Rory's Name: How did "Lorelei" become Rory?
Ridgemon...@yahoo.com
that?
Is Rory her middle name?
I don't remember ever hearing that Rory was "short" for Lorelei.
Sandy McDermin
Yes, "Rory" is certainly short for Lorelai. Rory's legal name is Lorelai
Leigh Gilmore (which DOES sound like a stripper's name to paraphrase one
of the Chilton girls.;-) Lorelai Leigh is also the name of the Marilyn
Monroe character in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes." Anyway, I suspect that
they were calling Lorelai Jr. "Lori," but she couldn't say it, and it
came out "Rory." This is just my guess.... Or, it could all be
intentional. It was never explained.
Sandy
Ridgemon...@yahoo.com
actually short for Lorelei.
When I mean "short" for something that would be like "Beth" being short
for Elizabeth.
It appears they just decided to call her Rory.
Anybody
<mcde...@his.com> wrote:
Actually I seem to recall that not being able to say "Lori" (or perhaps
"Lorelai") as a baby IS the reason she gto the name Rory ... just don't
ask me what episode / season that was in, it's only a vague
recollection.
Tink
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> So, I guess they just cal her Rory, but that the name Rory is not
> actually short for Lorelei.
>
> When I mean "short" for something that would be like "Beth" being short
> for Elizabeth.
Anyone know why the "short" form for James is Jim? And why it's Dick for
Richard? Those have always bothered me...doesn't make sense!
Lionors17
Or "Peggy" from "Margaret"?!
Jennifer
How old are kids when they start talking? From the flashback scene
where Lorelai runs away:
>From 3.13 - Dear Emily and Richard
EMILY: Lorelai, we're leaving! Well, what do you know? She finally
put Rory's stroller away. It's the first time in a year I haven't
tripped over that thing.
Barrnabas Collins
This is a pure guess but my guess would be when Rory was young
they would try to get her to pronounce (or to get other
kids to pronounce) Lorelai and they couldn't, that they (or her) would
keep pronouncing it "Rory." I would further guess that as Rory grew
older the name stuck.
Yes this theory is a pure guess on my part.
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of letters?
T.J.
for
> > Richard? Those have always bothered me...doesn't make sense!
> >
> >
>
>
> Or "Peggy" from "Margaret"?!
Peggy from Margaret? First time I've ever heard that one. I've always
assumed Maggie or Margie were diminutive forms of Margaret.
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T.J.
> This is a pure guess but my guess would be when Rory was young
> they would try to get her to pronounce (or to get other
> kids to pronounce) Lorelai and they couldn't, that they (or her) would
> keep pronouncing it "Rory." I would further guess that as Rory grew
> older the name stuck.
>
> Yes this theory is a pure guess on my part.
Good guess, IMHO. Turning it around a bit, my niece April couldn't pronounce
my other sister's name 'Lisa' properly and instead called her 'Shisha'.
April is 17 now and still calls her aunt 'Shisha'. Names stick, even if they
aren't always the right ones.
Beth
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name, Darlene. He called her "Dean" when he was really little, probably a
little less than one . He's still only six but he still calls her that
because she had a little fit when he started trying to call her Darlene.
His little sister calls her that and now some other family members do too.
My little cousin's little sister calls me Besh instead of Beth. The little
sister is 5 and still calls me that. My mom actually has the other nickname
of Engie because my aunt couldn't say Darlene when she was little. All of
her sisters and her parents call her that. Child mispronunciations of names
that result in a nickname are apparently popular in my family,
Ray
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> Isn't Rory's real name Lorelei Gilmore? How did they get
"Rory" from
> that?
[snip]
And why the odd spelling? Isn't the name pronounced "Roy" (as in
Roy Rogers) or have I been miss hearing it all these seasons?
Or maybe the writers only made her real name "Lorelei" after the
pilot and have yet to come up with a good explanation so haven't
tried. Continuity error maybe?
Rob Jensen
<bakocond...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > Anyone know why the "short" form for James is Jim? And why it's Dick
>for
>> > Richard? Those have always bothered me...doesn't make sense!
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Or "Peggy" from "Margaret"?!
>
>Peggy from Margaret? First time I've ever heard that one. I've always
>assumed Maggie or Margie were diminutive forms of Margaret.
Maggie, Mags, Marge, Margie, Meg, Peg and Peggy are all diminutives of
Margaret. I suspect that Peg/Peggy are variants of the "Meg"
diminutive, but they were all spun off as nicknames from the original
name so long ago that I doubt that there's hard evidence of
when/how/why it happened. I think Peg even comes up as a nickname in
a Shakespeare or two.
-- Rob
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Rob Jensen
>Isn't Rory's real name Lorelei Gilmore? How did they get "Rory" from
>that?
Despite what another poster says, it's never really been explained
how/why Lorelai started calling her Rory. I think it's safe to assume
that, at the very least, Lorelai decided that she needed to call her
daughter by another name other than her own. Less safe to assume, but
still reasonable, is the probability that Lor came up with "Rory"
through simply babytalking their shared name to Lor Jr at somepoint.
Something like Lorelai --> Lori --> Wowi --> Wori --> Rory fooling
around with several variations like that until stumbling on "Rory" by
accident. Either that, or Lorelai had a thing for Rory Calhoun at
some point.
>Is Rory her middle name?
No. Lorelai is Lorelai Victoria Gilmore. Rory is Lorelai Leigh
Gilmore.
>I don't remember ever hearing that Rory was "short" for Lorelei.
Any diminutive that can plausibly be derived from a "proper" name form
(regardless of the Lorelais' nonconventional spelling of their name,
which is L-O-R-E-L-A-I, not the usual L-O-R-E-L-E-I.) is a valid
diminutive. That's part and parcel of the flexibility of the English
language, IMO. It's not any less plausible a diminutive than "Bob"
is for "Robert" -- (but FTR, I *hate* to be called Bob or Bobby.)
-- Robbie Boy
Sharpe Fan
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> Ridgemon...@yahoo.com wrote in news:1126745833.428293.296830
> @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Isn't Rory's real name Lorelei Gilmore? How did they get
> "Rory" from
>> that?
> [snip]
>
> And why the odd spelling? Isn't the name pronounced "Roy" (as in
> Roy Rogers) or have I been miss hearing it all these seasons?
The second R is sounded.
>
> Or maybe the writers only made her real name "Lorelei" after the
> pilot and have yet to come up with a good explanation so haven't
> tried. Continuity error maybe?
Sharpe Fan
Schelry(at)noemail(dot)invalid
Nicknames may or may not be derived from an actual given name, and may
or may not be shortened versions of that name. E.g., Charles into
Charlie indicates youth, cutefulness. Charles into Chuck, or Chad, is a
nickname. Use of either vs. Charles usually indicates the informality,
intimacy, or long establishment of the relationship with the person who
is permitted to use that version of the given name.
One of the most interesting little lessons on this I had while living
abroad, was learning the why, wherefore, and how a friend of mine had
gotten the appellation "Pino" from his given name, "Giuseppe" (aka
Joseph in English speaking countries).
The derivation went like this:
Giuseppe = given
+ ino = Giuseppino = loving suffix added when a child to indicate
smallness, littleness, cuteness
+inino = Giuseppinino = even more cute, adorable
- Giusep = Pinino = superbly cute, adorable
- ni = Pino = extremely shortened but still cute and lovable version of
"Giusseppinino", applicable to the now grown but still adored Giuseppe.
other suffixes that could be added/subracted at will include:
-uccio = small, tiny, good
-accio = great, big, huge, ugly
....you get the picture
Michele
PS one of my all-time favorite Italianisms is a product of this type of
prefix/suffixation process: "precipitevolissimevelocimevolmente", which
translated means "fast". Like most of my favorite foreign quotes and
phrases, its regrettably not a word frequently in use.
Schelry(at)noemail(dot)invalid
not dissimilar way.
Schelry(at)noemail(dot)invalid
not only us but also our entire community (including those outside the
family) as "Unka Aywee" or Aywee for short.
William George Ferguson
>On 14 Sep 2005 17:57:13 -0700, Ridgemon...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>Isn't Rory's real name Lorelei Gilmore? How did they get "Rory" from
>>that?
>
>Despite what another poster says, it's never really been explained
>how/why Lorelai started calling her Rory. I think it's safe to assume
>that, at the very least, Lorelai decided that she needed to call her
>daughter by another name other than her own. Less safe to assume, but
>still reasonable, is the probability that Lor came up with "Rory"
>through simply babytalking their shared name to Lor Jr at somepoint.
>Something like Lorelai --> Lori --> Wowi --> Wori --> Rory fooling
>around with several variations like that until stumbling on "Rory" by
>accident. Either that, or Lorelai had a thing for Rory Calhoun at
>some point.
>
>>Is Rory her middle name?
>
>No. Lorelai is Lorelai Victoria Gilmore. Rory is Lorelai Leigh
>Gilmore.
And, although it was never actually said, I strongly suspect that
great-grandmother Trix was Lorelai Patricia Gilmore (Trixie is an old
diminutive of Patricia).
>>I don't remember ever hearing that Rory was "short" for Lorelei.
>
>Any diminutive that can plausibly be derived from a "proper" name form
>(regardless of the Lorelais' nonconventional spelling of their name,
>which is L-O-R-E-L-A-I, not the usual L-O-R-E-L-E-I.) is a valid
>diminutive. That's part and parcel of the flexibility of the English
>language, IMO. It's not any less plausible a diminutive than "Bob"
>is for "Robert" -- (but FTR, I *hate* to be called Bob or Bobby.)
>
> -- Robbie Boy
You saved me the trouble of pointing out that 'diminutive' names aren't
'short for', they're more intimate than the formal name. They may or may
not be a shortened form of the formal name. They may not even be clearly
related to the formal name.
Several common diminutives that are significantly different from the
formal name go back into antiquity, Peg or Peggy for Margaret, Jack for
John, Hal for Henry (all three of those were actually used by
Shakespeare, but were not invented by him), Bess for Elizabeth, Bob for
Robert, Bill for William, and so on.
Sometimes diminutives come from something outside the name. Bubba and
Sissy are very common diminutives that come from a younger sibling's
mispronunciation. I have a nephew who, to this day (and he is now in his
20s) is known as BJ. The derivation is that he is named John after his
father (my brother) and we always called him 'Baby John' when he was
growing up. By the time he started school, it got shortened to BJ cause,
well, how would you like to go through school with your 6 brothers
calling you 'Baby John' in public?
And nobody who knows me calls me Bill or Billy (of course, nobody who
knows me calls me William either, they call me George).
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>> > Anyone know why the "short" form for James is Jim? And why it's Dick
> for
>> > Richard? Those have always bothered me...doesn't make sense!
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Or "Peggy" from "Margaret"?!
>
> Peggy from Margaret? First time I've ever heard that one. I've always
> assumed Maggie or Margie were diminutive forms of Margaret.
English custom of creating rhyming versions of friends' or family members'
names, such as turning "William" into "Willy-Billy" or Robert into
"Robby-Bobby." Remember the old nursery rhyme about "Georgie Porgie?"
I suppose "Margaret" could have become "Margie-Pargie" and at some point
have given rise to "Meggy-Peggy."
There are lots of different nicknames for Margaret, include Peggy and the ones you mentioned. Here's a list that includes some of stranger ones:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_268.html
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T.J.
> "Rory" from
> > that?
> [snip]
>
> And why the odd spelling? Isn't the name pronounced "Roy" (as in
> Roy Rogers) or have I been miss hearing it all these seasons?
You've been mishearing it all these seasons. "Roar (like a lion) - ree"
Gabby
"Schelry(at)noemail(dot)invalid" <Sch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> probably because "short" isn't what "Charlie" is. It's a nickname.
> Nicknames may or may not be derived from an actual given name, and may
> or may not be shortened versions of that name. E.g., Charles into
> Charlie indicates youth, cutefulness.
Those "ie" endings can start to grate as the years go by. My husband is
Mike to everyone around here. When we return to his hometown he reverts to
"Mikey". It may have been cute when he was 5, but now he's 56 and it just
sounds silly.
Gabby
Gabby
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> Child mispronunciations of names that result in a nickname are
> apparently popular in my family,
I was 6 when my brother couldn't pronounce my name. Although his
mispronunciation didn't stick and I grew up without a nickname, one cousin
will still occasionally refer to me by the name my brother called me 45
years ago. I managed to get through 46 years without a nickname but lost
the fight 5 years ago -- although my nickname is still only used by some
members of my drama club. Otherwise I'm nickname free -- unless you count
'bitch' as a nickname. ;o)
Gabby
Michael C.
Gabby <Lavol...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Those "ie" endings can start to grate as the years go by. My husband is
> Mike to everyone around here. When we return to his hometown he reverts to
> "Mikey". It may have been cute when he was 5, but now he's 56 and it just
> sounds silly.
I sympathize with him. Mike, Michael, "Pain in the ass", and
"Hey you" are all preferable to Mikey. Mikey is only used by my
sister and cousin, both of whom I regret informing that I loath
that nickname.
Michael C.
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> On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:00:20 -0300,
> Gabby <Lavol...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Those "ie" endings can start to grate as the years go by. My husband is
>> Mike to everyone around here. When we return to his hometown he reverts
>> to
>> "Mikey". It may have been cute when he was 5, but now he's 56 and it
>> just
>> sounds silly.
>
> I sympathize with him. Mike, Michael, "Pain in the ass", and
> "Hey you" are all preferable to Mikey. Mikey is only used by my
> sister and cousin, both of whom I regret informing that I loath
> that nickname.
>
> Michael C.
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I agree. I'm David and it galls me to no end when someone calls
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And DON'T EVEN get me started on 'Davey' !! (I cringe every time I hear
that name said on GG)
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Gabby
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> "Michael C." <mcsu...@usol.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:00:20 -0300,
>> Gabby <Lavol...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Those "ie" endings can start to grate as the years go by. My husband
>>> is
>>> Mike to everyone around here. When we return to his hometown he
>>> reverts to
>>> "Mikey". It may have been cute when he was 5, but now he's 56 and it
>>> just
>>> sounds silly.
>>
>> I sympathize with him. Mike, Michael, "Pain in the ass", and
>> "Hey you" are all preferable to Mikey. Mikey is only used by my
>> sister and cousin, both of whom I regret informing that I loath
>> that nickname.
>>
>> Michael C.
>> --
>
> I agree. I'm David and it galls me to no end when someone calls
> me 'Dave,' as if they have carte blanche to corrupt and bastardize my
> name. And DON'T EVEN get me started on 'Davey' !! (I cringe every time I
> hear that name said on GG)
Oh, come on. Just get yourself a dog and name him Goliath. ;o)
Gabby
Rob Jensen
>"David E. Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
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>
>> And why is Charlie short for Charles when they have the same
>> number
>> of letters?
>>
>
>Why is Brownie short for Brown? Ask our illustrious president.
It's not short in the sense of length, it's short in the sense of
diminutive -- as in, it's a nickname.
-- Rob
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> So, I guess they just cal her Rory, but that the name Rory is not
> actually short for Lorelei.
>
> When I mean "short" for something that would be like "Beth" being short
> for Elizabeth.
>
As an Elizabeth, "Betty" and "Betsy" originated as nicknames for Elizabeth. There are a myriad of nicknames for my name that aren't obviously derivative. It's not a complete stretch. Also Margret as a birth name & "Peg" as a nickname is another example.
David
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'William.'
Wayne Brown
see it now, but anyway...
On the show it was explained that "Rory" is the closest Rory could
come to saying "Lorelei" and it stuck. That's the same explanation
given in "Leave it to Beaver" as to why the main character's name
is Beaver Cleaver. When he was born his name was Theodore but his
brother Wally pronounced it "Beaver" and that one stuck too. For a
real-life example, the actress Marlo Thomas was actually named Margo
but when she was little "Marlo" was the only way she could say it.
As for nicknames like "Peg" for "Margaret," that came about from an
old custom among the English of making rhyming nicknames. "Margaret"
gave rise to "Meggy-Peggy" and eventually just "Peggy" and "Peg."
In the same way "Robert" became "Robby-Bobby" and then "Bobby" and
"Bob." "Richard" became "Ricky-Dicky" and so forth. There's a
survival of this custom in the nursery rhyme "Georgie Porgie."
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nicknames. "William" became "Willy-Billy" and then "Billy" just
as"Robert" became "Robby-Bobby" and then "Bobby."
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> Isn't Rory's real name Lorelei Gilmore? How did they get "Rory" from
> that?
>
>
David
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than it would be too confusing with two "Lorelais".
And BTW their full names are Lorelai Victoria Gilmore and Lorelai Leigh
Gilmore, chronological speaking.
Michael Ikeda
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think of a newly-verbal child trying to say "Lorelai".
Wayne Brown
and that becoming "Rory" eventually. I thought I remembered that
being mentioned on the show but I might be mistaken.
If she was ever called "Lorelai Leigh" as a child then I could see
her saying that as "Roar-uh-ree" which could become "Rory" even more
easily but I don't picture the elder Lorelai as the sort of mother
who'd call her child by two names.
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David
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"Rory" instead ... similar to Miley Cyrus not being able to say her
nickname of "smiley", so her version stuck.
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David
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I find it interesting that the Actor that played Richard Gilmore actually
has a kid with the name Rory. Not sure if that was part of the consideration
in naming the Character in the show
>
>
>
>
Yes, "Rory" is certainly short for Lorelai. Rory's legal name is Lorelai
Leigh Gilmore (which DOES sound like a stripper's name to paraphrase one of
the Chilton girls.;-) Lorelai Leigh is also the name of the Marilyn Monroe
character in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes."
Anyway, I suspect that they were calling Lorelai Jr. "Lori," but she
couldn't say it, and it came out "Rory." This is just my guess....
Or, it could all be intentional.
It was never explained.
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They shorten it and change one letter. I don't get why they do that but they are all contracted the same way Richard to Rick to Dick, William to will to bill and Robbert to Rob to Bob.
This also works for some female names eg.
Megan to Meg to Peg to Peggy #Hamilton
David
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tries to say Lorelai. Maybe Lor got it from Rory trying to say Lorelai.