richie, who finally figures out that
> she's a K'Immie to the bone. She also tries to drug and drown Maria. Mac and
> Methos storm in to the rescue. Mac battles Kristin, but he's way too
> chivalrous to whack her. Methos battles Kristin, and does a pretty handy job
> of separating her head from her shoulders. This is one of the reasons we
> rather like Methos. He sees a job to do and he does it. Good man, Methos.
> Questions:
> 1. Why did Methos really kill Kristin?
"Someone had to do it" iirc. And because she was a mean b*tch. In the bad way.
> 2. For a fellow constantly proven wrong by MacLeod, Richie seems to have a
> real problem accepting Mac's counsel and advice. Why does he keep hanging
> around? Is he just the fortunate recipient of Mac's leftovers and
> left-behinds? Would he have eventually been forced to whack Kristin if
> Methos hadn't been on the scene?
I believe so (would he have had to whack Kristin). Also, at this point Richie
still sees MacLeod as his teacher. He has problems respecting authority, so he
won't admit that Mac is right, but he sees that sticking 'round would be a good
way to prevent getting his head separated from his body...at least for now.
> 3. Is the usual hair and pants question summarily modified to a hair and
> butt question? What is that question?
Which part do you want me to answer? He's all yummy. So is Methos.
> 4. Why did Duncan refuse to take that final whack at Kristin? Did he hope
> to get lucky with her again? It's been a while since Amanda left town, you
> know.
Do I lose points if I say he was too chivalrous for his own good? He couldn't
forget the good she'd done him, and somehow managed to conveniently tuck away
the bad. Selective memory.
Luv, Zhenya
Lisa Ann Kadlec
use the account for reading newsgroups. For a current address, see .sig
at end of post.
Second, I don't know if the original poster will be around to see this,
but I figure maybe others will find it of interest.
Loch Ness <loch...@texas.net> wrote:
: After I've posted this, I plan to kill-file you because I just don't
: have time to refute this much nonsense during a work-week.
: DonnaLetto wrote:
:>
:> Which is why, if you actually pay attention to what I was writing, you'd see
:> that I don't critique people's opinions of episodes or actors or whatever.
Loch Ness:
: That's just not true. You made specific statements about the extent to
: which fans' interpretations were (in your opinion) wrong.
Donna:
:> What I give are facts. Ann Turkel *was* present for the filming of
:> the bathtub
:> scene. The reason Duncan didn't kill Kristin was *not* strictly a gender
:> issue.
Loch Ness:
: In fact, I'm inclined to agree that it wasn't purely a gender issue. But
: there is a good deal more evidence in the actual episodes to support
: Duncan's reluctance to kill a woman than there was in your
: unsubstantiated assertion that such an interpretation is wrong.
: I accept, because you say so, that it was not the *intent* of anybody at
: the production company to suggest that it was wholly a gender issue. But
: that you think it's necessary, this far down the road, to keep
: explaining it really tells me that the production company didn't do a
: very good job of communicating that intent.
Me:
I think there is a point to consider here about intent and interpretation
vs. fact. That Ann Turkel was present for the filming is fact. That
there was no *intent* to suggest that Duncan's reluctance to kill was a
gender issue is fact. Whether Duncan's reluctance was or was not based
on gender, as an interpretation of the events shown gets into that hairy
area of authorial intent (or intent of the producers or whomever), and
whether such intent is the final word in terms of interpretation of a
work. I give more credence than some others I know to off-screen
information provided by TPTB regarding aspects of their universe that we
haven't actually seen, and even, to an extent, character motivation and
the like. However, I am uncomfortable with the notion of an opinion
about a character's inner motivations being declared 'wrong' based solely
on the creator's intent.
That said, I would like to point out that I also don't think that the
fact that Donna finds herself explaining this issue again/at this late
date/whatever automatically implies that TPTB did a poor job
communicating. There are a number of ideas in HL fandom which seem to
have been repeated so many times that they're considered Gospel truth (by
many), and this example from Chivalry is just one of them. Inspector
Breslaw says some lines about black, white, and gray in 'The Valkyrie,'
and (even though there was no indication he was talking *about* Duncan)
next thing you know, it's 'true' that Duncan only sees the world in black
and white. In CaH/Rev, Methos tells Duncan something like, 'What I've
done, you can't forgive. It's not in your nature,' and *that* becomes
'true' as well. And, as Donna mentions, there *do* seem to be a lot of
people who hear something come out of Methos' mouth (especially something
about Duncan?) and assume it is/must be true. I don't think it's fair to
blame TPTB for that. FWIW, I, for one, never thought that Methos was
right, and watching the episode and discussing it afterward, I found it
interesting that people would just assume that Methos' interpretation was
correct. I'd also be interested in hearing about all the evidence in the
episodes that points to the conclusion that Duncan won't kill women.
--
Lisa Kadlec
lka...@princeton.edu
GinjerB
And no, I haven't memorized the Watcher's Chronicle.<g> Which is by way of
leading into the question of whether or not the Nefferterri epi came before or
after CHIVALRY. Because if it was before, we already know that Dunan will kill
a woman he's slept with...*Methos* may not know that, but the viewer does.
GinjerB
Cathy
Unfortunately I can't find the beginning of this thread, and my
curiousity has gotten the best of me - Why didn't Duncan kill Kristen
(or at least, what is the "official reason" according to the ptb?)?
> >Donna:
> >:> What I give are facts. Ann Turkel *was* present for the filming of
> >:> the bathtub
> >:> scene. The reason Duncan didn't kill Kristin was *not* strictly a gender
> >:> issue.
In CaH/Rev, Methos tells Duncan something like, 'What I've
> >done, you can't forgive. It's not in your nature,' and *that* becomes
> >'true' as well. And, as Donna mentions, there *do* seem to be a lot of
> >people who hear something come out of Methos' mouth (especially something
> >about Duncan?) and assume it is/must be true.
Of course if Methos says it, it's true!
(not that I'm biased or anything...mildly besotted, perhaps?)
Cathy
Ladeebkwrm
>Of course if Methos says it, it's true!
>(not that I'm biased or anything...mildly besotted, perhaps?)
>
>Cathy
Isn't that like being kinda pregnant?
Kristina <g>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
AIM: LadeeBookwrm
IM (AOL only): ladeebkwrm
DonnaLetto
>curiousity has gotten the best of me - Why didn't Duncan kill Kristen
>(or at least, what is the "official reason" according to the ptb?)?
This isn't "according to the ptb" -- it's according to Duncan MacLeod of the
Clan MacLeod right in the episode.
He has difficulty killing people that he has loved, people that he has been
intimate with. Since he's determinedly hetero (despite what the fanfic writers
want to believe <g>), many of those do tend to be women. But it's not just the
biological fact that they have breasts that gives him pause.
Donna
TBird
Brian did not have breasts and he had to cut DM's neck to get DM to kill him.
Michael Moore had to beg on his knees for DM to lop his head off.
TBird <----- yup
donna...@aol.com (DonnaLetto) writes:
TBird
ladee...@aol.comeandplay (Ladeebkwrm) writes:
>>Of course if Methos says it, it's true!
>>(not that I'm biased or anything...mildly besotted, perhaps?)
>>
>>Cathy
>
>Isn't that like being kinda pregnant?
>
>Kristina <g>
ROTFLMAO....
TBird <----- snerk
Mr. Mom
>In article <20000309115055...@ng-fc1.aol.com>,
>ladee...@aol.comeandplay (Ladeebkwrm) writes:
>
>>>Of course if Methos says it, it's true!
>>>(not that I'm biased or anything...mildly besotted, perhaps?)
>>>
>>>Cathy
>>
>>Isn't that like being kinda pregnant?
>>
>>Kristina <g>
>
>ROTFLMAO....
>
>TBird <----- snerk
Is it possible to ROTFLYAO and snerk at the same time?
That's gotta hurt, methinks.
Michael <Just ROTF>
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Cathy
excuse to go online and avoid the work piled up all around me! I gather
Duncan wasn't too fond of Nefert.. (spelling?) aka "the Egyptian mummy"
regardless of their night together.
Cathy
TBird wrote:
>
> Well...look at Brian Cullen. Duncan loved Brian and valued his friendship.
> Brian did not have breasts and he had to cut DM's neck to get DM to kill him.
> Michael Moore had to beg on his knees for DM to lop his head off.
>
> TBird <----- yup
>
> donna...@aol.com (DonnaLetto) writes:
>
> >>Unfortunately I can't find the beginning of this thread, and my
> >>curiousity has gotten the best of me - Why didn't Duncan kill Kristen
> >>(or at least, what is the "official reason" according to the ptb?)?
> >
> >This isn't "according to the ptb" -- it's according to Duncan MacLeod of the
> >Clan MacLeod right in the episode.
> >
> >He has difficulty killing people that he has loved, people that he has been
> >intimate with. Since he's determinedly hetero (despite what the fanfic
> >writers
> >want to believe <g>), many of those do tend to be women. But it's not just
> >the
> >biological fact that they have breasts that gives him pause.
> >
>
Cathy
Ladeebkwrm wrote:
>
> >
> >Of course if Methos says it, it's true!
> >(not that I'm biased or anything...mildly besotted, perhaps?)
> >
> >Cathy
>
> Isn't that like being kinda pregnant?
>
> Kristina <g>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
so I'm a firm believer in understating the obvious...
let's not talk about what I have in the "Methos files" I have on each of
my computers - and no fair bribing members of my household for this
information; suffice it to say that I have had my closest friends
promise me that should I die an untimely death, they are to take a
hammer and smash the hard drives to bits, lest anyone in rl discover the
extent of my obsession.
Cathy
Cathy
Cathy
Cathy
TBird
<mjho...@earthlink.getthenet> writes:
>>ROTFLMAO....
>>
>>TBird <----- snerk
>
>Is it possible to ROTFLYAO and snerk at the same time?
>That's gotta hurt, methinks.
Only if coffee comes out my nose.
>Michael <Just ROTF>
And besides, m'dear.... considering yer revving the engines of Patt, Tracey,
Dany, Amanda, and myself all at the same time.... you should know....
TBird <------- licking lips slowly <---- hurts so good....
Mr. Mom
Or maybe it's a server contagion?
On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:17:30 -0800, Cathy <CSwe...@netcarrier.com>
wrote:
Cathy
Obviously I'm having trouble with my server - sorry about the multiple
messages. I'll go back to lurk mode now.
Cathy
Mr. Mom
>In article <l2sfcskt7tn50jesa...@4ax.com>, Mr. Mom
><mjho...@earthlink.getthenet> writes:
>
>>>ROTFLMAO....
>>>
>>>TBird <----- snerk
>>
>>Is it possible to ROTFLYAO and snerk at the same time?
>>That's gotta hurt, methinks.
>
>Only if coffee comes out my nose.
>
>>Michael <Just ROTF>
>
>And besides, m'dear.... considering yer revving the engines of Patt, Tracey,
>Dany, Amanda, and myself all at the same time.... you should know....
Should know what?
>TBird <------- licking lips slowly <---- hurts so good....
Mine?
Michael <It's getting hot in here>
Jette Goldie
Mr. Mom wrote in message <7m0gcsgbr36aud87a...@4ax.com>...
>So, has you're 'Puter been hangin' out with Jette's lately?
>Or maybe it's a server contagion?
Just shows that it happens to the best of us.
Jette Goldie
jette....@u.genie.co.uk
HISTORICON 2001 - Setting the Standards for the Next Millennium
5th & 6th May 2001, Edinburgh, Scotland UK
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TBird
that matter.
I don't know why Felice Martins got to walk away, other than Mac didn't catch
her first hand killing mortals.
TBird <----- wishes she had
Cathy <CSwe...@netcarrier.com> writes:
>thank you all for the quick response - just what I needed, another
>excuse to go online and avoid the work piled up all around me! I gather
>Duncan wasn't too fond of Nefert.. (spelling?) aka "the Egyptian mummy"
>regardless of their night together.
Shomeret
would I tell the truth?" in Finale?
Shomeret
<ducking and running>