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Kaitlin
Jan 29, 2024, 4:34:14 PM1/29/24
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Finally caught up (except for today's ep). A few comments....
My guess is that Toronto was a decoy and that Esme is probably still in
PC. Did Dante and Chase even check to see if she'd used her passport to
cross into Canada? She can also be tracked through her passport if they
suspect she's gone overseas. I suppose they could just ignore the
passport issue like they did with Ace. Ace would need a passport to
travel overseas and could be tracked each time it was presented at
border entry points. But no one seems to have thought to trace Ace's
passport. Seems to me they'll probably just ignore the passport thing
because why would Esme have ever bothered to apply for a passport for
Ace? But if for some reason she had, would she have really kept it in
his diaper bag? That's the only thing Nik took other than the baby.
Pesky little, irksome details.
Kristina's pregnancy keeps being referred to as an implantation, but if
her eggs were used, wasn't it a fertilization? I don't know how these
things work, but certainly her eggs wouldn't have been removed,
fertilized, then implanted, would they? If so, taking the eggs out to
fertilize them seems to be an unnecessary risk.
I don't know how things are done in NY state, but just about anywhere
else Finn would not have testified at trial. Anything Diane might have
wanted to ask him would be covered when he was deposed. I thought that's
what all Martin's coaching was for, the deposition, but no! It was for
trial testimony, live, in front of a jury! What else could be expected
of someone who carries a briefcase everywhere but never opens it?
Speaking of lawyers, Robert and Diane had an argument about...nothing.
In the middle of a restaurant. Standing up. And none of the other diners
seemed to notice. I didn't like that argument about nothing. I didn't
like that I found myself siding with Robert and thinking that Diane was
acting like a total jerk. What was the point of it, anyway? Robert's
probably closing in fast on 80--if they don't stop making the two of
them out as if they have all the time in the world to develop a
relationship, the guy will be moldering bones in a grave before they get
things sorted. Just saying.
--
K
My guess is that Toronto was a decoy and that Esme is probably still in
PC. Did Dante and Chase even check to see if she'd used her passport to
cross into Canada? She can also be tracked through her passport if they
suspect she's gone overseas. I suppose they could just ignore the
passport issue like they did with Ace. Ace would need a passport to
travel overseas and could be tracked each time it was presented at
border entry points. But no one seems to have thought to trace Ace's
passport. Seems to me they'll probably just ignore the passport thing
because why would Esme have ever bothered to apply for a passport for
Ace? But if for some reason she had, would she have really kept it in
his diaper bag? That's the only thing Nik took other than the baby.
Pesky little, irksome details.
Kristina's pregnancy keeps being referred to as an implantation, but if
her eggs were used, wasn't it a fertilization? I don't know how these
things work, but certainly her eggs wouldn't have been removed,
fertilized, then implanted, would they? If so, taking the eggs out to
fertilize them seems to be an unnecessary risk.
I don't know how things are done in NY state, but just about anywhere
else Finn would not have testified at trial. Anything Diane might have
wanted to ask him would be covered when he was deposed. I thought that's
what all Martin's coaching was for, the deposition, but no! It was for
trial testimony, live, in front of a jury! What else could be expected
of someone who carries a briefcase everywhere but never opens it?
Speaking of lawyers, Robert and Diane had an argument about...nothing.
In the middle of a restaurant. Standing up. And none of the other diners
seemed to notice. I didn't like that argument about nothing. I didn't
like that I found myself siding with Robert and thinking that Diane was
acting like a total jerk. What was the point of it, anyway? Robert's
probably closing in fast on 80--if they don't stop making the two of
them out as if they have all the time in the world to develop a
relationship, the guy will be moldering bones in a grave before they get
things sorted. Just saying.
--
K
SteveR
Jan 30, 2024, 11:04:24 AM1/30/24
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On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 4:34:14 PM UTC-5, Kaitlin wrote:
> Finally caught up (except for today's ep). A few comments....
>
> My guess is that Toronto was a decoy and that Esme is probably still in
> PC. Did Dante and Chase even check to see if she'd used her passport to
> cross into Canada? She can also be tracked through her passport if they
> suspect she's gone overseas. I suppose they could just ignore the
> passport issue like they did with Ace. Ace would need a passport to
> travel overseas and could be tracked each time it was presented at
> border entry points. But no one seems to have thought to trace Ace's
> passport. Seems to me they'll probably just ignore the passport thing
> because why would Esme have ever bothered to apply for a passport for
> Ace? But if for some reason she had, would she have really kept it in
> his diaper bag? That's the only thing Nik took other than the baby.
> Pesky little, irksome details.
My take on the passport issue for Nikolas is that Ace does not need one any more than Nik seems to. I figure that Nikolas, like any good Cassadine, always keeps several passports under false identities so he can freely travel the world without being traced. He had planned to take Ace away with him when he went to Port Charles, so it's likely he had a fake identity all prepared for Ace before arriving.
> Finally caught up (except for today's ep). A few comments....
>
> My guess is that Toronto was a decoy and that Esme is probably still in
> PC. Did Dante and Chase even check to see if she'd used her passport to
> cross into Canada? She can also be tracked through her passport if they
> suspect she's gone overseas. I suppose they could just ignore the
> passport issue like they did with Ace. Ace would need a passport to
> travel overseas and could be tracked each time it was presented at
> border entry points. But no one seems to have thought to trace Ace's
> passport. Seems to me they'll probably just ignore the passport thing
> because why would Esme have ever bothered to apply for a passport for
> Ace? But if for some reason she had, would she have really kept it in
> his diaper bag? That's the only thing Nik took other than the baby.
> Pesky little, irksome details.
As for Esme's passport, she would not need one just to go to Canada. An enhanced license would do, but I'm guessing police agencies would still be able to track that as well. My suspicion is she is neither in Canada nor Port Charles, but will instead turn up in Paris to stalk Spencer and Trina. Esme did say revenge was her main goal now, if she can't find Ace. How she managed to get to Paris will probably never be explained.
>
> Kristina's pregnancy keeps being referred to as an implantation, but if
> her eggs were used, wasn't it a fertilization? I don't know how these
> things work, but certainly her eggs wouldn't have been removed,
> fertilized, then implanted, would they? If so, taking the eggs out to
> fertilize them seems to be an unnecessary risk.
>
> I don't know how things are done in NY state, but just about anywhere
> else Finn would not have testified at trial. Anything Diane might have
> wanted to ask him would be covered when he was deposed. I thought that's
> what all Martin's coaching was for, the deposition, but no! It was for
> trial testimony, live, in front of a jury! What else could be expected
> of someone who carries a briefcase everywhere but never opens it?
It does not seem unlikely to me that the accused doctor would testify at trial to defend and explain him or herself. The depositions are usually only for trial preparation and would only be admissible at trial if a witness becomes unavailable through death or illness or the like, in the real New York State anyway.
> Kristina's pregnancy keeps being referred to as an implantation, but if
> her eggs were used, wasn't it a fertilization? I don't know how these
> things work, but certainly her eggs wouldn't have been removed,
> fertilized, then implanted, would they? If so, taking the eggs out to
> fertilize them seems to be an unnecessary risk.
>
> I don't know how things are done in NY state, but just about anywhere
> else Finn would not have testified at trial. Anything Diane might have
> wanted to ask him would be covered when he was deposed. I thought that's
> what all Martin's coaching was for, the deposition, but no! It was for
> trial testimony, live, in front of a jury! What else could be expected
> of someone who carries a briefcase everywhere but never opens it?
>
> Speaking of lawyers, Robert and Diane had an argument about...nothing.
> In the middle of a restaurant. Standing up. And none of the other diners
> seemed to notice. I didn't like that argument about nothing. I didn't
> like that I found myself siding with Robert and thinking that Diane was
> acting like a total jerk. What was the point of it, anyway? Robert's
> probably closing in fast on 80--if they don't stop making the two of
> them out as if they have all the time in the world to develop a
> relationship, the guy will be moldering bones in a grave before they get
> things sorted. Just saying.
It did seem the writers were trying to contrive an argument without a lot of substance. The sexual tension between them has been way too drawn out even for Port Charles, for me at least. Get on with it or drop it, please.
> Speaking of lawyers, Robert and Diane had an argument about...nothing.
> In the middle of a restaurant. Standing up. And none of the other diners
> seemed to notice. I didn't like that argument about nothing. I didn't
> like that I found myself siding with Robert and thinking that Diane was
> acting like a total jerk. What was the point of it, anyway? Robert's
> probably closing in fast on 80--if they don't stop making the two of
> them out as if they have all the time in the world to develop a
> relationship, the guy will be moldering bones in a grave before they get
> things sorted. Just saying.
SteveR
Kaitlin
Jan 31, 2024, 12:35:36 AM1/31/24
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SteveR wrote in
<c07134ea-dd8d-4f0f...@googlegroups.com>:
> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 4:34:14?PM UTC-5, Kaitlin wrote:
>> Finally caught up (except for today's ep). A few comments....
>>
>> My guess is that Toronto was a decoy and that Esme is probably still in
>> PC. Did Dante and Chase even check to see if she'd used her passport to
>> cross into Canada? She can also be tracked through her passport if they
>> suspect she's gone overseas. I suppose they could just ignore the
>> passport issue like they did with Ace. Ace would need a passport to
>> travel overseas and could be tracked each time it was presented at
>> border entry points. But no one seems to have thought to trace Ace's
>> passport. Seems to me they'll probably just ignore the passport thing
>> because why would Esme have ever bothered to apply for a passport for
>> Ace? But if for some reason she had, would she have really kept it in
>> his diaper bag? That's the only thing Nik took other than the baby.
>> Pesky little, irksome details.
>
> My take on the passport issue for Nikolas is that Ace does not need one
> any more than Nik seems to. I figure that Nikolas, like any good
> Cassadine, always keeps several passports under false identities so he
> can freely travel the world without being traced. He had planned to take
> Ace away with him when he went to Port Charles, so it's likely he had a
> fake identity all prepared for Ace before arriving.
I hadn't thought of that. Works for me! :)
> As for Esme's passport, she would not need one just to go to Canada. An
> enhanced license would do, but I'm guessing police agencies would still
> be able to track that as well.
I've always just used my passport, but you're right, a passport card is
as valid as a passport to cross into Canada. And yes, those are both
traceable by the feds. Oddly enough, Dante didn't track Esme to Paris
from her passport or passport card or whatever she used, but instead saw
her on video boarding a plane bound for Paris. Wow, what are the chances
of that happening? And so quickly! Of course only PC's finest would
search video feeds from airports looking for a needle in a haystack
instead of just having the feds flag her passport. D'oh.
> My suspicion is she is neither in Canada nor Port Charles, but will
> instead turn up in Paris to stalk Spencer and Trina. Esme did say
> revenge was her main goal now, if she can't find Ace. How she managed
> to get to Paris will probably never be explained.
And as it turns out, you are right! The bigger mystery is how she
managed to track Spencer and Trina to a restaurant. It would have been
nothing short of a miracle even if she had tracked them to their hotel
where their names are in a registry. But to the restaurant where they
were having dinner? What did she do, speed dial every swanky eatery in
the city to ask if a young, mixed race couple with bad French accents
was having dinner there? C'est fou!
I'd also like to know how and where she came by that supposedly nasty
business in that syringe, and how she managed to smuggle it onto a plane
in a carry-on bag, let alone be allowed through customs with such a
thing.
>>
<snip>
into the record wholly or in part if one side or other requests it and
the judge agrees it's relevant. But there was no mention of a depo or
for that matter of pre-trial hearings. They just went directly to trial
where no evidence of malpractice was presented, just a bunch of
conjecture and speculation.
They set Finn up to make the plaintiff's case for her, and when all
looked lost, in came Sam with info to save the day--info that Martin
should have hired an investigator to dig up before the case ever made it
to trial, and that he and Finn were obligated by law to share with Diane
and her client regardless of when it came to light. If it had been
turned over, Diane would have advised her client to withdraw the suit.
So all of that hand-wringing Finn did when Martin told him very
dramatically that he had a choice between sending Mrs Muldoon to prison
or losing his medical license was unnecessary and silly. So was Tracy's
sketchy backroom payoff. Sorry for the rant. It's just that they made
such a thing of this lawsuit for so long, to have it end in such a dumb
way is irritating. :(
--
K
<c07134ea-dd8d-4f0f...@googlegroups.com>:
> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 4:34:14?PM UTC-5, Kaitlin wrote:
>> Finally caught up (except for today's ep). A few comments....
>>
>> My guess is that Toronto was a decoy and that Esme is probably still in
>> PC. Did Dante and Chase even check to see if she'd used her passport to
>> cross into Canada? She can also be tracked through her passport if they
>> suspect she's gone overseas. I suppose they could just ignore the
>> passport issue like they did with Ace. Ace would need a passport to
>> travel overseas and could be tracked each time it was presented at
>> border entry points. But no one seems to have thought to trace Ace's
>> passport. Seems to me they'll probably just ignore the passport thing
>> because why would Esme have ever bothered to apply for a passport for
>> Ace? But if for some reason she had, would she have really kept it in
>> his diaper bag? That's the only thing Nik took other than the baby.
>> Pesky little, irksome details.
>
> My take on the passport issue for Nikolas is that Ace does not need one
> any more than Nik seems to. I figure that Nikolas, like any good
> Cassadine, always keeps several passports under false identities so he
> can freely travel the world without being traced. He had planned to take
> Ace away with him when he went to Port Charles, so it's likely he had a
> fake identity all prepared for Ace before arriving.
> As for Esme's passport, she would not need one just to go to Canada. An
> enhanced license would do, but I'm guessing police agencies would still
> be able to track that as well.
as valid as a passport to cross into Canada. And yes, those are both
traceable by the feds. Oddly enough, Dante didn't track Esme to Paris
from her passport or passport card or whatever she used, but instead saw
her on video boarding a plane bound for Paris. Wow, what are the chances
of that happening? And so quickly! Of course only PC's finest would
search video feeds from airports looking for a needle in a haystack
instead of just having the feds flag her passport. D'oh.
> My suspicion is she is neither in Canada nor Port Charles, but will
> instead turn up in Paris to stalk Spencer and Trina. Esme did say
> revenge was her main goal now, if she can't find Ace. How she managed
> to get to Paris will probably never be explained.
managed to track Spencer and Trina to a restaurant. It would have been
nothing short of a miracle even if she had tracked them to their hotel
where their names are in a registry. But to the restaurant where they
were having dinner? What did she do, speed dial every swanky eatery in
the city to ask if a young, mixed race couple with bad French accents
was having dinner there? C'est fou!
I'd also like to know how and where she came by that supposedly nasty
business in that syringe, and how she managed to smuggle it onto a plane
in a carry-on bag, let alone be allowed through customs with such a
thing.
>>
<snip>
>
> It does not seem unlikely to me that the accused doctor would testify
> at trial to defend and explain him or herself. The depositions are
> usually only for trial preparation and would only be admissible at
> trial if a witness becomes unavailable through death or illness or the
> like, in the real New York State anyway.
In a lot of states as well as the fed system depositions can be entered
> It does not seem unlikely to me that the accused doctor would testify
> at trial to defend and explain him or herself. The depositions are
> usually only for trial preparation and would only be admissible at
> trial if a witness becomes unavailable through death or illness or the
> like, in the real New York State anyway.
into the record wholly or in part if one side or other requests it and
the judge agrees it's relevant. But there was no mention of a depo or
for that matter of pre-trial hearings. They just went directly to trial
where no evidence of malpractice was presented, just a bunch of
conjecture and speculation.
They set Finn up to make the plaintiff's case for her, and when all
looked lost, in came Sam with info to save the day--info that Martin
should have hired an investigator to dig up before the case ever made it
to trial, and that he and Finn were obligated by law to share with Diane
and her client regardless of when it came to light. If it had been
turned over, Diane would have advised her client to withdraw the suit.
So all of that hand-wringing Finn did when Martin told him very
dramatically that he had a choice between sending Mrs Muldoon to prison
or losing his medical license was unnecessary and silly. So was Tracy's
sketchy backroom payoff. Sorry for the rant. It's just that they made
such a thing of this lawsuit for so long, to have it end in such a dumb
way is irritating. :(
>>
>> Speaking of lawyers, Robert and Diane had an argument about...nothing.
>> In the middle of a restaurant. Standing up. And none of the other diners
>> seemed to notice. I didn't like that argument about nothing. I didn't
>> like that I found myself siding with Robert and thinking that Diane was
>> acting like a total jerk. What was the point of it, anyway? Robert's
>> probably closing in fast on 80--if they don't stop making the two of
>> them out as if they have all the time in the world to develop a
>> relationship, the guy will be moldering bones in a grave before they get
>> things sorted. Just saying.
>
> It did seem the writers were trying to contrive an argument without a lot
> of substance. The sexual tension between them has been way too drawn out
> even for Port Charles, for me at least. Get on with it or drop it, please.
Robert and Diane probably wish that, too. :D
>> Speaking of lawyers, Robert and Diane had an argument about...nothing.
>> In the middle of a restaurant. Standing up. And none of the other diners
>> seemed to notice. I didn't like that argument about nothing. I didn't
>> like that I found myself siding with Robert and thinking that Diane was
>> acting like a total jerk. What was the point of it, anyway? Robert's
>> probably closing in fast on 80--if they don't stop making the two of
>> them out as if they have all the time in the world to develop a
>> relationship, the guy will be moldering bones in a grave before they get
>> things sorted. Just saying.
>
> It did seem the writers were trying to contrive an argument without a lot
> of substance. The sexual tension between them has been way too drawn out
> even for Port Charles, for me at least. Get on with it or drop it, please.
--
K
SteveR
Jan 31, 2024, 8:36:59 PM1/31/24
to
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 12:35:36 AM UTC-5, Kaitlin wrote:
> SteveR wrote in
> <c07134ea-...@googlegrou>:
> I've always just used my passport, but you're right, a passport card is
> as valid as a passport to cross into Canada. And yes, those are both
> traceable by the feds. Oddly enough, Dante didn't track Esme to Paris
> from her passport or passport card or whatever she used, but instead saw
> her on video boarding a plane bound for Paris. Wow, what are the chances
> of that happening? And so quickly! Of course only PC's finest would
> search video feeds from airports looking for a needle in a haystack
> instead of just having the feds flag her passport. D'oh.
> > My suspicion is she is neither in Canada nor Port Charles, but will
> > instead turn up in Paris to stalk Spencer and Trina. Esme did say
> > revenge was her main goal now, if she can't find Ace. How she managed
> > to get to Paris will probably never be explained.
> And as it turns out, you are right! The bigger mystery is how she
> managed to track Spencer and Trina to a restaurant. It would have been
> nothing short of a miracle even if she had tracked them to their hotel
> where their names are in a registry. But to the restaurant where they
> were having dinner? What did she do, speed dial every swanky eatery in
> the city to ask if a young, mixed race couple with bad French accents
> was having dinner there? C'est fou!
I immediately thought that too. Paris is a huge city geographically, covering many square miles. Yet somehow Esme, who possesses no detective skills that we know of, immediately zooms in on the one restaurant Spencer takes Trina to. Even Trina did not know exactly where they were going. Of course, it was not unexpected. "Bad" acting characters on GH have supernatural abilities to show up when and where they choose, especially if they are stalking someone. Just as barriers such as locked doors, electronic security and even human guards will not stop them getting inside any place they wish, usually undetected.
And later, Esme is able to take down that crewmember with one swing of a conveniently handy fire extinguisher. And drags his limp body through a doorway without any help. I guess being a bit psychotic gives her impressive strength.
> >>
> <snip>
> >
<snip>
I would say Tracy's surreptitious dealing was classic Tracy. Throw money to get someone to go away.
<snip>
SteveR
> SteveR wrote in
> <c07134ea-...@googlegrou>:
> > On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 4:34:14?PM UTC-5, Kaitlin wrote:
>
> >> Finally caught up (except for today's ep). A few comments....
> >>
<snip>
>
> >> Finally caught up (except for today's ep). A few comments....
> >>
> I've always just used my passport, but you're right, a passport card is
> as valid as a passport to cross into Canada. And yes, those are both
> traceable by the feds. Oddly enough, Dante didn't track Esme to Paris
> from her passport or passport card or whatever she used, but instead saw
> her on video boarding a plane bound for Paris. Wow, what are the chances
> of that happening? And so quickly! Of course only PC's finest would
> search video feeds from airports looking for a needle in a haystack
> instead of just having the feds flag her passport. D'oh.
> > My suspicion is she is neither in Canada nor Port Charles, but will
> > instead turn up in Paris to stalk Spencer and Trina. Esme did say
> > revenge was her main goal now, if she can't find Ace. How she managed
> > to get to Paris will probably never be explained.
> And as it turns out, you are right! The bigger mystery is how she
> managed to track Spencer and Trina to a restaurant. It would have been
> nothing short of a miracle even if she had tracked them to their hotel
> where their names are in a registry. But to the restaurant where they
> were having dinner? What did she do, speed dial every swanky eatery in
> the city to ask if a young, mixed race couple with bad French accents
> was having dinner there? C'est fou!
And later, Esme is able to take down that crewmember with one swing of a conveniently handy fire extinguisher. And drags his limp body through a doorway without any help. I guess being a bit psychotic gives her impressive strength.
>
> I'd also like to know how and where she came by that supposedly nasty
> business in that syringe, and how she managed to smuggle it onto a plane
> in a carry-on bag, let alone be allowed through customs with such a
> thing.
Esme did live in France while she attended school with Spencer if I remember correctly. So she could have gotten the syringe from one of her old contacts after landing in Paris. She had previously managed to acquire those drugs to use on Trina. That's another skill "bad" characters are really good at generally.
> I'd also like to know how and where she came by that supposedly nasty
> business in that syringe, and how she managed to smuggle it onto a plane
> in a carry-on bag, let alone be allowed through customs with such a
> thing.
> >>
> <snip>
> >
<snip>
>
> They set Finn up to make the plaintiff's case for her, and when all
> looked lost, in came Sam with info to save the day--info that Martin
> should have hired an investigator to dig up before the case ever made it
> to trial, and that he and Finn were obligated by law to share with Diane
> and her client regardless of when it came to light. If it had been
> turned over, Diane would have advised her client to withdraw the suit.
>
> So all of that hand-wringing Finn did when Martin told him very
> dramatically that he had a choice between sending Mrs Muldoon to prison
> or losing his medical license was unnecessary and silly. So was Tracy's
> sketchy backroom payoff. Sorry for the rant. It's just that they made
> such a thing of this lawsuit for so long, to have it end in such a dumb
> way is irritating. :(
Agreed. It was anticlimactic and melodramatic. Even if Mrs. Muldoon knew about her husband's scheme, which apparently she did not, she would not necessarily have gone to prison for that. And I doubt a doctor necessarily loses his or her license because of one malpractice verdict.
> They set Finn up to make the plaintiff's case for her, and when all
> looked lost, in came Sam with info to save the day--info that Martin
> should have hired an investigator to dig up before the case ever made it
> to trial, and that he and Finn were obligated by law to share with Diane
> and her client regardless of when it came to light. If it had been
> turned over, Diane would have advised her client to withdraw the suit.
>
> So all of that hand-wringing Finn did when Martin told him very
> dramatically that he had a choice between sending Mrs Muldoon to prison
> or losing his medical license was unnecessary and silly. So was Tracy's
> sketchy backroom payoff. Sorry for the rant. It's just that they made
> such a thing of this lawsuit for so long, to have it end in such a dumb
> way is irritating. :(
I would say Tracy's surreptitious dealing was classic Tracy. Throw money to get someone to go away.
<snip>
SteveR
Marika
Feb 3, 2024, 10:41:53 PM2/3/24
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I also assumed Nik had fake ID made for himself and Ace. The malpractice
lawsuit is so poorly written. And I was dismayed by Diane’s diva tirade.
Unbecoming.
How Esme found Spencer so fast was also puzzling to me. I explained it to
myself by assuming that she had access to contact info because Spencer
shared it with Laura.
I was also left wondering where she purchased the drug, hypodermics and zip
ties. Shades of Harmony.
Sure, eventually, she might have assembled her torture kit. But she showed
up awfully fast and ready to go.
She, like Heather the poisoner, seems to have an out of ordinary working
knowledge of drugs. We know she was not a pharmacy student. But she used
drugs on Trina, and then on cell phone salesman Oz. Now she is using some
obscure drug on the ship. She knows where to get them in the USA and in
foreign lands. Amazing
As for being captured on video.
I have not recently traveled to Europe, but did go to Canada only a few
months ago. It was a very different experience boarding than I had ever
undergone.
Rather than swiping the ticket at the gate, the way they do for domestic
flights…
They videotaped us individually before we boarded., together with IDs,
tickets, and etc. Later, to board, we did not need a ticket. You just
stood in front of the camera. Facial recognition technology.
I am guessing Esme was found on video so quickly because they used this or
similar process.
Kaitlin
Feb 4, 2024, 5:49:07 PM2/4/24
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SteveR wrote in
<76b5b55b-3f0e-45a3...@googlegroups.com>:
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 12:35:36?AM UTC-5, Kaitlin wrote:
>> SteveR wrote in
>> <c07134ea-dd8d-4f0f...@googlegroups.com>:
> Paris is a huge city geographically, covering many square miles. Yet
> somehow Esme, who possesses no detective skills that we know of,
> immediately zooms in on the one restaurant Spencer takes Trina to.
> Even Trina did not know exactly where they were going. Of course, it
> was not unexpected. "Bad" acting characters on GH have supernatural
> abilities to show up when and where they choose, especially if they
> are stalking someone. Just as barriers such as locked doors,
> electronic security and even human guards will not stop them getting
> inside any place they wish, usually undetected.
Yes. It's actually astonishing how people move about in PC's reality.
And it's not just the bad ones! All of them seem to be able to teleport
and bilocate at will. That sort of thing would be perfectly reasonable
if GH were a sci fi show, but it's not, and all that weird stuff is
distracting, at least for me. It takes me out of the story, which is
something good writers always look to avoid doing to their audience. The
thing is, it wouldn't be difficult to avoid it, but it would take a bit
more work than just sloppily throwing characters around the map like
they do. Sorry for the rant. :(
> And later, Esme is able to take down that crewmember with one swing of
> a conveniently handy fire extinguisher. And drags his limp body
> through a doorway without any help. I guess being a bit psychotic
> gives her impressive strength.
Yes. She comes by it naturally, tho. Her mother, also a total wackjob,
has exhibited preternatural strength in her violent exploits as well.
>> I'd also like to know how and where she came by that supposedly nasty
>> business in that syringe, and how she managed to smuggle it onto a plane
>> in a carry-on bag, let alone be allowed through customs with such a
>> thing.
>
> Esme did live in France while she attended school with Spencer if I
> remember correctly. So she could have gotten the syringe from one of
> her old contacts after landing in Paris. She had previously managed to
> acquire those drugs to use on Trina. That's another skill "bad"
> characters are really good at generally.
I imagined she got it from the same source as the stuff she'd drugged
Trina with prior to recording her revenge porn video. But that would
have required smuggling it into France, which IRL wouldn't have been
possible. If she acquired it after arriving in France, then she would
have done it at supernatural speed, considering how fast she was able to
track Spencer and Trina. Either way, it boggles.
>> So all of that hand-wringing Finn did when Martin told him very
>> dramatically that he had a choice between sending Mrs Muldoon to prison
>> or losing his medical license was unnecessary and silly. So was Tracy's
>> sketchy backroom payoff. Sorry for the rant. It's just that they made
>> such a thing of this lawsuit for so long, to have it end in such a dumb
>> way is irritating. :(
>
> Agreed. It was anticlimactic and melodramatic. Even if Mrs. Muldoon knew
> about her husband's scheme, which apparently she did not, she would not
> necessarily have gone to prison for that. And I doubt a doctor
> necessarily loses his or her license because of one malpractice verdict.
You're right, she wouldn't have gone to prison. Really, the worse that
could happen to her is for Finn to sue her for defamation. You're also
right that had Finn been found liable for Muldoon's death he wouldn't
have lost his license. But he would probably have a tough time
continuing to practice medicine. GH would have solid grounds to fire
him, and other hospitals would have good reason not to hire him. I guess
he could go into private practice, but even then, that malpractice
liability would be forever on his record.
> I would say Tracy's surreptitious dealing was classic Tracy. Throw money
> to get someone to go away.
Agreed. She's definitely her father's daughter!
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K
<76b5b55b-3f0e-45a3...@googlegroups.com>:
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 12:35:36?AM UTC-5, Kaitlin wrote:
>> SteveR wrote in
>> > On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 4:34:14?PM UTC-5, Kaitlin wrote:
<snip>
> Paris is a huge city geographically, covering many square miles. Yet
> somehow Esme, who possesses no detective skills that we know of,
> immediately zooms in on the one restaurant Spencer takes Trina to.
> Even Trina did not know exactly where they were going. Of course, it
> was not unexpected. "Bad" acting characters on GH have supernatural
> abilities to show up when and where they choose, especially if they
> are stalking someone. Just as barriers such as locked doors,
> electronic security and even human guards will not stop them getting
> inside any place they wish, usually undetected.
And it's not just the bad ones! All of them seem to be able to teleport
and bilocate at will. That sort of thing would be perfectly reasonable
if GH were a sci fi show, but it's not, and all that weird stuff is
distracting, at least for me. It takes me out of the story, which is
something good writers always look to avoid doing to their audience. The
thing is, it wouldn't be difficult to avoid it, but it would take a bit
more work than just sloppily throwing characters around the map like
they do. Sorry for the rant. :(
> And later, Esme is able to take down that crewmember with one swing of
> a conveniently handy fire extinguisher. And drags his limp body
> through a doorway without any help. I guess being a bit psychotic
> gives her impressive strength.
has exhibited preternatural strength in her violent exploits as well.
>> I'd also like to know how and where she came by that supposedly nasty
>> business in that syringe, and how she managed to smuggle it onto a plane
>> in a carry-on bag, let alone be allowed through customs with such a
>> thing.
>
> Esme did live in France while she attended school with Spencer if I
> remember correctly. So she could have gotten the syringe from one of
> her old contacts after landing in Paris. She had previously managed to
> acquire those drugs to use on Trina. That's another skill "bad"
> characters are really good at generally.
Trina with prior to recording her revenge porn video. But that would
have required smuggling it into France, which IRL wouldn't have been
possible. If she acquired it after arriving in France, then she would
have done it at supernatural speed, considering how fast she was able to
track Spencer and Trina. Either way, it boggles.
>> So all of that hand-wringing Finn did when Martin told him very
>> dramatically that he had a choice between sending Mrs Muldoon to prison
>> or losing his medical license was unnecessary and silly. So was Tracy's
>> sketchy backroom payoff. Sorry for the rant. It's just that they made
>> such a thing of this lawsuit for so long, to have it end in such a dumb
>> way is irritating. :(
>
> Agreed. It was anticlimactic and melodramatic. Even if Mrs. Muldoon knew
> about her husband's scheme, which apparently she did not, she would not
> necessarily have gone to prison for that. And I doubt a doctor
> necessarily loses his or her license because of one malpractice verdict.
could happen to her is for Finn to sue her for defamation. You're also
right that had Finn been found liable for Muldoon's death he wouldn't
have lost his license. But he would probably have a tough time
continuing to practice medicine. GH would have solid grounds to fire
him, and other hospitals would have good reason not to hire him. I guess
he could go into private practice, but even then, that malpractice
liability would be forever on his record.
> I would say Tracy's surreptitious dealing was classic Tracy. Throw money
> to get someone to go away.
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K
Kaitlin
Feb 4, 2024, 5:53:22 PM2/4/24
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Marika wrote in <2IDvN.379562$p%Mb.2...@fx15.iad>:
<snip>
> How Esme found Spencer so fast was also puzzling to me. I explained it to
> myself by assuming that she had access to contact info because Spencer
> shared it with Laura.
That would work if Laura had then shared it with *her*, but Laura
hadn't. I suppose she could have lifted the info from Laura's phone or
her purse or apartment, and of course we wouldn't have seen her do that
because once she'd decided on her evil plan, she moved so fast to
implement it that she was practically invisible to the naked eye. Thank
the gods this is a sci fi show, otherwise...oh, wait. :/
Kits to Go." And at bus stations, seaports and the PC airport are kiosks
selling basic merch from the roadside shops. There's a huge market for
stuff like that there. One could make a killing, silly pun intended.
> As for being captured on video.
>
> I have not recently traveled to Europe, but did go to Canada only a few
> months ago. It was a very different experience boarding than I had ever
> undergone.
>
> Rather than swiping the ticket at the gate, the way they do for domestic
> flights…
>
> They videotaped us individually before we boarded., together with IDs,
> tickets, and etc. Later, to board, we did not need a ticket. You just
> stood in front of the camera. Facial recognition technology.
>
> I am guessing Esme was found on video so quickly because they used this or
> similar process.
The fastest way to trace an international traveler is through their
passport. Video could confirm identity, such as when it's suspected that
the person using a certain passport is not the individual it was issued
to. Of course, Dante et al might have suspected that Esme was using a
stolen passport, but none of that was brought up, so we were left to
fill in not a blank, but a huge, gaping plot hole.
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K
<snip>
> How Esme found Spencer so fast was also puzzling to me. I explained it to
> myself by assuming that she had access to contact info because Spencer
> shared it with Laura.
hadn't. I suppose she could have lifted the info from Laura's phone or
her purse or apartment, and of course we wouldn't have seen her do that
because once she'd decided on her evil plan, she moved so fast to
implement it that she was practically invisible to the naked eye. Thank
the gods this is a sci fi show, otherwise...oh, wait. :/
>
>I was also left wondering where she purchased the drug, hypodermics and zip
>ties. Shades of Harmony.
>
>Sure, eventually, she might have assembled her torture kit. But she showed
>up awfully fast and ready to go.
Along every route leading into and out of PC are shops called "Crime
>I was also left wondering where she purchased the drug, hypodermics and zip
>ties. Shades of Harmony.
>
>Sure, eventually, she might have assembled her torture kit. But she showed
>up awfully fast and ready to go.
Kits to Go." And at bus stations, seaports and the PC airport are kiosks
selling basic merch from the roadside shops. There's a huge market for
stuff like that there. One could make a killing, silly pun intended.
>
> She, like Heather the poisoner, seems to have an out of ordinary working
> knowledge of drugs. We know she was not a pharmacy student. But she used
> drugs on Trina, and then on cell phone salesman Oz. Now she is using some
> obscure drug on the ship. She knows where to get them in the USA and in
> foreign lands. Amazing
It truly is.
> She, like Heather the poisoner, seems to have an out of ordinary working
> knowledge of drugs. We know she was not a pharmacy student. But she used
> drugs on Trina, and then on cell phone salesman Oz. Now she is using some
> obscure drug on the ship. She knows where to get them in the USA and in
> foreign lands. Amazing
> As for being captured on video.
>
> I have not recently traveled to Europe, but did go to Canada only a few
> months ago. It was a very different experience boarding than I had ever
> undergone.
>
> Rather than swiping the ticket at the gate, the way they do for domestic
> flights…
>
> They videotaped us individually before we boarded., together with IDs,
> tickets, and etc. Later, to board, we did not need a ticket. You just
> stood in front of the camera. Facial recognition technology.
>
> I am guessing Esme was found on video so quickly because they used this or
> similar process.
passport. Video could confirm identity, such as when it's suspected that
the person using a certain passport is not the individual it was issued
to. Of course, Dante et al might have suspected that Esme was using a
stolen passport, but none of that was brought up, so we were left to
fill in not a blank, but a huge, gaping plot hole.
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K
Kaitlin
Feb 5, 2024, 5:06:39 PM2/5/24
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am.n...@cox.not.invalid wrote in <upqn4e$a32t$1...@dont-email.me>:
Kaitlin wrote in <1s40sil75l5hvei98...@4ax.com>:
>> You're right, she wouldn't have gone to prison. Really, the worse that
>> could happen to her is for Finn to sue her for defamation. You're also
>> right that had Finn been found liable for Muldoon's death he wouldn't
>> have lost his license. But he would probably have a tough time
>> continuing to practice medicine. GH would have solid grounds to fire
>> him, and other hospitals would have good reason not to hire him. I
>> guess he could go into private practice, but even then, that
>> malpractice liability would be forever on his record.
>
> Also, as Finn himself said, his malpractice insurance premiums would
> increase by so much that he couldn't afford to continue to practice
> medicine.
There's that, too! I suppose it could be argued that if he had been
found liable for Muldoon's death he might as well give up medicine given
all the trouble trying to practice would cause him, so a medical license
would be useless.
>
> (I'm nearly 3 weeks behind so he said this only a few days ago for me.)
DVRs are probably what Einstein had in mind when he thought up that
theory.... :D
--
K
Kaitlin wrote in <1s40sil75l5hvei98...@4ax.com>:
>> You're right, she wouldn't have gone to prison. Really, the worse that
>> could happen to her is for Finn to sue her for defamation. You're also
>> right that had Finn been found liable for Muldoon's death he wouldn't
>> have lost his license. But he would probably have a tough time
>> continuing to practice medicine. GH would have solid grounds to fire
>> him, and other hospitals would have good reason not to hire him. I
>> guess he could go into private practice, but even then, that
>> malpractice liability would be forever on his record.
>
> increase by so much that he couldn't afford to continue to practice
> medicine.
There's that, too! I suppose it could be argued that if he had been
found liable for Muldoon's death he might as well give up medicine given
all the trouble trying to practice would cause him, so a medical license
would be useless.
>
> (I'm nearly 3 weeks behind so he said this only a few days ago for me.)
DVRs are probably what Einstein had in mind when he thought up that
theory.... :D
--
K
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