Duncan on Killing Spree from 1992-1998?!
Comic-Kaze
Now in the series he got an average of one kill per episode. That means 22
episodes x 6 seasons = 132 kills minus maybe 30 non lethal episodes. LOL,
does that mean MacLeod got 72 kills in his first 368 years?! (from 1624 to
1992) And then he suddenly went bloody mad and took 102 heads in a period of
only 6 years?
He went from getting 0.19 heads/year to over 17 heads/year. Did his boss
suddenly demand a higher workload? A daily quota? Well the only rational
explanation I have is that perhaps the GATHERING began in 1985 so headcount
increased dramatically after this time.
But if you consider this kill percentage...Connor MacLeod died in 1536.
Connor has 262 confirmed immortal kills according to Endgame. If you read
his count as more a normal count (not influenced by the ep to ep demands of
a TV series), that is 0.56 heads a year (262 kills/2002-1541 [Year he meets
Ramirez and thus, hasn't had any kills previous]).
Now if you apply that to Methos who I believe is about as adept if not more
profficient than Connor MacLeod (definitely much more
blood-thirsty/cold-blooded/utterly-evil in the past)...Let's just say 0.6
heads/year x 5000 years... that is over 3000 unconfirmed immortal kills! He
could take on 4.5 Kell's (661 confirmed kills) at a time while sipping wine
from his vineyard!!!
If Duncan ever had to face Methos, he would have utterly no chance! That
is...if we follow the Endgame theory of having more raw count kills (not
cumulative from defeated immortal's kills) = more powerful.
-Jeremy
Mark Nguyen
Comic-Kaze wrote:
> Duncan MacLeod amassed 174 immortal kills since becoming immortal in 1624.
> Now in the series he got an average of one kill per episode. That means 22
> episodes x 6 seasons = 132 kills minus maybe 30 non lethal episodes.
Uh, not really... I did a count once, a while ago, and it turns out that
Duncan killed about 80 Immortals in 119 episodes (22 each in season 1-4,
18 in season 5, 13 in season six). I don't have the exact numbers
anymore. But it certainly wasn't an average of once per episode. In the
first ten episodes of the second season, for example, Duncan killed
"only" two Immortals (Michael Moore and Anthony Galen).
LOL,
> does that mean MacLeod got 72 kills in his first 368 years?! (from 1624 to
> 1992) And then he suddenly went bloody mad and took 102 heads in a period of
> only 6 years?
The numbers are a little scrambled, but the idea is still true.
> He went from getting 0.19 heads/year to over 17 heads/year. Did his boss
> suddenly demand a higher workload? A daily quota? Well the only rational
> explanation I have is that perhaps the GATHERING began in 1985 so headcount
> increased dramatically after this time.
The reason behind this is indirectly described in the first episode,
which established that Duncan was on a break from all the obsessive
do-gooding that characterized his actions over the course of the series.
He came out of retirement at the point, got all judgemental again, and
started killing Immortals.
Even better, he tended to move frequently. After all the eveil Immortals
had been killed off in Seascouver or Paris, he suddenly moved to the
opposite city. This allowed the evil Immortals to repopulate the city he
just left, letting him return to a city full of bad guys again by the
next season. ;)
"Observe the migration habits of the common Evilimmie. Once the
Evilimmie'snatural predator, the elusive Boyscoutimmie, flies East from
Seacouver for the Winter, the Evilimmies will claim the vacated
territory as their own, often claiming houses and location sets formerly
occipied by other Evilimmies. However, the elusive Boyscoutimmie always
returns in the following season, thereto wreak havoc and thus reduce the
innocent Evilimmie population once again..."
> But if you consider this kill percentage...Connor MacLeod died in 1536.
> Connor has 262 confirmed immortal kills according to Endgame. If you read
> his count as more a normal count (not influenced by the ep to ep demands of
> a TV series), that is 0.56 heads a year (262 kills/2002-1541 [Year he meets
> Ramirez and thus, hasn't had any kills previous]).
Well, we don't really know when Connor's first Quickening was. He could
have met and beheaded someone by chance without really knowing what was
going on. Duncan did just that in 1624, and had perviously fought
Kanwulf (winning on a fluke, and leaving Kanwulf for dead in
"Homeland").
Anyway, Connor still had way more kills than Duncan did on average up to
1992, when he went to the Sanctuary. He was a heck of a lot more busy
than Duncan. What a guy.
> Now if you apply that to Methos who I believe is about as adept if not more
> profficient than Connor MacLeod (definitely much more
> blood-thirsty/cold-blooded/utterly-evil in the past)...Let's just say 0.6
> heads/year x 5000 years... that is over 3000 unconfirmed immortal kills! He
> could take on 4.5 Kell's (661 confirmed kills) at a time while sipping wine
> from his vineyard!!!
Well, that's assuming that there were that many Immortals back then. He
may have spent up to 2000 years as an evil SOB, but back then there
weren't that many people - or Immies. Then for the past couple millenium
at least, Methos has been staying out of the game, avoiding Immies, and
doing whatever he needed to stay alive. I'm sure Methos has decapitated
a bunch of people, but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't as much as
Connor or Kell.
> If Duncan ever had to face Methos, he would have utterly no chance! That
> is...if we follow the Endgame theory of having more raw count kills (not
> cumulative from defeated immortal's kills) = more powerful.
> -Jeremy
Maybe... Maybe not. Okay, so Duncan killed 172 people + Connor. Kell did
in 665 or so befroe getting whacked. If you count everyone that their
kills have killed, I doubt that the simple numbers would equivovate.
Mark
Mark Nguyen
Additional: while watching "Simpsons" tonight, I counted Duncan's
confirmed kills during the commercial breaks. Within the context of the
show, Duncan killed "only" sixty Immortals (not counting various
flashback kills). What's more, he's only ever killed more than one
Immortal in the context of any single episode: Peter Matlin and Liman
Kurlow in "Blackmail", and Caspian and Kronos in "Revelations 6:8". This
means that he's killed roughly 110 people between 1624 and 1992.
Mark
First Fallen
62 Quickenings, although some of these were through "different"
circumstanced ie. Jacob Galati, Alexi Voshin etc. He also proved himself
the better swordsman in 72 battles, but allowed some of them live.
That gives him an average of about 6 kills a year, since 1992 (assuming
Endgame takes place in 2002).
That leaves 112 confirmed kills from the time Duncan killed the Hermit in
the cave (Timothy of Gilliam) in 1625, up to 1992. 112 confirmed kills over
367 years gives an average of 0.3 kills per year. Considering how few he
probably took in those early years this sounds reasonable. It's not like
you could hop in a jet an be in another country in a few hours in the 17th,
18th and 19th centuries. Encountering another Immortal probably didn't
happen a lot. Duncan likely went years at a time without coming across
another of his kind.
As the world became a smaller place, I'm sure Immortal encounters became
more frequent. I will admit that Duncan seems more active than other
Immortals. Something that has always amused me is when Joe mentions that
Horvant Kant had killed 10 Immortals in the past 5 years as though - "Oooh
careful Mac, this guy's a badass." All the while, Duncan had tripled his
record.
>Duncan MacLeod amassed 174 immortal kills since becoming immortal in 1624.
Small correction...he became Immortal in 1622.
First Fallen
freaky!
Mark Nguyen
Ehh. Calgarians think alike. ;)
Mark
Mark Nguyen
First Fallen wrote:
>
> According to my research, from 1992 until the events of Endgame, Duncan took
> 62 Quickenings, although some of these were through "different"
> circumstanced ie. Jacob Galati, Alexi Voshin etc. He also proved himself
> the better swordsman in 72 battles, but allowed some of them live.
Eh? I went over the notes again, and I came up with 59 kills. Plus, he
recieved Jacob Galati's quickening. Names follow (interested people
write this down! I'm not gonna post it again!
Slan Quince
Howard Crowley
Caleb Cole
Alexei Voshin
Walter Reinhart
Andrew Ballin
Grayson
Christoph Kuyler
Carlo Sendaro
Zachary Blaine
Gabriel Pitone
Alfred Cahill
Michael Moore
Anthony Galen
Tommy Sullivan
Xavier St. Cloud
Nicholas Ward
Arthur Drake
Nefertiri
Luther
Martin Hyde
Michael Kent
Kern
Paul Karros
Armin Thorne
Axel Whittaker
Brian Cullen
John Garrick
Peter Matlin
Liman Kurlow
Michael Christian
Ernst Daimler
Lucas Kagan
Kalas
Kanwulf
Andrew Cord
Tyler King
Peter Kanis
Terrence Kinkaid
Simon Killian
Paul Kinman
Kamir
John Coltec
Sean Burns
Damon Case
Morgan D’Estaing
[Jacob Galati]
Roland Kantos
Haresh Clay
John Kelley
Gerard Kragen
Gavriel Larca
Ingrid Henning
Caspian
Kronos
Otavio Consone
Lord Byron
Richie Ryan
Devon Marek
Liam O’Rourke
Breaks are between seasons. It's in chronological order, I think. Am I
missing anyone?
Mark
First Fallen
Duncan fought him, but Amanda struck the killing blow and got the
Quickening.
I included Jacob Kell and Connor MacLeod in my count, and accidentally
counted Richard Tarsis in my original tally (MacLeod killed him in 1930)
The following is an alphabetical listing of the 61 Immortals that Duncan has
killed in the 10 year span from the beginning of the series through Endgame:
Andrew Ballin
Sean Burns
Lord Byron
Alfred Cahill
Damon Case
Caspian
Michael Christian
Haresh Clay
Caleb Cole
Coltec
Otavio Consone
Andrew Cord
Howard Crowley
Brian Cullen
Morgan D'Estaing
Ernst Daimler
Artur Drakov
John Durgan
Jacob Galati
Anthony Gallen
John Garrick
Grayson
Ingrid Henning
Martin Hyde
Lucas Kagan
Antonius Kalas
Kamir
Peter Kanis
Roland Kantos
Kanwulf
Paul Karros
Jacob Kell
John Kelly
Michael Kent
Kern
Simon Killian
Terence Kincaid
Tyler King
Paul Kinman
Gerard Kragen
Kronos
Lymon Kurlow
Christoph Kuyler
Gavriel Larca
Luther
Connor MacLeod
Devon Marek
Peter Matlin
Michael Moore
Nefertiri
Liam O'Rourke
Gabriel Piton
Slan Quince
Walter Reinhardt
Richard Ryan
Carlo Sendarro
Xavier St. Cloud
Thomas Sullivan
Alexi Voshin
Nicholas Ward
Axel Whittaker
Mark Nguyen
First Fallen wrote:
>
> >Zachary Blaine
>
> Duncan fought him, but Amanda struck the killing blow and got the
> Quickening.
Oops, correct.
> I included Jacob Kell and Connor MacLeod in my count, and accidentally
> counted Richard Tarsis in my original tally (MacLeod killed him in 1930)
Ah, good. So our lists agree now.
> The following is an alphabetical listing of the 61 Immortals that Duncan has
> killed in the 10 year span from the beginning of the series through Endgame:
[list omitted]
Of which, 30 last names begin with a K or hard C sound. Kimmies rule!
Mark
CDB
Who was Howard Crowley?
Thanks.
Diane
watches Lonesome Dove, needs HL refresher course :)
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First Fallen
>Who was Howard Crowley?
He was the Sheriff who had killed Duncan's friend Lucas Desiree (the
Confederate Officer who hung Duncan, then dug him up and let him go).
Crowley blammed a homeless veteran (played by Vincent Schiavelli) for the
murder.
Mark Nguyen
CDB wrote:
>
> Thanks for the list. One question. I can place them all but one.
> Who was Howard Crowley?
Howard Crowley was the Sheriff guy in the first season's "An Innocent
Man". He killed Immortal Lucas Desiree, and tried to blame it on the
resident bum.
Which *does* put him on the list of Duncan's least deserving to die
people, I believe. It's been years since I've seen the episode (they've
never shown the first season where I live, exept for the first time),
but didn't Crowley's killing of Desiree fit perfectly within the
confines of the Game? Sure, it was wrong to frame the bum, but TCBOO...
Mind you, this was hardly a memorable episode IMO.
Mark
First Fallen
enough reason for Duncan to go after him...and what's wrong with going after
an Immortal for killing a friend?
I find it interesting that people have used TCBOO to add Immortals to the
list of Duncan's least deserving kills.
Why does Duncan need a good reason for killing an Immortal, but TCBOO is
good enough reason for anyone else to do it?
Mark Nguyen
First Fallen wrote:
>
> Crowley was also a jerk. I think framing the bum for the murder was good
> enough reason for Duncan to go after him...and what's wrong with going after
> an Immortal for killing a friend?
>
> I find it interesting that people have used TCBOO to add Immortals to the
> list of Duncan's least deserving kills.
>
> Why does Duncan need a good reason for killing an Immortal, but TCBOO is
> good enough reason for anyone else to do it?
It's because Duncan is supposed to hold the higher moral ground when it
comes to dealing with Immortal (and mortal) affairs. Despite being one
overly judgemental SOB in the series, Duncan's innate goodness was
supposed to give hims justifyable cause for killing people.
In his own words: "If you don't have to... Don't".
Mark
Jerri LaPoint
> Howard Crowley was the Sheriff guy in the first season's
> "An Innocent Man". He killed Immortal Lucas Desiree,
> and tried to blame it on the resident bum.
> Which *does* put him on the list of Duncan's least
> deserving to die people, I believe. It's been years since
> I've seen the episode (they've never shown the first
> season where I live, exept for the first time), but didn't
> Crowley's killing of Desiree fit perfectly within the
> confines of the Game? Sure, it was wrong to frame the
> bum, but TCBOO...
> Mind you, this was hardly a memorable episode IMO.
There were several things extremely memorable about this episode. It's one
of my favorites. Duncan never looked better, but that's beside the point.
[ahem] Crowley's death fit perfectly within the confines of the Game, too,
and he wasn't the only Immortal whacked because he killed one of Duncan's
friends. Trying to frame that poor addle-pated veteran and send him to the
electric chair was kind of reprehensible, and proved that Crowley deserved
to die ... by Duncan's justice-o-meter. As if he needed an excuse other than
TCBOO.
Jerri
John Biltz
Moose Who Likes a Good Burger
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Jerri LaPoint
> The hamburger scene is the best thing in it.
> I really like that scene.
The hamburger scene is definitely Richie at his best [Richie can order a
hamburger for me anytime ... the guy knows his burgers], with Duncan and the
waitress as his foils. For an episode out of Season One, this one has lots
of memorable stuff.
Jerri
DonnaLetto
'Cause after all, we've seen every single moment of every day of Duncan's life
in the course of 119 hours of television and 1 1/2 hours of movie?
Not.
If you're really that bored, count up the number of days of Duncan's life
you've actually been privy to.
Donna
(Literalists. Why does it always have to be literalists?)
Mark Nguyen
DonnaLetto wrote:
>
> >Additional: while watching "Simpsons" tonight, I counted Duncan's
> >confirmed kills during the commercial breaks. Within the context of the
> >show, Duncan killed "only" sixty Immortals (not counting various
> >flashback kills). What's more, he's only ever killed more than one
> >Immortal in the context of any single episode: Peter Matlin and Liman
> >Kurlow in "Blackmail", and Caspian and Kronos in "Revelations 6:8". This
> >means that he's killed roughly 110 people between 1624 and 1992.
> >
> >Mark
>
> 'Cause after all, we've seen every single moment of every day of Duncan's life
> in the course of 119 hours of television and 1 1/2 hours of movie?
>
> Not.
True. For all we know, Duncan's killed a whole mess of Immortals without
the need of an episode. He'd get challenged every once in a while by
this person or that, purely for the TCBOO thing.
Immortal: I am Person X from Place Y. I challenge you!
Duncan: Okay.
[Hack. Slash. Zap zap.]
Duncan: Whatever. What's for lunch?
Mark
GinjerB
(DonnaLetto) writes:
>Subject: Re: Duncan on Killing Spree from 1992-1998?!
>From: donna...@aol.com (DonnaLetto)
>Date: 05 Mar 2001 16:28:12 GMT
<<Hey, you were the SPORTS NIGHT fan--this is stats! <G>
GinjerB
GinjerB
<mng...@killspamhotmail.com> writes:
>Subject: Re: Duncan on Killing Spree from 1992-1998?!
>From: Mark Nguyen <mng...@killspamhotmail.com>
>Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:47:35 GMT
<<Probably more --"Joe, I need a beer." <g>
GinjerB
DonnaLetto
>
>GinjerB
Yes, but there aren't innings of a baseball game that aren't televised or open
to the public. Therefore, you can reliable stats if you watch the whole
season.
There are vast segments of Duncan's "game" that haven't been televised.
Donna
(for example, has yet to see Duncan have a bowel movement. Has, however, seen
him pee and wishes she hadn't...)
GinjerB
(DonnaLetto) writes:
>Subject: Re: Duncan on Killing Spree from 1992-1998?!
>From: donna...@aol.com (DonnaLetto)
>Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:16:37 GMT
<<But when push comes to, people who revel in stats will make do with even
partial info! <g>
Uh, and when did we see Dunkie go potty? I think I've blotted that out. (or
should it be--wiped it from my mind?)
GinjerB
DonnaLetto
>Uh, and when did we see Dunkie go potty? I think I've blotted that out. (or
>should it be--wiped it from my mind?)
In "Courage," he and Cullen stagger out of their carriage in the Swiss
flashback and take a whizz in the road.
If someone tells me that didn't make the domestic cut, I will be a very happy
camper <g>
Donna
GinjerB
(DonnaLetto) writes:
>Subject: Re: Duncan on Killing Spree from 1992-1998?!
>From: donna...@aol.com (DonnaLetto)
>Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:48:41 GMT
<<Nooo-now that you mention it, I'm remembering...
GinjerB (Tinkle, Tinkle, Highland Star.)
Jerri LaPoint
> Uh, and when did we see Dunkie go potty?
> I think I've blotted that out. (or
> should it be--wiped it from my mind?)
Episode "Courage" ... Duncan and Brian Cullen are standing in the middle of
the road, backs to the camera, takin' a whiz. We don't see puddles on the
ground, but we do see them adjusting themselves as they turn to face the
camera.
I consider this to be the obligatory "takin' a whiz" scene for the series
... it seems that ever since Mel Gibson did it in Lethal Weapon, everyone's
gotta do it. Maybe it started before Lethal Weapon, but at least in Lethal
Weapon we got to see Mel's beautiful bare bottom as he walked across his
trailer to the toilet. Of course, then we got to watch him simultaneously
pee and drink a beer, which wasn't so beautiful ... but there we have it.
Jerri [thinks Mel Gibson had extra primo good butt]
Jerri LaPoint
> In "Courage," he and Cullen stagger out of their
> carriage in the Swiss flashback and take a whizz
> in the road. If someone tells me that didn't make
> the domestic cut, I will be a very happy
> camper <g>
Since I taped all the episodes from television, either USA or syndi-station,
I can inform you that the scene is in the domestic cut.
Jerri
DonnaLetto
>I consider this to be the obligatory "takin' a whiz" scene for the series
>... it seems that ever since Mel Gibson did it in Lethal Weapon, everyone's
>gotta do it.
In our defense, it wasn't in the "Courage" script. It was something that was
added while they were blocking the scene -- they thought it would be "cute."
Blech.
Donna
(hates potty humor)
Jerri LaPoint
> Jerri:
It seemed kind of out of place for Highlander, but like I said if Mel does
it, everyone does it. <G> Kind of like the "hero in a straitjacket,
dislocates his shoulder to get out of it, then has to ram his shoulder into
a wall to get it back into place" thang .. (episode: The Colonel / MG flick:
Lethal Weapon 2)
Jerri [waiting for Duncan to paint his face blue and shake his bare butt at
the enemy army] [Highlander 5: BraveButt]
3D Master
>
> Liam O'Rourke
Heh, heh. Liam O'Rourke, aka Angel.
3D Master
CDB
forgotten the name.
Diane
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Gerard J Keating (Ireland)
> Now in the series he got an average of one kill per episode. That means 22
> episodes x 6 seasons = 132 kills minus maybe 30 non lethal episodes. LOL,
> does that mean MacLeod got 72 kills in his first 368 years?! (from 1624 to
> 1992) And then he suddenly went bloody mad and took 102 heads in a period
of
> only 6 years?
Maybe he took heads "between" episodes, remember there is 22 episodes a
year, but the year is 52 week, Dunce could have takes a few heads during
hiatus...
Shomeret
thing. Also I think it was probably supposed to indicate comradely behavior.
Duncan wouldn't get that drunk with someone that he didn't consider a good
friend.
Shomeret
HiRene23
>the enemy army] [Highlander 5: BraveButt]
>
Oh my... and will the butt be half-blue too? ;)
Rene <has a certain fondness for the occasional potty humor>
Jerri LaPoint
> >Jerri [waiting for Duncan to paint his face
> >blue and shake his bare butt at
> >the enemy army] [Highlander 5: BraveButt]
> Oh my... and will the butt be half-blue too? ;)
Yes, but not the half you think.
Jerri
Susan Stansfield
In article <97v8sm$bo8$1...@news3.cadvision.com>, "First Fallen" <no...@nope.com>
wrote:
>Something that has always amused me is when Joe mentions that
>Horvant Kant had killed 10 Immortals in the past 5 years as though - "Oooh
>careful Mac, this guy's a badass." All the while, Duncan had tripled his
>record.
I think motive figures into this very strongly. Kant killed for the sake of
killing. Duncan kills when he believes there's a good reason for it; i.e. to
protect innocent people.
Susan
Susan Stansfield
In article <3AA3129A...@killspamhotmail.com>, Mark Nguyen
<mng...@killspamhotmail.com> wrote:
>"Observe the migration habits of the common Evilimmie. Once the
>Evilimmie'snatural predator, the elusive Boyscoutimmie, flies East from
>Seacouver for the Winter, the Evilimmies will claim the vacated
>territory as their own, often claiming houses and location sets formerly
>occipied by other Evilimmies. However, the elusive Boyscoutimmie always
>returns in the following season, thereto wreak havoc and thus reduce the
>innocent Evilimmie population once again..."
LOL!!
Susan
TBird
<mng...@killspamhotmail.com> writes:
> What's more, he's only ever killed more than one
>Immortal in the context of any single episode: Peter Matlin and Liman
>Kurlow in "Blackmail", and Caspian and Kronos in "Revelations 6:8".
This is why my father in law didn't like HL:TS - only one person got whacked at
a time.
TBird <--- still laughing about that one
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DMVTREK
<mng...@killspamhotmail.com> writes:
>Eh? I went over the notes again, and I came up with 59 kills. Plus, he
>recieved Jacob Galati's quickening. Names follow (interested people
>write this down! I'm not gonna post it again!
>
>Slan Quince
>Howard Crowley
>Caleb Cole
>Alexei Voshin
>Walter Reinhart
>Andrew Ballin
>Grayson
>Christoph Kuyler
>Carlo Sendaro
>Zachary Blaine
>Gabriel Pitone
>Alfred Cahill
>
>Michael Moore
>Anthony Galen
>Tommy Sullivan
>Xavier St. Cloud
>Nicholas Ward
>Arthur Drake
>Nefertiri
>Luther
>Martin Hyde
>
>Michael Kent
>Kern
>Paul Karros
>Armin Thorne
>Axel Whittaker
>Brian Cullen
>John Garrick
>Peter Matlin
>Liman Kurlow
>Michael Christian
>Ernst Daimler
>Lucas Kagan
>Kalas
>
>Kanwulf
>Andrew Cord
>Tyler King
>Peter Kanis
>Terrence Kinkaid
>Simon Killian
>Paul Kinman
>Kamir
>John Coltec
>Sean Burns
>Damon Case
>Morgan D’Estaing
>[Jacob Galati]
>
>Roland Kantos
>Haresh Clay
>John Kelley
>Gerard Kragen
>Gavriel Larca
>Ingrid Henning
>Caspian
>Kronos
>Otavio Consone
>Lord Byron
>Richie Ryan
>
>Devon Marek
>Liam O’Rourke
>
>Breaks are between seasons. It's in chronological order, I think. Am I
>missing anyone?
>
>Mark
Yeah you missed three ---
Michel de Burgoyne the knight that came upon Duncan and that obnoxious kid he
was teaching to play chess in Unholy Alliance I.
And Charles Browning of York the guy who saved Duncan from being beheaded after
he was caught poaching in the King's Forest. He pretended to be Duncan's friend
and took him to a tavern and got him drunk and then tried for his head that was
in the episode Counterfeit Part I.
The third was the hermit in the cave from Archangel whose name on the Watcher
CD was given as Timothy of Gilliam.
Now if we are counting the Watcher CD as canon there is a battle that took
place between Duncan and some guy named Lothar. The Watcher who was supposed to
be watching the fight was in a nightclub in a Disco Dance contest,which he won.
According to the Watcher CD this takes place in Cannes 1978.
Dana
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First Fallen
1998. Hence the subject line. <g>
DMVTREK wrote in message <20010311004208...@nso-mh.aol.com>...
DMVTREK
writes:
>We were only counting the Immortals that Duncan killed between 1992 and
>1998. Hence the subject line. <g>
>
Oops-- sorry it was late at night and I was playing catch up with the posts.
First Fallen
>>1998. Hence the subject line. <g>
>>
>
>Oops-- sorry it was late at night and I was playing catch up with the
posts.
No problem...we were talking about the staggering amount of Immortals that
Duncan killed over a 6 year span.
DMVTREK
writes:
>No problem...we were talking about the staggering amount of Immortals that
>Duncan killed over a 6 year span.
>
Yes he was a busy beaver, wasn't he !
Pranay Bansod
> Duncan MacLeod amassed 174 immortal kills since becoming immortal in 1624.
> Now in the series he got an average of one kill per episode. That means 22
> episodes x 6 seasons = 132 kills minus maybe 30 non lethal episodes. LOL,
> does that mean MacLeod got 72 kills in his first 368 years?! (from 1624 to
> 1992) And then he suddenly went bloody mad and took 102 heads in a period of
> only 6 years?
> suddenly demand a higher workload? A daily quota? Well the only rational
> explanation I have is that perhaps the GATHERING began in 1985 so headcount
> increased dramatically after this time.
> But if you consider this kill percentage...Connor MacLeod died in 1536.
> Connor has 262 confirmed immortal kills according to Endgame. If you read
> his count as more a normal count (not influenced by the ep to ep demands of
> a TV series), that is 0.56 heads a year (262 kills/2002-1541 [Year he meets
> Ramirez and thus, hasn't had any kills previous]).
> Now if you apply that to Methos who I believe is about as adept if not more
> profficient than Connor MacLeod (definitely much more
> blood-thirsty/cold-blooded/utterly-evil in the past)...Let's just say 0.6
> heads/year x 5000 years... that is over 3000 unconfirmed immortal kills! He
> could take on 4.5 Kell's (661 confirmed kills) at a time while sipping wine
> from his vineyard!!!
> If Duncan ever had to face Methos, he would have utterly no chance! That
> is...if we follow the Endgame theory of having more raw count kills (not
> cumulative from defeated immortal's kills) = more powerful.
> -Jeremy
Shut up.
Nicholas Ward
For example: from the Watcher chronicles we know that Axel Whittaker took many heads (>80) but Axel's Quickening would only add one to Duncan's total in the watcher database.
I understand that it can be used as a general rule of thumb to estimate the powers of immortals, in the sense that more kills would mean more power. But that only applies if it is assumed that the groups of defeated immortals follow a normal distribution in power. Which might not be as clear cut.
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> Connor has 262 confirmed immortal kills according to Endgame. If you read
> his count as more a normal count (not influenced by the ep to ep demands of
> a TV series), that is 0.56 heads a year (262 kills/2002-1541 [Year he meets
> Ramirez and thus, hasn't had any kills previous]).