re; Darius
180102...@sscl.uwo.ca
supposed sensing of pre-immortal Connor. Who is to say that Connor was truly
a pre immortal? Could Connor not have died earlier of some disease so common
in thos times and just not have known it? This would explain the Kurgan's
recognition.
Just a thought.
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180102...@sscl.uwo.ca where reason is left free
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G MORAN
> 180102...@sscl.uwo.ca wrote:
> : I've seen many people on this group who refer to the Kurgan's
> : a pre immortal? Could Connor not have died earlier of some disease so common
> : in thos times and just not have known it? This would explain the Kurgan's
> : recognition.
> : Just a thought.
> It would make absolutely no sense for Connor to have been immortal already
> before the battle with the Frasers. Think about it. This was the very
> first Highlander there ever was, the very first introduction that anyone
> had to the mythos. They're going to show Connor *becoming* immortal.
> They wouldn't have skipped it. That was his first death. In movie canon,
> pre-immortals can sense and be sensed by immortals. (Even in the series,
> immortals can sense pre-immortals at least sometimes.)
Yeah, but Richie NEVER SENSED ANY IMMORTALS previous to his 'death'
so the series contradicts itself.
gavan
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Mark Gadzikowski
> Yeah, but Richie NEVER SENSED ANY IMMORTALS previous to his 'death'
>so the series contradicts itself.
Hmm. I cannot recall any time that a potential immortal sensed immortals prior
to his/her first death. Perhaps you can elucidate on this alleged
contradiction?
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Claire Maier
: Claire Maier (bioa...@unix.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: > 180102...@sscl.uwo.ca wrote:
: > : I've seen many people on this group who refer to the Kurgan's
: > : supposed sensing of pre-immortal Connor. Who is to say that Connor was truly
: > : a pre immortal? Could Connor not have died earlier of some disease so common
: > : in thos times and just not have known it? This would explain the Kurgan's
: > : recognition.
: > : Just a thought.
: > It would make absolutely no sense for Connor to have been immortal already
: > before the battle with the Frasers. Think about it. This was the very
: > first Highlander there ever was, the very first introduction that anyone
: > had to the mythos. They're going to show Connor *becoming* immortal.
: > They wouldn't have skipped it. That was his first death. In movie canon,
: > pre-immortals can sense and be sensed by immortals. (Even in the series,
: > immortals can sense pre-immortals at least sometimes.)
: Yeah, but Richie NEVER SENSED ANY IMMORTALS previous to his 'death'
: so the series contradicts itself.
The series did not contradict itself in this respect. Series pre-immies
cannot sense immies. They have no way of knowing that they will be
immortal--Duncan tells Michelle that. Series immies can sense pre-immies
at least under some conditions, but not the other way around. Movie
immies and pre-immies can sense each other. This is one of the
differences between the movie and series universes.
The series has not been self-consistent on several issues, but this isn't
one of them. Series pre-immies have never been able to sense immortals,
and the series has been perfectly consistent on this point.
Dark...@psu.edu
I thought the Kurgan caused Connor to feel him.
G MORAN
> The series did not contradict itself in this respect. Series pre-immies
> cannot sense immies. They have no way of knowing that they will be
> immortal--Duncan tells Michelle that. Series immies can sense pre-immies
> at least under some conditions, but not the other way around. Movie
> immies and pre-immies can sense each other. This is one of the
> differences between the movie and series universes.
> The series has not been self-consistent on several issues, but this isn't
> one of them. Series pre-immies have never been able to sense immortals,
> and the series has been perfectly consistent on this point.
Hold on a moment, how come Duncan was able to sense a pre-immortal
Richie but not any of the other immortals who came across Richie? He
_did_ meet a few evil dudes but they never seem to have made any
moves to take his head so I'm assuming they didn't sense him. Thats
pretty inconsistent.
And in the movie, we only saw the one scene where a pre-immie met
a real immie and that _could_ have been caused by the Kurgan _making_
Connor aware of his presence. Don't forget the scene where Ramirez
first meets Connor, Connor doesn't get the 'buzz' immediately, he was
talking to Ramirez for a bit and then when Ramirez mentions the buzz
he seems to 'make' Connor feel it.
Of course, Ramirez and Kurgan must have been _immensely_ powerful
immortals by virtue of thei age and experience. It could be that they
had learned to control the quickening to some extent - as Ramirez
did with the stag scene.
je...@ntrs.com
>> In movie canon,
>> pre-immortals can sense and be sensed by immortals. (Even in the series,
>> immortals can sense pre-immortals at least sometimes.)
>
> Yeah, but Richie NEVER SENSED ANY IMMORTALS previous to his 'death'
> so the series contradicts itself.
>
> gavan
No, it does not.
Gavan, try reading the above statement again. MOVIE CANON being the key
phrase! Don't compare apples to oranges! The MOVIE and the SERIES are two
different animals. One cannot contradict the other!
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Tim Dedeaux
> > The series did not contradict itself in this respect. Series pre-immies
> > cannot sense immies. They have no way of knowing that they will be
> > immortal--Duncan tells Michelle that. Series immies can sense pre-immies
> > at least under some conditions, but not the other way around. Movie
> > immies and pre-immies can sense each other. This is one of the
> > differences between the movie and series universes.
> Hold on a moment, how come Duncan was able to sense a pre-immortal
> Richie but not any of the other immortals who came across Richie? He
> _did_ meet a few evil dudes but they never seem to have made any
> moves to take his head so I'm assuming they didn't sense him. Thats
> pretty inconsistent.
IMHO, the ability to sense pre-immortals depends on 2 things: the power
(Quickening wise) of the immortal doing the sensing, and how much the
immortal "practices" with the sensing (ie how much emphasis they put on
the sensing part of their immortality) . . . so I think that some of the
evil immortals didn't sense him because they hadn't practiced sensing
(much like a bow-hunter would train himself to move quietly and listen
carefully, an immortal could train himself to pay more attention to
the buzz, thus becoming better at sensing pre-immortals - not actually
making the sense more acute, but learning to use it fully).
Also, I'd say that some of the evil immortals sensed him, but had more
important things to do than bother with an unblooded primmie, especially
one protected by an immortal as formidable as Duncan Macleod.
> And in the movie, we only saw the one scene where a pre-immie met
> a real immie and that _could_ have been caused by the Kurgan _making_
> Connor aware of his presence. Don't forget the scene where Ramirez
> first meets Connor, Connor doesn't get the 'buzz' immediately, he was
> talking to Ramirez for a bit and then when Ramirez mentions the buzz
> he seems to 'make' Connor feel it.
Remember what Connor was doing at the time? I don't think he was paying
attention to "the immortal buzz" then.
> Of course, Ramirez and Kurgan must have been _immensely_ powerful
> immortals by virtue of thei age and experience. It could be that they
> had learned to control the quickening to some extent - as Ramirez
> did with the stag scene.
Actually, though, Connor learned the basics of controlling the Quickening
(the stag scene) rather quickly. From what I've seen in Highlander, and
from what I've heard of Highlander III, I think we'll see that The
Quickening is a much more poweful thing in the movie than in the series.
> gavan
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dr...@inferno.com
IR>mo...@bires069.bnr.co.uk (G MORAN) writes:
IR>> Yeah, but Richie NEVER SENSED ANY IMMORTALS previous to his 'death'
IR>>so the series contradicts itself.
IR>Hmm. I cannot recall any time that a potential immortal sensed immortals pri
IR>to his/her first death. Perhaps you can elucidate on this alleged
IR>contradiction?
IR>--
IR>I used to drive a Heisenberg Uncertainty car, but I could never read the
IR>speedometer without getting lost.
IR>ricercar
IR>@netcom.com, @aol.com, @nimbus.com, @eworld.com
IR>That's "Mark Gadzikowski" to you, Human.
I believe he is referring to the first movie, when Connor sensed
Kurgan before he died in that big clan battle.
Claire Maier
: IR>mo...@bires069.bnr.co.uk (G MORAN) writes:
: IR>> Yeah, but Richie NEVER SENSED ANY IMMORTALS previous to his 'death'
: IR>>so the series contradicts itself.
: IR>Hmm. I cannot recall any time that a potential immortal sensed immortals pri
: IR>to his/her first death. Perhaps you can elucidate on this alleged
: IR>contradiction?
: I believe he is referring to the first movie, when Connor sensed
: Kurgan before he died in that big clan battle.
For the umpteenth time, Connor sensing the Kurgan happened in the
movie. Pre-immortals cannot sense immortals in the *series*. The two
are in different universes.
dr...@inferno.com
IB>dr...@inferno.com wrote:
IB>: IR>mo...@bires069.bnr.co.uk (G MORAN) writes:
IB>: IR>> Yeah, but Richie NEVER SENSED ANY IMMORTALS previous to his 'death'
IB>: IR>>so the series contradicts itself.
IB>: IR>Hmm. I cannot recall any time that a potential immortal sensed immortal
IB>pri
IB>: IR>to his/her first death. Perhaps you can elucidate on this alleged
IB>: IR>contradiction?
IB>: I believe he is referring to the first movie, when Connor sensed
IB>: Kurgan before he died in that big clan battle.
IB>For the umpteenth time, Connor sensing the Kurgan happened in the
IB>movie. Pre-immortals cannot sense immortals in the *series*. The two
IB>are in different universes.
Excuse me, I never said the two had anything to do with each other. I
was just giving my idea of what he's referring to.