Tom Bergeron as CBS "Early Show" host?
John Holder
those being mentioned as a possible replacement is his frequent substitute,
Tom Bergeron. The other possible candidates discussed so far are all news
anchors from various places, mostly already at CBS. Although Tom has
relevant experience hosting that type of show, the tradition on the
CBS/NBC/ABC (but not Fox) morning programs is for the permanent anchors to
be newspeople. There was a fair amount of shock in 1982 when NBC recruited
Gumbel, who was then a (gasp) *sports*caster, to do the "Today" show. So I
wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Tom to be offered the slot.
BUT: If he does get "The Early Show", which is based in New York, I doubt
that he'll want to get up at 3 AM five days a week *and* commute across the
country to do "Hollywood Squares" on weekends. So it's never too early for
this newsgroup to engage in idle, uninformed (but nonetheless interesting)
speculation as to who'd replace him on HS. :-)
John
DrBear
Your options are:
1. Stay with your current gigs, making nice to Whoopster abuot 30 taping nights a year and hosting a funny=videos show
and making big bucks.
2. Getting up at 3 a.m. five days a week in New York to be co-host with an established person on the third-place show in
its time slot where you will be blamed if the show doesn't advance aganst a) One of the top personalities in TV (Couric)
and b) a show that is fairly close to its top competition in the slot (GMA). ADD to that the pressure he'll face for
not being a "news" person on what may be a news-oriented show (especially given the events of the past year) with a
co-host who's been on air for some time and still is unknown by most of America.
If the man takes the Early Show job he's crazy.
Dave Mackey
news:a8kbnc$3606$1...@news3.infoave.net...
> BUT: If he does get "The Early Show", which is based in New York, I doubt
> that he'll want to get up at 3 AM five days a week *and* commute across
the
> country to do "Hollywood Squares" on weekends. So it's never too early
for
> this newsgroup to engage in idle, uninformed (but nonetheless interesting)
> speculation as to who'd replace him on HS. :-)
I was traveling this week, and the trend seems to be toward more
fun-oriented morning news shows at some of the network affiliates in
Washington, DC and Baltimore. Thus, Bergeron could turn the "CBS The
Morning" into something totally his own, if he so chose. And don't forget
that Tom lives in Connecticut, so it would seem to be no problem for him to
have a job in the city then fly out to do Squares. Gene Rayburn was
bicoastal for years like that.
Dave
Card Shark
> OK, looking at this from Bergeron's view....
>
>
> Your options are:
> 1. Stay with your current gigs, making nice to Whoopster abuot 30 taping nights a year and hosting a funny=videos show
> and making big bucks.
But, isn't that funny video program on ABC? Isn't there some kind of
rule with the FCC that prevents someone from hosting shows on two
different networks? On the A&E Biogrpahy special with Bob Barker a few
years ago, he mentioned that he was hosting Truth or Consequences and
was asked by Goodson to host TPIR. He said that he was able to due to
TOC airing in syndication and knowing that TPIR would be network.
--
Alright, Happy, nice and easy...
That was NOT nice and easy.
-Bob Barker on Happy Gilmore
Adam "Card Shark" Strom
Mark Jeffries
First of all, don't count Bergeron totally out yet. For the first
couple of years of "Squares," he was commuting two weekends a month
from Vermont to LA to do the show (he was keeping a permanent
residence there, probably to put in public schools his two kids--Cody
and Cody). He seems to be living in LA now (at about the same time
Whoopi permanently moved to LA from New York, or so it seems), so he
could get used to taking a lunchtime flight to LA every Friday and
flying back on Sunday evening. Also, the taping schedule could be
moved around to allow them to tape several days in a row rather than
every other Saturday and Sunday (they could easily use one of the
studios across the street from the main TV City campus rather than
33). So it's entirely possible that Tom could still do both "Early
Show" and "Squares."
Otherwise, if he wants it, I could easily see Jeff Probst getting the
gig. He wouldn't be as good as Bergeron, but you could say that about
almost anyone else except Peter Marshall 30 years ago.
Chris Lemon
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> But, isn't that funny video program on ABC? Isn't there some kind of
> rule with the FCC that prevents someone from hosting shows on two
> different networks?
Hell no, there was a time in the 80's where Dick Clark hosted the Pyramid on
CBS, the Bloopers show with Ed McMahon on NBC, and Bandstand on ABC, all at
the same time. All network shows.
> He said that he was able to due to
> TOC airing in syndication and knowing that TPIR would be network.
Well, that might have been a matter of personal morals, not wanting to
compete with himself.
Jason Wentworth
John Holder wrote:
> Bryant Gumbel is leaving CBS and his job as host of "The Early Show". Among
> those being mentioned as a possible replacement is his frequent substitute,
> Tom Bergeron. The other possible candidates discussed so far are all news
> anchors from various places, mostly already at CBS. Although Tom has
> relevant experience hosting that type of show, the tradition on the
> CBS/NBC/ABC (but not Fox) morning programs is for the permanent anchors to
> be newspeople. There was a fair amount of shock in 1982 when NBC recruited
> Gumbel, who was then a (gasp) *sports*caster, to do the "Today" show. So I
> wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Tom to be offered the slot.
>
And that's a shame...morning TV shows are less "newsy" than ever--look at what
"Today" is doing this week! If CBS goes with some news personality they're
doing so just to con the viewer into thinking that theirs will be somehow be an
actual news program (in between the retro segments and "Survivor" koffee
klatcsch).
I love game shows, but I find Tom and Whoopi's "Squares" thoroughly
unenjoyable. Can't quite say just why. Just don't like it. To me, Tom
Bergeron's best work was as host of the original "Breakfast Time" on FX, with
the puppet and the correspondents all over the USA. If you never saw that
original incarnation of the show (not the watered-down "Fox After Breakfast"),
you missed a truly original program. If Bergeron could bring that kind of
goofy-ass spirit to a mainstream network morning show, I'd have to set my PTV
for it.
Doc
Dixon Hayes
>rule with the FCC that prevents someone from hosting shows on two
>different networks?
Absolutely not, it's usually the network's preferences. The hosts are usually
exclusive to the given network, by contract.
>he mentioned that he was hosting Truth or Consequences and
>was asked by Goodson to host TPIR. He said that he was able to due to
>TOC airing in syndication and knowing that TPIR would be network.
That's because syndicators have no interested in exclusive contracts that bar
hosts from appearing on networks, since their programs appear on affiliates of
all kinds.
Dixon
===========
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--Barney Fife
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Matt Ottinger
"John Holder" <JT...@aol.com> wrote ...
> Bryant Gumbel is leaving CBS and his job as host of "The Early Show".
Among
> those being mentioned as a possible replacement is his frequent
substitute,
> Tom Bergeron. The other possible candidates discussed so far are all news
> anchors from various places, mostly already at CBS. Although Tom has
> relevant experience hosting that type of show, the tradition on the
> CBS/NBC/ABC (but not Fox) morning programs is for the permanent anchors to
> be newspeople. There was a fair amount of shock in 1982 when NBC
recruited
> Gumbel, who was then a (gasp) *sports*caster, to do the "Today" show. So
I
> wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Tom to be offered the slot.
Youngsters forget that the original host of "Good Morning, America" was
actor David Hartman. (GMA was originally produced by the network's
entertainment division, news took over years later.)
More and more often, the imaginary boundary between news and entertainment
is becoming blurred, and nowhere is that more evident than on the morning
programs. This arbitrary separation isn't as much of a problem in British
TV, where a "presenter" might host a game show, a talk show or a news show.
Bergeron is a "presenter" in the British sense, able to move from the
frivolous to the serious as the situaiton requires, and that's precisely the
skill a morning show host needs most.
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
brettley
> And that's a shame...morning TV shows are less "newsy" than ever--look at what
> "Today" is doing this week! If CBS goes with some news personality they're
> doing so just to con the viewer into thinking that theirs will be somehow be an
> actual news program (in between the retro segments and "Survivor" koffee
> klatcsch).
>
> I love game shows, but I find Tom and Whoopi's "Squares" thoroughly
> unenjoyable. Can't quite say just why. Just don't like it. To me, Tom
> Bergeron's best work was as host of the original "Breakfast Time" on FX, with
> the puppet and the correspondents all over the USA. If you never saw that
> original incarnation of the show (not the watered-down "Fox After Breakfast"),
> you missed a truly original program. If Bergeron could bring that kind of
> goofy-ass spirit to a mainstream network morning show, I'd have to set my PTV
> for it.
>
> Doc
I agree. But you know at 6am if you want to catch the news a more
upbeat type show is perfect. I have found that the local FOX AM news
does that. They're witty, and get the news across. On the episodes
of HS I have seen, I think Tom would be perfect as a newscaster on a
lighter side.
The original post said who will replace Tom. I have no guesses for
that, but are the ratings doing really well on HS to keep it going.
Seems the last I heard or read, that the ratings were slipping.
Brett Odom
John Holder
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> So it's entirely possible that Tom could still do both "Early
> Show" and "Squares."
Of course, traditional CBS practices would have prevented anyone from
simultaneously doing both "news" and "entertainment" programs -- yes, Mike
Wallace hosted a game show, but not at the same time he was on "60 Minutes".
It was a major-league big deal when Walter Cronkite did a guest spot as
himself on "The Mary Tyler Moore Show". (Lou Grant: "I can't believe I'm
saying this...Ted Baxter, this is Walter Cronkite.") But that was before
morning news anchor Julie Chen became the "reporter" on "Big Brother" or
whichever show it was (I don't watch any of the "reality" shows, thanks.)
"The Early Show" is more and more News McNuggets wrapped around infomercial
segments for "Survivor" and the rest of the prime time schedule anyway.
John, who watches CNN in any case...
John Holder
Dixon Hayes <dixon...@aol.comspamless> wrote in message
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> >Isn't there some kind of
> >rule with the FCC that prevents someone from hosting shows on two
> >different networks?
>
> Absolutely not, it's usually the network's preferences. The hosts are
usually
> exclusive to the given network, by contract.
For example:
Alex Trebek simultaneously did Classic Concentration (weekdays) on NBC and
Super Jeopardy! (Saturday prime time) on ABC.
Dick Clark did the '80's Pyramid on CBS (weekday daytime) while hosting both
American Bandstand (on Saturdays) and New Year's Rockin' Eve on ABC (and
weren't those bloopers shows of his on NBC prime time in the same era, too?)
John Charles Daly simultaneously hosted What's My Line? on CBS Sunday
nights, and anchored the ABC evening news during the week.
So the networks may care, but if it's okay with them, the government
certainly doesn't care.
John, who's not sure how much the FCC cares about much of anything any
more...
Curt Alliaume
writes:
>Of course, traditional CBS practices would have prevented anyone from
>simultaneously doing both "news" and "entertainment" programs -- yes, Mike
>Wallace hosted a game show, but not at the same time he was on "60 Minutes".
But Walter Cronkite did host It's News to Me while working for CBS News. So
did John Daly, along with WML. And Douglas Edwards hosted Riddle Me This and
Masquerade Party while anchoring the CBS Evening News.
In any case, I don't think Bergeron would try to do both. This isn't like Gene
Rayburn commuting to LA to tape MG; it's more like Geoff Edwards commuting to
NY to do Jackpot while doing a daily show in Los Angeles -- Geoff, how the heck
did you pull that off?
I've heard from two different sources over the past couple of years that Tom,
while enjoying Squares greatly, doesn't really think of himself as a "game show
host." If I were offered the options, I'd hitch my wagon to The Early Show
before Squares, which may be fading.
-- Curt Alliaume
----------------------
Game Shows '75
http://www.curtalliaume.com/gameshow.html
(The old URL still works, too.)
Terry Knab
: I was traveling this week, and the trend seems to be toward more
: fun-oriented morning news shows at some of the network affiliates in
: Washington, DC and Baltimore. Thus, Bergeron could turn the "CBS The
: Morning" into something totally his own, if he so chose. And don't forget
: that Tom lives in Connecticut, so it would seem to be no problem for him to
: have a job in the city then fly out to do Squares. Gene Rayburn was
: bicoastal for years like that.
We forget he did the FOX after Breakfast & FX morning shows which were cult
classics at the time =)
John Holder
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> I was traveling this week, and the trend seems to be toward more
> fun-oriented morning news shows at some of the network affiliates in
> Washington, DC and Baltimore. Thus, Bergeron could turn the "CBS The
> Morning" into something totally his own, if he so chose.
CBS's morning product has never been anything other than last in the
ratings. It used to be a distant second to "Today", and when ABC launched
"Good Morning America" in the '70's, it became a distant third to the other
two. So around 1987, the network brass decided to give up on the news
division (which has otherwise always controlled the time slot) and replace
the two-hour "CBS Morning News" with a half-hour newscast followed by a
90-minute entertainment show (hosted by actress and frequent game show guest
Mariette Hartley). "The Morning Program" did even worse in its time slot
than the previous newscasts had, and the news division got the full two-hour
time slot back by the end of the year. They've made more ratings progress
with Gumbel than they ever had before, but they're still way behind Today
and GMA. Some affiliates (and even some of the network-owned stations,
including the Baltimore station Dave refers to) pre-empt the first half of
it for an extra hour of morning news.
Bottom line: If they decide not to continue with a network newscast at that
time, I would assume that rather than re-formatting the program, making it a
more entertainment-oriented vehicle for Tom, they'd be more likely to just
give up and let the affiliates have the slot for local news. Many of them
want it because that's where the fastest-growing news audience of the day
is.
I used to be a faithful CBS Morning News viewer, and still frequently watch
Dan Rather (despite the fact that he sometimes drives me up the wall...)
But I probably haven't spent more than five minutes watching "The Early
Show" in the three years it's been on. I'm more into CNN these days.
John, a daily consumer of both news and entertainment programming
WICKWICK
there is no FCC ruling on talent doing different shows on different networks.
that was barker's deal with G-T Prods.
The Morning Show always had a history of non news hosts...Jack Paar was once
host as was Merv Griffin and Dick Van Dyke and don't forget the most famous NBC
Today show host was Dave Garroway (non news) and and Hugh Downs who was Jack
Paars announcer.
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
> Of course, traditional CBS practices would have prevented anyone from
> simultaneously doing both "news" and "entertainment" programs -- yes, Mike
> Wallace hosted a game show, but not at the same time he was on "60
Minutes".
As per Jeff Graham's book, he actually had the chance to host the original
TTTT, but declined...Walter Cronkite was supposedly next in line, but CBS
News wouldn't give him permission.
Then there's John Daly, who was somehow able to convince his bosses in the
news dept to let him take the WML gig...
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
"Terry Knab" <tk...@nyx.net> wrote in message
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> We forget he did the FOX after Breakfast & FX morning shows which were
cult
> classics at the time =)
IIRC, he also did fill-in work on Good Morning America.
ObGameShow: Jim Peck was also a sporadic GMA guest host some 20 yrs earlier.
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
> rule with the FCC that prevents someone from hosting shows on two
> different networks?
No, I think the rule was against someone hosting two different syndicated
shows, which could likely put the same host up against himself in certain
markets (and possibly why Bill Cullen didn't get the job as Garry Moore's
replacement on TTTT, besides the possible loss of his concise gameplay while
on the panel).
Mike Tennant
Wasn't Bergeron a recent guest host on one of these morning shows?
I'm thinking it was "The Early Show." If so, do you suppose it was a
sort of on-air tryout for a permanent gig?
Mark Jeffries
> "John Holder" <JT...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:a8lqk5$3otv$1...@news3.infoave.net...
> > Of course, traditional CBS practices would have prevented anyone from
> > simultaneously doing both "news" and "entertainment" programs -- yes, Mike
> > Wallace hosted a game show, but not at the same time he was on "60
> Minutes".
>
> As per Jeff Graham's book, he actually had the chance to host the original
> TTTT, but declined.
And as some traders or visitors to the Museum of Radio and Television
in New York or LA know, Wallace did host "Nothing But the Truth," the
original "TTTT" pilot (and did a darn good job at it, IMHO).
Jimmy Murphy
> Bryant Gumbel is leaving CBS and his job as host of "The Early Show".
<applause>
Among
> those being mentioned as a possible replacement is his frequent
substitute,
> Tom Bergeron.....
...whom I think would be a good replacement if CBS wants to revamp the show
and shift its "hard news" image. If they want to continue the current
format, he would be a bit out of place.
<snip> the tradition on the
> CBS/NBC/ABC (but not Fox) morning programs is for the permanent anchors to
> be newspeople. There was a fair amount of shock in 1982 when NBC
recruited
> Gumbel, who was then a (gasp) *sports*caster, to do the "Today" show. So
I
> wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Tom to be offered the slot.
Actually, there was that abominable "The Morning Program" they tried a long
time ago, with Mariette Hartley and...some other anchor, with Bob Saget as
the so-called weatherman. It was done in front of a live audience and
everything. I was young when this was on the air, but even then I thought
it was like watching a train wreck. CBS has been trying for ages to get a
foothold in the morning slot, and that was the most memorable attempt at
changing the format. If they try something similar, however, it will be an
obvious attempt at copying "Fox and Friends" off the Fox News Channel.
I think Jane Clayson is a keeper, but will she be enough of a keeper to keep
that hard-news format too? If Tom does get the gig, I think they will try
to tinker with the format to suit his humor better, which might leave
Clayson looking for work, too. I wonder if Mariette Hartley is polishing up
her resume. :-/
---Jimmy
Cyclone
>
> To me, Tom
> Bergeron's best work was as host of the original "Breakfast Time" on FX,
> with
> the puppet and the correspondents all over the USA. If you never saw that
> original incarnation of the show (not the watered-down "Fox After
> Breakfast"),
> you missed a truly original program. If Bergeron could bring that kind of
> goofy-ass spirit to a mainstream network morning show, I'd have to set my
> PTV for it.
>
> Doc
As one of the die-hard "Breakfast Time" fans from way back, I would love to
see that. But I can't really see CBS allowing something like that. Like you
say, even FOX was only willing to put on "Breakfast Time"-Lite. God, it was
painful to watch "Fox After Breakfast" come apart, piece by piece. Tom was
reduced to pleading with fans on-air to write in to try and save the puppet
(he failed and was gone himself shortly after).
Jonathan Allen
> including the Baltimore station Dave refers to) pre-empt the first half of
> it for an extra hour of morning news.
>
at all; they have their own morning news show followed by Regis and Kelly.
Besides, their ratings are way higher than Today or GMA. A UHF station,
WHNO, carries The Early Show.
But for those who live in the Mississippi coast and have cable (I did from
1989-91), The Early Show is seen on Mobile, Ala. CBS station WKRG.
Speaking of which, the Miss. coast area cable companies have been carrying
WKRG since the '70s. I guess that's just in case WWL preempts any CBS
network programming, especially during soaps.
Jonathan Allen
n'Zink
lmte...@hotmail.com (Mike Tennant) wrote:
> Wasn't Bergeron a recent guest host on one of these morning shows?
> I'm thinking it was "The Early Show." If so, do you suppose it was a
> sort of on-air tryout for a permanent gig?
He did guest-host "The Early Show" recently; some years ago -- before
"Squares," if memory serves -- he did the same on "Good Morning America."
-- DZ
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>
> In article <f529f80c.0204...@posting.google.com>,
> lmte...@hotmail.com (Mike Tennant) wrote:
>
> > Wasn't Bergeron a recent guest host on one of these morning shows?
> > I'm thinking it was "The Early Show." If so, do you suppose it was a
> > sort of on-air tryout for a permanent gig?
>
> He did guest-host "The Early Show" recently; some years ago -- before
> "Squares," if memory serves -- he did the same on "Good Morning America."
>
> -- DZ
And in Boston, he was the host of an hour long talk show called "People
Are Talking."
Steven Sousa
--
"Celebrate the moment as it turns into one more" - Neil Peart, Rush,
"One Little Victory"
Zach Horan
>Are Talking."
>
RIchard Bey and Maury Povich hosted the Philly equivalent of that show on KYW
in the early 80s. The show is not popular among Philly area game show fans as
it meant no $otC on KYWfor much of the 80s run, along with KYW not picking up
several other 80s games.
Terry Knab
: Actually, there was that abominable "The Morning Program" they tried a long
: time ago, with Mariette Hartley and...some other anchor, with Bob Saget as
: the so-called weatherman.
The same weatherman who is STILL with CBS today! One Mark McEwan!
: I think Jane Clayson is a keeper, but will she be enough of a keeper to keep
: that hard-news format too? If Tom does get the gig, I think they will try
: to tinker with the format to suit his humor better, which might leave
: Clayson looking for work, too. I wonder if Mariette Hartley is polishing up
: her resume. :-/
Laurie Hibbard is already on CBS' payroll and could likely be brought into
help out with Early. She has filled in a few times as it is.
CBSTVCity
revamp the show and shift its "hard news" image. If they want to continue the
current format, he would be a bit out of place. <<
CBS president Les Moonves was the guest for the hour on "Charlie Rose" Friday
evening. The conversation was quite informative. Mooves said a couple things
pertinent to "The Early Show."
Despite being #3 in the early morning ratings, CBS still earns a healthy profit
from the program. Also, its third place status gives the Network an opportunity
to try many different things with the upcoming revamped version. I think
Bergeron would be well suited for the job if they attempt something quirky.
In my opinion, CBS should counterprogram 7-9am with a serious, traditional news
program... either that or give back the time period to children's programming
(Captain Kangaroo). NBC's "Today Show" franchise is just too ingrained in
American society for a challenger to overcome.
Matt Ottinger
"CBSTVCity" <cbst...@aol.com> wrote...
> Despite being #3 in the early morning ratings, CBS still earns a healthy
profit
> from the program.
Similar to the late-night Letterman/Koppel thing. ABC makes money with
Nightline, they just wanted to be in the position to make MORE money.
> In my opinion, CBS should counterprogram 7-9am with a serious, traditional
news
> program... either that or give back the time period to children's
programming
> (Captain Kangaroo). NBC's "Today Show" franchise is just too ingrained in
> American society for a challenger to overcome.
It seems that way now, and it certainly seemed that way back in the
seventies and eighties. But ABC went with "Good Morning, America", and by
1982 it was beating Today in the ratings pretty consistently. In fact, GMA
was the ratings leader for more than a decade after that. Today has
re-established its dominance lately, but there's absolutely no reason to
think that it couldn't be vulnerable again under the right set of
circumstances.
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
John Holder
> Jimmy Murphy <ogee...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> : Actually, there was that abominable "The Morning Program" they tried a
long
> : time ago, with Mariette Hartley and...some other anchor,
Rolland Smith, who's spent the rest of his career in NYC local news (mostly
at WCBS-TV). Abominable is a good word for it, because it couldn't figure
out if it wanted to be a news program, a clone of "Good Morning America",
or...something hosted by Bob Saget. It ended up being a really poor
combination of the three, and as I posted earlier, it lasted less than a
year. Mariette Hartley is an excellent actress, but this wasn't the show
for her.
> with Bob Saget as
> : the so-called weatherman.
>
> The same weatherman who is STILL with CBS today! One Mark McEwan!
As Terry said, McEwen was (and is) the weatherman; Saget was the
announcer/sidekick/comic relief.
John
John Holder
Zach Horan <zach...@aol.com> wrote in message
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People Are Talking was a Westinghouse-created local show format which aired
on most of its owned stations back then -- Oprah Winfrey hosted the one on
WJZ in Baltimore. "PAT" was only one of the reasons game show fans disliked
KYW in the '80s. Back when they were an NBC affiliate (before they were a
CBS-owned station), they frequently pre-empted the network schedule up to as
late as 1:00. Local talk show 10-11, syndicated talk show 11-12, local news
12-12:30, syndicated program 12:30-1 (which is actually where "Jeopardy!"
aired its first season, before going to 7 PM on WPVI and staying there for
17 years now). While some of the NBC afternoon soaps aired at the network's
designated times, games aired at strange times or not at all. Zach
mentioned $otC being completely pre-empted; at one point, while WoF and
Scrabble were on the network at 11 and 11:30, they were on in Philadelphia
at 3 and 3:30 (opposite an extremely popular soap on the extremely popular
ABC station, which means they got terrible ratings and didn't last).
John
Jason Wentworth
Jimmy Murphy wrote:
> "John Holder" <JT...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:a8kbnc$3606$1...@news3.infoave.net...
> > Bryant Gumbel is leaving CBS and his job as host of "The Early Show".
>
> <applause>
>
> Among
> > those being mentioned as a possible replacement is his frequent
> substitute,
> > Tom Bergeron.....
>
> ...whom I think would be a good replacement if CBS wants to revamp the show
> and shift its "hard news" image. If they want to continue the current
> format, he would be a bit out of place.
>
> <snip> the tradition on the
> > CBS/NBC/ABC (but not Fox) morning programs is for the permanent anchors to
> > be newspeople. There was a fair amount of shock in 1982 when NBC
> recruited
> > Gumbel, who was then a (gasp) *sports*caster, to do the "Today" show. So
> I
> > wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Tom to be offered the slot.
>
> Actually, there was that abominable "The Morning Program" they tried a long
> time ago, with Mariette Hartley and...some other anchor, with Bob Saget as
> the so-called weatherman. It was done in front of a live audience and
> everything. I was young when this was on the air, but even then I thought
> it was like watching a train wreck.
A train wreck that I almost got to see in-person at the tender age of 14, when
my Aunt Kay and I had tickets for the live audience. We were too late in
arrival to get in, but we watched the show on TV in a conference room with a
bunch of other late-arrivals...then, after the show, we all got to meet the cast
and have our tickets autographed!
And speaking of which..."The Morning Program" cast consisted of Marriete
Hartley, Rolland Smith, Bob Saget (not the weatherman, BTW) and Mark McEwen.
Doc
Zach Horan
>mentioned $otC being completely pre-empted; at one point, while WoF and
>Scrabble were on the network at 11 and 11:30,
>, they were on in Philadelphia
>at 3 and 3:30 (opposite an extremely popular soap on the extremely popular
>ABC station, which means they got terrible ratings and didn't last).
From January-September 1985, $otC did air at 3PM on KYW. WOF aired at 3:30 from
Jan-March 1985, then moved to 4PM from March 1985-September 1988. When Fall
1985 rolled around, Super Password began airing at 3:30PM, after Scrabble at
3PM. $otC only aired in Philly for the first eight months of 1985.
Curt Alliaume
(CBSTVCity) writes:
>In my opinion, CBS should counterprogram 7-9am with a serious, traditional
>news
>program... either that or give back the time period to children's programming
>(Captain Kangaroo). NBC's "Today Show" franchise is just too ingrained in
>American society for a challenger to overcome.
CBS tried a hard news program before when they expanded Charles Kuralt's
"Sunday Morning" to six days a week back in the 1980s, first with Bob Schieffer
and then Kuralt as host. Flopped. Actually, they've tried just about
everything. But I still think this would be a more logical move for Tom
Bergeron (if he's offered the job) than staying with Squares.
Here's the whole roster from 7 to 9 a.m. on CBS:
3/54-8/54 -- The Morning Show, with Walter Cronkite, Charles Collingwood,
Winston Burdett, Estelle Parsons, Jack Lyman, The Bil and Cora Baird Puppets
8/54-6/55 -- The Morning Show, with Jack Paar, Jose Melis, Pupi Campo and His
Orchestra, Edie Adams, Betty Clooney, Charles Applewhite, Collingwood, and the
Bair Puppets
6/55-7/55 -- The Morning Show, with John Henry Faulk, Collingwood, Merv
Griffin, Sandy Stewart, the Norman Paris Trio
7/55-10/55 -- The Morning Show, with Dick Van Dyke, Jimmy Nelson,
Collingwood/Cronkite, Deborah Douglas
10/55-2/56 -- 7 a.m.: The Morning Show; 8 a.m.: Captain Kangaroo
2/56-4/57 -- 7 a.m.: Good Morning!, with Will Rogers Jr., Ned Calmer, Pamela
Good, and Ginger Stanley; 8 a.m.: Captain Kangaroo
4/57-12/57 -- 7-7:45 a.m.: The Jimmy Dean Show; 8-8:45 a.m.: Captain Kangaroo;
7:45-8 and 8:45-9 a.m.: CBS News with Richard Hottelot
12/57-3/59 -- 7 a.m.: local; 8-8:45 a.m.: Captain Kangaroo; 8:45-9 a.m.: CBS
News with Richard Hottelot
3/59-9/61 -- 7-8:15 a.m.: local; 8:00-8:15 a.m.: CBS News with Richard
Hottelot/Ron Cochran; 8:15-9 a.m.: Captain Kangaroo
10/61-8/65 -- 7 a.m. local; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
8/65-3/69 -- 7-7:05 and 7:30-8 a.m. local; 7:05-7:30 a.m. CBS Morning News with
Mike Wallace/Joseph Benti; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
3/69-8/70 -- 7 a.m. CBS Morning News with Joseph Benti, John Hart, and Hughes
Rudd; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
8/70-8/73 -- 7 a.m. CBS Morning News with John Hart, Hughes Rudd, Bernard
Kalb/Nelson Benton; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
8/73-2/74 -- 7 a.m. CBS Morning News with Sally Quinn and Hughes Rudd; 8 a.m.
Captain Kangaroo
2/74-11/77 -- 7 a.m. CBS Morning News with Hughes Rudd, Ray Gandolf, Bruce
Morton/Lesley Stahl, and Charles Osgood; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
11/77-2/79 -- 7 a.m. CBS Morning News with Richard Threlkeld and Lesley Stahl;
8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
2/79-7/80 -- 7 a.m. Morning with Bob Schieffer; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
7/80-9/81 -- 7 a.m. Morning with Charles Kuralt; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
9/81-1/82 -- 7 a.m. Captain Kangaroo; 7:30 a.m. Morning with Charles Kuralt and
Diane Sawyer
1/82-3/82 -- Morning with Charles Kuralt and Diane Sawyer
3/82-7/84 -- Morning with Bill Kurtis and Diane Sawyer
7/84-9/84 -- Morning with Bill Kurtis and Jane Wallace
9/84-7/85 -- Morning with Bill Kurtis and Phyllis George
7/85-10/85 -- Morning with Bob Schieffer and Phyllis George
10/85-9/86 -- Morning with Forrest Sawyer and Maria Shriver
9/86-1/87 -- Morning with Bruce Morton and Faith Daniels
1/87-11/87 -- 7-7:30 a.m. CBS Early Morning News with Forrest Sawyer and Faith
Daniels; 7:30 a.m. The Morning Program with Rolland Smith, Mariette Hartley,
Mark McEwen, and Bob Saget
11/87-2/90 -- CBS This Morning with Harry Smith and Kathleen Sullivan
2/90-3/96 -- CBS This Morning with Harry Smith and Paula Zahn
3/96-9/99(?) -- CBS This Morning with Jane Robelot and Mark McEwen, and others
(?)
9/99(?)-present -- The Early Show with Bryant Gumbel and Jane Clayson
-- Curt Alliaume
http://www.curtalliaume.com/gameshow.html
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
"Jimmy Murphy" <ogee...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> Actually, there was that abominable "The Morning Program" they tried a
long
> time ago, with Mariette Hartley and...some other anchor, with Bob Saget as
> the so-called weatherman. It was done in front of a live audience and
> everything. I was young when this was on the air, but even then I thought
> it was like watching a train wreck.
This was back in 1987...and Saget was actually a contributor, doing a spot
entitled "This Day In History". The weatherman was Mark McEwen, who later
served in the same capacity on TMP's replacement, CBS This Morning (is he
still aboard for The Early Show?). The co-host on TMP was NY news anchor
Rolland Smith.
And a TVG review of TMP called the latter "hardly worthy of the network that
brought us 'Me and the Chimp'"...'nuff said!
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
> CBS's morning product has never been anything other than last in the
> ratings. It used to be a distant second to "Today", and when ABC launched
> "Good Morning America" in the '70's, it became a distant third to the
other
> two.
Actually, there was a brief time in 1984 when the CBS Morning News moved
into 2nd place of the 3 morning shows, under the anchorship of Bill Kurtis
and Diane Sawyer, but it didn't last long.
And don't get me started on Sally Quinn or Phyllis George...
Chuck Donegan (The Hug-Suggesting-When-Appropriate "Chuckie Baby")
n'Zink
"Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM \(EST\)"
> "John Holder" <JT...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:a8nd38$4o45$1...@news3.infoave.net...
> > CBS's morning product has never been anything other than last in the
> > ratings. It used to be a distant second to "Today", and when ABC launched
> > "Good Morning America" in the '70's, it became a distant third to the
> other
> > two.
>
> Actually, there was a brief time in 1984 when the CBS Morning News moved
> into 2nd place of the 3 morning shows, under the anchorship of Bill Kurtis
> and Diane Sawyer, but it didn't last long.
>
> And don't get me started on Sally Quinn or Phyllis George...
How 'bout a hug, Chuck? :-)
-- David
John Holder
<call...@aol.comeondown> wrote in message
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[snip]
> 2/56-4/57 -- 7 a.m.: Good Morning!, with Will Rogers Jr., Ned Calmer,
Pamela
> Good, and Ginger Stanley;
The highlight of which was that one day, some network programming genius
decided that Rogers (son of the famous "cowboy humorist") should open the
show by riding up a New York street on a horse. Five seconds in, the horse
stopped trotting and emptied his bowels onto Fifth Avenue, on live network
television. Newscaster Calmer, watching on the studio monitor, reacted by
taking the Lord's name in vain *and* uttering the F-word. In the same
sentence. Into an open mike. "Calmer," indeed.
[snip]
> 2/79-7/80 -- 7 a.m. Morning with Bob Schieffer; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
>
> 7/80-9/81 -- 7 a.m. Morning with Charles Kuralt; 8 a.m. Captain Kangaroo
>
> 9/81-1/82 -- 7 a.m. Captain Kangaroo; 7:30 a.m. Morning with Charles
Kuralt and
> Diane Sawyer
>
> 1/82-3/82 -- Morning with Charles Kuralt and Diane Sawyer
These were a weekday companion to Kuralt's "Sunday Morning," which also
launched in February '79. While "Morning" was the collective name of the
show, each day's edition had the appropriate title: Monday Morning, Tuesday
Morning, etc.
> 3/82-7/84 -- Morning with Bill Kurtis and Diane Sawyer
This is when they reformatted the show, dropped the Sunday Morning format on
weekdays, and changed the name back to "The CBS Morning News". Also, in the
summer and fall of 1982, all of the broadcast networks decided to fend off
competition from CNN and CNN Headline News (the latter of which was being
offered to broadcast stations as well as being on cable) by expanding their
own news programming. CBS and NBC went for the post-midnight audience with
"Nightwatch" and "Overnight," respectively, and also started earlier (6 or
6:30 AM) companions to their existing 7 AM shows -- if anyone didn't catch
the tie-in, they were hosted by the same anchors and called "The CBS Early
Morning News" and "Early Today".
> 1/87-11/87 -- 7-7:30 a.m. CBS Early Morning News with Forrest Sawyer and
Faith
> Daniels; 7:30 a.m. The Morning Program with Rolland Smith, Mariette
Hartley,
> Mark McEwen, and Bob Saget
This is the point where the time slot was divided between "news" and
"entertainment". I can't remember if the 7 AM newscast was now called the
"Early Morning" or simply "Morning" News. Daniels also did news cut-in
segments on The Morning Program.
> 11/87-2/90 -- CBS This Morning with Harry Smith and Kathleen Sullivan
CBS News gets the whole two-hour block back. The early newscast is now
definitely called "The CBS Morning News". The two-hour show stayed "CBS
This Morning" until Gumbel took over and it was renamed "The Early Show".
John, who grew up in a CBS News-viewing family...
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
"Curt Alliaume" <call...@aol.comeondown> wrote in message
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> 8/73-2/74 -- 7 a.m. CBS Morning News with Sally Quinn and Hughes Rudd; 8
a.m.
> Captain Kangaroo
Quinn proved to be a bad choice as co-host...during her first week, after a
film on California migrant workers, she quipped that child labor "was how I
felt when my parents made me clean my room"...'nuff said!
> 9/84-7/85 -- Morning with Bill Kurtis and Phyllis George
The latter being another unpolished host...her infamous "hug" suggestion to
Cathy Webb and Gary Dobson (whom the former had imprisoned on false rape
charges) was chosen by TVG as one of TV's 10 all-time worst moments in the
genre's history.
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
> Curt Alliaume gave us a comprehensive look at CBS's morning programming:
>
> <call...@aol.comeondown> wrote in message
> news:20020407143010...@mb-mk.aol.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> > 2/56-4/57 -- 7 a.m.: Good Morning!, with Will Rogers Jr., Ned Calmer,
> Pamela
> > Good, and Ginger Stanley;
>
> The highlight of which was that one day, some network programming genius
> decided that Rogers (son of the famous "cowboy humorist") should open the
> show by riding up a New York street on a horse. Five seconds in, the
horse
> stopped trotting and emptied his bowels onto Fifth Avenue, on live network
> television. Newscaster Calmer, watching on the studio monitor, reacted by
> taking the Lord's name in vain *and* uttering the F-word. In the same
> sentence. Into an open mike. "Calmer," indeed.
LOL...as per Grant Tinker's 1994 book "Tinker In Television", a similar faux
pas occured on Allen Ludden's local NY morning show, which aired on WABC
(Ch. 7) in the mid-50s (Ludden was very popular in the area, playing
sidekick on an afternoon talk show and hosting a Bandstand-type show on WPIX
[Ch. 11]).
The show opened w/a live shot of Allen walking into the studio from outside,
and one morning, Allen somehow missed his cue, so the producers chose to
focus on what happened to be passing down the street at that moment: a dog
out on his morning walk. He then paused, and...well, I think you know what
happened next. :-D
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
"n'Zink" <dzin...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > And don't get me started on Sally Quinn or Phyllis George...
>
> How 'bout a hug, Chuck? :-)
Well, since you never had me falsely arrested for rape... :-)
n'Zink
<y2Ks8.20240$QC1.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Curt Alliaume" <call...@aol.comeondown> wrote in message
> news:20020407143010...@mb-mk.aol.com...
> > 8/73-2/74 -- 7 a.m. CBS Morning News with Sally Quinn and Hughes Rudd; 8
> a.m.
> > Captain Kangaroo
>
> Quinn proved to be a bad choice as co-host...during her first week, after a
> film on California migrant workers, she quipped that child labor "was how I
> felt when my parents made me clean my room"...'nuff said!
And yet she deserves credit for admitting it through her book, "We're
Going to Make You a Star." A great read if you can find a secondhand
copy.
-- DZ
Curt Alliaume
<dzin...@rochester.rr.com> writes:
>> "Curt Alliaume" <call...@aol.comeondown> wrote in message
>> news:20020407143010...@mb-mk.aol.com...
>> > 8/73-2/74 -- 7 a.m. CBS Morning News with Sally Quinn and Hughes Rudd; 8
>> a.m.
>> > Captain Kangaroo
>>
>> Quinn proved to be a bad choice as co-host...during her first week, after a
>> film on California migrant workers, she quipped that child labor "was how I
>> felt when my parents made me clean my room"...'nuff said!
>
>And yet she deserves credit for admitting it through her book, "We're
>Going to Make You a Star." A great read if you can find a secondhand
>copy.
Off topic:
Quinn had come into journalism with no experience whatsoever. An oft-told
story is when she interviewed with Ben Bradlee and Post executive Phil Gueylin
and admitted her complete lack of journalism experience, Gueylin commented,
"Well, nobody's perfect," and hired her anyway. (She married Bradlee in 1978.)
But she developed reporting skills that couldn't possibly have been used on
CBS, getting people to admit things they never would have otherwise. (Henry
Kissinger: "Maxine Cheshire [another Post columnist] makes you want to commit
murder. Sally Quinn, on the other hand, makes you want to commit suicide.")
The Post (and other journalism institutions) were pretty sexist until the
1980s. (Another story from the era has Bradlee escorting an attractive
secretarial candidate through the newsroom, with Carl Bernstein jumping on his
desk yelling "Hire her! Hire her! We'll teach her how to type!") But it's
thought Sally Quinn was deliberately set up to fail at CBS (Lesley Stahl was
first offered the job and turned it down); she also had a 104-degree
temperature her first day on the air.
Mark Jeffries
> Here's the whole roster from 7 to 9 a.m. on CBS:
<snip 40 years of futility at CBS>
> 3/96-9/99(?) -- CBS This Morning with Jane Robelot and Mark McEwen, and others
> (?)
Of which most stations only carried the 8 a.m. hour in its entirety.
CBS allowed stations to carry 10 minutes minimum of the 7 a.m. hour
(usually the news headline segments), and most of the stations that
were already programming local news at 6 a.m. or earlier just extended
their local newscasts to 8 a.m. I believe that there were no national
spots in the 7 a.m. hour, just local spots, in an attempt by CBS to
get affils to carry it in full. Didn't work--and CBS O&O WBBM in
Chicago was one of those stations that ran their local newscast to 8
a.m. instead of carrying the first hour of "This Morning."
Jimmy Murphy
"Mark Jeffries" <mjef...@krw.com> wrote in message
> > 3/96-9/99(?) -- CBS This Morning with Jane Robelot and Mark McEwen, and
others
> > (?)
>
> Of which most stations only carried the 8 a.m. hour in its entirety.
> CBS allowed stations to carry 10 minutes minimum of the 7 a.m. hour
> (usually the news headline segments), and most of the stations that
> were already programming local news at 6 a.m. or earlier just extended
> their local newscasts to 8 a.m. I believe that there were no national
> spots in the 7 a.m. hour, just local spots, in an attempt by CBS to
> get affils to carry it in full. Didn't work--and CBS O&O WBBM in
> Chicago was one of those stations that ran their local newscast to 8
> a.m. instead of carrying the first hour of "This Morning."
I think my local affiliate would win the prize for the most ridiculous
treatment of this program. Rather then airing it from 7-9am, they air local
news at 7, then air the Early Show in its entirety from 8-10am on an hour's
tape delay. Not only do you have to keep in mind that their time
announcements are wrong ("It's not 7:25, it's really 8:25!") but their
"live, late-breaking" stories are actually an hour old. Given what happened
during the morning news shows on 9/11, the tape delay looked even more
stupid.
---Jimmy
Matt Ottinger
"Mark Jeffries" <mjef...@krw.com> wrote...
> call...@aol.comeondown (Curt Alliaume) wrote...
> > 3/96-9/99(?) -- CBS This Morning with Jane Robelot and Mark McEwen, and
others
The original male co-anchor was Jose Diaz-Belart. McEwen was given equal
billing, but was clearly the weather-sidekick. It was also CBS's first use
of Dr. Emily Senay, a familiar face to those of you waiting to see who wins
the Showcase each morning.
> Of which most stations only carried the 8 a.m. hour in its entirety.
> CBS allowed stations to carry 10 minutes minimum of the 7 a.m. hour
> (usually the news headline segments), and most of the stations that
> were already programming local news at 6 a.m. or earlier just extended
> their local newscasts to 8 a.m. I believe that there were no national
> spots in the 7 a.m. hour, just local spots, in an attempt by CBS to
> get affils to carry it in full. Didn't work--and CBS O&O WBBM in
> Chicago was one of those stations that ran their local newscast to 8
> a.m. instead of carrying the first hour of "This Morning."
This was the period when I anchored our CBS affiliate's morning news. CBS's
stated goal was to create a dramatic new concept that would appeal to the
affiliates, a "wheel" of alternating national and local segments so that (in
theory) the 7am hour would be equal parts CBS and local programming. Many
midsize stations (like ours) went along with the CBS plan, but smaller
markets without their own morning presence just took the entire CBS hour,
and bigger stations just blew it off and ran their own local shows which
were far more profitable anyway.
The "wheel" approach was a dismal failure and IIRC didn't last a year. Jose
was demoted to field reporter soon after as well. My memory was that
Robelot didn't last three years, but I don't have any idea what CBS did in
the interim.
Gumbel's legacy for "The Early Show" will be that CBS finally came up with a
high-profile program that brought a lot more affiliates on board for the
entire two hours, which naturally makes the time period a lot more
profitable for the network.
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
"Curt Alliaume" <call...@aol.comeondown> wrote in message
> The Post (and other journalism institutions) were pretty sexist until the
> 1980s. (Another story from the era has Bradlee escorting an attractive
> secretarial candidate through the newsroom, with Carl Bernstein jumping on
his
> desk yelling "Hire her! Hire her! We'll teach her how to type!") But
it's
> thought Sally Quinn was deliberately set up to fail at CBS (Lesley Stahl
was
> first offered the job and turned it down); she also had a 104-degree
> temperature her first day on the air.
Indeed...and the day after that, co-anchor Hughes Rudd's mother died...not a
good week for either of them, or CBS for that matter...
Gene Platt
> I think my local affiliate would win the prize for the most ridiculous
> treatment of this program. Rather then airing it from 7-9am, they air
local
> news at 7, then air the Early Show in its entirety from 8-10am on an
hour's
> tape delay. Not only do you have to keep in mind that their time
> announcements are wrong ("It's not 7:25, it's really 8:25!") but their
> "live, late-breaking" stories are actually an hour old. Given what
happened
> during the morning news shows on 9/11, the tape delay looked even more
> stupid.
Most stations not on the East Coast have these shows on tape delay anyway,
it's no big deal. I'm in a market where all three network morning shows
work that way. You get used to it. Of course, for us they're at least
right when they say "it's 7:25" but whatever.
Proud Uncle of Carole Ann Since 1/16/02, 10:31 AM (EST)
others
> > (?)
>
> Of which most stations only carried the 8 a.m. hour in its entirety.
> CBS allowed stations to carry 10 minutes minimum of the 7 a.m. hour
> (usually the news headline segments), and most of the stations that
> were already programming local news at 6 a.m. or earlier just extended
> their local newscasts to 8 a.m. I believe that there were no national
> spots in the 7 a.m. hour, just local spots, in an attempt by CBS to
> get affils to carry it in full. Didn't work--and CBS O&O WBBM in
> Chicago was one of those stations that ran their local newscast to 8
> a.m. instead of carrying the first hour of "This Morning."
When an O&O decides not to carry a network show, be it in part or wholly,
that's definitely a bad sign...
Jim Ellwanger
<eVju8.23990$Rw2.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, EST\
<Cyber...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> "Mark Jeffries" <mjef...@krw.com> wrote in message
> news:912f7b90.02041...@posting.google.com...
> > ...and CBS O&O WBBM in Chicago was one of those stations that ran
> > their local newscast to 8 a.m. instead of carrying the first hour
> > of "This Morning."
>
> When an O&O decides not to carry a network show, be it in part or wholly,
> that's definitely a bad sign...
WBBM also only carried half of "Family Feud" in 1992-93.
However, I'd argue that, in those days, not carrying (most of) the
first hour of "CBS This Morning" was the equivalent of not carrying the
last five minutes of every half-hour of the "Today" show, and as far as
I know, all the NBC O&O's pre-empt that with local news, at least on
weekdays.
--
Jim Ellwanger <trai...@mindspring.com>
<http://trainman1.home.mindspring.com/> will never give up.
"Everything looks beautiful when you're young and pretty."
John Holder
news:140420021437066837%trai...@mindspring.com...
> However, I'd argue that, in those days, not carrying (most of) the
> first hour of "CBS This Morning" was the equivalent of not carrying the
> last five minutes of every half-hour of the "Today" show, and as far as
> I know, all the NBC O&O's pre-empt that with local news, at least on
> weekdays.
Virtually every network station or affiliate with a local news department
cuts away from the network morning show for the five-minute local updates.
That's a long-standing part of the format, although the network show does a
few minutes of informal small talk in that slot for the few viewers who
might be watching them on stations with no local news. But CBS's experiment
with a largely-local first hour was in response to the fact that the ratings
for "This Morning" were so bad that many of the affiliates were threatening
to dump it altogether (as some did); this way, at least, they could keep a
little network revenue coming in during the 7 AM hour, even if the
larger-market stations (including network O&Os) opted to carry mostly local
news.
John