the real reason RAVEN cancelled.
ACE 1
John Biltz
I could manage.
Tasteful Moose, not tasty
Sixt4TBird wrote in message
<19990222233022...@ngol06.aol.com>...
>
>In article <26549-36...@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
>acu...@webtv.net (ACE 1) writes:
>
>>It was target to women instead of men. If Amanda was a stripper with
>>big Bouncy Breasts, who liked dueling to the death in Tight wet
>>T-shirts(or better yet no shirt at all). Highlander would be a success.
>>
>>Here's hoping that TPTB hire pam anderson to take over the role.
>>
>
>Ummm...did you ever see Liz Gracen as the Raven? Did you miss the thread
about
>"Two Balloons On a Stick"? The woman was a former Miss America, with more
>style and class and humor than Pam Anderson could even conjure up on a good
>day.
>
>Ummm, guys...am I wrong here?
>
>TBird
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Live so that when your children think of fairness, caring,
>and integrity, they think of you.
The Writer
ACE 1 <acu...@webtv.net> wrote
> If Amanda was a stripper with big Bouncy
> Breasts, who liked dueling to the death
> in Tight wet T-shirts(or better yet no shirt
> at all). Highlander would be a success.
> Here's hoping that TPTB hire pam
> anderson to take over the role.
Interesting concept. You should submit the idea to Rysher. Call it
Baylander.
Jerri <an assumed name>
Sixt4TBird
>It was target to women instead of men. If Amanda was a stripper with
>big Bouncy Breasts, who liked dueling to the death in Tight wet
>T-shirts(or better yet no shirt at all). Highlander would be a success.
>
>Here's hoping that TPTB hire pam anderson to take over the role.
>
Ummm...did you ever see Liz Gracen as the Raven? Did you miss the thread about
Sixt4TBird
In article <01be5ee2$205f7820$6f04...@skynet.sky.net>, "The Writer"
<fake...@fake.com> writes:
>Interesting concept. You should submit the idea to Rysher. Call it
>Baylander.
>Jerri <an assumed name>
Let's see....or BabeLander? Booblander?
Cynergy St. Cloud
>
> It was target to women instead of men. If Amanda was a stripper with
> big Bouncy Breasts, who liked dueling to the death in Tight wet
> T-shirts(or better yet no shirt at all). Highlander would be a success.
>
> Here's hoping that TPTB hire pam anderson to take over the role.
>
Yeah, that would be a kicker....
EGI (Evil guest Immortal) : I .. *want* to kill you but I ... Can't ...
take my eyes ... off ... your ....
Cyn
Toirease
>Well, I have always said she looks very attractive, in as tasteful manner as
>I could manage.
>
JMHO, I like EG as Amanda, but I felt a lack of connection with Amanda and
Nick. I however still like the story of Katherine and her Nick...Two of Hearts
from Season 6. I felt the story had legs and the characters were interesting.
Maybe Amanda needs more mystery, as in less is more. With the Raven she became
predictable too soon. Amanda would need one heck of jolt to turn her around.
Something like the story in "The Colonel" where Amanda's lifestyle is so
attractive to a young mortal that it nearly costs the girl her life. This
caused Amanda to leave town.
Well, just my ramblings...
Toirease
Madelyne N
>Baylander.
>Jerri <an assumed name>
>
Isn't Pam doing a show called V.I.P.?
The Fish Girl
"I saw fish"
"Hey it's the Fish Girl!"
Mr. Mom
>>big Bouncy Breasts, who liked dueling to the death in Tight wet
>>T-shirts(or better yet no shirt at all). Highlander would be a success.
>>
>>Here's hoping that TPTB hire pam anderson to take over the role.
>>
>
>"Two Balloons On a Stick"? The woman was a former Miss America, with more
>style and class and humor than Pam Anderson could even conjure up on a good
>day.
>
>Ummm, guys...am I wrong here?
Nope, you're not wrong. But her show VIP is funny. (Even tho it's not
meant to be.)
Michael <Reads Penthouse for the articles>
Proud Bull MacMoose, a team player, as well as a
gets-along-well-with-others kinda guy from
waaaaaaaay back.
Sixt4TBird
In article <19990223053641...@ng33.aol.com>, made...@aol.com
(Madelyne N) writes:
>Isn't Pam doing a show called V.I.P.?
Ya Know...I just wasn't going to mention that one. I saw all of about 6
minutes of it (like watching a train wreck) and the experience has been
(sub)conciously blocked forever.
<Way too much hair to be kicking butt like that>
Biltz News
and Baywatch. What a strange world we live in.
Puzzled Moose
Mr. Mom wrote in message <37009235....@news.atl.bellsouth.net>...
Haneto
>(Madelyne N) writes:
>
>>Isn't Pam doing a show called V.I.P.?
>
>Ya Know...I just wasn't going to mention that one. I saw all of about 6
>minutes of it (like watching a train wreck) and the experience has been
>(sub)conciously blocked forever.
>
><Way too much hair to be kicking butt like that>
>
>TBird
And that show supposedly has good ratings. Just goes to show you. Put a bimbo
with big ARTIFICIAL breasts on a show and people will watch it no matter how
bad the show is. I also watched about 6 minutes of it - thought it was
supposed to be a comedy.
Emmie<wasn't the biggest Raven fan, but still mad about the cancellation>
Spanking Monkey
E. Gracen doesn't give a powerful presence in the show and the writing makes
her sound like a jibbering jabbering woman. Sometimes the witty banter just
doesn't cut it for me and I lose interest in the story.
They should have geared it to guys instead of chicks. I mean E. Gracen
kickin' ass Adrian Paul style would be kewl then E. Gracen getting laid
would keep me hangin around. So far the fight scenes with her look too
edited and camera-angled if you catch my drift and she hasn't showed much
skin from the episodes I've seen. T&A Kickin' A please and a little less
pinache but above all, better writing and less witty banter.
As for taste, the way the show is produced reminds me of that stupid USA
show that came after highalander with fernando lamas's son in it. It was
geared for guys but it was expensive to make and had really bad writing to
boot.
John Biltz wrote in message <7atds2$ag4$1...@news.cyberhighway.net>...
>Well, I have always said she looks very attractive, in as tasteful manner
as
>I could manage.
>
>Tasteful Moose, not tasty
>
>Sixt4TBird wrote in message
><19990222233022...@ngol06.aol.com>...
>>
>>In article <26549-36...@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
>>acu...@webtv.net (ACE 1) writes:
>>
>>>It was target to women instead of men. If Amanda was a stripper with
>>>big Bouncy Breasts, who liked dueling to the death in Tight wet
>>>T-shirts(or better yet no shirt at all). Highlander would be a success.
>>>
>>>Here's hoping that TPTB hire pam anderson to take over the role.
>>>
>>
>>Ummm...did you ever see Liz Gracen as the Raven? Did you miss the thread
>about
>>"Two Balloons On a Stick"? The woman was a former Miss America, with more
>>style and class and humor than Pam Anderson could even conjure up on a
good
>>day.
>>
>>Ummm, guys...am I wrong here?
>>
The Boss Wolfette
following bright ideas:
>>Interesting concept. You should submit the idea to Rysher. Call it
>>Baylander.
>>Jerri <an assumed name>
>>
>
>Isn't Pam doing a show called V.I.P.?
Which does not take itself seriously and is surprisingly (to me)
enjoyable. Strikes me watching it that Ms Anderson might not be as
dim as I had previously thought. (takes brains to truly play a bimbo
<g>)
Jette Goldie
Joe's my jo!!
boss...@ednet.co.uk
boss...@scotlandmail.com
********************************
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html
The Black Veil Club - we're not in Denial, we're in mourning
Wheels
Sixt4TBird
In article <7aujik$16d$1...@roper.uwyo.edu>, "Biltz News" <bilt...@uwyo.edu>
writes:
>I saw her on some show recently and I guess her show beat Hercules, Xena,
>and Baywatch. What a strange world we live in.
>
>Puzzled Moose
In what alternate reality? Even this world ain't THAT strange!
<wondering if lots of people like to watch train wrecks>
Sixt4TBird
In article <36d33...@206.100.206.63>, "Spanking Monkey"
<Spankin...@The18thHole.com> writes:
>As for taste, the way the show is produced reminds me of that stupid USA
>show that came after highalander with fernando lamas's son in it. It was
>geared for guys but it was expensive to make and had really bad writing to
>boot.
Oh god - Renegade. What a piece of trash that is. Not to mention they
sabotaged their own premise for everything somewhere around the 2nd season.
No amount of long hair would make Lorenzo Lamas attractive, IMHO. What a
greasy slimey arrogant pompous (yeah, I'm redundant, but it can't be said
enough) jack@$$.
<oops, there I go, repressing my feelings again>
As for EG doing more sex scenes...well, DUH. I think that would bring the
Amanda/Nick thing into the foreground, where it needs to be, instead of this
ambigous storyline they've got going. For example, when Amanda and Nick are
fighting about....
HERE COMES A SPOILER FOR THE ROGUE
.
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.
the fact that Nick is NOT supposed to interfere with her fights, even if the
other guys "cheats" - wouldn't that scene have been much more interesting in or
near the bed... Big fight, big make up? Or a big, "We got that kimmie, didn't
we?" roll-in-the-hay followed by the fight about Nick not shooting all the
kimmies that he thinks are cheating.
I wish we had all spent less time on the Raven Sucks threads, and focused on
what we would have liked to see. If TPTB really do lurk the forums, maybe a
more positive attitude on our parts would have landed a happy resolution for
everyone involved. I don't think anyone would have minded having the
collective ATH brain picked for ways to improve things, with or without our
knowledge. After all, all we would be doing is planting the seeds, it's up to
TPTB to decide which ones get water, which ones need to be replanted, which
ones need to be saved for later. <stupid analogy mode off>
<learned my lesson about negativity. i'll be a good girl now. will you bring
HL:TR back if we all play nice????>
GinjerB
know? So blaming EG is hardly called for.
I've heard that Gaumont, who control most of the rights, might be selling it in
Europe, even if there is no domestic distributor on board at the moment.
And there is always Canada...
GinjerB
GinjerB
>Which does not take itself seriously and is surprisingly (to me)
>enjoyable. Strikes me watching it that Ms Anderson might not be as
>dim as I had previously thought. (takes brains to truly play a bimbo
><g>)
<<I second that--I can't say that I've made it "appointmment TV" but the three
or four that I've seen have been surprisingly fun--and PA has indeed had the
sense to not take her self too seriously.
If you think about it, VIP really is a riff on Remington Steele--and one of the
first rules of writing is if you're going to "borrow", borrow from the best.<g>
(For those who don't know, Pam Anderson's character, a bimbo actress,
accidentally saves someone and is glorified as a hero by the press. A
struggling protection agency hires her to front for them, figuring that she'll
pull in the clients.)
GinjerB
Jwwmo4
>> T-shirts(or better yet no shirt at all). Highlander would be a success.
>>
>> Here's hoping that TPTB hire pam anderson to take over the
>>>the only "up" side to dear Pam as a potential immortal would be that her
implants would never need replacing, because they would , of course, (for
better or worse) also be "immortal"......joele<<<just a thought, because she
really had few, if any, thoughts about Raven anyway>>>>
albert
>I wish we had all spent less time on the Raven Sucks threads, and focused on
>what we would have liked to see. If TPTB really do lurk the forums, maybe a
>more positive attitude on our parts would have landed a happy resolution for
>everyone involved. I don't think anyone would have minded having the
>collective ATH brain picked for ways to improve things, with or without our
>knowledge. After all, all we would be doing is planting the seeds, it's up to
>TPTB to decide which ones get water, which ones need to be replanted, which
>ones need to be saved for later. <stupid analogy mode off>
>
><learned my lesson about negativity. i'll be a good girl now. will you bring
>HL:TR back if we all play nice????>
>TBird
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Live so that when your children think of fairness, caring,
>and integrity, they think of you.
I seriously doubt that made a difference. We maybe able to make a
difference as a forum like this one can give them inside in what fans
and potential audience think. But we don't amount to a group large
enough to be reckoned with.
Complaining about the quality (especially with good arguments) can
have influance though and complaining might have been the best and
only thing. We sometimes forget that they to want to make it a succes
and will cut trough the "it sucks" crap and see why it wasn't well
liked.
If we would all have been saying "it's such a nice show" they would
have thought, well fine for them but we stilldon't get good enough
ratings.
That all is however, if they actualy read this forum.
Albert
Sixt4TBird
In article <19990223172458...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, gin...@aol.com
(GinjerB) writes:
>I've heard that Gaumont, who control most of the rights, might be selling it
>in
>Europe, even if there is no domestic distributor on board at the moment.
>
Ooo oooo .... I'd settle for the possibility of US reruns down the line....
<and Ginjer, when I finish White Silence I will be sending it your way for a
sig! Thanks!>
Sixt4TBird
In article <19990223173842...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, gin...@aol.com
(GinjerB) writes:
>(For those who don't know, Pam Anderson's character, a bimbo actress,
>accidentally saves someone and is glorified as a hero by the press. A
>struggling protection agency hires her to front for them, figuring that
>she'll
>pull in the clients.)
>
Hmmmm....I must have seen her in one of the scenes where she is acting
"acting"....
<it was really really bad>
Lorna Hanrahan
Sixt4TBird wrote
>Ooo oooo .... I'd settle for the possibility of US reruns down the line....
WHo wants to wait for the US reruns. If this happens I have connections in
Canada and friends who have more connections in Canada. That explains how I
have Cold Squad tapes.
>
><and Ginjer, when I finish White Silence I will be sending it your way for
a
>sig! Thanks!>
>TBird
Have to agree with TBird about White Silence. I have finished it and it is
IMHO the best of the Highlander novels so far. Some of the others were good
but just lacked some of the chemistry that shows up in this one. And this
has nothing to do with my decided fondness for Fitz.
Lorna
Lorna Hanrahan
Sixt4TBird wrote
>
>Me too me too TBird wants Cold Squad tapes..... Will sell off parts of my
soul
>for Cold Squad tapes...
>TBird
TBird,
E mail me I think we can work out a deal that does not entail parts of your
soul but rather something I can hang up on my wall. Something along the
lines of an autographed picture of someone who will be at chronicles and NOT
PW either.
Lorna
Sixt4TBird
In article <19990223182910...@ng141.aol.com>, jww...@aol.com
(Jwwmo4) writes:
>the only "up" side to dear Pam as a potential immortal would be that her
>implants would never need replacing, because they would , of course, (for
>better or worse) also be "immortal".....
Although, wouldn't the "zipper/bullet" theory hold here? Her immie body would
zip the silicon right out.
Well unless she got them before her first death.
I am spending WAY too much time thinking about this.
Sixt4TBird
In article <7avke3$jh0$1...@news.fsr.net>, "Lorna Hanrahan" <lmhn...@colfax.com>
writes:
>WHo wants to wait for the US reruns. If this happens I have connections in
>Canada and friends who have more connections in Canada. That explains how I
>have Cold Squad tapes.
Me too me too TBird wants Cold Squad tapes..... Will sell off parts of my soul
for Cold Squad tapes...
DavidG8089
IMHO... she's ok, in a petite sort of way. Lucy Lawless she is NOT. The
problem that I had was that there were several shows where she seemed to want
to do almost ANYTHING but fight some kimmie. That made her a rather
interesting character,... but weak. Her boyfriend, the cop was (I suppose) to
make up for it by being there and being tough, BUT he isn't the one taking
people's heads off with a sword!
They also needed more work on the choreography. There was some improvement in
the last two eps but the first couple ... didn't do it for me.
DavidG8089
>more positive attitude on our parts would have landed a happy resolution for
>everyone involved.
Probably true, but it takes a lot more effort to think positively about a show
that has serious lacks, rather than say "Wow didn't that just suck?"
Hmmmm... My wife used to really like Renegade, now she's into "La Femme
Nikita".
Shomeret
You can't cancel a syndicated show. What happened is that Rysher prejudged
Raven without having even seen it and withdrew its support from the
series.Raven has no US distributor.. This means that there will be no second
season in the US because Rysher replaced Raven with some other show, and sold
it for the timeslots that Raven would have had. Rysher betrayed us This has
nothing to do with anything that was done on the series or with anything we
might have said about it .It has nothing to do with Raven's ratings either. I
have read that most of Raven's US stations would have purchased a second season
because its ratings were sufficient in those time slots, but they can't buy a
series if no distributor is offering it. If Gaumont picks up Raven and runs
with the ball, well and good. I'll be happy that Amanda will continue to have
adventures even if I don't get to see them. (Boo hoo!)
Shomeret
(Who would like to behead the Rysher execs even though she's a Watcher who
isn't supposed to interfere.)
RebeccaMW
>have read that most of Raven's US stations would have purchased a second
>season
>because its ratings were sufficient in those time slots, but they can't buy a
>series if no distributor is offering it. If Gaumont picks up Raven and runs
>with the ball, well and good. I'll be happy that Amanda will continue to
>have
>adventures even if I don't get to see them. (Boo hoo!)
>
> Shomeret
>(Who would like to behead the Rysher execs even though she's a Watcher who
>isn't supposed to interfere.)
>
Yes, well, we all know about Watchers and their oath. So I say, let us gather
up the swords from the library/museum at Watcher headquarters and go after the
aforementioned Rysher execs.
Rebecca (needs the HL universe like some people need air)
Gwynmarlyn
here an e-mail address that sent me a Raven poster from Rysner.
asked for posters....@RysherInc.com
I have one and I am proud of mine.
GinjerB
>Yes, well, we all know about Watchers and their oath. So I say, let us
>gather
>up the swords from the library/museum at Watcher headquarters and go after
>the
>aforementioned Rysher execs.
<< I don't work in tv like Velia, so I'm just guessing here, but my guess is
that writing to, petitioning, imploring, etc. Rysher won't do any good.
They made a buisness decision. It may well have been a bad business decision,
and it's certainly an unhappy-making one, but it's not likely there was malice
involved.
GinjerB
>
>
hockypete
and The Raven.
Sixt4TBird wrote in message
<19990222233022...@ngol06.aol.com>...
>
>In article <26549-36...@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
>acu...@webtv.net (ACE 1) writes:
>
>>It was target to women instead of men. If Amanda was a stripper with
>>big Bouncy Breasts, who liked dueling to the death in Tight wet
>>T-shirts(or better yet no shirt at all). Highlander would be a success.
>>
>>Here's hoping that TPTB hire pam anderson to take over the role.
>>
>
>Ummm...did you ever see Liz Gracen as the Raven? Did you miss the thread
about
>"Two Balloons On a Stick"? The woman was a former Miss America, with more
>style and class and humor than Pam Anderson could even conjure up on a good
>day.
>
>Ummm, guys...am I wrong here?
>
hockypete
sword fighting scenes enough. (Looks like the stunt double with the white
wig weighs about 20-30 lbs. more than EG)
Spanking Monkey wrote in message <36d33...@206.100.206.63>...
>Classy chicks exposing themselves would keep me watching the show.
>E. Gracen doesn't give a powerful presence in the show and the writing
makes
>her sound like a jibbering jabbering woman. Sometimes the witty banter
just
>doesn't cut it for me and I lose interest in the story.
>
>They should have geared it to guys instead of chicks. I mean E. Gracen
>kickin' ass Adrian Paul style would be kewl then E. Gracen getting laid
>would keep me hangin around. So far the fight scenes with her look too
>edited and camera-angled if you catch my drift and she hasn't showed much
>skin from the episodes I've seen. T&A Kickin' A please and a little less
>pinache but above all, better writing and less witty banter.
>
>As for taste, the way the show is produced reminds me of that stupid USA
>show that came after highalander with fernando lamas's son in it. It was
>geared for guys but it was expensive to make and had really bad writing to
>boot.
>
>John Biltz wrote in message <7atds2$ag4$1...@news.cyberhighway.net>...
>>Well, I have always said she looks very attractive, in as tasteful manner
>as
>>I could manage.
>>
>>Tasteful Moose, not tasty
>>
Lisa Gorman
female audience? I don't think so. If anything it was targeted at a male
audience. As a female I would much rather see a hunky guy in the lead role
than a woman any day of the week.
The reason the show was cancled,IMVHO, is that it stunk! Elizabeth Gracesen
is not a strong enough actress to carry a lead role for one. That hair cut
has got to go!!! for two. The character of "Amanda" was never anything more
than an interesting sidekick for "Duncan" and if the relationship had been
pursued it would have been pretty good..."Amanda" had a way of losening
"Duncan" up a bit. She was not a strong enough character to carry her own
show. If they were going to give the part to anyone it should have been the
guy who portrayed "Methos", his character was strong, he's a good actor and
there was a lot of material there to work with.
The "Amanda" character was not the typical lead "Highlander" character one
expects when one sees the name and logo "Highlander" attached to something.
She is nothing like "Connor" or "Duncan" and so, for fans of the show, she
ended up being a big disappointment. People have come to expect certain
things from something that has "Highlander" attached to it...for one we
expect to see a male in the lead role, we expect that he will be Scottish
(though neither Lambert nor Paul are), we expect he will be fairly noble
("Amanda" certainly does not qualify in that category), we expect that he
will be strong (again she didn't qualify...the only female I can think of
who might have qualified would have been "Cassandra" but I guess she was to
busy with Babylong 5). We expect that he will be good looking..."Amanda"
could have qualified if she would have dumped the Susan Powter/Joan Jett
look. In short, we expect a lot more than we got with "Raven". I'm glad
the show is gone, it was an embarassment to "Highlander" fans everywhere.
Beth
"I have the heart of a ten year-old boy...in a jar on my desk." Stephen
King
James Bishop
Lisa Gorman wrote in message <7b67p9$9...@news1.snet.net>...
I think the reason they might have thought that Raven was targeted to a
female audience was that Highlander: the series had a large female fan base
(I mean come on, look at Adrian Paul and figure it out). That fan base is
what helped make HLTS successful. So when they went to make another series
they thought that having a female protagonist would be appreciated by the
female fans. It didn't seem to work as well. I turned my girlfriend on to
Highlander, which she loved mainly because she thought Adrian Paul was so
hot. We were very disappointed when the first series ended, but looked
forward to the Raven with hopeful anticipation. I am forcing myself to
continue watching it, but she only lasted two episodes. Now she refuses to
watch it with me. And I think Gracen's a beautiful woman, but the look they
gave her character is unattractive (i.e. the bleach-blonde hair). Add to
that she doesn't have the natural athletic skill of Adrian Paul and I'm left
with a bad viewing experience.
SpankingMonkey
I must add however, that if the producers were targeting a male audience;
they didn't do a good job. For a male audience, sex sells and you know,
Amanda wasn't getting laid as much as Duncan. I mean, the very first scene
of the very first episode of the TV series has Duncan getting it on with
Tessa. Did they do the same in Raven? I think not. Instead, they have
this dork cop who doesn't even get to touch E. Gracen.
SpankingMonkey
James Bishop
Helga Abendroth wrote in message <36d84828...@news.easynews.net>...
>On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:32:23 -0500, "Lisa Gorman" <lgor...@snet.net>
>wrote:
>*snipalot*
>> People have come to expect certain
>>things from something that has "Highlander" attached to it...for one we
>>expect to see a male in the lead role,
>
>role. At least I do. *I* could have surely done with a show about
>Methos, of course, and I would have surely *loved* it, although I
>doubt the whole bulk of the fans would have been satisfied with that
>and not cried out that there would be too less sword fights (the ROG
>tends to avoid them), that the show would be morally ambivalent, the
>guy was not morally clear enough on the good-guy-side (his
>spaciality...) and so on. As it was, I was very happy with Amanda,
>because she was a well established character, had enough other
>preferences and priorities as Duncan MacLeod to make this new show
>different enough to keep my interest going and she made an interesting
>lead role. I'm very sorry about the Raven being not renewed, because I
>looked really forward to the way the show would develop and hoped it
>would de the same as Highlander: TS did and get better with every
>single season. it surely started to go this way.
>
>> we expect that he will be Scottish
>>(though neither Lambert nor Paul are), we expect he will be fairly noble
>>("Amanda" certainly does not qualify in that category),
>
>expect it comes over as a sole rehash of HL:TS. I think we had enough
>of rehashes of the concept in Highlander, if you ask me. For example
>the so-called third movie was a plain and simple rehash of the first,
>and therefore quite uninteresting. I would have done and liked
>another HL:TS season, if AP would have been willing to do it (what he
>was not) but since the first series ended, I wanted to see a new
>approach at the theme. And I did, and refreshingly so. Why do you want
>to stick with the established concept of "male scottish
>morally-correct hero" that hard? The first show was about Duncan, and
>we knew Connor from the movie, now we had the chance to learn
>something about other Immortals and their go at the Game. That was the
>most interesting part of Highlander:TS and TR at all for *me*.
>
>> we expect that he
>>will be strong (again she didn't qualify...the only female I can think of
>>who might have qualified would have been "Cassandra" but I guess she was
to
>>busy with Babylong 5).
>
>*male rescuing hero* to conquer the bad guy for her was strong?! Well,
>at least not in the three eps of the series she was in. There was
>material for a strong character, I agree, but it was not developed
>enough. (And besides, it would probably have turned into a
>"Witch-Show"). Rather I would have said Rebecca (but she was dead) or
>Ceirdwynn (but we saw pitifully less of her) or, if it had to be a
>woman out of the SSS (sorry sixth season), maybe Alex Raven (who was
>interesting), that women of the "Justice" ep (who was not as
>interesting, but still) or Claudia Christian (who would have been
>really good in the role, all right - but then, I think the Alex Raven
>character had more potential and tragic to be exploited than hers).
>
>But Amanda was an established character, and about the "not-strong"
>part... well, she was intelligent, flippant, and had a very different
>way to deal with things than Duncan or Connor. So, define "strong".
>
>> We expect that he will be good looking..."Amanda"
>>could have qualified if she would have dumped the Susan Powter/Joan Jett
>>look. In short, we expect a lot more than we got with "Raven". I'm glad
>>the show is gone, it was an embarassment to "Highlander" fans everywhere.
>>
>>Beth
>>"I have the heart of a ten year-old boy...in a jar on my desk." Stephen
>>King
>
>were a lot of people who liked this show. There are even more people
>who liked Amanda as a character. And I think there are a *huge amount*
>of people who would like to see more about Immortals in a tv series at
>all. with Raven gone, it's very questionable if there ever will *be*
>another series. Perhaps the new movie will revive the myth... *if* it
>is good. But thinking of the nightmare and the poor so called "third"
>part's first-movie-recycling, I will believe that only when i see it.
>Of course, there is always hope...
>
>Helga <dreaming of Methos being in the movie, and Joe, and Amanda, and
>perhaps Amy, and...><sigh>
>--
>MBB, Methosscrolls, Methosian at heart
That was one of the things I appreciated about the Raven. The producers
didn't suddenly make her Duncan's fighting equal just because she was the
star now. Her character was still the one that tried to avoid fighting if
she could. Though that may just have been because she couldn't do it very
convincingly.
Matthew V. Jessick
Spanking Monkey wrote:
> As for taste, the way the show is produced reminds me of that stupid USA
> show that came after highalander with fernando lamas's son in it. It was
> geared for guys but it was expensive to make and had really bad writing to
> boot.
I happened upon the first of a two parter of "that stupid USA
show that came after highlander" ;) with E. Gracen as a guest star.
I remember enjoying it. Wish I'd seen the second part. ;(
Helga Abendroth
*snip*
> Shomeret
>(Who would like to behead the Rysher execs even though she's a Watcher who
>isn't supposed to interfere.)
Hmmm, well, since they aren't Immortal (hopefully) it probably
wouldn't caunt as interference...
-- wanna help?
Helga <who would be delighted if Gaumont would "pick up the ball", but
has to see it first, to believe it>
Helga Abendroth
Shomeret
Entertainment seems more immortal than Raven.
Shomeret
Jwwmo4
>Entertainment seems more immortal than Raven.
>>>you know, I just read the explanation for the cancellation on the HL message
board, and although I was certainly no fan of Raven, it serves as a reminder of
how decisions are made $$$$$$ and how expendible other considerations
are.....joele<<still doesn't like it>>
Trillseekr
writes:
>The "Amanda" character was not the typical lead "Highlander" character one
>expects when one sees the name and logo "Highlander" attached to something.
>She is nothing like "Connor" or "Duncan" and so, for fans of the show, she
>ended up being a big disappointment.
Amanda's never been anything like Connor or Duncan...why would getting her own
series change that? If watchers of the new show were expecting it to be just
like original HL:TS, I'd have to ask, why? I wanted to see Immortality from
Amanda's perspective, and learn more about Amanda, her life, her history, etc.
I still do. I'm interested in strong female characters and the men who love
them. <G> Which is why I probably enjoy watching Duncan the most in episodes
where he is with either Tessa or Amanda.
"Lisa Gorman" <lgor...@snet.net> writes:
>People have come to expect certain things from something that has
> "Highlander" attached to it...for one weexpect to see a male in the lead
role,
> we expect that he will be Scottish (though neither Lambert nor Paul are),
> we expect he will be fairly noble ("Amanda" certainly does not qualify in
that >category),
Again, knowing that the new show was going to star *Amanda*, why not put
expectations aside and try to watch the show with fresh eyes, enjoy it on its
own merits?
Trilly
"Please, don't say anything in front of the lady. Let me just go into the next
room and crochet while you have cigars and brandy and talk about beheadings." -
Tessa Noël, "The Gathering"
William Armstrong
>
> *I* could have surely done with a show about
> Methos, of course, and I would have surely *loved* it, although I
> doubt the whole bulk of the fans would have been satisfied with that
> and not cried out that there would be too less sword fights (the ROG
> tends to avoid them), that the show would be morally ambivalent, the
> guy was not morally clear enough on the good-guy-side (his
> spaciality...) and so on.
You know, I would have loved a Methos show. But I'm not sure if they
could have pulled it off. He has the longest history to draw from in
terms of flashbacks, but they might have been too expensive to film.
Still, I would have liked at least for them to have tried. Btw, I would
find Methos morality refreshing after Duncan. Duncan was a great
charcater, but his personality is the standard hero well schooled in
chivalry, and it would have been nice to see more of Methos' more
relaxed moral values. Not that he's less for them, of course. He's
more or less outgrown Duncan's chivalric sense of honour, though I don't
mean to downgrade the Duncan character either. Also, I don't mind that
Methos avoids fights. When the first HL series began, I didn't like it
much, as every episode (up the first Darius episode, which is where I
truly became a fan of the show (I'd been a fan of the movies before
that, but didn't get into the show until Darius' appearance)) seemed to
end with Duncan simply beheading his enemy. That's a part of their
existence of course, but every episode need not end that way; and of
course it changed. What I'm trying to say is that less sword fights
wouldn't mean it wouldn't be Highlander. The battles are part of why I
like it, but it's also about the history and the interaction of the
characters. It's always got to be about the characters first. Methos
wouldn't fail us that way. And, as he said, just because he doesn't
like to fight doesn't mean that he can't. We might not see as many
swordfights in a show about him, but the ones we did would seem much
more important and less routine for that reason.
> I looked really forward to the way the show would develop and hoped it
> would de the same as Highlander: TS did and get better with every
> single season. it surely started to go this way.
For me, it turned around with the Korda episodes, and then with
Inferno. The Korda episodes were really not that great, but were a
significant improvement. Inferno I loved. There were still a few minor
bits that didn't work, but overall I had the same feeling watching it as
I had with HL:TS.
For example
> the so-called third movie was a plain and simple rehash of the first,
> and therefore quite uninteresting.
Have to agree with you there. The third movie, in many ways, sucked
more than the second, because at least with the second they were trying
to create something new and different from the original. Of course we
know how that turned out, but at least they tried.
Why do you want
> to stick with the established concept of "male scottish
> morally-correct hero" that hard?
The thing is that it's called "Highlander". It would be easier to do
spinoffs if it had a different title, then the Scottish connection could
be freely done away with. Otherwise, the title itself suggests that it
must have something to do with the concept of the male Scottish
morally-correct hero.
> Arrgh! *Cassandra* was strong? Cassandra who waited centuries for her
> *male rescuing hero* to conquer the bad guy for her was strong?! Well,
> at least not in the three eps of the series she was in.
I thoroughly disliked the Cassandra character. Tracy Scoggins could not
act. That's the main thing. A better actress could probably have made
the character come across as a stronger person. But as it was, she
seemed very weak.
Rather I would have said Rebecca (but she was dead)
I would have loved that.
Alex Raven (who was
> interesting),
That could have worked.
Claudia Christian
I didn't really care for that character.
> But Amanda was an established character, and about the "not-strong"
> part... well, she was intelligent, flippant, and had a very different
> way to deal with things than Duncan or Connor. So, define "strong".
It seems to me that a person who had lived so long would have had a more
serious outlook. That doesn't mean boring, that they don't know how to
have fun, but the Amanda character...well, she just didn't the kind of
gravitas needed in an Immortal. Take Methos. He's cynical and
flippant, intelligent, he's definitely not like MacLeod in his moral
standpoint, but he does a certain dignity and even nobility that Amanda
lacks. IMHO.
with Raven gone, it's very questionable if there ever will *be*
> another series.
I agree. It's unfortunate, because the concept is sound, and there are
numerous ways it could be developed.
Perhaps the new movie will revive the myth... *if* it
> is good. But thinking of the nightmare and the poor so called "third"
> part's first-movie-recycling, I will believe that only when i see it.
> Of course, there is always hope...
I wonder if they even know how to make a good movie. The first one I
liked, but I think they cut a little too much out of the original
script. (Now, the original was in many ways almost a different concept;
I am not saying it was perfect and that it should have been changed. It
needed work, and the revisions were in the right direction. I just
would have preferred more of original script's explanations of
Immortals.) The same with the third movie. Reading the original script
of it, it seems they massacred what could have been a fairly decent
picture. Of course, it still needed a lot of work to make it a _good_
film, but still. I put it down to the producers. They really don't
seem to be able to make good films.
>
Mattheq
<william....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Also, I don't mind that
> Methos avoids fights. When the first HL series began, I didn't like it
> much, as every episode (up the first Darius episode, which is where I
> truly became a fan of the show (I'd been a fan of the movies before
> that, but didn't get into the show until Darius' appearance)) seemed to
> end with Duncan simply beheading his enemy. That's a part of their
> existence of course, but every episode need not end that way; and of
> course it changed. What I'm trying to say is that less sword fights
> wouldn't mean it wouldn't be Highlander. The battles are part of why I
> like it, but it's also about the history and the interaction of the
> characters. It's always got to be about the characters first.
<delurking>
True, but while there were many good episodes of highlander which basically
involved no other immortals nor him dying these were only possible because
they had built up a large fan base. People watched it, initially, to see
peoples' heads' rolling (and because of AP in some cases). They were
prepared to sit through episodes with characterisation and morality and
such, because they could trust the sow by this point. Where the Raven went
wrong, and where a show involving Methos could go wrong, is assuming that
they could immediatly build upon this trust in their show. True, most
people are prepared to give a spin-off some time to develope, often because
they are desparate for something to fill the gap left by the old series. A
show has to stand on it's own two feet before certain episodes become
possible. That said, one or two more appearances from familiar characters
would help, now that we are quite deep into the series. I think that Joe's
appearance came just the right point and I sincerely hope the will build
upon this. I fully understand that they probably won't bring in Duncan
until much later, maybe an end of season cliffhanger, as he would probably
dominate the show, however, a few well placed Methos eps would do a treat.
Ahem. I wandered a bit off the point there, but never mind.
Mattheq
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Jarie
> Take Methos. He's cynical and
> flippant, intelligent, he's definitely not like MacLeod in his moral
> standpoint, but he does a certain dignity and even nobility that Amanda
> lacks. IMHO.
>
>
Now nobility is the term I've been hunting for. I agree, it is what I
find lacking in Amanda. Even Richie had a certain nobility, in the
intensity of his loyalty to his teacher. Amanda was beginning to show a
hint of it in the final season. But she is too flippant, and even though
I can stretch and say that is only the superficial part of Amanda, and
that she is much more inside, we should get hints of that either through
the script, or through her acting. I'm not sure which is at fault.
However, I do want the show to continue.
Jarie
The Boss Wolfette
the following bright ideas:
>Now nobility is the term I've been hunting for. I agree, it is what I
>find lacking in Amanda. Even Richie had a certain nobility, in the
>intensity of his loyalty to his teacher. Amanda was beginning to show a
>hint of it in the final season. But she is too flippant, and even though
>I can stretch and say that is only the superficial part of Amanda, and
>that she is much more inside, we should get hints of that either through
>the script, or through her acting. I'm not sure which is at fault.
>
Huh? I've seen plenty of evidence that the flippant remarks are a
*cover* to protect her inner self. Note how her remarks get more
flippant the more difficult the situation she is placed in. Note also
how she will sometimes break out of *flippant mode* and answer Nick or
Lucy honestly, maturely and almost *motherly*.
Jette Goldie
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this season, and as you see from the title of this thread, that's probably all
there ever will be. Sorry, Mattheq.
Shomeret
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RieS9
The Boss Wolfette wrote in message
>Huh? I've seen plenty of evidence that the flippant remarks are a
>*cover* to protect her inner self. Note how her remarks get more
>flippant the more difficult the situation she is placed in. Note also
>how she will sometimes break out of *flippant mode* and answer Nick or
>Lucy honestly, maturely and almost *motherly*.
I agree with you...Amanda was not as self-confident as she would like
everyone to believe. I wasn't crazy about the beginning eps, (though I
missed the first two) but they were improving as they went along. I think
they had to take the time to develop Amanda's character enough so she could
stand on her own, without DM. The appearance of Joe was a delight. I would
love to see more flashbacks. Someone said the characters, not the beheadings
are important...that is SO true. I loved Methos. Even DM gave some people
the benefit of the doubt and let them live. I tuned in to Highlander because
of the "Good vs. Evil" theme, not because of the beheadings or AP. The
flashbacks kept me glued to the TV when HL came on. I can't get enough.
I would like to see more Raven flashbacks and have Amanda flashback and
learn! That is one thing her character needs to do. She has lived by the
"What's a girl to do?" philosophy too long...I liked the episode when she
realized she caused the death of so many when she realized she stole and
disgarded important papers during the war. I didn't like the "I'll wear all
white and sacrifice myself" scene, but until then it was a turning point in
the series. I wish they could keep the show on. I was really beginning to
enjoy it.
Rie
Jarie
> Huh? I've seen plenty of evidence that the flippant remarks are a
> *cover* to protect her inner self. Note how her remarks get more
> flippant the more difficult the situation she is placed in. Note also
> how she will sometimes break out of *flippant mode* and answer Nick or
> Lucy honestly, maturely and almost *motherly*.
>
>
justify her more, or something. I don't know. I like the show, but she
wouldn't have been my first choice for a spinoff. It's growing, the
newer episodes show better atmosphere (though I have to wait until 3:00
AM to watch it tonight!). But I watch the old Amanda in the series
tapes, and I can't help thinking that she is a very different Amanda than
we were used to seeing. In some respects I like her better, in others, I
miss the old Amanda.
I do think that it helps the show for her to love Nick. It brings out
good things in her character. It's good for her to have someone willing
to be strong for her who is potentially more vulnerable. Kind of puts
her in Duncan's shoes, for a change.
Jarie
James Buster
Trillseekr <trill...@aol.comsnlybs> wrote:
>Again, knowing that the new show was going to star *Amanda*, why not put
>expectations aside and try to watch the show with fresh eyes, enjoy it on its
>own merits?
Because Amanda was the wrong character for the job. Amanda has always
been somebody who survives by running away and living in denial, not
exactly heroic material. A dove, if you will. Hawks, like Claudia's
character (and her boyfriend) in _Two of Hearts_ make better heroic
stories.
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atomsphere of poisonous gases... but aside from that, it's not
much like Earth.
Trillseekr
Buster) writes:
>
>Because Amanda was the wrong character for the job. Amanda has always
>been somebody who survives by running away and living in denial, not
>exactly heroic material.
Look up "anti-hero" in the dictionary...that type of character is just as
interesting, if not more so.
Trilly
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.
The Boss Wolfette
the following bright ideas:
>In article <7bffon$a1...@fido.engr.sgi.com>, bit...@seal.engr.sgi.com (James
>Buster) writes:
>
>>
>>Because Amanda was the wrong character for the job. Amanda has always
>>been somebody who survives by running away and living in denial, not
>>exactly heroic material.
>
>Look up "anti-hero" in the dictionary...that type of character is just as
>interesting, if not more so.
>
If you look up 'anti-hero' you get a picture of Ker Avon from B7.
Didn't want to fight, was occasionally known to sell his friends out
in exchange for his life - or a large sum of money. Just about the
most popular character in the show, rivalled only by Vila Restal, who
was a thief, a drunk, a womaniser and a self confessed coward.
Blake was the hero and most people laughed at him. Tarrant was a hero
and he's a joke.
Sixt4TBird
<Spankin...@The18thHole.com> writes:
>I must add however, that if the producers were targeting a male audience;
>they didn't do a good job. For a male audience, sex sells and you know,
>Amanda wasn't getting laid as much as Duncan.
Well, according to someone who shall remain unnamed because he felt bad about
gossiping to much and I would NEVER dream of getting him in trouble....
Some of the major PTB wanted Raven to be along the lines of Moonlighting, with
the Amanda/Nick thing drawn out over 5 years. (You should have heard the
collective "ugh" from the audience at Chron 99 when he said that!) So the sex
was not going to happen for a long time. And I have to agree, that's what the
show needed. I mean, com'n - Amanda celibate and yearning for 5 years?????
GET REAL!!!!
Sixt4TBird
>Btw, I would
>find Methos morality refreshing after Duncan.
I can just see this - no moral debates, no anguished dilemms, no
chivalry...Methos gets annoyed by someone doing something wrong, and the guy
gets in his face, ROG just whacks him (a la Kristen) and it's over. About 12
minutes of setup, 3 minutes of swordfight/Q and it's over.....
Mike
heard this. Who has any specifics? Thanks.
Mike G
William Armstrong
>
> In article <7bffon$a1...@fido.engr.sgi.com>, bit...@seal.engr.sgi.com (James
> Buster) writes:
>
> >
> >Because Amanda was the wrong character for the job. Amanda has always
> >been somebody who survives by running away and living in denial, not
> >exactly heroic material.
>
> Look up "anti-hero" in the dictionary...that type of character is just as
> interesting, if not more so.
I'm not sure that Amanda really qualifies as an anti-hero. Anti-hero,
after all, means the character has the opposite qualities of a hero, a
sort of unheroic but not necessarily evil character, or else an evil
character who is so cool we don't care that they're evil and not
heroic. Sort of like...well, the evil Duncan, in a way. Anyway, much
as I'm beginning to like Amanda, she's more of a coward than an
anti-hero. Now, don't jump all over me for that (unless you mean
it...), I don't mean it that way exactly, because avoiding fights isn't
really a cowardly thing for an Immortal. Methos does it, and he's one
of my favourites (of course, the Kurgan is also one of one favourites,
and he's exactly the opposite).
Shomeret
it's not possible to cancel a syndicated series. It just stops being made for
lack of funding. In Raven's case Rysher pulled out. They are no longer
distributing Raven in the US. But Gaumont is selling Raven to European
stations. If they get enough funds from this, Raven will continue in Europe.
Shomeret
Helga Abendroth
wrote:
>In article <36D83B...@sympatico.ca>, William Armstrong
><william....@sympatico.ca> writes:
>
>>Btw, I would
>>find Methos morality refreshing after Duncan.
>
>I can just see this - no moral debates, no anguished dilemms, no
>chivalry...Methos gets annoyed by someone doing something wrong, and the guy
>gets in his face, ROG just whacks him (a la Kristen) and it's over. About 12
>minutes of setup, 3 minutes of swordfight/Q and it's over.....
>TBird
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Live so that when your children think of fairness, caring,
>and integrity, they think of you.
Oh, nononono! You got something very wrong there. First, there has to
be a reason why he doesn't just walk away, like from Walker the first
tiime. The Guy has to be insistent in his annoying stupidity, to make
the ROG act at all. Then there would be the question how Methos would
chose to act if the guy was that insistent in being annoying. He would
at fist chose a rather astonishing and inventory number of intelligent
ways to get him out of the way and outmaneuver him without killing
him (frame him to be locked away in prison, lead some other Immie on
his ass, what have you). And third, only when all this fails and the
guy is stupid enough to, for example, threaten Methos close friends,
*then* he would hack him. As he did in Indiscretions to save Joe and
Amy...
Of course, *I* would like this kind of show, but somehow I doubt
everybody looking for a noble hero would, too...
The highlights would be watching the ROG keeping his secret and
annoying his friends (for example, Joe).
Helga <still thinks "Indiscretions" would have masde a great pilot for
a Methos/Joe/Amy series, and would have liked to see this one>
John Paulus
and unattractive...
If she had longer, Raven-like hair, there'd be more success....
--jp--
James Buster (bit...@seal.engr.sgi.com) wrote:
: In article <19990227051409...@ngol06.aol.com>,
: Trillseekr <trill...@aol.comsnlybs> wrote:
: >Again, knowing that the new show was going to star *Amanda*, why not put
: >expectations aside and try to watch the show with fresh eyes, enjoy it on its
: >own merits?
: Because Amanda was the wrong character for the job. Amanda has always
: been somebody who survives by running away and living in denial, not
: exactly heroic material. A dove, if you will. Hawks, like Claudia's
: character (and her boyfriend) in _Two of Hearts_ make better heroic
: stories.
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DrDewm
because it sux! they took a damn fine guy show(the original HL) and
turned it into a chick show so of course they had to pull the plug.
Most people aren't fat chicks eating nutella. Regular people don't like
the crap that the heffers in this NG like. I'm glad they pulled it. I
hope it kills this stupid assed NG as well.
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>
> The real reason that raven was cancelled or not distributed anymore is
> because it sux! they took a damn fine guy show(the original HL) and
> turned it into a chick show so of course they had to pull the plug.
> Most people aren't fat chicks eating nutella. Regular people don't like
> the crap that the heffers in this NG like. I'm glad they pulled it. I
> hope it kills this stupid assed NG as well.
You disgusting, degraded creature.... God, Dewm, did you not get enough
love as a child? Or maybe getting _too_ much lovin' was your problem.
Twisted your feeble mind I think.
MaryAnnBMc
>things from something that has "Highlander" attached to it...for one we
>expect to see a male in the lead role,
Excuse me?!!!!!!! I think we have come to expect a larger than life *hero* in
the role -- whether that person is male or female. If Claudia Christian had
continued in the role introduced in Two of Hearts, then there would have been
no problem at all. An honest to God hero -- of the female variety -- who could
love and fight and be totally larger than life. It would have been as if we
had never lost Duncan.
MaryAnn
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Gary Galasso
have loved Katherine from Two of Hearts in the lead. Amanda in a close
supporting role, kind of like Methos to MacLeod, could have been a lot
of fun, but the show needed a real immortal hero to center around.
Katherine and her Nick would have been great. Just my opinion, anyway.
Mary
Shomeret
needed a hero. Just an interesting and complex character. IMAO Amanda is more
interesting than Katherine, though that could be because Katherine only
appeared in one episode.
Shomeret
Sweet Violet
****I can just see this - no moral debates, no anguished dilemms, no
chivalry...Methos gets annoyed by someone doing something wrong, and the
guy gets in his face, ROG just whacks him (a la Kristen) and it's over.
About 12 minutes of setup, 3 minutes of swordfight/Q and it's over.....
****
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Oh, I just caught up with this thread...
TBird, sweetie, what are you saying? You and I both know that Methos has
never been into ..."quickies"!
15 minutes, indeed!
He's a big one for building drama, remember? What else would you expect
with 5000 years of... experience?
Geez...
Violet < now my clone's sulking >
Sixt4TBird
Sweet_...@webtv.net (Sweet Violet) writes:
>
>TBird, sweetie, what are you saying? You and I both know that Methos has
>never been into ..."quickies"!
>
Must be the remnants of flu..........
<caught typing without my brain again>
bosslad...@my-dejanews.com
why Raven wasn't doing too well, and why she thinks it will do better now.
It wasn't slashable at the start - but in FC she saw plenty of *overtones* in
between Nick and Bert!
Jette (Joe's my jo!)
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Jarie
bosslad...@my-dejanews.com actually dared to write:
>It wasn't slashable at the start - but in FC she saw plenty of *overtones*
in
>between Nick and Bert!
>
Jette, Jette, I can't believe you said this! I kind of see him with Richie
myself....
Jarie
William Armstrong
>
> My friend the slash slut <g> (not a HL fan but she watches) gave me her theory
> why Raven wasn't doing too well, and why she thinks it will do better now.
>
> between Nick and Bert!
Nick'd never go for a bald guy. :-)
Shomeret
slashable as of "Passion Play". We're having a discussion on the Adult Raven
list about the possibility or desirability of Amanda/Lucy stories.
Shomeret
Sixt4TBird
writes:
>It wasn't slashable at the start - but in FC she saw plenty of *overtones* in
>between Nick and Bert!
EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<bert? with ANYone?>
EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW
The Writer
William Armstrong <william....@sympatico.ca> wrote
> Richie? No, Richie's too young, he needs to get
> his fill before he'll venture into unknown waters.
<laughing> I think Richie ventured into those waters with Duncan a long
time ago. Once Tessa was out of the picture, Duncan went a little berserk
... and Richie was already a hound. That's why Duncan was so distraught
over Richie's <final> death. He could never tell Amanda he loved her until
Richie was out of the picture, you know.
Jerri <shortest distance between 2 points is thru hyperspace>