Had that been in the works all along??
Gabby
Gabby
Debi Moseley
Richard, which I had thought to be the voice of reason and moderation in
most situations. Jason just got royally screwed by someone (Richard) he
thought he could trust (but at least they bought him dinner first). I wonder
if it was Richard's idea to have Jason tailed and maybe, how long he has
known about Jason and Lorelai.
The excrement has indeed struck the breeze generator.
Debi
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"I think not," said Descartes, and promptly disappeared.
"Gabby" <Lavol...@msn.com> wrote in message
AngLT97
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>Hmmm, makes one wonder, doesn't it. If true, it gives me a low opinion of
>Richard, which I had thought to be the voice of reason and moderation in
>most situations. Jason just got royally screwed by someone (Richard) he
>thought he could trust (but at least they bought him dinner first). I wonder
>if it was Richard's idea to have Jason tailed and maybe, how long he has
>known about Jason and Lorelai.
>The excrement has indeed struck the breeze generator.
I think some of the viewers might have miss a key point. Richard did not plan
to screw Jason from the beginning; he decided to backstab Jason to save his own
skin. Richard realize he could lose everything, especialy his pension, in the
lawsuit to Jason's father, and he decided to strike a deal and sacrifice Jason.
I hate this turn of events bec. it's completely out of character for Richard to
behave this way, and the promos seem to indicate this change in Richard could
prove disastrous for everyone.
Gash Andler
wrote:
>Did they do this just to get Digger?
>
>Gabby
>
It seems like it was in the works all along. Very clever and I like
it the twist but I'm not sure if it really fits with Richard's
character. Anyway, based on the preview for next week, it sounds like
Emily is more than just a little pissed about it since he obviously
hid his motives from her as well. Maybe this will be the event that
finally brings Emily and Lorelai "together."
D
In article <KPjhc.4622$gH6....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Debi
Moseley" <deb...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, makes one wonder, doesn't it. If true, it gives me a low opinion of
> Richard, which I had thought to be the voice of reason and moderation in
> most situations. Jason just got royally screwed by someone (Richard) he
> thought he could trust (but at least they bought him dinner first). I wonder
> if it was Richard's idea to have Jason tailed and maybe, how long he has
> known about Jason and Lorelai.
I'm left scratching my head. Could he have planned this from the moment
Jason joined him? Or did something else happen that caused him to distrust
Jason and try to screw him over?
Does anybody know _exactly_ what the two men said at the end?
D
AngLT97
>Jason joined him? Or did something else happen that caused him to distrust
>Jason and try to screw him over?
>
>Does anybody know _exactly_ what the two men said at the end?
This is not verbatim but essentially, Jason's father agreed to drop the lawsuit
with the condition Richard returns to his old company. Jason's father will
allow richard to set up his own new company but will be under the umbrella,
a.k.a control, of the main company. Jason, under these circumstances, will be
forced to return to work for his father. Richard agreed to the conditions bec.
he would have lost his pension and life savings fighting the lawsuit.
Sharpe Fan
"AngLT97" <ang...@aol.comsexymf> wrote in message
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I don't think Jason is returning. I think he is out in the cold.
Sharpe Fan
AngLT97
>lawsuit
>> with the condition Richard returns to his old company. Jason's father will
>> allow richard to set up his own new company but will be under the
>umbrella,
>> a.k.a control, of the main company. Jason, under these circumstances, will
>be
>> forced to return to work for his father. Richard agreed to the conditions
>bec.
>> he would have lost his pension and life savings fighting the lawsuit.
>
>I don't think Jason is returning. I think he is out in the cold.
>
My impression was that Jason's father did what he did bec.he wants his son to
return to him. Otherwise I don't see why Jason's fathe would went through all
the trouble of hiring detectives and blackmailing Richard. Ultimately, it will
still be Jason's decision whether he would go back to his father after being
humiliated by him and Richard.
SIPort27
>Did they do this just to get Digger?
I have to admit I never saw it coming.
I was betting the farm that Digger was going to screw over Richard, not vice
versa.
SIP
SIPort27
>that's now formed out of Richard and Digger's business, but the
>impression I got was that Jason's father wouldn't even hire him if he
>had "returned to him" (which would mean that he "returned" to his
>father and Richard's new company that came out of the merger of the two
>old ones... and why fire Jason if he's just going to reapply for and
>get a job at the company anyway? I think Jason's going to be on the
>outside looking in on all of this... and it makes me sick!).
>
>--- Cory
>
Tonight actually made me feel sorry for Digger - someone I haven't liked since
the beginning.
SIP
walkietalkie
AngLT97 wrote:
>
>
> My impression was that Jason's father did what he did bec.he wants his son to
> return to him.
Nope. he's out.
> Otherwise I don't see why Jason's fathe would went through all
> the trouble of hiring detectives and blackmailing Richard.
Way back when Jason proposed a partnership with Richard, we knew that his taking
his clients with him would upset his father (the name's Lloyd, by the way). Lloyd
just wanted his clients (and his pride) back. Richard got caught in the
father-son crossfire and made a deal-- icing Jason makes him a returning hero.
> Ultimately, it will
> still be Jason's decision whether he would go back to his father after being
> humiliated by him and Richard.
I don't think he's welcome.
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Although patrician, uptight, and a mama's boy of the first order,
Richard's always been fundamentally decent. He's apparently been a good
husband for almost 40 years, and clearly a hard worker who loves his
daughter and granddaughter, albeit awkwardly in his daughter's case.
But a backstabber? This is completely out of character. Maybe he lied to
Emily, he really is in bad shape and so financial survival becomes his prime
objective; and if that means cutting Jason loose, then so be it.
But seeing what an a-hole Floyd is, which Richard has alluded to before,
wouldn't Richard hesitate before returning to business with him? Why trust
him? And didn't Floyd shove Richard out the door in the first place?
(If this gets Jason off the show, adding to the list of Lorelai's failed
boyfriends, and setting the stage for more Luke intrigue, maybe it's not a
bad thing. Chris Eigeman isn't hurting for work...he also has a role on
Malcolm in the Middle.)
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Griffin
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What about the possibility that Richard isn't screwing over Jason? He
may have some plan up this sleeve that will save the business in some form
and keep both their jobs. I mean the story about the cigars could very well
be foreshadowing his ability to think around this problem and in the end
get back at Floyd. Call me an optimist but I agree with most of what the
groups been saying, that what Richard did was out of character but finding a
way to make everything work out the way he wants well that's very much along
his lines and I'm not ready to write him off yet.
I could be way off base but it's something to think about.
Matt
DTB
"walkietalkie" <wit...@net.bom> wrote in message
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that Jason was in cahoots with his dad all along with the goal of
eliminating Richard's company. Based on what anyone knew of the company
prior to Jason quitting it to work with Richard, it would make no sense for
him to have left. He was going to manage it and there is no specific reason
for a grudge against his dad.
Richard bought into Jason's defection entirely too easily because of his own
pride and the smooth way he was played like a fish. Although Jason will
initially look like the victim, don't count on him and his dad taking the
last hand in this card game.
Debi Moseley
of
> > Richard, which I had thought to be the voice of reason and moderation in
> > most situations. Jason just got royally screwed by someone (Richard) he
> > thought he could trust (but at least they bought him dinner first). I
> wonder if it was Richard's idea to have Jason tailed and maybe, how long
he has
> > known about Jason and Lorelai.
> > The excrement has indeed struck the breeze generator.
> > Debi
> > > Did they do this just to get Digger?
> > >
> > > Gabby
> What about the possibility that Richard isn't screwing over Jason? He
> may have some plan up this sleeve that will save the business in some form
> and keep both their jobs. I mean the story about the cigars could very
well
> be foreshadowing his ability to think around this problem and in the end
> get back at Floyd. Call me an optimist but I agree with most of what the
> groups been saying, that what Richard did was out of character but finding
a
> way to make everything work out the way he wants well that's very much
along
> his lines and I'm not ready to write him off yet.
>
> I could be way off base but it's something to think about.
>
> Matt
I would like to believe your opinion, Matt. But Richard seemed a bit smug
when golfing will Lloyd in the tag scene, though that could just be good
acting on Richard's part, making Lloyd think he's 100% on board. But, I
really don't think so.
Who knew the insurance business was so cutthroat?
DTB
"dfg" <gmcfa...@cox.net> wrote in message
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character. The whole Luke/Nichole thing was nuts. Luke on a cruise, Luke
getting married to a waspish lawyer with no discernable personality, Luke
being in and out of a marraige all at the same time? They took his
character's basic decency and sent it into hiding so that he could
childishly overreact to not being with Lorelai. Getting arrested?
Rory being unfocused on school? Being negative toward Lindsay? Being
unbelievably rude to Dean? Meddling in a marraige? Making snide comments
about people? Even thinking about being "the other woman". It's just not
true to the character.
Dean has been turned into someone so dumb and simultaneously insensitive
that it's hard to swallow. Making nice at the Inn one minute with his wife,
literally sneaking around back alleys the next?
Richard falling apart when his mom died? Yelling at her just before?
Betraying the firm by taking in Jason? Betraying Jason by going back to the
firm?
Lorelai always drank, but this year the writers have turned her into someone
who almost always reaches for a drink. Her whole relationship with Jason
seems to be built around alcohol.
Maybe the writers figured they had to make the characters evolve in ways
that created drama, but maybe they either forgot or are new and don't know
what the characters are about. Maybe it's time for the "Dallas" plot device
of having Kirk or someone wake up and realize the whole season was just a
bad dream.
Shannon
I agree. I think Richard has something up his sleeve. He was so PO'd about
Floyd's company before, I doubt he'd go back that quickly. I think he want's
go get back in Floyd's good graces and then screw him over.
-Shannon
D
In article <0vshc.47409$04.10...@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "DTB"
<dbok...@triad.rr.com> wrote:
> That's alot of the problem this year, characters written to do things out of
> character. The whole Luke/Nichole thing was nuts. Luke on a cruise, Luke
You're right about this. They've had a lot of their characters doing things
that are not consistent with what we've seen them do.
> Maybe the writers figured they had to make the characters evolve in ways
> that created drama, but maybe they either forgot or are new and don't know
> what the characters are about. Maybe it's time for the "Dallas" plot device
The problem is that this is not "evolving." It's not evolving if someone
suddenly does something for no reason that is consistent with who they are.
In the first two seasons we did see Lorelei evolve, developing a better
relationship with her parents. For some bizarre reason a lot of that got
dropped rather suddenly at the end of last year and into this one. Now it
almost seems as if the writers are choosing their plots by throwing darts at
a board.
D
D
In article <20040421014219...@mb-m11.aol.com>, sipo...@aol.com
(SIPort27) wrote:
>>Did they do this just to get Digger?
>
> I have to admit I never saw it coming.
You didn't see it coming because it's simply not consistent with who Richard
is.
Now unless they have a better explanation of what happened, I'm going to be
really disappointed with the writing.
D
Tee
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I'm hesitant to buy into this hook, line & sinker. I can't find any reason
for Richard to dislike Jason, or have so little respect for him as a
business partner. Richard may be sacrificing himself to the slaughter to
save Jason. He probably knows that Jason's father can take them to the
drycleaners financially and that Jason won't be able to get around the old
man. So why not throw his dreams aside and go back to work for the man who
just threatened you but save your young partner by doing so? IOW its
possible that Richard has a trick up his own sleeve and possible that he'll
find a way to leave Jason set up on his own, possibly forming a new company
and sending their existing clients to that new company so that Jason's dad
doesn't acquire anything fruitful from their labors. Hope that makes sense.
I honestly don't see a reason for Richard to get upset with Jason over
Lorelai. He's hardly the protective father who has a say in his daughter's
life. He can't object to Jason as a boyfriend because there's no grounds,
and very good grounds for him to approve. I just get the sneaking suspicion
that Richard has turned the tables on Mr. Stiles but no one will be the
wiser for some time to come.
--
Tara
LAYATES
Luke's marriage, could keep the Luke-Lorelai relationship at bay for another
year. But Jason had to go, and it looks like he has. Lousy way to handle it,
however. but it wouldn't be the first time the writers have played the audience
for chumps.
E Brown
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>>Hmmm, makes one wonder, doesn't it. If true, it gives me a low opinion of
>>Richard, which I had thought to be the voice of reason and moderation in
>>most situations. Jason just got royally screwed by someone (Richard) he
>>thought he could trust (but at least they bought him dinner first). I wonder
>>if it was Richard's idea to have Jason tailed and maybe, how long he has
>>known about Jason and Lorelai.
>>The excrement has indeed struck the breeze generator.
>
>I think some of the viewers might have miss a key point. Richard did not plan
>to screw Jason from the beginning; he decided to backstab Jason to save his own
>skin. Richard realize he could lose everything, especialy his pension, in the
>lawsuit to Jason's father, and he decided to strike a deal and sacrifice Jason.
>
I think it was in part due to Jason's betrayal by dating Lorelai,
and Lloyd was right about Richard's taste for revenge. The rest was
simply symmetry - Jason used Richard to try screwing over his father,
now Lloyd's using Richard to screw over his son, with Richard
profiting both times.
Richard is a moral person, but he and Emily have always been
cut-throats when it comes to business. We've seen this numerous times.
Emanuel
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1983 Porsche 944
Sharpe Fan
"Tee" <crappol...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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I hope you are right, but I fear you are wrong (this is not based on
spoilers - this whole plot line is a surprise to me).
I can see Richard screwing Jason, if he thought it was in his best interest.
I just totally despise the action. It may also be illegal. Since he is in
a partnership with Jason is he violating his fiduciary responsibilities with
his deal with Floyd? Are there any lawyers in the newsgroup who could
answer this?
Sharpe Fan
Sharpe Fan
"E Brown" <epbr...@att.net> wrote in message
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A moral person does not screw his partner for profit.
Sharpe Fan
Champloo
Now all of a sudden that Snidely Whiiplash mustache on Richard makes
all the sense in the world!
Champloo
Russell Watson
wrote:
>Did they do this just to get Digger?
>
>Gabby
>
No, Richard rolled over. I'm sure the pension thing was the kicker.
'97 FLSTF
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AngLT97
>
>"betrayal", I don't think, though. I mean, yeah, it's a betrayal in
>the sense that no one said anything to the respective parents about
>Jason and Lorelai dating, but it's not a betrayal in the sense that
>Floyd/Richard don't like the person that their son/daughter is dating.
But if this was true, wouldn't this make Richard's betrayal of Jason much, much
worse? Jason didn't tell Richard that he's dating his daughter and so, Richard
decided to get back at Jason by striking a deal with Floyd and leaving Jason
out of the whole loop, and thus ending Jason's promising young career? Isn't
this incredibly petty of Richard and that the punishment does not fit the
crime? If Richard really want to punish Jason for dating Lorelai, the fit
punishment would be to kidnap his 'lefty' dog.
LAYATES
Remember Max. Nice guy until one episode where he turns into a control freak;
then he's dropped with no real elaboration. Poof, he's gone (except for a few
guest shots thereafter). It would be nice if the writers would give us more
insight into what happened between Richard and Jason, but as I said in another
thread, the writers have never been above playing the audience for chumps.
Gash Andler
I'd like to think as some others have suggested here that it's just a
ruse of Richard's to save his company and that he's not really
screwing over Jason. BUT based on the preview for next week's
episode, Emily is apparently going to leave Richard over this so it
must be for real. And if that is the case this is totally out of
character for Richard and kinda lame.
onemarathon
"D" <Z1rk...@nospamssseatearthlink.net> wrote:
i think that Richard did not really accept Jason's apology for lying to
him for five months about his seeing Lorelai. a sacred trust was
destroyed. and because of that, he had absolutely no problem in putting
Jason out of the picture (as Floyd had likely stated as one of his
conditions in their deal) for the sake of his business, financial
future, and social standing....
Cam
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In article <210420042128028162%seeker#@tds.net>, Cory <seeker#@tds.net>
wrote:
> Does a moral person keep their parents in the dark purposely about who
> they are dating??? Morals have been tossed out the window in this
> situation.
Why this obsession with Lorelei not telling her parents who she was dating?
That is NOT the issue. And it is not _that_ immoral. Sheesh! You're
acting like she killed someone and her parents are just seeking revenge.
D
D
In article <210420042126252340%seeker#@tds.net>, Cory <seeker#@tds.net>
wrote:
> accepted a settlement, no matter what it was proposed to be. Floyd
> accepted Richard's settlement to get back at Jason for not telling him
> that Jason was dating Lorelai,
Er... the way you wrote that indicates that Floyd was _motivated_ by the
dating situation. He wasn't. There's no good indication that he even
_cared_ about it.
Floyd was motivated by other things.
> I'm sure, and I'm sure Richard offered
> it, in part, because he was pissed off that he was once again on the
> outside looking in WRT Lorelai's life.
>
> I'd be willing to place large wagers about how certain I am that Jason
> and Lorelai's secret relationship was another kicker that led to the
> settlement... that's how sure I am about it. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly
> eat my words, but IMHO, it all fits together.
I think you're being silly. You think they would go through this much
trouble because they weren't told that their kids were dating? Heck, it's
just sauce for the goose. It's not really important. This is far more
personal than that.
D
D
In article <f26e801nh5j3pclrg...@4ax.com>, Gash Andler
<n...@no.net> wrote:
> screwing over Jason. BUT based on the preview for next week's
> episode, Emily is apparently going to leave Richard over this so it
> must be for real.
Do
Not
Believe
The
Previews.
Remember last season when they had the preview that implied that Rory slept
with Jess? Don't you think they were screwing over the viewers then? In
fact, they used a _cut_ scene in the preview, so they were doubly deceptive.
We know by now that the previews lie. They are deliberately deceptive.
The preview for next week had Lorelei saying in a flat, emotionless voice "I
cannot believe my parents are separated." It just sounded wrong. I tend to
doubt that it is true.
D
D
In article <210420042122358529%seeker#@tds.net>, Cory <seeker#@tds.net>
wrote:
> were engaged, or something like that.), so I can see them exacting the
> ultimate revenge for this "last straw" of Lorelai not telling either of
> them that she is dating Jason... AND IT STINKS!
> Or this. Note that I never, ever in a trillion years would have
> *guessed* that Richard would pull this, but given the fact that no one
> knew that Jason and Lorelai were dating, I'm hardly surprised at all
> that he and/or Floyd DID pull this crap.
Oh, brother. So you think that the _only_ reason they did this is because
Lorelei and Jason were dating?
Don't you think that's a little weird? Why the heck didn't he just confront
Lorelei?
D
Gabby
"Cory" <seeker#@tds.net> wrote in message
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> In article <sdwhc.6939$_o3.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Sharpe Fan <sharpese...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> > A moral person does not screw his partner for profit.
> >
> > Sharpe Fan
>
> Does a moral person keep their parents in the dark purposely about who
> they are dating??? Morals have been tossed out the window in this
> situation.
I beg to differ. Lorelei is an adult and whom she dates is none of her
parents' business.
Gabby
umop apisdn
> (the name's Lloyd, by the way)
Actually, it's Floyd.
umop apisdn
>
> It's actually Floyd. Someone thankfully cleared up the confusion over
> that in this thread or another thread.
Note to self: update headers before posting.
*nods*
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Sharpe Fan
"Cory" <seeker#@tds.net> wrote in message
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> In article <sdwhc.6939$_o3.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Sharpe Fan <sharpese...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think it was in part due to Jason's betrayal by dating Lorelai,
> > > and Lloyd was right about Richard's taste for revenge. The rest was
> > > simply symmetry - Jason used Richard to try screwing over his father,
> > > now Lloyd's using Richard to screw over his son, with Richard
> > > profiting both times.
> > > Richard is a moral person, but he and Emily have always been
> > > cut-throats when it comes to business. We've seen this numerous times.
> > > Emanuel
> > > --
> >
> > A moral person does not screw his partner for profit.
> >
> > Sharpe Fan
>
> they are dating??? Morals have been tossed out the window in this
> situation.
>
>
Lorleia was very stupid to not tell her parents that she was dating Jason.
However, I can't see how an adult woman not telling her parents about her
love life is immoral.
Sharpe Fan
D
In article <1pQhc.21028$um3.4...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Sharpe Fan" <sharpese...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Does a moral person keep their parents in the dark purposely about who
>> they are dating??? Morals have been tossed out the window in this
>> situation.
>>
>> --- Cory
>>
> Lorleia was very stupid to not tell her parents that she was dating Jason.
> However, I can't see how an adult woman not telling her parents about her
> love life is immoral.
Cory thinks that Lorelei is Evil.
D
E Brown
<Z1rk...@nospamssseatearthlink.net> wrote:
>Why this obsession with Lorelei not telling her parents who she was dating?
>That is NOT the issue. And it is not _that_ immoral. Sheesh! You're
>acting like she killed someone and her parents are just seeking revenge.
Ignorance is inexperience, stupidity is when someone *with*
experience achieves the same bad result as an ignorant person. And, as
the saying goes, insanity is doing repeating the same behavior
expecting different results.
Lorelai was STUPID or INSANE not to tell her parents. She's done
this before and seen what happens when she hides a relationship from
her parents, but there she goes again. And last time, it was Max, a
total stranger, not someone 1) from their circle and 2) with a close
relationship to Richard and the family finances.
If we're going to watch this happen over and over again, the show
is not worth my time. It's bad characterization and poor writing.
Tee
And now Lorelai has the perfect "out" of this relationship. She's going to
use the excuse of it being all her fault that Jason was burned by her
father. This is the furthest we've seen Lorelai go in a relationship and we
know it won't last. I know she was engaged to Max but she never lived with
him and didn't spend as much time with him as she has with Jason.
--
Tara
D
In article <qm2g80pms37ri115g...@4ax.com>, E Brown
<epbr...@att.net> wrote:
> Lorelai was STUPID or INSANE not to tell her parents. She's done
Okay, so Cory says she's Evil and you say she's Insane.
I think we're overreacting a little here.
D
Ice Queen
> I'm left scratching my head. Could he have planned this from the moment
> Jason joined him? Or did something else happen that caused him to distrust
> Jason and try to screw him over?
> Does anybody know _exactly_ what the two men said at the end?
I watched the ep again today, and something struck me as odd: the
first thing Richard says is something like "Now that we're done with
the long strokes..." It's a golf pun, but it's also supposed to mean
that Richard and Lloyd were... what? "Long" as in "a long time" and
"strokes" as in setting something up? Richard and Lloyd had been
conspiring for a long time against Digger? I can't imagine Richard
would have said that if this outsting of Digger happened because of
what happened at dinner.
It's all very strange, though. I'm not of the camp that thinks this is
out of character for Richard; but on the other hand, the ending scene
was very sudden and abrupt. I predict that we're missing a huge piece
of the puzzle, and that nothing is as it seems right now.
Meanwhile: what was that adorable outfit Lorelai was wearing in the
promo, with the crown of flowers? And dancing with Luke? (with the
cybill shephard lense filter? dream sequence?) At first I thought
wedding, but who's left to get married? Town Spring Festival? You
*know* it's gonna turn out to be a TEASER, but still. Hope springs
eternal.
Aura
Sharpe Fan
"Ice Queen" <nard...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "D" <Z1rk...@nospamssseatearthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > I'm left scratching my head. Could he have planned this from the moment
> > Jason joined him? Or did something else happen that caused him to
distrust
> > Jason and try to screw him over?
> > Does anybody know _exactly_ what the two men said at the end?
>
> I watched the ep again today, and something struck me as odd: the
> first thing Richard says is something like "Now that we're done with
> the long strokes..." It's a golf pun, but it's also supposed to mean
> that Richard and Lloyd were... what? "Long" as in "a long time" and
> "strokes" as in setting something up? Richard and Lloyd had been
> conspiring for a long time against Digger? I can't imagine Richard
> would have said that if this outsting of Digger happened because of
> what happened at dinner.
>
I thought (and I have not re-watched the show) they meant now that they have
the major parts of the deal resolved they will work on the details.
[snipped]
>
> Aura
Lorraine
Ice Queen wrote:
> "D" <Z1rk...@nospamssseatearthlink.net> wrote in message news:<eelhc.16972$l75....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
>
>>I'm left scratching my head. Could he have planned this from the moment
>>Jason joined him? Or did something else happen that caused him to distrust
>>Jason and try to screw him over?
>>Does anybody know _exactly_ what the two men said at the end?
>
>
> Meanwhile: what was that adorable outfit Lorelai was wearing in the
> promo, with the crown of flowers? And dancing with Luke? (with the
> cybill shephard lense filter? dream sequence?) At first I thought
> wedding, but who's left to get married? Town Spring Festival? You
> *know* it's gonna turn out to be a TEASER, but still. Hope springs
> eternal.
>
> Aura
Isn't this Luke's sister's wedding? I thought I had read that Luke takes
Lorelai with him?
Lorraine
E Brown
<Z1rk...@nospamssseatearthlink.net> wrote:
>----------
>In article <f26e801nh5j3pclrg...@4ax.com>, Gash Andler
><n...@no.net> wrote:
>
>> screwing over Jason. BUT based on the preview for next week's
>> episode, Emily is apparently going to leave Richard over this so it
>> must be for real.
>
>Do
>
>Not
>
>Believe
>
>The
>
>Previews.
>
dating Lorelai has never endeared them to her. Richard could kill
Jason and she'd have the maid help bury him in the garden. No way she
cares that much about the kid being shut out on a business deal.
She's also fiercely loyal to Richard and tends to leave the
business decisions up to him; unless something changed their quality
of life severely, no way she'd create a scandal for both of them by
leaving him. This is a typical WB preview, I'm betting - half a
sentence taken out of context to make things more dramatic.
umop apisdn
>
> I watched the ep again today, and something struck me as odd: the
> first thing Richard says is something like "Now that we're done with
> the long strokes..." It's a golf pun, but it's also supposed to mean
> that Richard and Lloyd were... what? "Long" as in "a long time" and
> "strokes" as in setting something up? Richard and Lloyd had been
> conspiring for a long time against Digger? I can't imagine Richard
> would have said that if this outsting of Digger happened because of
> what happened at dinner.
Did you notice how Richard was surprisingly calm after Digger told him
that he'd sort everything out, even telling Emily that everything would be
ok? Someone with Richard's sense and sensibilities would not sit back and
rely on Digger to work it all out for him. I suspect that Richard, from
that moment, was hatching his plan. Floyd was bluffing, just as Jason
suspected, but not to Richard and Jason together. He obviously knew that
Richard would try to rectify things by "creatively" going behind Jason's
back - just like he did with the Cigar retailer. He went to the source of
the problem, and got the upper hand. He's doing the exact same thing with
Jason. I was surprised that it was so uncharacteristically Richard, but as
Rory said, "it's a dog eat dog world, Grandpa". That insurance game, it's
just so sinister. heh.
E Brown
<sharpese...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I thought (and I have not re-watched the show) they meant now that they have
>the major parts of the deal resolved they will work on the details.
>
broad strokes - ". They'd worked out the general plan, and were going
on to discuss the fine details.
LAYATES
screwed Jason over (why would Emily care), but over the pension issue. Putting
up the pension and not telling the spouse would be considered grounds for
separation, even in a wealthy family.
AngLT97
>dating Lorelai has never endeared them to her. Richard could kill
>Jason and she'd have the maid help bury him in the garden. No way she
>cares that much about the kid being shut out on a business deal.
> She's also fiercely loyal to Richard and tends to leave the
>business decisions up to him; unless something changed their quality
>of life severely, no way she'd create a scandal for both of them by
>leaving him. This is a typical WB preview, I'm betting - half a
>sentence taken out of context to make things more dramatic.
But have you notice that Emily and Lorelai have gotten closer since their trip
at the mall and conversely, emily and richard are pulling further away? I agree
with you that Emily is not enamored of Jason dating Lorelai and probably would
side with Richard on whatever he does, but what Richard does to Jason will
devastate Lorelai. Emily has not been crazy about the subtle changes Richard
has made to himself, but hurting their own daughter could be the final straw
for Emily to lash out at Richard for all the changes that have transpired. This
would make Emily want to walk out on her husband.
Gash Andler
<Z1rk...@nospamssseatearthlink.net> wrote:
>----------
>In article <f26e801nh5j3pclrg...@4ax.com>, Gash Andler
><n...@no.net> wrote:
>
>> screwing over Jason. BUT based on the preview for next week's
>> episode, Emily is apparently going to leave Richard over this so it
>> must be for real.
>
>Do
>
>Not
>
>Believe
>
>The
>
>Previews.
>
Yeah you do have a point there. The WB has more than on one occasion
jerked us around with creative edits so you may be right.
Anne
I can see Lorelei holding off telling the parents at first, since it was
hardly worth the hassle if they were just going to casually date a few
times. But once it was clear that things were progressing (they said they
had been dating 5 months) they should have said something.
Lorelei was unfair to Jason (who wanted to tell) for making him continually
lie to his business partner, and they were also playing with fire given the
small world and people they were dealing with.
AngLT97
>what I wrote. Immoral does NOT = "evil".
>
I might have forgotten what was taught in my first civics class back in junior
high, but if immoral isn't evil, what, then, is evil???
D
In article <20040428182135...@mb-m16.aol.com>,
ang...@aol.comsexymf (AngLT97) wrote:
> I might have forgotten what was taught in my first civics class back in junior
> high, but if immoral isn't evil, what, then, is evil???
Evil wears black.
D
Rob Jensen
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>Although patrician, uptight, and a mama's boy of the first order,
>Richard's always been fundamentally decent. He's apparently been a good
>husband for almost 40 years, and clearly a hard worker who loves his
>daughter and granddaughter, albeit awkwardly in his daughter's case.
>
>But a backstabber? This is completely out of character. Maybe he lied to
>Emily, he really is in bad shape and so financial survival becomes his prime
>objective; and if that means cutting Jason loose, then so be it.
It's not out-of-character for Richard to pull crap like this --
what can be more backstabbing than to connive with people
*other* than the parents of your grandchild the fate of said
grandchild? Funny irony, too. I'm willing to bet that if they
hadn't cut Lorelai and Christopher out of that conversation
in DE&R, the kids probably would have done whatever the parents
wanted. Richard and Floyd's betrayal of Jason in this
episode only extends the sheer callousness and arrogance
of this older generation to the nth degree.
-- Rob
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LORELAI: In the movie, only boy hobbits travel to Mount Doom, but that's only
because the girls went to do something even more dangerous.
GIRL: What?
LORELAI: Have you ever heard of a Brazilian Bikini Wax?
Rob Jensen
ang...@aol.comsexymf (AngLT97) writes:
>I hate this turn of events bec. it's completely out of character for Richard
>to
>behave this way, and the promos seem to indicate this change in Richard could
>prove disastrous for everyone.
It's not out-of-character for Richard to pull sh*t like this
behind a younger person's back -- this is entirely parallel
to his and Strobe's wheeling and dealing over the fates
of Lorelai, Christopher and Rory in Dear Emily & Richard.
Rob Jensen
when was this scheme cooked up?" Interesting point.
IMO, the earlier this scheme was hatched, the less likely
it is that Richard was doing this simply to punish
Jason for underestimating Floyd and for dating Lorelai
behind his back and the more likely it is that
Richard saw it as an opportunity to use Jason to
become an active part of Floyd's firm again. IOW,
the earlier this scheme was hatched, the more
evil Richard turns out to be.
Rob Jensen
threads I missed out on while I was searching for a new newsreader, and
I couldn't resist.
Cory wrote:
> In article <sdwhc.6939$_o3.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> Sharpe Fan <sharpese...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>A moral person does not screw his partner for profit.
>>
>
> Does a moral person keep their parents in the dark purposely about who
> they are dating???
In a word: yes. If the parents are passive-aggressive backstabbers
like Richard and/or mentally abusive control freaks like Emily. You
keep what you value safe from danger.
-- Rob Jensen
--
Rob Jensen
Johnny Cash is evil?
-- Rob