Is Lauren Graham Jewish? Is everyone on this show Jewish? They appear to play jewish characters!!!
kabab
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"kabab" <kr...@cazin.com> wrote in message
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According to one site, Lauren is Catholic. And I'm pretty sure I read once
that Alexis went to a Catholic High School -- while that doesn't prove she's
Catholic, that, combined with her Hispanic heritage makes it a pretty good
bet.
The story line of the show indicates that Rory's "father" (or as I like to
call him, the sperm donor) was Jewish. So they often refer to her as being
half Jewish... which is a little like being slightly dead or mostly
pregnant, but it seems to be a recurring theme on the WB (see Everwood for a
similar line of thought).
And since most of the holiday shows so far have revolved more around such
holidays as Christmas, but not Chanukah, I have to assume that they're not
really supposed to be Jewish.
On the other hand, they do make a number of veiled references to certain
Jewish traditions, and now an then you'll hear an off-handed reference or a
Yiddish phrase used, so I can see why you'd think that. My guess is that at
least one of the writers or producers is Jewish, so he or she includes a bit
of that to add some variation to the dialog.
Steve B.
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NickKnight
>The story line of the show indicates that Rory's "father" (or as I like to
>call him, the sperm donor) was Jewish. So they often refer to her as being
>half Jewish... which is a little like being slightly dead or mostly
>pregnant, but it seems to be a recurring theme on the WB (see Everwood for a
>similar line of thought).
Please explain how being jewish is like being slightly dead
or mostly pregnant?
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"NickKnight" <NickKnight...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On "SBP2" <st...@newrainbowbridge.com> wrote:
>
> >The story line of the show indicates that Rory's "father" (or as I like
to
> >call him, the sperm donor) was Jewish. So they often refer to her as
being
> >half Jewish... which is a little like being slightly dead or mostly
> >pregnant, but it seems to be a recurring theme on the WB (see Everwood
for a
> >similar line of thought).
> Please explain how being jewish is like being slightly dead
> or mostly pregnant?
>
Read my response again: I said being HALF Jewish is like being slightly dead
or mostly pregnant... that is, none of those conditions can truly exist.
Judaism is a religion, not a race. Either your are or you ain't... there's
no halfway about it. You can be more observant or less, but being less
observant doesn't make you less Jewish.
Think of it this way: If one of your parents was Catholic and the other
Seven Day Adventist, would you be half and half? Maybe go to both churches
every week? Not likely. More likely, your parents would choose one religion
to raise you in, and later you'd end up choosing which religion was yours.
But you'd never say "I'm half Catholic and half Seven Day Adventist." At
least, I can't imagine that.
Steve B.
NickKnight
>Read my response again: I said being HALF Jewish is like being slightly dead
>or mostly pregnant... that is, none of those conditions can truly exist.
>
>Judaism is a religion, not a race. Either your are or you ain't... there's
>no halfway about it. You can be more observant or less, but being less
>observant doesn't make you less Jewish.
Your mother is jewish, your father is catholic. That makes
you half jewish.
But yeah you are eitther fully pregnant or not pregnant.
As far as being slightly dead.....you've never been to
a nursing home have you?
Emanuel Brown
<NickKnight...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Your mother is jewish, your father is catholic. That makes
>you half jewish.
Nick, where are you *getting* this? Seriously, what on earth makes
you think you know what you're talking about? I'd like to know before
I start discussing this with you, because your apparent cluelessness
is daunting. I mean, do you know any Jewish people, have you discussed
this with them? What's the source of this sort of answer?
Emanuel
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> On "SBP2" <st...@newrainbowbridge.com> wrote:
>
> >Read my response again: I said being HALF Jewish is like being slightly
dead
> >or mostly pregnant... that is, none of those conditions can truly exist.
> >
> >Judaism is a religion, not a race. Either your are or you ain't...
there's
> >no halfway about it. You can be more observant or less, but being less
> >observant doesn't make you less Jewish.
> Your mother is jewish, your father is catholic. That makes
> you half jewish.
>
No, you're not. According to Jewish law, a person born to a Jewish mother is
Jewish, unless that person publicly denies or separates him or herself from
the religion. A person born to just a Jewish father isn't Jewish; although,
if the child is raised Jewish, many communities these days will accept him
or her as being Jewish.
But there's still no such thing as being half Jewish. What exactly would
that be? A person who believes in Jesus, but only that he was a nice Jewish
boy who went into his father's business? Would that person you used for an
example also be half Catholic? And how would that differ from being all
Catholic?
And what about a person who converts to Judaism? Would he or she be less
Jewish than someone born to the religion? Actually, most of the people I
know who've converted are more observant than many of the people who were
born to it.
Judaism isn't the same as a nationality. My nationality is American. My
family heritage is primarily Russian: three of my four grandparents
emigrated from Russia in the early part of the last century. So one might
consider me to be 3/4 Russian-American. But I am Jewish, regardless of where
my family originated.
Judaism is a religion. Either you are Jewish or you're not. You can accept
that or not, at your discretion. But it's not an opinion; it's fact.
Steve B.
NickKnight
>On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:23:42 -0400, NickKnight
><NickKnight...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Your mother is jewish, your father is catholic. That makes
>>you half jewish.
>
> Nick, where are you *getting* this?
From being raised Jewish.
>Seriously, what on earth makes
>you think you know what you're talking about?
See above.
I'd like to know before
>I start discussing this with you, because your apparent cluelessness
>is daunting. I mean, do you know any Jewish people, have you discussed
>this with them? What's the source of this sort of answer?
As a matter of fact i do know some jewish people.
(Including myself).
NickKnight
>No, you're not. According to Jewish law, a person born to a Jewish mother is
>Jewish, unless that person publicly denies or separates him or herself from
>the religion. A person born to just a Jewish father isn't Jewish; although,
>if the child is raised Jewish, many communities these days will accept him
>or her as being Jewish.
When you are Jewish the religion is passed down through the
mother.
>And what about a person who converts to Judaism? Would he or she be less
>Jewish than someone born to the religion? Actually, most of the people I
>know who've converted are more observant than many of the people who were
>born to it.
Depends on how devout they are. There is much disagreement
about this in the jewish community.
Emanuel Brown
<NickKnight...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>As a matter of fact i do know some jewish people.
>(Including myself).
This post makes me so sad.
TR
wrote:
>
> The story line of the show indicates that Rory's "father" (or as I like
> to
> call him, the sperm donor) was Jewish.
Where exactly is this indicated?
I hadn't picked this up until you said it. I assumed the Jewish references
in the show had something to do with the Sherman/Palladino input as well as
a general infusion of Jewish culture into mainstream American tv/film (at
least it seems this way to me sitting in Australia, particularly due to the
strong jewish input in Hollywood)
Being Jewish, i'm interested in this new take on the gilmore's ethnic
connections. I love the jewish references on gg (I think I cackled
incessantly over the kosher bacon in a previous episode, before I tried to
see if you could get some here in oz)
Cheers,
T
TR
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:00:11 -0400, NickKnight
> <NickKnight...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> As a matter of fact i do know some jewish people.
>> (Including myself).
>
> This post makes me so sad.
> Emanuel
It seems to me that there is an increasing tendency to term someone "half-
jewish" if they are born of a mixed-religion marriage. See Ephram Brown on
everwood as case in point - although his mother is Jewish and father is
Atheist, the kids regard themselves as "half Jewish".
Previous posts have explained why this isn't the case, I won't do this
here. I personally don't have a problem if someone wants to consider
themselves half jewish. I just know that unless you belong to a rather
liberal synagogue, you won't be fortunate enough to have clergy agree with
you.
Cheers,
T
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TR
<NickKnight...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And what about a person who converts to Judaism? Would he or she be less
>> Jewish than someone born to the religion? Actually, most of the people I
>> know who've converted are more observant than many of the people who
>> were
>> born to it.
> Depends on how devout they are. There is much disagreement
> about this in the jewish community.
>
That's a load of hogwash. Depending on the type of conversion (orthodox or
liberal/conservative/reform) and consequently which stream of judaism the
person decides to belong to, a convert will be considered just as jewish
(if not more). But generally, a jewish convert is a jew. End of story. A
liberal convert won't be accepted in an orthodox synagogue, no. But they
can consider themselves jewish and attend liberal services without a
problem.
I know many jewish converts. They always seem more devout than those of us
that take being born into the religion for granted.
By the way Nick, your Jewish knowledge seems a little bit hazy. Perhaps
it's time to return to Cheder and brush up a bit? At least get your facts a
bit more straight before you try to "clarify" things.
Cheers,
T.
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"TR" <cru...@nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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In one of the early episodes, in a conversation between Lorelai and Rory,
Lorelai mentions something about Christopher being Jewish, so Rory was
"half-Jewish." Unfortunately, my memory isn't nearly good enough to give you
the exact episode and time. I just remember the conversation, partly, I'm
sure, because I always find the term "half-Jewish" so incongruous.
As far as the Kosher bacon goes, it isn't new: When I was a kid, my mother
used to make something called Beef-Fry, which looked and, if I remember
correctly, tasted like real bacon. And that had to be over 40 years ago.
It's probably not available in Australia, because of the limited market it'd
have -- I don't think there are many Jews in Australia, and even fewer
observant ones.
Steve B.
Jule
> On Emanuel Brown <epbr...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:23:42 -0400, NickKnight
> ><NickKnight...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>Your mother is jewish, your father is catholic. That makes
> >>you half jewish.
> >
> > Nick, where are you *getting* this?
> From being raised Jewish.
>
> >Seriously, what on earth makes
> >you think you know what you're talking about?
> See above.
>
> I'd like to know before
> >I start discussing this with you, because your apparent cluelessness
> >is daunting. I mean, do you know any Jewish people, have you discussed
> >this with them? What's the source of this sort of answer?
> As a matter of fact i do know some jewish people.
> (Including myself).
Yeah, it's kind of obvious that you are Jewish, judging from your
first post. And I don't mean anything by that other than you seemed
to take offense. Being half Jewish and half Catholic--does that have
a term, by the way? I've heard the term Mooshoo (not spelled right)
for half Methodist half Jewish.
Jule
> On "SBP2" <st...@newrainbowbridge.com> wrote:
>
> >No, you're not. According to Jewish law, a person born to a Jewish mother is
> >Jewish, unless that person publicly denies or separates him or herself from
> >the religion. A person born to just a Jewish father isn't Jewish; although,
> >if the child is raised Jewish, many communities these days will accept him
> >or her as being Jewish.
> When you are Jewish the religion is passed down through the
> mother.
>
>
> >And what about a person who converts to Judaism? Would he or she be less
> >Jewish than someone born to the religion? Actually, most of the people I
> >know who've converted are more observant than many of the people who were
> >born to it.
> Depends on how devout they are. There is much disagreement
> about this in the jewish community.
...While the rest of us just live our lives.
NickKnight
>That's a load of hogwash. Depending on the type of conversion (orthodox or
>liberal/conservative/reform) and consequently which stream of judaism the
>person decides to belong to, a convert will be considered just as jewish
>(if not more). But generally, a jewish convert is a jew. End of story. A
>liberal convert won't be accepted in an orthodox synagogue, no. But they
>can consider themselves jewish and attend liberal services without a
>problem.
You've never been to an orthodox temple have you?
I've been to some temples where you had to have
two jewish parents to be considered jewish.
And there are those who believe you have to be born
jewish.....
>I know many jewish converts. They always seem more devout than those of us
>that take being born into the religion for granted.
And i've met people who refused to accept converts. You had
to be born jewish.
TR
<NickKnight...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You've never been to an orthodox temple have you?
orthodox don't use the term temple. Not here, at least. I belong to an
orthodox synagogue.
TR
wrote:
> I don't think there are many Jews in Australia, and even fewer
> observant ones.
Comparatively, this is correct. There are upwards of about 100,000 , mainly
concentrated around Sydney and Melbourne with smaller communities in Perth
and Queensland.
Most of our kosher products are imported, save for the odd dairy
producers/butchers, who for some reason haven't found a market for kosher
bacon. Not to mention that Australia's strong restrictions on importing
goods make importing such a thing impossible.
Cheers,
T
Warren Bloom
>>> Read my response again: I said being HALF Jewish is like being
>>> slightly dead or mostly pregnant... that is, none of those
>>> conditions can truly exist.
>>
>> Judaism is a religion, not a race. Either your are or you ain't...
>> there's no halfway about it. You can be more observant or less, but
>> being less observant doesn't make you less Jewish. Your mother is
>> jewish, your father is catholic. That makes you half jewish.
>
> No, you're not. According to Jewish law, a person born to a Jewish
> mother is Jewish, unless that person publicly denies or separates
> him or herself from the religion. A person born to just a Jewish
> father isn't Jewish; although, if the child is raised Jewish, many
> communities these days will accept him or her as being Jewish.
>
> And what about a person who converts to Judaism? Would he or she be
> less Jewish than someone born to the religion? Actually, most of the
> people I know who've converted are more observant than many of the
> people who were born to it.
>
> Judaism isn't the same as a nationality. My nationality is American.
> My family heritage is primarily Russian: three of my four
> grandparents emigrated from Russia in the early part of the last
> century. So one might consider me to be 3/4 Russian-American. But I
> am Jewish, regardless of where my family originated.
>
> Judaism is a religion. Either you are Jewish or you're not. You can accept
> that or not, at your discretion. But it's not an opinion; it's fact.
Y'all are _totally_ missing the point: the fact is that "Jewish" in this
context is simply shorthand for "acts like Eastern-European Jewish", i.e.
the stereotypical Borscht-Belt Jackie-Mason oy-vey kind of "Jewish" humor
and mannerisms, which is (for all intents and purposes) _ethnic_, and not
directly related to religion (or nationality or race). There are plenty of
Sephardic (Spanish and Middle-Eastern) Jews-by-religion whose stereotypical
mannerisms and appearance would confuse the hell out of the masses who,
thanks to TV, think that all Jews are pale-skinned, short and talk with a
lilt (which we don't all do anyway, of course).
-- wb
SandieSG
The Jewish people are an ethnic group, just like Italians or Irish
people. We just don't happen to all live in one country but we are all
related and are ultimately descended from one people who originated in
the area of what is (probably) now Iraq and who moved to what is now
the general area of Israel thousands of years ago. DNA and blood type
research done in Israel has determined this and it's been thought by
many for many years before that. This is not to say that we haven't
mixed with other people along the way of our Diaspora, but we are an
ethnic group with languages specific to us, such as Hebrew, Yiddish
and the Sephardic language, called Ladino and a culture, that while
differing from country to country, still has many points in common.
The religion of Judiasm, (more a lifeway than a religion in many
cases), began developing while the Jewish people lived in what is
today Isreal and then took on the form most of it know today in Europe
and the parts of the mideast. It's still evolving, but I would say
it's the religion of the Jewish people and the peoplehood, with all
that implies in terms of culture, thought, language and ancestry, is
what is passed down from "mother to child." Some branches of Judiasm,
(and not all congregations within these branches) accept children of a
non-Jewish mother, (even one who has not converted) as Jewish if they
are rasied Jewish and practice some form of the religion, even in a
cultural sense. I think anyone who wants to be considered Jewish
should be, regardless of who the Jewish parent is or was. The Nazi's
didn't stop to ask who was the Jewish parent so why should we.
As to the acceptance of converts, my husband converted to Judiasm and
is considered Jewish in every synagogue we've ever belonged to.
Granted, they were Reform and Reconstructionist.
I had no idea that Rory was supposed to be half-Jewish. Her father's
name is Christopher and I didn't think many Jewish boys were named
that but I could be wrong. I think Amy Sherman-Palladino is Jewish,
married to a someone of Italian descent, (that's my background), so
it's no suprise that she would put Jewish references into the show.
S.