The MacLeods and Culloden
M. Lea Meadows
"Tansay!" (that's Cree for Hi there.)
I have been "listening in" on the conversations for a couple of months
now, and have finally worked up the nerve to ask a question....
(please...please she grovels..let this not be an FAQ that somehow I've
missed!)
I watched an episode recently in which the "bonnie prince" said to
MacLeod, on learning his name, something to the effect, "...ahhh, the
Macleods, they stood strongly with me at Culloden."
Last spring my husband and I had the pleasure of visiting Scotland,
including the Isle of Skye (try a May day on a sheep farm in lambing
season -- and a blizzard!). We also visited Dunvegan and the clan seat.
At the clan seat we were told that the-then clan chief had told Bonnie
Prince Charlie, when he landed, to "go home! (i.e. Italy)" - and had not
supported him in the uprising. (side note: Apparently the Prince
responded by saying "I *am* home!" The chap could talk, he just didn't
lead very well!)
So...was it the MacLeods of Lewis or Harris to which our TV version of
the bonnie prince was referring? ...or did "someone" slip up?
p.s. I want to tell you all how much I have been enjoying the
conversations..this strikes me as a rather eclective, erudite, and
entertaining bunch!
Lea
(1 syllable only, please...my mum's a MacLaren -- she says she is
careful about money...and syllables!)
"Once we truly know that life is difficult --once we truly understand
and accept it -- then life is no longer difficult. Because once it is
accepted, it no longer matters." --Scott Peck. The Road Less Travelled.
Naomi A. Rose
In article <34D7B804...@cadvision.com>,
"M. Lea Meadows" <tan...@cadvision.com> wrote:
>"Tansay!" (that's Cree for Hi there.)
>
>I have been "listening in" on the conversations for a couple of months
>now, and have finally worked up the nerve to ask a question....
>(please...please she grovels..let this not be an FAQ that somehow I've
>missed!)
Oh, even if it was, we don't bite. And we forgive the first offense ;-P.
>I watched an episode recently in which the "bonnie prince" said to
>MacLeod, on learning his name, something to the effect, "...ahhh, the
>Macleods, they stood strongly with me at Culloden."
That would be "Through a Glass Darkly."
>Last spring my husband and I had the pleasure of visiting Scotland,
>including the Isle of Skye (try a May day on a sheep farm in lambing
>season -- and a blizzard!). We also visited Dunvegan and the clan seat.
>
>At the clan seat we were told that the-then clan chief had told Bonnie
>Prince Charlie, when he landed, to "go home! (i.e. Italy)" - and had not
>supported him in the uprising. (side note: Apparently the Prince
>responded by saying "I *am* home!" The chap could talk, he just didn't
>lead very well!)
>
>So...was it the MacLeods of Lewis or Harris to which our TV version of
>the bonnie prince was referring? ...or did "someone" slip up?
Well, it seemed to me that *Duncan* MacLeod stood strongly by BPC at
Culloden. There didn't seem to be any other MacLeods around him (I
don't recall seeing the tartan on anyone but DM in the battle scene --
anybody remember differently? I guess I could go watch the ep...). I
always thought BPC was referring to DM, through the hazy cloud of his
memory, in that scene, not necessarily multiple members of the Clan.
>p.s. I want to tell you all how much I have been enjoying the
>conversations..this strikes me as a rather eclective, erudite, and
>entertaining bunch!
Yes, we are :-). It's a fun ol' sandbox.
>Lea
>(1 syllable only, please...my mum's a MacLaren -- she says she is
>careful about money...and syllables!)
Lea Meadows? That's really beautiful, actually. Your mom's poetic.
Naomi
HlndrClan
Naomi
There were a few individual MacLeods that came out for Prince Charlie, but the
Clan as a whole did not, and what was heard at Dunvegan was true. If I
remember correctly, there was a MacLeod who helped the prince escape from Skye
with Flora MacDonald.
Sandi
Nonnajs
>At the clan seat we were told that the-then clan chief had told Bonnie
>Prince Charlie, when he landed, to "go home! (i.e. Italy)" - and had not
>supported him in the uprising. (side note: Apparently the Prince
>responded by saying "I *am* home!" The chap could talk, he just didn't
>lead very well!)
>So...was it the MacLeods of Lewis or Harris to which our TV version of
>the bonnie prince was referring? ...or did "someone" slip up?
Lea, from one newbie to another, welcome. I'm jealous I'm a MacLeod on my
grandmother's side and I'm hoping to be able to go to Skye and Dunvegan. My
book on MacLeod clan heritage says the the clan chief did not join Prince
Charlie but "many of his clansmen fought on the Jacobite side". I would
imagine it was like our Civil War where sometimes members of the same families
fought on opposite sides of the conflict.
dj
M. T. Modesto
Yep, dj, that's about the size of it. The Clan *officially* declared for
King George (after saying for years that
they were for James - BPC's father ) but many individuals fought for
Tiarlach (Charlie - that's the Gaelic
spelling)
Jette (Joe's my jo!) (presently in Maryland but normally in Scotland)
Nonnajs <non...@aol.com> wrote in article
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MsNia4
I seem to recall that it was at the battle of Cullodun tha so many of the men
died that the MacLeod clan was practically wiped ou. Consequently, the clan
was exempted from military service for a generation or two.
Lea
snip
I appreciate the input...yet...That doesn't seem to fit with what we
found at our visit to the battle site at Culloden Moor. There were
markers spread across the field noting the sites at which the various
clans took their stands. Being a Maclaren through my mother I, of
course, sought out that particular marker! -- and my husband is a
MacLeod via his mother's mother - however he *definitely* views himself
as a Canadian of English heritage.
I can't recall having seen a MacLeod marker that day - and being an HL
fan I think I would have spotted it. But - the place so shook me up --
so many dead youngsters and children because adults couldn't get past
their egos, that I may well have missed it.
Lea
Archive181
Neither faction of the clan Macleod stood with Bonnie Prince Charlie at
Culloden. The clan looked on the battle as a poor military and political
decision. This was a wise because after Scotland's loss to the British at
Culloden the clan Macleod emerged as one of the most powerfull highland clans
to date, based solely on their decision not to participate. In the show the
Macleods are included in this battle, I think, so that Duncan can experience a
somewhat character building defeat at the hands of a lesses foe, and to add
emotion to the episodes that pertain to that occurence.
Kelly Hancock
Lea--regarding your comment on finding any MacLeod markers on Culloden
Moor---I was there last summer and I did indeed find a marker and even
took a picture of it although it said Raasay Macleod which I assume was
a certain branch of the clan. That was certainly a very atmospheric
place. You could almost feel the sad vibrations there.
Kelly
Lea
Oh, well done, Kelly! Absolutely agree that Culloden Moor is a sad
place to be - it was a cold and blustery day when we were there in the
spring, apparently much like the battle day. And the battle doesn't go
away....I have a picture of one marker, to the Camerons, I believe, that
had a fresh posy of flowers on it.
Lea.
Kelly Hancock wrote:
>
> Lea--regarding your comment on [not] finding any MacLeod markers on Culloden
Sharon Carroll
MsNia4 <msn...@aol.com> wrote in article
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> I seem to recall that it was at the battle of Cullodun tha so many of the
men
> died that the MacLeod clan was practically wiped ou. Consequently, the
clan
> was exempted from military service for a generation or two.
>
nope. didn't happen - and military service would be purely voluntary
(except in the service of the Clan Chief)
Jette (your resident Scot) (still here)
