Avenging Angel: Holy Ground?
Elizabeth M. Langan
the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
(whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
Ground expire? My guess would be that this chapel had not been used as
such since the disbandment of the Templar Order; does the Presence on Holy
Ground (see the theory on HG in the FAQ) decay or move elsewhere after a
certain period of disuse? Or did the producers fall prey to a really nifty
looking location and forget it was Holy Ground? The Quickening seemed to
occur fairly normally, although I don't believe it did quite as much damage
to the surroundings as most do. Duncan didn't seem to be adversely
affected. So what gives? Any theories?
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Well, I'd LIKE to say the producers screwed up (lord, do I love saying
that), but I don't think that was the case. I don't think the Knights Templar
were themselves priests, just knights under the cross (least, that's how Duncan
put it). I don't think it was technically a holy site. The way Duncan
presented it, they weren't exactly the best of people, so perhaps it wasn't
"holy" holy ground. But if you think about it, this would make most of the
Catholic sites defunct, wouldn't it? (Hey, tell me the Inquisition was
justified. And the great Schism. And the little problems with the IRA.)
If Holy Ground expired, wouldn't that mean that the place where Duncan
built his cabin would also be defunct? (Not so sure about that one, but
maybe.) I really don't think Holy Ground expires. That doesn't make a whole
lot of sense. But then, these are Panzer/Davis writers we're talking about.
Then again, if I'm wrong, and it was holy ground, then, well, THE
PRODUCERS SCREWED UP. <g> I don't think so, though. As bad as they are, I
don't think they'd actually let such a glaring oversight go by.
Anyone else?
Regards,
Aarethin D'Nash
Nah, they COULDN'T have let something like this slip by . . .
Gina Shaw
>As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions about
>the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
>(whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
>chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
>believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
>killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
Highlander mailing list who believe TPTB didn't just screw up point out
that as you enter the site, the sign reads "Here lived Jacques DeMolay, etc.
etc." (It reads this in French, of course.) The theory is "it's a
museum, not a church or chapel. There are just a lot of religious
relics around due to DeMolay's history." -- there's armor there too,
which does bolster that theory.
The one semi-factual correction I'll make for you is that Cayhill didn't
die in a baptismal font, he died in a well. That doesn't necessarily
prove it *shouldn't* have been considered holy ground, but I guess it's
pertinent anyway.
Somehow I don't think anyone will ever agree on this one.
Gina
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On 29 Jan 1996, Elizabeth M. Langan wrote:
> As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions about
> the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
> (whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
> chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
> believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
> killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
> Ground expire? My guess would be that this chapel had not been used as
> such since the disbandment of the Templar Order; does the Presence on Holy
> Ground (see the theory on HG in the FAQ) decay or move elsewhere after a
> certain period of disuse? Or did the producers fall prey to a really nifty
> looking location and forget it was Holy Ground? The Quickening seemed to
> occur fairly normally, although I don't believe it did quite as much damage
> to the surroundings as most do. Duncan didn't seem to be adversely
> affected. So what gives? Any theories?
>
>
> --
> Betsey Langan
> lan...@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu
>
>
In "Avenging Angel" Duncan and the new immortal do fight, but it was not
holy ground.
the templars were fanatics used in the Crusades as bodyguards.
There BASE was located in Paris. The ground was never used as a place
of worship, but as a base of operations to deploy their knighthood among
the "sinners" of the outlying areas to cleanse these "damned" people.
Their knighthood only lasted for a brief time. None of them
were priests, thus the ground wasn't consecrated.
the Baptismal font was actually just a well used for water.
it's more like a cistern.
The templar knights were just that knights.
back then, reading and writing were not on the list of things to do for
a knight.
the knighthood felt that time spent trying to learn how to read or write
was better spent on horseback learning how to swing a sword and control
the horse. most, if not all knights, were illiterate.
you can't really be a priest w/o learning how to read or write.
make sense?
Tri
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were a rather 'greedy' group, and not exactly preists, where they were
fighting was probably never holy ground. But you're right, this episode
pushes it....
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> Well, I'd LIKE to say the producers screwed up (lord, do I love saying
>that), but I don't think that was the case. I don't think the Knights Templar
>were themselves priests, just knights under the cross (least, that's how Duncan
>put it). I don't think it was technically a holy site. The way Duncan
>presented it, they weren't exactly the best of people, so perhaps it wasn't
>"holy" holy ground. But if you think about it, this would make most of the
>Catholic sites defunct, wouldn't it? (Hey, tell me the Inquisition was
>justified. And the great Schism. And the little problems with the IRA.)
Hmm... let's see, you've put down the producers, the writers, and just
about everything else about Highlander: The Series. Now you've managed
to put down Catholics everywhere (a denomination to which I belong).
Catholics have no monopoly over past evils among religions or peoples.
To say that most Catholic sites should not be holy is insulting and
simply put, wrong. You've talked about how you feel insulted by the
writers on this show (FICTION), now I and the denomination of the
Christian religion to which I belong (by my belief, fact) have been
insulted by you. Which do you think is worse? More and more, your posts
remind me of trolling, only worse, trolling by someone who claims to like
the show. I'm sorry if I seem rude, but I am certainly offended by you.
Am I the only one?
As for the question at hand, the place, I believe was not a holy site in
itself, but rather a place didicated to the Templars, who were a
disbanded holy order. They were at one time holy, but the place was not.
I always liked the theory that Holy Ground in the series was not created
by man, but rather by the Creator (whomever the religion believed in),
and man was drawn to create their holy grounds in that place. This would
fit in with the "bad things happen when immortals kill on Holy Ground"
theory in making the ground not holy by man, but rather by some higher
power.
I like to think that immortals can somehow feel Holy Ground, rather than
just tell where it is by religious landmarks. Surely some places that
are Holy Ground have no visible markings, because of
time/civilization/whatever, and immortals might find themselves fighting
in these places by accident, simply because they couldn't know any
better. If fighting on Holy Ground carries any real physical penalty,
this would make sense.
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Chris Reed
(Elizabeth M. Langan) wrote:
>As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions about
>the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
>(whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
>chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
>believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
>killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
>Ground expire? My guess would be that this chapel had not been used as
[stuff deleted]
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>Betsey Langan
>lan...@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu
I was watching a show on The Learning Channel (or possibly A&E) about the
Knights of Templar awhile back. I vaugely recall that the Knights amassed a
great deal of wealth and power and the existing royality conspired with the
pope to have them "de-blessed" (maybe even excommunicated) and they were
arrested and killed. It is quite possible that all of ther chapels were no
longer considered holy ground. I wish that I had paid more attention to the
show.
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(Elizabeth M. Langan) wrote:
: As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions about
: the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
: (whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
: chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
: believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
: killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
: Ground expire? My guess would be that this chapel had not been used as
: such since the disbandment of the Templar Order; does the Presence on Holy
: Ground (see the theory on HG in the FAQ) decay or move elsewhere after a
: certain period of disuse? Or did the producers fall prey to a really nifty
: looking location and forget it was Holy Ground? The Quickening seemed to
: occur fairly normally, although I don't believe it did quite as much damage
: to the surroundings as most do. Duncan didn't seem to be adversely
: affected. So what gives? Any theories?
:
Actually the writers know exactly what happens when an immortal dies on
holy ground v. normal ground. They've said it at conventions.
You might consider that the theory in the FAQ is not the theory of the
creators of the movies/TV series.
Last point, the immortals say that they do not FIGHT on holy ground. It's
a rule. Like only fighting one-on-one.
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>I noticed that too, but my conclusion is that: Given that the Templars
>were a rather 'greedy' group, and not exactly preists, where they were
>fighting was probably never holy ground. But you're right, this episode
>pushes it....
Since what makes holy ground "holy" seems to be some sort of consecration, the
explanation would have to be that their excommunication would have
unconsecrated it.
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>Actually the writers know exactly what happens when an immortal dies on
>holy ground v. normal ground. They've said it at conventions.
Oh? And what happens?
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>lot of sense.
It doesn't have to 'expire'. A church or whatever can be de-consecrated with a
small ceremony (happens when a church is not needed (no one left etc) or, say,
when a cemetery is to be moved. If an area was used by the Knights templar
then even if it was or contained a chapel it could have easily been
de-consecrated centuries earlier. Just as a afterthought, as Catholic alters
always contain a holy relic (well it's meant to be anyway) and Catholics having
always been notoriously greedy (no flames please I'm Catholic and know a
reasonably bit about that side of the church) the chances of them not
deconsecrating a chapel way back when are pretty slim.
Rhodar
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Elizabeth M. Langan <lan...@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu> wrote:
>As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions about
>the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
>(whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
>chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
>believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
>killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
>Ground expire?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who questioned this one...Though I
doubt that Holy Ground "expires", I would bet that the writers didn't
consider this particular space holy. I can come to this conclusion only
from Duncan's very quick and sharp description of the "work" of
the Knights Templar.
[snip]
> The Quickening seemed to
>occur fairly normally, although I don't believe it did quite as much damage
>to the surroundings as most do. Duncan didn't seem to be adversely
>affected. So what gives? Any theories?
As far as damage, there was not a lot of windows, steel, or electronic
devices around to conduct or vibrate along with the energy.
Do we have any other such examples of a quickening in a
castle or the like?
When it comes to Duncan's reaction, I watched this one closely a few
times (because the personalities and characters are what I dig best --
someday, I might actually get to BE an actress.).
His facial expressions were slight, pained, and short-lived. Indicating that
it was difficult to assimilate the logic of an abused soul, but also
the peace of that soul no longer having to deal with its tortured thoughts.
I was especially impressed with the actress who plays/played Tessa
in this one (and the writers of this scene). When Duncan returns
to the barge and she has sketched her attacker, she tells Duncan
that she had to "go into his mind", and "become like him", something
that deeply disturbed her...actually more than being attacked. It's
like discovering that we are all capable of the violence, depression,
or irrationality that we usually attribute to "someone else".
[Of course, it didn't hurt my impression of the scene that Duncan
just held her and let her cry, either! :) ]
Just some ramblings...Thanks for bringing up the topic...Thought
it was only me!
rrk
BTW, the Immie was, I believe, named "Cahill".
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>>Actually the writers know exactly what happens when an immortal dies on
>>holy ground v. normal ground. They've said it at conventions.
Welcome to the Net, ladies and gentlemen, the world's largest game of
'telephone' for adults. What the writers said (in confidence to a person
who can't keep a secret) was that they had thought about doing such a story,
and planned it out, then decided that they didn't want to take the mystery
out of the question. So it's still up for grabs.
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>In Article <4eisac$h...@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
lan...@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu
>(Elizabeth M. Langan) wrote:
>>As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions
about
>>the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other
immortal
>>(whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a
Templar
>>chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
>>believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie
was
>>killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
>>Ground expire? My guess would be that this chapel had not been used as
>
>[stuff deleted]
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>>lan...@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu
>
>I was watching a show on The Learning Channel (or possibly A&E) about the
>Knights of Templar awhile back. I vaugely recall that the Knights
amassed a
>great deal of wealth and power and the existing royality conspired with
the
>pope to have them "de-blessed" (maybe even excommunicated) and they were
>arrested and killed. It is quite possible that all of ther chapels were
no
>longer considered holy ground. I wish that I had paid more attention to
the
>show.
I was going to go to the library today and check this out, but I forgot.
So I'll just go with my original thoughts and hope they're not too far
off.
Someone else postulated that maybe holy ground 'expires' due to unuse;
something which I don't think would be possible. After all, the tribe to
whom Duncan's island was holy has been gone for over a hundred years, yet
Duncan still seeks refuge there. I think in the case of a society
vanishing, their places of worship/meditation would still be considered
holy.
And, yes, I think the chapel of the Knights Templar would have been
consecrated since they were directly involved with the Church itself.
However since everything having to do with the Knights was disassociated
from the Church when they were excommunicated, their chapels and
headquarters would also have been (for lack of a better word) revoked. The
only comparison I can think of is of a knight being stripped of his honor
for misdeeds; he loses everything that he is. Likewise, the grounds of the
Knights Templar would have been stripped of their holiness (or whatever it
is that sets aside holy ground). And in the case of the Knights, they lost
both honor and holiness, and then they lost their lives.
Mesia (who really wishes she'd payed more attention in history classes)
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Consecrated ground can be unconsecrated that is probably what happenned
to that chapel.
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Rache Bartmoss
> > The Quickening seemed to
> >occur fairly normally, although I don't believe it did quite as much damage
> >to the surroundings as most do. Duncan didn't seem to be adversely
> >affected. So what gives? Any theories?
>
> As far as damage, there was not a lot of windows, steel, or electronic
> devices around to conduct or vibrate along with the energy.
> Do we have any other such examples of a quickening in a
> castle or the like?
And have you ever noticed how very often that seems to happen?
I'm not certain what city the series takes place in, (Yeah, I know.
Sometimes Paris, but I mean the other one.) but I want to move there and
go into the glass and window repair business. You could retire in a
month!
On a similar subject (This has probably been done to death, but
I'm relatively new here.) who makes those cool, seemingly everyday
clothes that one can hide a sword under. I recall the one with Sheena
Easton (The title escapes me.) she pulls her sword out from behind her
back, wearing a very short jacket. My own theory is that there is an
Immortal tailor who is considered "off limits" and/or bargains for his
life by making these special garments.
There can be only me,
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>
> i love how the French have managed to rewrite thier own history
> when it came to the Knights Templar. Geeze, and i thought
> Scotland's history was twisted...
>
Not twisted, just mis-taught. Did you know that the Templars
had sanctuary in Scotland long after they were outlawed
elsewhere in Europe? Supposedly there is a link (I cannot
remember the details off the top of my head) between the
Templars in Scotland and the Robin Hood legends. Give me time and
I'll check it, if you insist.
(remeber that one of the supposed titles of Robin Hood was the
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bart...@fredbox.fred.com "Rache Bartmoss" writes:
(snip)
> On a similar subject (This has probably been done to death, but
> I'm relatively new here.) who makes those cool, seemingly everyday
> clothes that one can hide a sword under. I recall the one with Sheena
> Easton (The title escapes me.) she pulls her sword out from behind her
> back, wearing a very short jacket. My own theory is that there is an
> Immortal tailor who is considered "off limits" and/or bargains for his
> life by making these special garments.
>
An Immortal tailor - can I apply for the job? (thinking about taking
MacLeod's and Richie's inside leg measurements. snigger.)
chl...@ibm.net
>>
SNIP
> I recall the one with Sheena
>Easton (The title escapes me.) she pulls her sword out from behind her
>back, wearing a very short jacket. My own theory is that there is an
>Immortal tailor who is considered "off limits" and/or bargains for his
>life by making these special garments.
Do you want to hear another theory? The series hasn't gotten into this so far,
but along with the secret society of the watchers, there is another secret
society of the "carriers". These people are charged with carrying swords
for the immies, being always close at hand ( but not too close, so as to
help avoid problems at crime scenes with the police ) and must always
provide the sword at the appropriate time. As to what would prevent
immies from interfering with other immies' carriers, there are extensive
rules of the game devoted to this problem. These too have not been
covered in the FAQS and the discussions here, nor explained in the
films or the tv shows. My own theory is that carriers too are from Zeist,
and are invulnerable, thus protected. They live forever but are not eligible
for the prize.
:)
Patricia Lawson
>but along with the secret society of the watchers, there is another secret
>society of the "carriers". These people are charged with carrying swords
>for the immies, being always close at hand ( but not too close, so as to
>help avoid problems at crime scenes with the police ) and must always
>provide the sword at the appropriate time. As to what would prevent
>immies from interfering with other immies' carriers, there are extensive
>rules of the game devoted to this problem. These too have not been
>covered in the FAQS and the discussions here, nor explained in the
>films or the tv shows. My own theory is that carriers too are from Zeist,
>and are invulnerable, thus protected. They live forever but are not eligible
>for the prize.
>
>:)
Wow, this is the closest anyone has come to yet to finding us out.
Your theory is far to accurate for our confort.
You do have a couple of the details wrong however. We are not called "carriers",
but are known affectionately to our Immortals as "ferrets". This comes from our
ability to ferret-out hiding places, an essential talent if we are to stay hidden
and yet still be close to hand when our Immie needs his/her weapon.
They other detail you have wrong is our origin. We aren't from Zeist, but
from another, lesser-know planet. We were concered by Zeist centuries ago.
Thus our subservance and ineligibility for the Prize. Our own immortality is
provided by genetic enhancement. :-)
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> As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions about
> the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
> (whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
> chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
> believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
> killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
> Ground expire? My guess would be that this chapel had not been used as
> Ground (see the theory on HG in the FAQ) decay or move elsewhere after a
> certain period of disuse? Or did the producers fall prey to a really nifty
> to the surroundings as most do. Duncan didn't seem to be adversely
> affected. So what gives? Any theories?
>
>
> Betsey Langan
> lan...@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu
All seemingly good arguments but the opening credits from Season 2 episode one answers this question definitively. It's Holy ground. See for yourself. I'll post a side by side picture of the part in the opening credits where he says "with Holy Ground his only refuge" and guess what? It's literally flash of the scene from "Avenging Angel" where Duncan kills Cahill.
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> As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions about
> the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
> (whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
> chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
> believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
> killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
> Ground expire? My guess would be that this chapel had not been used as
> such since the disbandment of the Templar Order; does the Presence on Holy
> Ground (see the theory on HG in the FAQ) decay or move elsewhere after a
> certain period of disuse? Or did the producers fall prey to a really nifty
> looking location and forget it was Holy Ground? The Quickening seemed to
> occur fairly normally, although I don't believe it did quite as much damage
> to the surroundings as most do. Duncan didn't seem to be adversely
> affected. So what gives? Any theories?
>
>
> --
> Betsey Langan
> lan...@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu
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> As I was watching "Avenging Angel" last night on USA, I had questions about
> the Holy Ground rule. The space in which Duncan fought the other immortal
> (whose name I've forgotten <hangs head in shame>) was apparently a Templar
> chapel at one point; there was a cross at one end of the room, with (I
> believe) an altar in front of it, and the structure in which the immie was
> killed was apparently a baptismal font. So I have to wonder: Does Holy
> Ground expire? My guess would be that this chapel had not been used as
> such since the disbandment of the Templar Order; does the Presence on Holy
> Ground (see the theory on HG in the FAQ) decay or move elsewhere after a
> certain period of disuse? Or did the producers fall prey to a really nifty
> looking location and forget it was Holy Ground? The Quickening seemed to
> occur fairly normally, although I don't believe it did quite as much damage
> to the surroundings as most do. Duncan didn't seem to be adversely
> affected. So what gives? Any theories?
>
>
> --
> Betsey Langan
> lan...@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu
Juliana Chizda
>
> Sorry, here's the link. http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx297/Tenaciousbt/holy%20ground%20opening%20credits_zps5zsj2tap.jpg
I can try for a response. That scene may have been chosen for the opening credits simply because it looked really neat, without someone worrying too much over whether or not it was "really" Holy Ground.
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Juliana Chizda
> This thread is so very old, but still the first search result I come across whilst re-watching this immortal series. There can be only one!!!
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>
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