Molly Walker vs. Worse than Boogeyman paradox...
Brent W
scarier than the boogeyman(a.k.a. Sylar) in the final episodes? I went back
and watched episode 3 or 4 (The episode where Matt Parkman is first
interrogated by the FBI and offered a position helping the FBI) and to my
surprise I noticed something very peculiar... the person that came in and
tried to get at Molly Walker wasn't Sylar! I froze the frame and noticed
that it wasn't Zachary Quinto! I wonder if this character was meant to be
the person whom Molly Refers to as worse than the Boogeyman because she also
screams out "how did he find me?!" I only refer to this comment because in
one of the final episodes she mentioned (in lieu with her power of knowing
where someone is, just by thinking about them), she mentioned that the
person who is worse than the boogeyman could see her when she thought about
him. It was shown that the person who found her had telekinesis, but Sylar
isn't the only one with that ability... I may be looking too far in this,
and this may be a stretch, but for the entire first season of Heroes I think
someone has been watching Sylar bloom into a villainous creature, and that
same person was the one who broke in and tried to get Molly Walker. I
noticed also in that episode that the person did not hurt Molly when he
found her... he killed the FBI agent by stabbing a chair into him, impailing
him to the ceiling, but he had more than enough time to rip out Molly's
brain if he wanted it, IF he was Sylar... So, in conclusion of my theory, I
believe that the person who found her in the FBI headquarters was NOT Sylar,
as was led to believe by the shows characters... we shall see....
John Parkinson
> surprise I noticed something very peculiar... the person that came in and
> tried to get at Molly Walker wasn't Sylar! I froze the frame and noticed
> that it wasn't Zachary Quinto!
I thought that was just because he'd not been cast at that point.
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John Parkinson
suzee
I don't think he was cast in the part at that point either.
sue
jewahe
> Remember ol' Molly Walker and her comment about how the person who was
> scarier than the boogeyman(a.k.a. Sylar) in the final episodes? I went back
> and watched episode 3 or 4 (The episode where Matt Parkman is first
> interrogated by the FBI and offered a position helping the FBI) and to my
> surprise I noticed something very peculiar... the person that came in and
> tried to get at Molly Walker wasn't Sylar! I froze the frame and noticed
> that it wasn't Zachary Quinto!
You're right...it wasn't Quinto. The part of Sylar hadn't been cast yet,
which is why this character's face was always in shadows. The actor was
a stand in, and TPTB were deliberately being sketchy at that point
about his powers and appearance.
That's also the reason that the voice on Chandra Suresh's answering
machine is not Quinto's.
As far as everything else you've said - there is certainly room for a
later revelation that Sylar was not behind those things. However, for
now, they are just inconsistencies relating to the fact that Sylar's
character had not been fully developed. Also, in many ways, the
development of Sylar's character could be explained by a growing
confidence and/or growing madness.
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JWH
TC
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You are also dealing with uncertainty on the part of the network on if the
show would continue for the second half of the season. I'd imagine the
writers were in a tough spot as to how to develop the story until they got
assurances things would go on. I'd imagine they thought Sylar would be a
key guy, but what if they had to wrap it up in half a season? No need to
cast him then. Just blow it up, and try another series. Fans lke us would
watch it on DVD anyway forever.
Mr. Noah Bennett wasn't supposed to be a regular character, and it's
possible one tangent of the story would have Sylar dying, possibly at
Homecoming, who knows?
Now that the Heroes peole have a hit show, I'm hoping they make the 2nd
season more exciting and twisted than the 1st.
Brett A. Pasternack
> Now that the Heroes peole have a hit show, I'm hoping they make the 2nd
> season more exciting and twisted than the 1st.
In my experience, when shows try to be "more exciting" and have more
plot twists (if that's what you mean by more "twisted"), they usually go
downhill. See The Practice or Law & Order for details.
Just write interesting stories, develop the characters, and really
consider the effects of these powers on the people who have them and the
people around them. Don't try to constantly "top" yourself--it usually
doesn't work. JMO.
Heck
The writers have claimed they had a five-year plan for the story. This
character that Molly is really afraid of is of more interest to us
only now that we have seen what Syler can do and what he does, and now
that we have doubt about Syler's death (actually, by now, everyone
knows he's not dead). To have introduced the second season's big
threat so early in the first season, before the character and
capabilities of Syler were at all elaborated, and without returning to
mention the existence of such a character until the very last show,
five months later, seems such a waste of screen time, so pointless for
the narrative, that it's very unlikely.
The path is open for the writers, of course, and we'll see as this
next season progresses, but I think it's most easily answered that
since Syler was not yet cast, they just kept his face unseen.
Heck
I think the most important fact, I failed to say, is that for a while,
we thought Syler was Sprague. That obviously would not have worked if
we'd seen Syler's face earlier.
Pete B
hec...@inordertostymieharvestersverizon.net says...
> The writers have claimed they had a five-year plan for the story.
>
Really? You have a source for that?
Pete B
hec...@inordertostymieharvestersverizon.net says...
> >>You're right...it wasn't Quinto. The part of Sylar hadn't been cast yet,
>
> I think the most important fact, I failed to say, is that for a while,
> we thought Syler was Sprague.
No, "WE" didn't.
usenet identity
I had wondered something similar.
We never really see Sylar take punishment like that character did. He
took how many shots to the torso?
We see Sylar stop bullets before getting brained by them. We also see
him fall off the whatever the hell it was at homecoming. But he went
away bleeding from that as is shown when the FBI and Parkman come poking
around later.
They leave Sylar's abilities so up in the air that it is hard to say at
times. It would be cool if they would do something on the web that would
list the folks he has killed and what he gained from them.
What I am really saying is that your idea has merit and it would
actually be pretty cool if they ran with something like that.
We get the sense that Linderman, Old Lady Petrelli, Hiro's father, are
all working together in a sense and working against allies from the past
that have chosen a different path then them. Do we ever actually see who
those others are? I don't remember it.
Ryan
David Johnston
Sure we do. Bennet shot Sylar multiple times and that fall in Texas
would have killed any normal man.
usenet identity
that's right. When he showed up at Bennet's after killing Edan. I had
forgot that, thanks for the memory jog.
Ryan
Dragonlady
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> We get the sense that Linderman, Old Lady Petrelli, Hiro's father, are all
> working together in a sense and working against allies from the past that
> have chosen a different path then them. Do we ever actually see who those
> others are? I don't remember it.
>
> Ryan
Linderman and Mrs. Pettrelli are definitely working together. But during
the season finale I kind of got the impression that Hiro's father was on a
different track than in the past, when he was working with them.
jewahe
As Sylar attacked Sandra Bennett, HRG interrupted and shot him several
times, throwing him backwards into the refrigerator. The Graphic Novel
"Road Kill" picked up afterwards and showed that HRG's bullets did,
indeed, hit their target.
>
> We see Sylar stop bullets before getting brained by them. We also see
> him fall off the whatever the hell it was at homecoming. But he went
> away bleeding from that as is shown when the FBI and Parkman come poking
> around later.
There is the strong possibility that Sylar has some kind of
invulnerability, at least in limited form.
>
> They leave Sylar's abilities so up in the air that it is hard to say at
> times. It would be cool if they would do something on the web that would
> list the folks he has killed and what he gained from them.
That's not likely to happen. I'd prefer them to limit it, but TPTB seem
to want to deliberately conceal all of his powers. There is evidence
that he has gathered an enormous array of powers, but seems to prefer to
use TK. We've listed the confirmed powers in the FAQ.
> What I am really saying is that your idea has merit and it would
> actually be pretty cool if they ran with something like that.
The actual explanation is a bit more mundane - No one had been cast in
the part, so they had multiple stand-ins. Originally, Sylar was supposed
to be named "Paul", and be in his late 40's. TPTB were so impressed with
Quinto, though, they reimagined Sylar for him.
Like you, though, I think it would be an interesting way to tie up the
discrepancy.
> We get the sense that Linderman, Old Lady Petrelli, Hiro's father, are
> all working together in a sense and working against allies from the past
> that have chosen a different path then them. Do we ever actually see who
> those others are? I don't remember it.
Linderman and the Petrellis were definitely working together - "Dallas"
Petrelli and Linderman met in Viet Nam, when both were assigned to a
secret mission to take out a village (this was covered in the Graphic
Novel series "War Buddies"). Petrelli later became the In-House Council
for The Linderman Group. Nathan, as a Public Defender, was given the
task of prosecuting Linderman, and that led to the accident in which
Heidi, his wife, was paralyzed.
It was Kaito who ordered HRG to raise Claire, and turned custody over to
him on the roof of the Deveaux Building.
in-house council. At some point, Kaito Nakamura and Charles Deveaux were
also working with them. All of them were affiliated with The Company,
which also employed HRG, Thompson, Claude, Candice, Eden, and The Haitian.
Both Linderman and Kaito made comments to the effect that they worked
with a larger affiliation, but some of the people in that affiliation
had lost their way.
The conversation between Charles Deveaux and Angela Petrelli strongly
suggests that it was the Big Bang Plan that broke apart the a simmering rift
Season 2 is supposed to delve more into the background and reveal more
about the relationships between the older characters.
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JWH