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Marika
Jan 3, 2024, 11:19:22 PM1/3/24
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Ok so i took Kaitlin’s advice and signed up for a trial of Agent. The speed
is good..
I do not have a pc nor do I plan to get one, so I am using newstap as a
reader. It is clunky and has some drawbacks. But we will see how it goes.
It took me a bit to catch up but i am here and up to date.
If you have seen today’s episode, you know
…Huss is back as Nik but denies killing Austin and denies sending Ava those
guns. She looked very nice today. I do not believe they stand any chance
of starting anew. Plus, he has to be tried for imprisoning Esme.
…Nina was finally outed. This scene was bizarre. Sonny sends Nina over to
Carly’s to apologize. It is the dead of night. And Carly is grieving.
This is sure to be uncomfortable.
Questions remain. Will Sonny ever find out that Mikey hired Dex to turn him
in? Will it be Brick who breaks the news to Sonny that Michael is
dangerous. And who did Mikey conspire with at the SEC. The leaker and
Mikey are probably guilty of another crime. That Mikey will get away with.
Finally
Steve Burton just exited DOOL. There are whispers of a GH return.
Personally, I hope he does not return.
Marika
Jan 4, 2024, 6:12:25 PM1/4/24
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Drew and Carly talking about his experience in Pentonville, and how it
hardened him.
Some said the scenes were characterized by poor direction.
Not sure if it was poor direction or some sort of weak symbolism.
When Drew and Carly were talking, they were in the kitchen near the window.
When Drew was talking about how Pentonville hardened him, the shots were
taken from outdoors, thru the window, with some sort of low rumbling noise.
The scenes were weird at least in part because he had been locked up and
presumably tortured when imprisoned by Victor and Peter. Why, after going
thru so much, would Pentonville be a turning point for him?
Are they trying to let the twin personalities come out?
And by the same token, in a previous month, when Charlotte and Kevin were
talking, they had a shot of him looking completely deranged like Ryan.
I cannot help wondering if the Twin story is about to pop for them, and
Anna also
SteveR
Jan 7, 2024, 11:43:51 AM1/7/24
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Nik's return was a slight surprise, but we knew he'd be back eventually. I never really liked the present incarnation of the character, who does things like threaten to steal the child of the woman he claims to love because he's been hurt by her. That seems like something a seven-year-old would do. I'll bet that his denials are accurate, so that leaves Cyrus as the lead suspect in sending Ava those photos and guns. Which means it probably isn't Cyrus either.
Yes, it was very strange that Sonny sent Nina over to Carly's in the middle of the night to apologize. But that did set up an extra dramatic confrontation with Carly, who had just learned of her mom's death, which neither Sonny nor Nina knew about. Even Carly's initial reaction was strange. Instead of telling Nina she did not have time for her, having just found out about Bobby's death, Carly invites Nina right in, with a "what's up, Nina?"
I also find it strange that Sonny with his obsession with "betrayal" did not immediately demand the name of the guilty party. Instead, he initially focusses on what Michael knew and when he knew it. Completely out of character, I'd say.
I'd bet Michael's role in hiring Dex will absolutely be revealed at some point, as all Port Charles secrets are eventually revealed.
It's striking how Michael, generally considered one of the "good" characters, regularly engages in tactics like blackmail and planting moles. So far he has avoided significant consequences from his bad acts. I suspect that is going to change.
SteveR
SteveR
Jan 7, 2024, 12:02:10 PM1/7/24
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On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 6:12:25 PM UTC-5, Marika wrote:
> >
> > Questions remain. Will Sonny ever find out that Mikey hired Dex to turn him
> > in? Will it be Brick who breaks the news to Sonny that Michael is
> > dangerous. And who did Mikey conspire with at the SEC. The leaker and
> > Mikey are probably guilty of another crime. That Mikey will get away with.
> >
> > Finally
> >
> > Steve Burton just exited DOOL. There are whispers of a GH return.
> > Personally, I hope he does not return.
> >
> >
> >
> Another thing I noticed this week.
>
> Drew and Carly talking about his experience in Pentonville, and how it
> hardened him.
>
> Some said the scenes were characterized by poor direction.
>
> Not sure if it was poor direction or some sort of weak symbolism.
>
> When Drew and Carly were talking, they were in the kitchen near the window.
>
> When Drew was talking about how Pentonville hardened him, the shots were
> taken from outdoors, thru the window, with some sort of low rumbling noise.
>
> The scenes were weird at least in part because he had been locked up and
> presumably tortured when imprisoned by Victor and Peter. Why, after going
> thru so much, would Pentonville be a turning point for him?
>
> Are they trying to let the twin personalities come out?
>
> And by the same token, in a previous month, when Charlotte and Kevin were
> talking, they had a shot of him looking completely deranged like Ryan.
>
> I cannot help wondering if the Twin story is about to pop for them, and
> Anna also
Again, sorry for the late response!
> >
> > Questions remain. Will Sonny ever find out that Mikey hired Dex to turn him
> > in? Will it be Brick who breaks the news to Sonny that Michael is
> > dangerous. And who did Mikey conspire with at the SEC. The leaker and
> > Mikey are probably guilty of another crime. That Mikey will get away with.
> >
> > Finally
> >
> > Steve Burton just exited DOOL. There are whispers of a GH return.
> > Personally, I hope he does not return.
> >
> >
> >
> Another thing I noticed this week.
>
> Drew and Carly talking about his experience in Pentonville, and how it
> hardened him.
>
> Some said the scenes were characterized by poor direction.
>
> Not sure if it was poor direction or some sort of weak symbolism.
>
> When Drew and Carly were talking, they were in the kitchen near the window.
>
> When Drew was talking about how Pentonville hardened him, the shots were
> taken from outdoors, thru the window, with some sort of low rumbling noise.
>
> The scenes were weird at least in part because he had been locked up and
> presumably tortured when imprisoned by Victor and Peter. Why, after going
> thru so much, would Pentonville be a turning point for him?
>
> Are they trying to let the twin personalities come out?
>
> And by the same token, in a previous month, when Charlotte and Kevin were
> talking, they had a shot of him looking completely deranged like Ryan.
>
> I cannot help wondering if the Twin story is about to pop for them, and
> Anna also
This is an interesting theory. I did not notice the camera angle changes.
It does seem like Drew should have all sorts of psych issues considering the trauma he has undergone. He was not just Victor's prisoner. Everyone thought he was dead for over two years, if I remember correctly. Therapy for Drew would appear to be required at a minimum, given his history. Usually, we don't see that side of things.
Both Anna and Kevin have had seriously dangerous twin issues in the past. As of now, both their twins are dead. While death is often temporary in Port Charles, I wonder if instead we will get a story where one or both of them believes they are their twin. That is a staple of popular fiction in general, and soaps in particular.
SteveR
Kaitlin
Jan 7, 2024, 5:43:47 PM1/7/24
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Marika wrote in <blqlN.133047$7sbb....@fx16.iad>:
> If you have seen today’s episode, you know
> …Huss is back as Nik
Scenery chewer. Not a fan.
> but denies killing Austin and denies sending Ava those
> guns.
When they decide who the culprit is, they can always double back to make
it Nik or Cyrus. Until then, we're supposed to drive ourselves nuts
wondering whodunit, like we did over the hook killer. Hopefully it isn't
Heather, vamping the guards and sneaking out of maximum security, or
someone they've killed off and resurrected, or a new character with an
invented back story grievance with Ava.
What I found really odd and unsatisfying about Nik's return was how
forgiving he was of Ava for cracking his head open, and how he seemed to
have completely forgotten what led up to it. Having him return mad as
hell and seeking vengeance would have been completely in character for
Nik, but I guess that didn't fit into the storyline they now have
planned for him. Or something. No mention of Victor and his involvement,
either. And oh yeah, suddenly he's interested in the baby he made with
his son's psycho girlfriend, cue Esme's evils.
<snip>
she go over there if he had. But I agree that his reaction was bizarre.
He spent the entire episode pitching a hissy fit because Michael had
kept the culprit's identity from him, and only thought to ask who the
person was at the end of the ep, cue Nina's entry.
BTW, why was this showdown staged at The Savoy in the middle of the
night after the other customers had left, the place had closed, and
there were no employees or owners present?
>
<snip>
YouTube channel with SB talking about how excited he is to return now
that GH has lifted the vaccine mandate. Hopefully one of the rocks that
fell on Jason in Greece conked him on the head hard enough to cure him
of his decades-long bout of thuggism. Sonny has a new and younger body
man, and Jason is getting a bit long in the tooth, so what will there be
for a past-middle-age thug to do?
--
K
> If you have seen today’s episode, you know
> …Huss is back as Nik
> but denies killing Austin and denies sending Ava those
> guns.
it Nik or Cyrus. Until then, we're supposed to drive ourselves nuts
wondering whodunit, like we did over the hook killer. Hopefully it isn't
Heather, vamping the guards and sneaking out of maximum security, or
someone they've killed off and resurrected, or a new character with an
invented back story grievance with Ava.
What I found really odd and unsatisfying about Nik's return was how
forgiving he was of Ava for cracking his head open, and how he seemed to
have completely forgotten what led up to it. Having him return mad as
hell and seeking vengeance would have been completely in character for
Nik, but I guess that didn't fit into the storyline they now have
planned for him. Or something. No mention of Victor and his involvement,
either. And oh yeah, suddenly he's interested in the baby he made with
his son's psycho girlfriend, cue Esme's evils.
<snip>
>
> …Nina was finally outed. This scene was bizarre. Sonny sends Nina over to
> Carly’s to apologize. It is the dead of night. And Carly is grieving.
> This is sure to be uncomfortable.
He didn't know about Bobbie, and probably wouldn't have insisted that
> …Nina was finally outed. This scene was bizarre. Sonny sends Nina over to
> Carly’s to apologize. It is the dead of night. And Carly is grieving.
> This is sure to be uncomfortable.
she go over there if he had. But I agree that his reaction was bizarre.
He spent the entire episode pitching a hissy fit because Michael had
kept the culprit's identity from him, and only thought to ask who the
person was at the end of the ep, cue Nina's entry.
BTW, why was this showdown staged at The Savoy in the middle of the
night after the other customers had left, the place had closed, and
there were no employees or owners present?
>
<snip>
>
> Finally
>
> Steve Burton just exited DOOL. There are whispers of a GH return.
> Personally, I hope he does not return.
I'm past caring about Jason, but I've seen a few little shorts on GH's
> Finally
>
> Steve Burton just exited DOOL. There are whispers of a GH return.
> Personally, I hope he does not return.
YouTube channel with SB talking about how excited he is to return now
that GH has lifted the vaccine mandate. Hopefully one of the rocks that
fell on Jason in Greece conked him on the head hard enough to cure him
of his decades-long bout of thuggism. Sonny has a new and younger body
man, and Jason is getting a bit long in the tooth, so what will there be
for a past-middle-age thug to do?
--
K
Kaitlin
Jan 7, 2024, 5:45:16 PM1/7/24
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Marika wrote in <qXGlN.131359$Wp_8....@fx17.iad>:
> Another thing I noticed this week.
>
> Drew and Carly talking about his experience in Pentonville, and how it
> hardened him.
>
> Some said the scenes were characterized by poor direction.
>
> Not sure if it was poor direction or some sort of weak symbolism.
>
> When Drew and Carly were talking, they were in the kitchen near the window.
>
> When Drew was talking about how Pentonville hardened him, the shots were
> taken from outdoors, thru the window, with some sort of low rumbling noise.
>
> The scenes were weird at least in part because he had been locked up and
> presumably tortured when imprisoned by Victor and Peter. Why, after going
> thru so much, would Pentonville be a turning point for him?
You're right, being imprisoned by Victor and Peter should have affected
him far more than his short stay in Pentonville. And his reasoning of
why Pentonville was worse was so lame that I've forgotten it! I assume
the only reason they want Drew affected more by Pentonville is that it
increases the drama of Nina's culpability.
will be, because this is daytime drama, but hopefully it won't be
anytime soon.
mussed when he barged into her room without knocking, which was creepy
all by itself, IMO. She's a teenage girl, for petessake--she might have
been undressed. I had the impression that they wanted us to think it was
Ryan for a split second. Because really, the only difference between
Kevin and Ryan is a comb.
--
K
> Another thing I noticed this week.
>
> Drew and Carly talking about his experience in Pentonville, and how it
> hardened him.
>
> Some said the scenes were characterized by poor direction.
>
> Not sure if it was poor direction or some sort of weak symbolism.
>
> When Drew and Carly were talking, they were in the kitchen near the window.
>
> When Drew was talking about how Pentonville hardened him, the shots were
> taken from outdoors, thru the window, with some sort of low rumbling noise.
>
> The scenes were weird at least in part because he had been locked up and
> presumably tortured when imprisoned by Victor and Peter. Why, after going
> thru so much, would Pentonville be a turning point for him?
him far more than his short stay in Pentonville. And his reasoning of
why Pentonville was worse was so lame that I've forgotten it! I assume
the only reason they want Drew affected more by Pentonville is that it
increases the drama of Nina's culpability.
>
> Are they trying to let the twin personalities come out?
Oh gee, hopefully not. Please, no more twin storylines! Of course there
> Are they trying to let the twin personalities come out?
will be, because this is daytime drama, but hopefully it won't be
anytime soon.
>
> And by the same token, in a previous month, when Charlotte and Kevin were
> talking, they had a shot of him looking completely deranged like Ryan.
Bad hair day. Just kidding. I noticed that, too--his hair was a bit
> And by the same token, in a previous month, when Charlotte and Kevin were
> talking, they had a shot of him looking completely deranged like Ryan.
mussed when he barged into her room without knocking, which was creepy
all by itself, IMO. She's a teenage girl, for petessake--she might have
been undressed. I had the impression that they wanted us to think it was
Ryan for a split second. Because really, the only difference between
Kevin and Ryan is a comb.
--
K
Kaitlin
Jan 7, 2024, 5:48:52 PM1/7/24
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SteveR wrote in
<209e872c-d63d-4aca...@googlegroups.com>:
<snip>
> I also find it strange that Sonny with his obsession with "betrayal"
> did not immediately demand the name of the guilty party. Instead, he
> initially focusses on what Michael knew and when he knew it.
> Completely out of character, I'd say.
Agreed. The true version of Sonny would have demanded to know the
ratter's identity, then gone off in a rage to find that person and have
it out with them. But no, for the sake of heightened drama, they had to
draw things out to the end of the episode so that Nina could walk in
just as Sonny *finally* asked who it was...to be continued tomorrow (or
next week, whichever the case was).
But the drawing out was odd and unnatural, with Sonny ranting about
Michael's "betrayal" rather than immediately demanding to know who the
squealer was, and with the constant cutting away to Brook Lynn & Chase
and Dante & Sam and Drew & Carly. Willow's silly torn dress drama,
another part of the drawing out, was obviously intended to give Willow
and Nina a reason to arrive together, late to the party, but just in
time for Nina's outing.
--
K
<209e872c-d63d-4aca...@googlegroups.com>:
<snip>
> I also find it strange that Sonny with his obsession with "betrayal"
> did not immediately demand the name of the guilty party. Instead, he
> initially focusses on what Michael knew and when he knew it.
> Completely out of character, I'd say.
ratter's identity, then gone off in a rage to find that person and have
it out with them. But no, for the sake of heightened drama, they had to
draw things out to the end of the episode so that Nina could walk in
just as Sonny *finally* asked who it was...to be continued tomorrow (or
next week, whichever the case was).
But the drawing out was odd and unnatural, with Sonny ranting about
Michael's "betrayal" rather than immediately demanding to know who the
squealer was, and with the constant cutting away to Brook Lynn & Chase
and Dante & Sam and Drew & Carly. Willow's silly torn dress drama,
another part of the drawing out, was obviously intended to give Willow
and Nina a reason to arrive together, late to the party, but just in
time for Nina's outing.
--
K
Kaitlin
Jan 7, 2024, 10:28:49 PM1/7/24
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Kaitlin wrote in <c3ampidbu0qh9ottt...@4ax.com>:
> I've seen a few little shorts on GH's YouTube channel with SB
> talking about how excited he is to return now that GH has
> lifted the vaccine mandate.
Correction: it wasn't GH's YouTube channel, it was one called Daily
Drama run by Steve Burton and Bradford Anderson that popped up in my
recommended videos the other day.
--
K
> I've seen a few little shorts on GH's YouTube channel with SB
> talking about how excited he is to return now that GH has
> lifted the vaccine mandate.
Drama run by Steve Burton and Bradford Anderson that popped up in my
recommended videos the other day.
--
K
Marika
Jan 8, 2024, 1:29:37 AM1/8/24
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Kaitlin <kelly's.d...@324.wharf.st.INVALID> wrote:
>
Snipsville
> I'm past caring about Jason, but I've seen a few little shorts on GH's
> YouTube channel with SB talking about how excited he is to return now
> that GH has lifted the vaccine mandate. Hopefully one of the rocks that
> fell on Jason in Greece conked him on the head hard enough to cure him
> of his decades-long bout of thuggism. Sonny has a new and younger body
> man, and Jason is getting a bit long in the tooth, so what will there be
> for a past-middle-age thug to do?
There are Burton lovers and Burton detractors on social media
Here are some funny thoughts, given long of sweet toothiness from that
world
Jason falls in love with Diane
Jason falls in love with Finn
Jason’s head gets konked so hard he forgets he was ever a mob enforcer and
becomes Monica’s son in full effect, goes legit and takes over as CEO for
both Q enterprises and Aurora
>
Snipsville
> I'm past caring about Jason, but I've seen a few little shorts on GH's
> YouTube channel with SB talking about how excited he is to return now
> that GH has lifted the vaccine mandate. Hopefully one of the rocks that
> fell on Jason in Greece conked him on the head hard enough to cure him
> of his decades-long bout of thuggism. Sonny has a new and younger body
> man, and Jason is getting a bit long in the tooth, so what will there be
> for a past-middle-age thug to do?
Here are some funny thoughts, given long of sweet toothiness from that
world
Jason falls in love with Diane
Jason falls in love with Finn
Jason’s head gets konked so hard he forgets he was ever a mob enforcer and
becomes Monica’s son in full effect, goes legit and takes over as CEO for
both Q enterprises and Aurora
Marika
Jan 8, 2024, 1:44:41 AM1/8/24
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She is a rat fink.
If she can roll over Carly and Drew in a fit if pique, what little Sonny
misdeed would have her providing state evidence to tank her beloved husband
I do not feel sorry for his lack of judgment in picking this particular
wife, but survival in either world requires abandoning the other
It is not like Sonny wouldn’t deserve being turned in for his Crimes, but
as of tonight, Nina has no more than peripheral nonspecific knowledge, and
it seems as if the most severe charge he is facing is assault on Cyrus
Kaitlin
Jan 8, 2024, 4:28:20 PM1/8/24
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Marika wrote in <rRMmN.36570$Iswd....@fx05.iad>:
> Kaitlin <kelly's.d...@324.wharf.st.INVALID> wrote:
>> SteveR wrote in
>> <209e872c-d63d-4aca...@googlegroups.com>:
>>
argued that she shouldn't be condemned for making "one big mistake." She
must have forgotten about the one other big mistake of failing to tell
Sonny's family that he was alive. And the other one big mistake of not
insisting that he go back to his wife and family, but instead,
encouraging him to leave Carly for her. And not to mention that other
one big mistake of stealing Ava's baby from her body and trying to pass
it off as her own. (If the lunatic wanted a baby so badly, why did she
never try adopting one?)
she was angry. Too funny!
> what little Sonny misdeed would have her providing state evidence to
> tank her beloved husband
>
> I do not feel sorry for his lack of judgment in picking this particular
> wife, but survival in either world requires abandoning the other
>
> It is not like Sonny wouldn’t deserve being turned in for his Crimes,
> but as of tonight, Nina has no more than peripheral nonspecific
> knowledge, and it seems as if the most severe charge he is facing is
> assault on Cyrus
That was either first or second degree assault--both pretty severe
charges, especially for an old man with claustrophobia. He could end up
serving anywhere from 2-7 years if charged with second, and 5-25 if
charged with first. That is, if NY is similar to other states in that
regard. I think the legal term for Sonny's predicament is "deep doo
doo." But my guess is that he'll end up with a light sentence if
convicted. Maybe he'll pull a judge sympathetic to people who commit
crimes of passion, which Diane is sure to argue this was, and be given
the minimum required by the state. Then he can get a doctor to testify
that he has a dicky ticker and should be granted early release.
I'll bet Nina expects to smooth things over with Sonny eventually, but
if she can't, look for her to wreak her usual vengeance. Sonny was cagey
enough not to loop her in on his "business" affairs, so she probably
won't be able to send him up the river for anything she knows.
--
K
> Kaitlin <kelly's.d...@324.wharf.st.INVALID> wrote:
>> SteveR wrote in
>> <209e872c-d63d-4aca...@googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>> I also find it strange that Sonny with his obsession with "betrayal"
>>> did not immediately demand the name of the guilty party. Instead, he
>>> initially focusses on what Michael knew and when he knew it.
>>> Completely out of character, I'd say.
>>
>> Agreed. The true version of Sonny would have demanded to know the
>> ratter's identity, then gone off in a rage to find that person and have
>> it out with them. But no, for the sake of heightened drama, they had to
>> draw things out to the end of the episode so that Nina could walk in
>> just as Sonny *finally* asked who it was...to be continued tomorrow (or
>> next week, whichever the case was).
>>
>> But the drawing out was odd and unnatural, with Sonny ranting about
>> Michael's "betrayal" rather than immediately demanding to know who the
>> squealer was, and with the constant cutting away to Brook Lynn & Chase
>> and Dante & Sam and Drew & Carly. Willow's silly torn dress drama,
>> another part of the drawing out, was obviously intended to give Willow
>> and Nina a reason to arrive together, late to the party, but just in
>> time for Nina's outing.
>
> Nina’s real and only sin here
>
> She is a rat fink.
And a home wrecker, don't forget home wrecker. I had to laugh when
>>> did not immediately demand the name of the guilty party. Instead, he
>>> initially focusses on what Michael knew and when he knew it.
>>> Completely out of character, I'd say.
>>
>> Agreed. The true version of Sonny would have demanded to know the
>> ratter's identity, then gone off in a rage to find that person and have
>> it out with them. But no, for the sake of heightened drama, they had to
>> draw things out to the end of the episode so that Nina could walk in
>> just as Sonny *finally* asked who it was...to be continued tomorrow (or
>> next week, whichever the case was).
>>
>> But the drawing out was odd and unnatural, with Sonny ranting about
>> Michael's "betrayal" rather than immediately demanding to know who the
>> squealer was, and with the constant cutting away to Brook Lynn & Chase
>> and Dante & Sam and Drew & Carly. Willow's silly torn dress drama,
>> another part of the drawing out, was obviously intended to give Willow
>> and Nina a reason to arrive together, late to the party, but just in
>> time for Nina's outing.
>
> Nina’s real and only sin here
>
> She is a rat fink.
argued that she shouldn't be condemned for making "one big mistake." She
must have forgotten about the one other big mistake of failing to tell
Sonny's family that he was alive. And the other one big mistake of not
insisting that he go back to his wife and family, but instead,
encouraging him to leave Carly for her. And not to mention that other
one big mistake of stealing Ava's baby from her body and trying to pass
it off as her own. (If the lunatic wanted a baby so badly, why did she
never try adopting one?)
>
> If she can roll over Carly and Drew in a fit if pique,
She claimed she didn't rat on Carly and Drew out of spite, but because
> If she can roll over Carly and Drew in a fit if pique,
she was angry. Too funny!
> what little Sonny misdeed would have her providing state evidence to
> tank her beloved husband
>
> I do not feel sorry for his lack of judgment in picking this particular
> wife, but survival in either world requires abandoning the other
>
> It is not like Sonny wouldn’t deserve being turned in for his Crimes,
> but as of tonight, Nina has no more than peripheral nonspecific
> knowledge, and it seems as if the most severe charge he is facing is
> assault on Cyrus
charges, especially for an old man with claustrophobia. He could end up
serving anywhere from 2-7 years if charged with second, and 5-25 if
charged with first. That is, if NY is similar to other states in that
regard. I think the legal term for Sonny's predicament is "deep doo
doo." But my guess is that he'll end up with a light sentence if
convicted. Maybe he'll pull a judge sympathetic to people who commit
crimes of passion, which Diane is sure to argue this was, and be given
the minimum required by the state. Then he can get a doctor to testify
that he has a dicky ticker and should be granted early release.
I'll bet Nina expects to smooth things over with Sonny eventually, but
if she can't, look for her to wreak her usual vengeance. Sonny was cagey
enough not to loop her in on his "business" affairs, so she probably
won't be able to send him up the river for anything she knows.
--
K
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