The Kenny Williams story
Phoebe9294
was surprised to hear his voice amid the circus of announcers on "Two for the
Money" quite some time earlier. What else can anyone tell me about him? I've
seen websites on Johnny Olson so I have basic info on him, but dead nothing on
Williams.
"The toughest spot in show business is to the left of Peggy Cass."
-- Gene Shalit batting cleanup for the Pegster on "To Tell the Truth" (1972)
jeho...@yahoo.com
by Heatter/Quigley, including The Celebrity Game, Funny You Should Ask,
High Rollers, and To Say the Least, in addition to Hollywood Squares,
and he appeared on camera as Kenny the Cop in both Video Village and
Shenanigans. I think his last announcing job was in 1981 for Las Vegas
Gambit, which was also the last game show produced by Heatter/Quigley
before Quigley retired. Another ATGSer has told me that he died in
1984, but I have found no confirmation of this date anywhere on the Net.
I have read that he began his announcing career on radio in 1949, and
his television career goes back nearly that far, including shows like
Two for the Money.
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Squares on the same day....6/20/80...I have both eps. :) Cat
Matt (Rayburnfan) Kaiser
>
> Kenny Williams was the announcer for the majority of game shows produced
> by Heatter/Quigley, including The Celebrity Game, Funny You Should Ask,
> High Rollers, and To Say the Least, in addition to Hollywood Squares,
> and he appeared on camera as Kenny the Cop in both Video Village and
> Shenanigans.
One more thing to add. He was a "town crier" on Storybook Squares, and
appeared on camera.
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Card Shark
the extremely brief clip of Casino. What made it so bad? I know it has
been discussed before on this newsgroup. Why did only one episode air
on NBC and when was this?
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ROBDON33
>1984, but I have found no confirmation of this date anywhere on the Net.
That ATGSer is correct. Williams died around the same time Jack Barry passed
away...mid 1984 or so.
Rob
ROBDON33
>Gambit, which was also the last game show produced by Heatter/Quigley
>before Quigley retired.
In all acutality, the last game show Williams announced on was Casino, which
was also the last Heatter-Quigley produced game show. It is also the biggest
daytime game show flop in television history, having aired only one day on some
stations.
The host of Casino deserved much better than this (hint: aces are high, deuces
are low). ;)
Rob
Paul Duca
ROBDON33 wrote:
They killed Kenny! YOU BASTARDS!
Paul Duca
jeho...@my-deja.com
> In all acutality, the last game show Williams
announced on was Casino, which
> was also the last Heatter-Quigley produced game
show. It is also the biggest
> daytime game show flop in television history,
having aired only one day on some
> stations.
Is there any record of Casino as far as when it
was on and which network, if any? I've never seen
Casino, nor have I read about it in EOTVGS.
Card Shark
the topic has picked up again, I'll ask again. I saw the movie
Videodrome a few weeks ago, with the specific intent of seeing the clip
from Casino. From what I understand, this was to air on NBC after Card
Sharks ended. Why did only one or two episodes air? Was it that bad?
What's the story behind it?
Randy Amasia
Card Shark <Card_...@4u.net> wrote in message
news:000b8d9b...@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com...
> I've asked this question before a few weeks ago, but I
figured now that
> the topic has picked up again, I'll ask again. I saw the
movie
> Videodrome a few weeks ago, with the specific intent of
seeing the clip
> from Casino. From what I understand, this was to air on
NBC after Card
> Sharks ended. Why did only one or two episodes air? Was it
that bad?
> What's the story behind it?
I have a hunch its airing was a mistake, because the Monday
following the end of NBC Card Sharks, KNBC aired
Battlestars; indeed, following the Card Sharks listing on
Friday, TV Guide mentioned the debut of Battlestars.
Moreover, it takes quite a few weeks set up for a new game
show -- in larger companies, staff had to be assigned,
studio time booked, contestants need to be selected, and, in
the case of Battlestars, celebrities have to be booked.
Sometimes a new set has to be built (I got to watch the
Chain Reaction set progress), sometimes a new host has to be
auditioned and rehearsed.
To call Casino a flop is unfair to both the production
company and Jim Perry. But I rather doubt that Jim Perry
winces or even gives a damn when someone mentions it,
though.
--
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Zach Horan
>was on and which network, if any? I've never seen
>Casino, nor have I read about it in EOTVGS.
It aired for one or two episodes in 1981 or so on NBC. Some posts say 13 eps.
were made, and one pilot or something turned up in syndication at that time.
Jekalb329
Sharks" (Goodson-Todman) was canceled and around the same day "Las Vegas
Gambit" (another H/Q show hosted by Wink Martindale) was canceled.
Jim Perry was tapped as host and announced by Kenny Williams (his last game
show and probably rolled over in his grave after that).
CASINO's premise was where two contestant had to beat the dealer (Jim Perry) in
blackjack (a la Gambit), video poker (a la TPiR), roulette (a la Wheel of
Fortune), and craps (a la Big Showdown and High Rollers) in order to win money.
You had to answer a general knowledge trivia question in order to determine
which game you were to play. The bonus game was the slot machine (a la Joker's
Wild).
Let's say the show didn't make it past the pilot and first episode for these
reasons (in no particular order):
This is probably also why CASINO is not mentioned in the history books.
(1) Jim Perry felt uncomfortable hosting this show & was depressed after Card
Sharks canceled. Rumor had it that he went on a drinking binge. However, we
all know Jim would bounce back with $ale Of The Century. Jim felt stupid that
he would get beat all the time in these games.
(2) Pitting a show against The Price is Right is never a good idea even by
today's standards.
(3) Merv Griffin once said, "If you can't explain a game show's objective in
one sentence, it will never work."
(3½) CASINO was poorly produced. It seemed like the producers just got a bunch
of game show ideas and threw them together.
(4) Merrill Heatter and Bob Quigley were in the process of splitting their
partnership. Things were really tense at that time.
(5) H/Q Productions was in SERIOUS financial trouble at the time. We saw the
demise of Hollywood Squares, LV Gambit, and several other forgotten flops when
the 80's rolled around.
(6) Thirteen episodes of CASINO were made. Only the first one aired as
syndication. But the only cities (about 8 (not sure which ones)) that made
clearance were NBC affiliates. The pilot episode was shown before NBC
executives and they were not impressed. ABC was looking to get away from game
shows despite "Family Feud" popularity at the time. CBS just wasn't interested
in the show despite the obvious reasons.
Note: THE 13 EPISODES OF CASINO ARE DESTROYED! (done sometime around 1985 when
Merv Griffin wanted the Chuck Woolery episodes of "Wheel of Fortune" gone) The
CASINO tapes literally collected dust.
My ex-fiance's uncle Phillip was on the 13th episode (which never aired) and he
had a $23,000 streak going until he lost it all on blackjack. Phil had a soft
20 (ace and a nine) while Jim had a blackjack (ace and a jack). Jim was so
sorry he wanted to cry. Phil swore during taping (and you thought Press Your
Luck contest Jim Hess was bad) that Jim had an Ace card hidden behind the
other. Phil literally wanted to beat the crap out of Jim. Even to this day,
Phil is a big hothead and that episode remains a thorn in his side. He's now in
his early fifties, never been married, and as far as I know, still a virgin.
Phil was unemployed for well over a decade and lost over three million dollars
due to gambling on horses, sports games, and in Nevada casinos. On the show,
Phil said he was a "professional gambler." But Phil's head is now cooled to the
fact that no one will ever see it. But he's one bad-ass gambler/casino player
to this day.
I once HAD about that episode of Casino that aired in Amarillo in 1981.
However, (about 8 or 9 years later) I recorded over it with the movie "No Holds
Barred" starring Hulk Hogan in addition to WWF's Prime Time Wrestling (now
known as Raw is War). And, in conclusion, that tape got chewed up my VCR not
too long ago.
BudMann9
work.]]
A-ha. Well said.
[[ CASINO was poorly produced. It seemed like the producers just got a bunch
of game show ideas and threw them together. ]]
Heh-heh. Lol.
[[ I once HAD about that episode of Casino that aired in Amarillo in 1981.
However, (about 8 or 9 years later) I recorded over it with the movie "No Holds
Barred" starring Hulk Hogan in addition to WWF's Prime Time Wrestling (now
known as Raw is War). And, in conclusion, that tape got chewed up my VCR not
too long ago. ]]
HAHAHahaah Oh my god. Lolllllll.
Jake Tanner
>This is probably also why CASINO is not mentioned in the history books.
>
>(1) Jim Perry felt uncomfortable hosting this show & was depressed after Card
>Sharks canceled. Rumor had it that he went on a drinking binge. However, we
>all know Jim would bounce back with $ale Of The Century. Jim felt stupid that
>he would get beat all the time in these games.
You have made this allegation on various occasions and I have never
seen you give the slightest bit of evidence to back them up. Please
tell me how you know that Jim was uncomfortable on this show. Please
tell me how you know that he was depressed after the Card Sharks
cancellation. I'm sorry but Jim Perry is a professional and I am
quite sure that he knew that cancellation was part of the business.
Now you throw in allegations that he went on a drinking binge? Please
substantiate that! And you think Jim would feel stupid that he would
get beat in those games? Why would he? That is how the game is
played! In fact, I am sure he would be thrilled to lose because he
would know that the contestants would be the winners!
>(3) Merv Griffin once said, "If you can't explain a game show's objective in
>one sentence, it will never work."
If I am not mistaken, that was Mark Goodson who said that...
>(3½) CASINO was poorly produced. It seemed like the producers just got a bunch
>of game show ideas and threw them together.
Please give evidence of poor production values in this case...
>(4) Merrill Heatter and Bob Quigley were in the process of splitting their
>partnership. Things were really tense at that time.
Although they might have been in the process of splitting the
partnership, once again, please provide evidence of things being
"really tense"...
>(5) H/Q Productions was in SERIOUS financial trouble at the time. We saw the
>demise of Hollywood Squares, LV Gambit, and several other forgotten flops when
>the 80's rolled around.
Once again, please provide evidence...
>(6) Thirteen episodes of CASINO were made. Only the first one aired as
>syndication. But the only cities (about 8 (not sure which ones)) that made
>clearance were NBC affiliates. The pilot episode was shown before NBC
>executives and they were not impressed. ABC was looking to get away from game
>shows despite "Family Feud" popularity at the time. CBS just wasn't interested
>in the show despite the obvious reasons.
What "obvious reasons" would make CBS hesitant to air the show? And
can you provide the source you have who verified that only 13 episodes
were made?
>Note: THE 13 EPISODES OF CASINO ARE DESTROYED! (done sometime around 1985 when
>Merv Griffin wanted the Chuck Woolery episodes of "Wheel of Fortune" gone) The
>CASINO tapes literally collected dust.
Blah blah blah...yak yak yak...unsubstantiated rumor...
>My ex-fiance's uncle Phillip was on the 13th episode (which never aired) and he
>had a $23,000 streak going until he lost it all on blackjack. Phil had a soft
>20 (ace and a nine) while Jim had a blackjack (ace and a jack). Jim was so
>sorry he wanted to cry. Phil swore during taping (and you thought Press Your
>Luck contest Jim Hess was bad) that Jim had an Ace card hidden behind the
>other. Phil literally wanted to beat the crap out of Jim. Even to this day,
>Phil is a big hothead and that episode remains a thorn in his side. He's now in
>his early fifties, never been married, and as far as I know, still a virgin.
>Phil was unemployed for well over a decade and lost over three million dollars
>due to gambling on horses, sports games, and in Nevada casinos. On the show,
>Phil said he was a "professional gambler." But Phil's head is now cooled to the
>fact that no one will ever see it. But he's one bad-ass gambler/casino player
>to this day.
There are just so many things in this paragraph that are disturbing
and stupid that it doesn't even warrant going further with it...
>I once HAD about that episode of Casino that aired in Amarillo in 1981.
>However, (about 8 or 9 years later) I recorded over it with the movie "No Holds
>Barred" starring Hulk Hogan in addition to WWF's Prime Time Wrestling (now
>known as Raw is War). And, in conclusion, that tape got chewed up my VCR not
>too long ago.
Yup...and we all know what was in Al Capone's vaults...
Hey, have you ever considered a job with the National Enquirer? You
seem very comfortable with communicating rumors as truth and where
rumors don't exist, you simply make things up to make a good story...
Jake
Curt Alliaume
Tanner) writes:
>On 30 Oct 1999 05:31:21 GMT, jeka...@aol.com (Jekalb329) wrote:
<snip>
>Hey, have you ever considered a job with the National Enquirer? You
>seem very comfortable with communicating rumors as truth and where
>rumors don't exist, you simply make things up to make a good story...
And please don't consider coming to me at St. Martin's Press with a book
proposal on this either. We've had enough trouble over the last couple of
weeks.
Seriously, if there's new information to be had on a program, please cite the
source of your story, rather than posting on the basis of "rumor has it." Like
all newsgroups, ATGS stays in the archives of Deja.com, and more people may be
lurking here (or checking Deja.com) due to the recent resurgence. I would hate
to see this group's credibility be shattered.
And since Casino has never been listed in EOTVGS (even if it only aired once,
it *should* be listed), does anyone here know the *true* story?
-- Curt Alliaume
----------------------
Game Shows '75
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/2827/gameshow.html
Randy Amasia
news:19991030095623...@ngol01.aol.com...
>
> And please don't consider coming to me at St. Martin's
Press with a book
> proposal on this either. We've had enough trouble over
the last couple of
> weeks.
Feeling a bit amBUSHed? :-D
ROBDON33
>it *should* be listed), does anyone here know the *true* story?
Well, the only ones that would know the real story behind CASINO would be
Merrill Heater, who wont say anything about it, and Jim Perry, who made
reference to this flop in the past.
But no one will ever know the real story behind Casino, and Heatter and Perry
would probably prefer to put that part of their past behind them. Jackie
Gleason may have made apologies for his biggest game show flop with YOU'RE IN
THE PICTURE, but Perry owed apologies for the CASINO flop to no one. He came
back with $ALE OF THE CENTURY and kept it on television almost twice as long as
CARD SHARKS.
:)
Jekalb329
encyclopedia/almanac, but it's probably because the show never got picked up by
a network and/or did not receive much clearance to air nationally.
Jim Perry had no reason to apologize for CASINO (a la Jackie Gleason's "You're
in the Picture") because it was not his fault that the show SUCKED!
Like one member said, the only ones that would know the real story behind
CASINO would be Merrill Heater, who won't say anything about it, and Jim Perry,
who made reference to this flop in the past.
In 1981, it was obvious, at that time, that HQ Production was in financial
trouble. Nearly all their good shows were canceled and their tapes were getting
destroyed by the network (shame on them for deep-sixing "Hollywood Squares" and
"Gambit").
CASINO was a poorly produced show and Jim looked uncomfortable according to the
tape copy I had until I recorded over it with a Hulk Hogan movie and WWF
Wrestling. Like game shows, I will always be a fan of professional wrestling
and almost all my game show tapes got recorded over as such.
My source in reference to CASINO is my ex-fiance's uncle Phillip Martin, who
was a contestant on the 13th episode. He lost all his earnings on the show and
ended up with a piece of crap clock radio. Every sentence Phil said on the
second half of that particular episode had at least one cuss word in it.
Months after his appearance, Phillip called NBC and HQ Productions about CASINO
and why it never aired and he was told that CASINO was not picked up by NBC
because they didn't think it would help them ratings-wise and NBC thought the
show sucked. Well, putting it against The Price is Right won't help matters
either. NBC also had a verbal sparring session about Phil's cussing tirade. All
the more reason the show'd never air.
It was nearly 20 years ago and even so, Phil is not a really reliable source.
He is a 51-year-old Dallas city bus driver who's never been married or laid. I
don't think he's ever had a girlfriend. He lived with his parents until he was
almost 40 (they kicked him out because he wouldn't get a job). But, he's still
an alcoholic gambling addict as well as a total loser.
On a side note, CORRECTION: it was Mark Goodson (not Merv Griffin) who once
said, "If a game show's objective can not be said in one sentence, it will
never work."
Jake Tanner
>It might not be the "true" story as to why CASINO isn't in the game show
>encyclopedia/almanac, but it's probably because the show never got picked up by
>a network and/or did not receive much clearance to air nationally.
But if the story isn't true, WHY POST IT???
>Like one member said, the only ones that would know the real story behind
>CASINO would be Merrill Heater, who won't say anything about it, and Jim Perry,
>who made reference to this flop in the past.
Yet you posted your novel, suggesting you knew everything about the
failure of the show and Jim Perry's feelings about it.
>In 1981, it was obvious, at that time, that HQ Production was in financial
>trouble. Nearly all their good shows were canceled and their tapes were getting
>destroyed by the network (shame on them for deep-sixing "Hollywood Squares" and
>"Gambit").
Nothing is obvious...unless you were on staff at HQ, you'd know
nothing about the condition of their company. Many companies faced
cancellations but that doesn't mean that they were in financial
trouble. And what the hell does the alleged tape destruction have to
do with financial stability?
>CASINO was a poorly produced show and Jim looked uncomfortable according to the
>tape copy I had until I recorded over it with a Hulk Hogan movie and WWF
>Wrestling. Like game shows, I will always be a fan of professional wrestling
>and almost all my game show tapes got recorded over as such.
Actually, I have basically no belief whatsoever that you had this show
on tape. Also, I strongly doubt that even if it were poorly produced
that you would be able to tell the difference. Again, I will repeat.
Jim Perry is a professional. I seriously doubt that he would allow
himself to look even remotely uncomfortable while doing his job.
>My source in reference to CASINO is my ex-fiance's uncle Phillip Martin, who
>was a contestant on the 13th episode. He lost all his earnings on the show and
>ended up with a piece of crap clock radio. Every sentence Phil said on the
>second half of that particular episode had at least one cuss word in it.
>
>Months after his appearance, Phillip called NBC and HQ Productions about CASINO
>and why it never aired and he was told that CASINO was not picked up by NBC
>because they didn't think it would help them ratings-wise and NBC thought the
>show sucked. Well, putting it against The Price is Right won't help matters
>either. NBC also had a verbal sparring session about Phil's cussing tirade. All
>the more reason the show'd never air.
>
>It was nearly 20 years ago and even so, Phil is not a really reliable source.
>He is a 51-year-old Dallas city bus driver who's never been married or laid. I
>don't think he's ever had a girlfriend. He lived with his parents until he was
>almost 40 (they kicked him out because he wouldn't get a job). But, he's still
>an alcoholic gambling addict as well as a total loser.
Not to suggest that you ever had the least bit of credibility
beforehand, but these above 3 paragraphs say it all. You are trying
to make statements of fact based on ridiculous stories told to you by
an aging alcoholic sexually-frustrated bus driver Let me see how many
total fabrications I can find:
1> The producers of the show would not have allowed the alleged
behavior that "Phil" suggests...very clearly, they would have stopped
tape and removed him from the set and replaced him with another
contestant.
2> If "Phil" had truly contacted HQ about the show, not only do I
doubt that anyone in any real position of authority would have spoken
to him (especially after his alleged obscene behavior while taping), I
seriously doubt they would have said anything more than NBC chose to
pass on the show. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that they
would have given him reasons that you mention.
3> Do you make it a habit to know the most intimate details of your
relative's sex lives? How would you ever know if the man has ever had
sex or not? Personally, if he truly is an alcoholic gambling addict,
I suspect he's had a ton of sex...just probably doesn't remember that
much about it.
I will give you credit for one statement...you suggest that he is a
loser...that is clearly one thing about him that must run in the
family. Only a loser would listen to crap like this and then try to
pass it off as fact.
>On a side note, CORRECTION: it was Mark Goodson (not Merv Griffin) who once
>said, "If a game show's objective can not be said in one sentence, it will
>never work."
Damn...if you are going to try to slip in a fact within all your
gossip and rumor, make sure you know who to attribute it to. I can't
keep coming up behind you to make corrections...
Jake
ROBDON33
>Jim Perry is a professional. I seriously doubt that he would allow
>himself to look even remotely uncomfortable while doing his job.
You said it better than anybody. What's even more interesting about this is
Peter Tomarken was also approached a year or so later on another CASINO
project. Fortunately for Pete, he turned it down in favor of PRESS YOUR LUCK.
Soon, with all these big-money game shows returning, we may see both Tomarken
and Perry back on television. In this business, never say never.
In the words of Bob Eubanks... we never say goodbye, all we say is... see you
next time. ;)
Matt Ottinger
> jeka...@aol.com (Jekalb329) wrote:
>
> >CASINO was a poorly produced show and Jim looked uncomfortable according to the
> >tape copy I had until I recorded over it with a Hulk Hogan movie and WWF
> >Wrestling. Like game shows, I will always be a fan of professional wrestling
> >and almost all my game show tapes got recorded over as such.
You want us to believe that you recorded this copy back in the early eighties, held
onto it for over a decade, knew it was extremely rare, BUT recorded over it for a
chance to preserve the thespian skills of Terry Hogan, which you can rent at the
corner store for a buck?
You're either lying or you're a shortsighted idiot, and either way, you get a big
"YOU FOOL!" from Gilbert and me.
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
David Zinkin
of Casino on tape, and I know they're real because I called David Schwartz
and he told me!
-- Mr. CNR
In article 381C5A93...@acd.net, Matt Ottinger at otti...@acd.net
wrote on 10/31/99 10:04 AM:
Matt Ottinger
Jake Tanner wrote:
> >Knowing about Jim Perry like we do, I think he felt, "destroy this show and
> >never look at it again!" And I believe all parties involved would agree to it.
>
> Dude, there are only two of us who can even claim "knowing" Jim Perry
> in any possible way. That would be Randy Amasia since he interned on
> "Card Sharks" and Matt Ottinger since he appeared on "$ale Of The
> Century"...and I think they would agree that even their association
> with him would be so slight that they don't know much (if anything)
> about him.
Um, he's really, really tall...
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
Tim Wuthrich
news:381D06CF...@acd.net...
> > Dude, there are only two of us who can even claim "knowing" Jim Perry
> > in any possible way. That would be Randy Amasia since he interned on
> > "Card Sharks" and Matt Ottinger since he appeared on "$ale Of The
> > Century"...and I think they would agree that even their association
> > with him would be so slight that they don't know much (if anything)
> > about him.
>
> Um, he's really, really tall...
WAM...was Jim really 61 when he started CS?
--Jason Wuthrich
Randy Amasia
Terry Knab <tk...@nyx.net> wrote in message
news:9414285...@iris.nyx.net...
> Jekalb329 <jeka...@aol.com> wrote:
> : CASINO, an H/Q production, aired around November 1981
shortly after "Card
> : Sharks" (Goodson-Todman) was canceled and around the
same day "Las Vegas
> : Gambit" (another H/Q show hosted by Wink Martindale) was
canceled.
>
final couple of weeks
> of LVG were repeats.. I'd be willing to bet that Casino
was being readied
> to go on the air, but when NBC figured out how bad it was,
they just said
> screw it and put Regis on instead.
Regis? Huh?
I will say it again - it takes several weeks to get a new
game show ready for air;
moreover, the network/syndicator/what-have-you needs to
provide cancellation to the producer(s) of the show(s)
leaving the air, that they can stop auditioning new
contestants, figure out if staff needs to be re-assigned or
laid off, what-have-you.
Finally, consider this: very seldom is a show bought on
concept alone; at the very least, someone with
decision-making authority has seen a live run-through. More
likely than not, a pilot was shot. In the case of NBC,
there's an excellent chance that it was audience reaction
tested by my (then) employer.
In sum, thanks to the miracle of videotape recording, you
don't just yank a game show, just like you don't just yank a
soap opera.
--
Randy Amasia
The limp-wristed overlord of GS-L
---
http://www.geocities.com/randy_amasia
and http://www.geocities.com/aidswall/
-----
Everything must go!
( )
Randy Amasia
>
> > >Knowing about Jim Perry like we do, I think he felt,
"destroy this show and
> > >never look at it again!" And I believe all parties
involved would agree to it.
> >
"knowing" Jim Perry
> > in any possible way. That would be Randy Amasia since
he interned on
> > "Card Sharks" and Matt Ottinger since he appeared on
"$ale Of The
> > Century"...and I think they would agree that even their
association
> > with him would be so slight that they don't know much
(if anything)
> > about him.
>
> Um, he's really, really tall...
And he drove a green MG.
Jekalb329
UNCLE!
HE WAS, IS, AND NEVER WILL BE ANY RELATION TO ME (PRAISE THE LORD)! But when
Phil called NBC and H/Q, they told him (in a roundabout way) that CASINO didn't
air because they felt the pilot sucked and chose not to pick it up fearing it
would hurt NBC's ratings.
Knowing about Jim Perry like we do, I think he felt, "destroy this show and
never look at it again!" And I believe all parties involved would agree to it.
Another thing, if you lose your business partner (Quigley left Heatter) and
your best shows are getting canceled left and right, common sense ought to tell
you that things are really tense. Many businesses tend to lose money in this
situation.
Second, NBC stated their displeasure in Phil's cussing tirade. He did it toward
the end of the show so there was no chance of replacing him with another
contestant without screwing the production up. Had NBC picked up CASINO, that
particular episode probably wouldn't have aired or would've had many edits done
to it.
My aunt recorded the show and when she died, my immediate family got the tapes.
She had a ton of stuff on them: game shows (CASINO included as well as Woolery
"WoF", Hollywood Squares, Joker's Wild), soap operas, drama shows, newscasts,
etc.
I didn't know or care, at the time, the "rarity" of CASINO and since I was, and
still am, a pro wrestling fan,. I recorded oven them with several WWF shows.
Love him or hate him, Hulk Hogan IS the Michael Jordan and Joe Montana of
professional wrestling and it's more popular now than ever before.
Jake Tanner
>First off, Phillip Martin, the contestant on CASINO, was MY EX-GIRLFRIEND'S
>UNCLE!
>HE WAS, IS, AND NEVER WILL BE ANY RELATION TO ME (PRAISE THE LORD)! But when
>Phil called NBC and H/Q, they told him (in a roundabout way) that CASINO didn't
>air because they felt the pilot sucked and chose not to pick it up fearing it
>would hurt NBC's ratings.
Ya know? You and Phillip might not be blood relations but his
stupidity has seemed to rub off on you. Might lead to a medical study
to examine the effect of in-laws (or almost in-laws) on gullible
children. They might even name a mental condition after you.
And I will repeat...there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that
Phillip was told ANYTHING like what you are suggesting. That would be
an unprofessional thing to do and since Phillip was clearly a peon in
their book, why would they care to share intimate info with him?
>Knowing about Jim Perry like we do, I think he felt, "destroy this show and
>never look at it again!" And I believe all parties involved would agree to it.
Dude, there are only two of us who can even claim "knowing" Jim Perry
in any possible way. That would be Randy Amasia since he interned on
"Card Sharks" and Matt Ottinger since he appeared on "$ale Of The
Century"...and I think they would agree that even their association
with him would be so slight that they don't know much (if anything)
about him...as for the rest of us, we have only seen an on-screen
persona. That doesn't give us even the remotest inkling of what Jim
Perry is like off-camera. Neither you, I or anyone else here has ANY
idea of how Jim Perry felt after the taping of "CASINO"...
>Another thing, if you lose your business partner (Quigley left Heatter) and
>your best shows are getting canceled left and right, common sense ought to tell
>you that things are really tense. Many businesses tend to lose money in this
>situation.
Many business partnerships are dissolved amicably with no tension
whatsoever. Often times, one partner is ready to retire. Also, in
many of these cases, these situations breathe new life and money into
a company. You should watch what you assume without having true
details.
>Second, NBC stated their displeasure in Phil's cussing tirade. He did it toward
>the end of the show so there was no chance of replacing him with another
>contestant without screwing the production up. Had NBC picked up CASINO, that
>particular episode probably wouldn't have aired or would've had many edits done
>to it.
PURE HERESAY!!! Also, you show that you know NOTHING about how TV
production is done. If a contestant is disrupting the taping with his
behavior, the production is already screwed up and they would not
hesitate to stop tape and replace him. There is no reason for them
not to. If they couldn't air the episode due to his behavior, there
would be no reason for them to continue his taping. There are always
alternate contestants on the sidelines just waiting for a situation
like this.
>My aunt recorded the show and when she died, my immediate family got the tapes.
>She had a ton of stuff on them: game shows (CASINO included as well as Woolery
>"WoF", Hollywood Squares, Joker's Wild), soap operas, drama shows, newscasts,
>etc.
>
>I didn't know or care, at the time, the "rarity" of CASINO and since I was, and
>still am, a pro wrestling fan,. I recorded oven them with several WWF shows.
Plain and simple, I don't believe you. Your post hasn't had the least
bit of credibility up to this point so I seriously doubt that you had
these other things on tape either.
>Love him or hate him, Hulk Hogan IS the Michael Jordan and Joe Montana of
>professional wrestling and it's more popular now than ever before.
You're showing that you've clearly been sharing the hooch with old
almost-uncle Phil...Michael Jordan and Joe Montana are skilled
athletes...Hulk Hogan is a hack actor in a hack fake sport. No
comparison.
Get a life...get a brain...get a new newsgroup...your lies and rumors
are too boring for you to remain here...
Jake
Terry Knab
: CASINO, an H/Q production, aired around November 1981 shortly after "Card
: Sharks" (Goodson-Todman) was canceled and around the same day "Las Vegas
: Gambit" (another H/Q show hosted by Wink Martindale) was canceled.
Casino could well explain why it was rumored that the final couple of weeks
of LVG were repeats.. I'd be willing to bet that Casino was being readied
to go on the air, but when NBC figured out how bad it was, they just said
screw it and put Regis on instead.
This is PURE speculation, but some of the things I've seen do add up.
: (4) Merrill Heatter and Bob Quigley were in the process of splitting their
: partnership. Things were really tense at that time.
: (5) H/Q Productions was in SERIOUS financial trouble at the time. We saw the
: demise of Hollywood Squares, LV Gambit, and several other forgotten flops when
: the 80's rolled around.
Which could also explain why LVG may have been sunk to repeats. (If the
producers had no money, they were better off going to reruns until they
could figure out what to do)
Jekalb329
more money and is more popular than MJ or Montana ever were.
Hulk Hogan could whip your ass anytime, anyplace, anywhere! I've met Hulk
Hogan and about 85% of the other wrestlers wrestling today and I could say the
same thing. WRESTLING IS REAL! You don't believe me? Ask Owen Hart (God rest
his soul (1965-1999)! Or ask now paraplegic Darren Drozdov (a.k.a. Droz)!
About CASINO and NBC, I DID list my source and all I can go by is what he (my
ex's uncle Philip) told me. I don't think Phillip was/is a peon in their book
because (a) he is a viewer of their network
(b) he buys stuff from their sponsor
(c) he was a contestant on one of their shows (well, attempt at a show)
NEVER EVER BE RUDE TO A PERSON LIKE THIS
The bottom line was that the NBC programming department simply told him that
CASINO never aired nationwide was because NBC wasn't impressed or interested.
case closed!
Speaking of which, aren't you in the programming department at GSN? If so, (in
relation you telling me to get a life) you and your whole staff should be
fired! A lot of people in this newsgroup agree. You consistently air such
crappy original shows like Love Buffet, Extreme Gong, Throut & Neck (despite
Becca Grant being eye candy), and Inquizition (THE MOST BORING GAME SHOW EVER
MADE)!
Quit airing this Chuck Barris crap (except for The Gong Show, which is funny).
Air the shows that people want to see and what they grew up watching as a kid!
Quit airing the same damn show ($100K Pyramid, Family Feud, and Password Plus)
THREE TIMES A DAY!
How dare you guys replace "Now You See It" with a crap kids show like CLICK?!
THEY SHOW THE SAME DAMN SHOW SATURDAY AND SUNDAY! Those kids on there are so
retarded!
PLEASE GET RID OF "RUCKUS"!
Start airing more of the Ray Combs' Family Feud or the Bob Eubanks Card Sharks.
Bring back "Super Password" and put "Tattletales" in a decent time slot during
the week. Also, if you can, try to acquire the Reg Grundy library especially
Scrabble and $ale of the Century. We'd love to see those shows again!
Then you got THE NEW 3's A CROWD? THIS AIN'T JERRY SPRINGER and besides, his
show is getting a bit old! 3's A CROWD was a stupid, crap show from 20 years
ago and no one really watched or liked (lasted one season) and that CHUCK
BARRIS HIMSELF said in his autobiography that he was embarrased and ashamed he
ever put that piece of shit on the air! The poor guy had to move to France for
God's sake!
THE WHOLE GSN PROGRAMMING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE FIRED AND NEVER WORK IN
TELEVISION AGAIN!
As for me, I'll be training, saying my prayers, and eating my vitamins!
Jake Tanner
>How dare you call Hulk Hogan a hack actor! He had made just as much if not
>more money and is more popular than MJ or Montana ever were.
You poor poor pathetic creature. Number one, money has no corrolation
to talent. Never has, never will. And if you somehow think that Hulk
Hogan (what sort of grown man calls himself "Hulk" anyway?) has even
remotely the amount of money that Michael Jordan has, you are more
ignorant that I thought. And believe me, that is saying something.
>Hulk Hogan could whip your ass anytime, anyplace, anywhere! I've met Hulk
>Hogan and about 85% of the other wrestlers wrestling today and I could say the
>same thing. WRESTLING IS REAL! You don't believe me? Ask Owen Hart (God rest
>his soul (1965-1999)! Or ask now paraplegic Darren Drozdov (a.k.a. Droz)!
Wow...that is a powerful statement. An admitted steroid user can whip
my ass. Well, that certainly gives credibility to both him and you
for making such a statement. And baby boy, when the heads of the
major wrestling federations state on national TV that wrestling is
purely entertainment AND fully scripted and you somehow are convinced
that it is real, this is where I now begin to truly pity you. You've
crossed the line from ignorant to likely extremely mentally
challenged. You sure you want me to ask a dead person for their
opinion on the subject?
>About CASINO and NBC, I DID list my source and all I can go by is what he (my
>ex's uncle Philip) told me. I don't think Phillip was/is a peon in their book
>because (a) he is a viewer of their network
>(b) he buys stuff from their sponsor
>(c) he was a contestant on one of their shows (well, attempt at a show)
>
>NEVER EVER BE RUDE TO A PERSON LIKE THIS
I never said they were rude to him. I simply said I doubt they had
the time to deal with him. Television networks receive THOUSANDS of
phone calls daily from crackpots like your drunken almost-uncle. They
don't have time to waste on such drivel.
>The bottom line was that the NBC programming department simply told him that
>CASINO never aired nationwide was because NBC wasn't impressed or interested.
>case closed!
But that isn't what you have been saying. You have said repeatedly
that they claimed the show "sucked". IF they did actually talk to
him, I would believe they told him that NBC was not interested.
Nothing more, nothing less.
>Speaking of which, aren't you in the programming department at GSN? If so, (in
>relation you telling me to get a life) you and your whole staff should be
>fired! A lot of people in this newsgroup agree. You consistently air such
>crappy original shows like Love Buffet, Extreme Gong, Throut & Neck (despite
>Becca Grant being eye candy), and Inquizition (THE MOST BORING GAME SHOW EVER
>MADE)!
>
><major snippage of the typical I HATE GSN tirade>
>
>THE WHOLE GSN PROGRAMMING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE FIRED AND NEVER WORK IN
>TELEVISION AGAIN!
You poor creature. Although you seem to be able to type, you clearly
either don't recognize the difference in letters of the alphabet or
simply have a problem with reading comprehension. My name is Jake
TANNER...the programming person at GSN is Jake TAUBER. Learn the
difference. I could clearly do a better job than Tauber but at this
time, that isn't my job.
>As for me, I'll be training, saying my prayers, and eating my vitamins!
I'll be saying some prayers for you as well. If anyone ever needed
them...
Jake
Miss Arlene Francis
(Jekalb329) writes:
>How dare you call Hulk Hogan a hack actor!
ROFLMQAO! Stop! Just stop! I don't know if I can take any more comedy!
'Brian
"Gay at last. Gay at last! Thanks heavens to Betsy, I am GAY AT LAST!"
-- Member of the "Sodomobile", seen on Michael Moore's "The Awful Truth"
Randy Amasia
Repeat after me: "Drugs're bad, mm-kay?"
Jekalb329 <jeka...@aol.com> ranted...
> How dare you call Hulk Hogan a hack actor! He had made
just as much if not
> more money and is more popular than MJ or Montana ever
were.
>
> Hulk Hogan could whip your ass anytime, anyplace,
anywhere)!
(edit)
> About CASINO and NBC, I DID list my source and all I can
go by is what he (my
> ex's uncle Philip) told me. I don't think Phillip was/is a
peon in their book
> because (a) he is a viewer of their network
> (b) he buys stuff from their sponsor
> (c) he was a contestant on one of their shows (well,
attempt at a show)
>
> NEVER EVER BE RUDE TO A PERSON LIKE THIS
>
> The bottom line was that the NBC programming department
simply told him that
> CASINO never aired nationwide was because NBC wasn't
impressed or interested.
(edit)
> Speaking of which, aren't you in the programming
department at GSN? If so, (in
> relation you telling me to get a life) you and your whole
staff should be
> fired! A lot of people in this newsgroup agree. You
consistently air such
> crappy original shows like Love Buffet, Extreme Gong,
Throut & Neck (despite
> Becca Grant being eye candy), and Inquizition (THE MOST
BORING GAME SHOW EVER
> MADE)!
(edit)
> How dare you guys replace "Now You See It" with a crap
kids show like CLICK?!
> THEY SHOW THE SAME DAMN SHOW SATURDAY AND SUNDAY! Those
kids on there are so
> retarded!
>
> PLEASE GET RID OF "RUCKUS"!
(edit)
> Then you got THE NEW 3's A CROWD? THIS AIN'T JERRY
SPRINGER and besides, his
> show is getting a bit old!
(edit)
Matt Ottinger
Jake Tanner wrote:
> On 01 Nov 1999 06:15:41 GMT, jeka...@aol.com (Jekalb329) wrote:
>
> >How dare you call Hulk Hogan a hack actor! He had made just as much if not
> >more money and is more popular than MJ or Montana ever were.
>
> You poor poor pathetic creature. Number one, money has no corrolation
> to talent. Never has, never will. And if you somehow think that Hulk
> Hogan (what sort of grown man calls himself "Hulk" anyway?)
Marvel Comics has been wondering the same thing for a while now, which is why they
tend to focus more on the "Hollywood" nickname these days.
Hogan is very well paid for what he does, but is not remotely in Michael Jordan's
league. Also, while he seems to be a very, very nice man out of character, he is
also a very, very bad actor. He gets by, like many popular figures do, on the
strength of his personality, which is quitre impressive indeed.
There was more, lots more in fact, but it's fairly clear the voices of reason are
going to be ignored on this thread. Best to move on.
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
ROBDON33
Very true. 6'4" to be exact. He's three inches taller than me.
And no: Perry was not 61 when CS first began. He was 39.
RD
c319chris
> : (5) H/Q Productions was in SERIOUS financial trouble at the time.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!That's the FUNNIEST thing I've
ever heard!!! Bob and Merrill broke!!! Jeepers, Merrill might have had to
mow the lawn of his Beverly Hills manse all by himself! Everyone knows they
didn't make a NICKEL from umpteen years of daytime and nighttime HS.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
c319chris
> Get a life...get a brain...get a new newsgroup...your lies and rumors
> are too boring for you to remain here...
Jake, dear -
I think we have a spot for you on Smackdown!
c319chris
Curt Alliaume <call...@aol.compoop> wrote in message
news:19991030095623...@ngol01.aol.com...
>> this group's credibility
_ X Y M _ R _ N
Care to buy a vowel? :-)
By Archie Leach
> But it's true! In fact, I can do that one better...I
> have all 13 episodes of Casino on tape, and I
> know they're real because I called David
> Schwartz and he told me!
WHAT'S MORE, the executive producer at WKAR of Quizbusters sent a
PERSONAL E-MAIL to me saying that they're dumping Matt Ottinger at
mid-season and replacing him with TOM KENNEDY!
What's more, I have it on inside sources that they'll be changing the
lightning round around so that one player from each team gets a minute
to ACT out the various answers (for 10 points apiece) to the questions
that would otherwise have been asked.
Archie Leach
Live, from Lansing, MI
========================
By reading this .sig file, you automatically agree to send out a most
urgent Memochat to the Weather Gods urging that the quality of the
weather in the Upper Midwest (i.e., Michigan) substantially improve from
this crappy October that we've been having so far.
By Archie Leach
> You want us to believe that you recorded this
> copy back in the early eighties, held onto it for
> over a decade, knew it was extremely rare,
> BUT recorded over it for a chance to preserve
> the thespian skills of Terry Hogan, which you
> can rent at the corner store for a buck?
>
> You're either lying or you're a shortsighted
> idiot, and either way, you get a big "YOU
> FOOL!" from Gilbert and me.
Damn. When a.t.g-s's paragon of gentlemanly participation and good
sportsmanship, Matt Otinger calls someone a "fool" and an "idiot," the
odds are pretty high that the someone-in-question is SERIOUSLY a fool
and an idiot.
(Either that or he's getting old and cranky....)
By Archie Leach
> First off, Phillip Martin, the contestant on
> CASINO, was MY EX-GIRLFRIEND'S
> UNCLE!
Oh yeah??? WELL Johhny Olsen was my Grandfather's cousin's best friend
in high school!
> HE WAS, IS, AND NEVER WILL BE ANY
> RELATION TO ME (PRAISE THE LORD)!
Well, then why did you at ANY time call him your UNCLE? Duh???????
> But when Phil called NBC and H/Q, they told
> him (in a roundabout way) that CASINO didn't
> air because they felt the pilot sucked and
> chose not to pick it up fearing it would hurt
> NBC's ratings.
And how exactly did you find about when Phil called NBC? Did you enlist
Jeanne Dixon to pick up the "vibe" of what was going on??
> Knowing about Jim Perry like we do, I think
> he felt, "destroy this show and never look at it
> again!"
Of course, you know him better than most <sarcasm>
> And I believe all parties involved would agree
> to it.
Even your uncle/non-uncle?
> Another thing, if you lose your business
> partner (Quigley left Heatter) and your best
> shows are getting canceled left and right,
> common sense ought to tell you that things
> are really tense. Many businesses tend to
> lose money in this situation.
[Bzzzzzzzzzt.wav] <cue loser horns>
> Second, NBC stated their displeasure in Phil's
> cussing tirade.
Yeah, and the management at WLAJ-53 expressed their displeasure towards
me when, in my short-lived stint as the Saturday night 11:00 newscast
sports anchor, I mooned the camera on air.
It's not like anyone was watching, but still. They were _TICKED_!
> He did it toward the end of the show so there
> was no chance of replacing him with another
> contestant without screwing the production
> up.
Well, I think the production was already screwed up to begin with,
wouldn't you think? Or can you not even think to yourself without
lying?
> Had NBC picked up CASINO, that particular
> episode probably wouldn't have aired or
> would've had many edits done to it.
Uh, no sh*t, Sherlock.
> My aunt recorded the show and when she
> died, my immediate family got the tapes.
Yeah. And when my aunt died, he will dictated that I be given an
authentic life-sized Plinko board.
> She had a ton of stuff on them: game shows
> (CASINO included as well as Woolery "WoF",
> Hollywood Squares, Joker's Wild), soap
> operas, drama shows, newscasts, etc.
"Yeah, that's the ticket! Just ask my wife......Morgan Fairchild!"
>
> I didn't know or care, at the time, the "rarity" of
> CASINO and since I was, and still am, a pro
> wrestling fan,. I recorded oven them with
> several WWF shows.
>
> Love him or hate him, Hulk Hogan IS the
> Michael Jordan and Joe Montana of
> professional wrestling and it's more popular
> now than ever before.
With idiots aplenty like you following the sport, it's easy to see why.
(see also: Flamebait, Troll, Compulsive Liar)
Card Shark
validity of your posts. I know you listed the basic premise, but I was
wondering if you could go a bit more in depth if you remember how the
game worked. I only ask because I am interested in how it worked, but
also because I am planning on running my own version of this (as best I
can) on my old college campus. So, any additional information you might
have as to how each portion of the game went would be extremely
helpful. I think gambling is definitely a game college students can get
in to.
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Jake Tanner
wrote:
I know you love me...tell me just what this means...:)
Jake
Jekalb329
Perry-loving CASINO ass kicked!
IF YOU SMEEEE EL EL EL EL EL
(Audience): WHAT THE ROCK!
IS COOKIN'!
(Rock): Whatcha gonna do when Hulka...NO, NO THAT'S NOT IT!
Ohhhhhh, YEAH!!! NO, NO THAT'S NOT IT EITHER!
Whooooooa!!! (holds up 4 fingers) To be the man, you gotta beat...NO, NO THAT
AIN'T IT AT ALL!
What do you think, Jake?
?
?
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!
So you can take your sweet little pompous "attitude," get it all nice and shiny
and lookin' good! Turn it right-side up AND STICK IT STAIGHT UP YOUR RUDY-POO
JIM PERRY-LOVIN' CASINO ASS!!
Miss Arlene Francis
(Jekalb329) writes:
>So you can take your sweet little pompous "attitude," get it all nice and
>shiny
>and lookin' good! Turn it right-side up AND STICK IT STAIGHT UP YOUR
>RUDY-POO
>JIM PERRY-LOVIN' CASINO ASS!!
Intelligent discourse. God love it!
Jake Tanner
>That means you should be on WWF SMACKDOWN getting your Rudy-Poo Jim
>Perry-loving CASINO ass kicked!
>
>IF YOU SMEEEE EL EL EL EL EL
>
>(Audience): WHAT THE ROCK!
> IS COOKIN'!
>
>(Rock): Whatcha gonna do when Hulka...NO, NO THAT'S NOT IT!
>
>Ohhhhhh, YEAH!!! NO, NO THAT'S NOT IT EITHER!
>
>Whooooooa!!! (holds up 4 fingers) To be the man, you gotta beat...NO, NO THAT
>AIN'T IT AT ALL!
>
>What do you think, Jake?
>?
>?
>IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!
>
>So you can take your sweet little pompous "attitude," get it all nice and shiny
>and lookin' good! Turn it right-side up AND STICK IT STAIGHT UP YOUR RUDY-POO
>JIM PERRY-LOVIN' CASINO ASS!!
Dude, you've gone from ignorant to just flat-out scary. Do they let
you out in public? I sure hope not!
Jake
c319chris
Jake Tanner <jata...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:381fb7e0...@news.pacbell.net...
It means I love you more than Jeremy Soria.
My heart still belongs to Rialtus but that's another story.
Jake Tanner
wrote:
>
>Jake Tanner <jata...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:381fb7e0...@news.pacbell.net...
>> On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 02:15:41 -0800, "c319chris" <c319...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> Get a life...get a brain...get a new newsgroup...your lies and rumors
>> >> are too boring for you to remain here...
>> >
>> >Jake, dear -
>> >
>> >I think we have a spot for you on Smackdown!
>>
>> I know you love me...tell me just what this means...:)
>>
>It means I love you more than Jeremy Soria.
Well, that certainly isn't saying much!
So, you have a job for me on your forever-in-preproduction game show?
I accept! :)
>My heart still belongs to Rialtus but that's another story.
Well, he is a cutie so that is certainly understandable...:)
Jake
Matt Ottinger
Jake Tanner wrote:
> jeka...@aol.com (Jekalb329) wrote:
>
> >That means you should be on WWF SMACKDOWN getting your Rudy-Poo Jim
> >Perry-loving CASINO ass kicked!
> >So you can take your sweet little pompous "attitude," get it all nice and shiny
> >and lookin' good! Turn it right-side up AND STICK IT STAIGHT UP YOUR RUDY-POO
> >JIM PERRY-LOVIN' CASINO ASS!!
>
> Dude, you've gone from ignorant to just flat-out scary. Do they let
> you out in public? I sure hope not!
Just another example of the positive influence of professional wrestling in our
culture.
--Matt
otti...@acd.net
Randy Amasia
> Randy Amasia <ran...@loop.com> wrote:
>
> : Terry Knab <tk...@nyx.net> wrote in message
> : news:9414285...@iris.nyx.net...
> :> Jekalb329 <jeka...@aol.com> wrote:
> :> : CASINO, an H/Q production, aired around November 1981
> : shortly after "Card
> :> : Sharks" (Goodson-Todman) was canceled and around the
> : same day "Las Vegas
> :> : Gambit" (another H/Q show hosted by Wink Martindale)
was
> : canceled.
> :>
> :> Casino could well explain why it was rumored that the
> : final couple of weeks
> :> of LVG were repeats.. I'd be willing to bet that
Casino
> : was being readied
> :> to go on the air, but when NBC figured out how bad it
was,
> : they just said
> :> screw it and put Regis on instead.
>
>
> On the LVG finale, Wink asked people to tune in for Regis'
show starting
> Monday. (Look in the insert that was hastily put into the
finale after they
> gave away the Gambit Galaxy)
>
> : I will say it again - it takes several weeks to get a
new
> : game show ready for air;
> : moreover, the network/syndicator/what-have-you needs to
> : provide cancellation to the producer(s) of the show(s)
> : leaving the air, that they can stop auditioning new
> : contestants, figure out if staff needs to be re-assigned
or
> : laid off, what-have-you.
>
cancellation
> notice, they probably stopped searching for contestants,
etc... In that
> case, popping the show into reruns is a viable (and the
only) option, unless
> you have another show ready to go.
In the case of Card Sharks, which is the show was purported
to have been replaced by Casino, that show was Battlestars.
There were promo photos for it premiere week, the TVG
listing for the last day of CS mentioned that it would be
replaced by Battlestars.
> : Finally, consider this: very seldom is a show bought on
> : concept alone; at the very least, someone with
> : decision-making authority has seen a live run-through.
More
> : likely than not, a pilot was shot. In the case of NBC,
> : there's an excellent chance that it was audience
reaction
> : tested by my (then) employer.
>
> So, Casino was picked up (this is a theory point) NBC
either changes
> management, or the producers realize the concept isn't
going to work. Just
> because a show tests well, doesn't mean it will work in
the real world.
That's something they would have realized at pilot time.
> Its entirely possible to pull the plug in ANY show before
it ever hits the
> air, commitment or not.
Sure, and it's been done in prime time.
> : In sum, thanks to the miracle of videotape recording,
you
> : don't just yank a game show, just like you don't just
yank a
> : soap opera.
>
> Explain to me then why MG '79 was yanked from CBS then
with NO warning, and
> they sure had no idea on air. (IIRC, the remaining few
weeks of MG '79
> taped were the first ones used in the Syndie run)
There was plenty of warning -- they were looking for
contestants for Whew! a good 4 - 6 weeks in advance. At the
time, of course, I had no idea it was replacing MG. What
they may not have known was whether they'd go right into
strip or what exactly they'd do.
> And I know it was replaced with a show near and dear to
many of us, but it
> proves my point that you can just yank a show.
Sorry, Terry, a game show is a completely different creature
than a prime time series.
ROBDON33
>shiny
>and lookin' good! Turn it right-side up AND STICK IT STAIGHT UP YOUR
>RUDY-POO
>JIM PERRY-LOVIN' CASINO ASS!!
I think Iceman King Parsons just entered this newsgroup. Buddy, get real.
Perry's the best; us Americans are fortunate to have him on NBC television for
over a decade, and Canadians are even more fortunate to see him regularly on
Definition.
Need I say more? Well, I'd say Rebecca Grant's a hotie but that's for another
story.
;)
Terry Knab
: Regis? Huh?
: Finally, consider this: very seldom is a show bought on
: concept alone; at the very least, someone with
: decision-making authority has seen a live run-through. More
: likely than not, a pilot was shot. In the case of NBC,
: there's an excellent chance that it was audience reaction
: tested by my (then) employer.
So, Casino was picked up (this is a theory point) NBC either changes
management, or the producers realize the concept isn't going to work. Just
because a show tests well, doesn't mean it will work in the real world.
Its entirely possible to pull the plug in ANY show before it ever hits the
air, commitment or not.
: In sum, thanks to the miracle of videotape recording, you
: don't just yank a game show, just like you don't just yank a
: soap opera.
Explain to me then why MG '79 was yanked from CBS then with NO warning, and
they sure had no idea on air. (IIRC, the remaining few weeks of MG '79
taped were the first ones used in the Syndie run)
And I know it was replaced with a show near and dear to many of us, but it
Terry Knab
:> : (5) H/Q Productions was in SERIOUS financial trouble at the time.
Ironically, Orion did eventually go broke though.
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Richard Hudson
Sorry to trouble you with a stupid question, but how much of the profits from
SQUARES did H-Q make after they fold their company to Filmways?
I assume that they still got a big peice of the profits, not including the $10
million that they made from the sale of the company but just HOW BIG was their
share.
Richard" Also why the keck does MGM own the episodes of the Match
Game-Hollywood Squares hour when G-T produced and paid for the show? Hudson
Jake Tanner
>Randy Amasia <ran...@loop.com> wrote:
>: In sum, thanks to the miracle of videotape recording, you
>: don't just yank a game show, just like you don't just yank a
>: soap opera.
>
>Explain to me then why MG '79 was yanked from CBS then with NO warning, and
>they sure had no idea on air. (IIRC, the remaining few weeks of MG '79
>taped were the first ones used in the Syndie run)
Terry, I'm not sure how you came to that fuzzy memory but that
couldn't have happened. First thing, the CBS version was still called
"Match Game '79". The syndie version was simply called "Match Game".
If the final weeks of MG79 were shown in syndication instead, how
would you explain the difference in the title of the show? Also, the
rules of MG79 were different from the syndie MG. On MG79, if you lost
one game, you went bye-bye and the champion could play on and on until
defeated (or hitting the CBS winnings cap). On syndie MG, the same
two contestants played two consecutive games together and, win or
lose, both left after the second game and were replaced by two new
players.
As for MG'79, I seriously doubt it was yanked with NO warning. It
might have been very little warning but they don't just yank a game
show on Friday arbitrarily and throw on a new one on Monday. It
simply requires more planning than that. It isn't like primetime
where they could yank "Work With Me" this week with no warning and
just replace it with reruns of another successful sitcom ("Everybody
Love Raymond) until a replacement is found (hmmmmm...would Wednesday
evening work for "What's My Line?")
Jake
Jake Tanner
wrote:
>
>
>Jake Tanner wrote:
>
>> jeka...@aol.com (Jekalb329) wrote:
>>
>> >That means you should be on WWF SMACKDOWN getting your Rudy-Poo Jim
>> >Perry-loving CASINO ass kicked!
>> >So you can take your sweet little pompous "attitude," get it all nice and shiny
>> >and lookin' good! Turn it right-side up AND STICK IT STAIGHT UP YOUR RUDY-POO
>> >JIM PERRY-LOVIN' CASINO ASS!!
>>
>> Dude, you've gone from ignorant to just flat-out scary. Do they let
>> you out in public? I sure hope not!
>
>Just another example of the positive influence of professional wrestling in our
>culture.
I think if we take this loser and Jeremy Soria before a Senate
committee and just let them babble for 10 minutes, we could see
"professional" wrestling brought to a bitter end by legal decree.
Jake
c319chris
> >It means I love you more than Jeremy Soria.
>
> Well, that certainly isn't saying much!
What did you want, a ring? (D'oh, what an awful pun!)
> So, you have a job for me on your forever-in-preproduction game show?
> I accept! :)
If you mean the show whose title rhymes with "Freaks", that is not my show
and it is not now nor has it ever been in pre-production. Rest assured that
if one of my shows DOES go to series, you are hereby granted the job of Vice
President, Wrestler Relations.
> >My heart still belongs to Rialtus but that's another story.
>
> Well, he is a cutie so that is certainly understandable...:)
Hey! I saw him first!!! Unfortunately there has never been enough interest
in a cure for heterosexuality for one to become viable.
c319chris
> As for MG'79, I seriously doubt it was yanked with NO warning. It
> might have been very little warning but they don't just yank a game
> show on Friday arbitrarily and throw on a new one on Monday.
In the golden days, shows were renewed for cycles lasting anywhere from one
year (TPIR) to one week, with 13 and 26 weeks being most common. A network
had to give a producer a minimum number of weeks' notice of cancellation. A
producer had to know his show's final air date in order not to tape too many
shows ahead (or else who would absorb the costs of producing the unaired
shows?). It would also give a producer the chance to wrap up the show's
affairs and enable the network to allocate studio/crew/set-up/rehearsal time
to the replacement series, if any. If a new show were being readied, i.e. a
set being built, staffers of the outgoing show quitting to accept jobs on
the new show, etc., word gets around and you can pretty much figure out
which show is going to get the axe, if the network hasn't already
telegraphed its intentions.
IIRC Mindreaders was originally licensed for 13 weeks, then was put on a
week-to-week renewal cycle. TPIR was renewed for 46 weeks of new shows and
6 weeks of reruns each year - not sure about today.
Jake Tanner
wrote:
>Jake Tanner <jata...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:382036c6...@news.pacbell.net...
>> So, you have a job for me on your forever-in-preproduction game show?
>> I accept! :)
>
>If you mean the show whose title rhymes with "Freaks", that is not my show
>and it is not now nor has it ever been in pre-production. Rest assured that
>if one of my shows DOES go to series, you are hereby granted the job of Vice
>President, Wrestler Relations.
I'm sorry...I thought you were involved in that one...but if you do
ever get something launched, I'll take that VP job and you can tell me
where my parking space is...:)
>> >My heart still belongs to Rialtus but that's another story.
>>
>> Well, he is a cutie so that is certainly understandable...:)
>
>Hey! I saw him first!!! Unfortunately there has never been enough interest
>in a cure for heterosexuality for one to become viable.
hehehehe...so true...:)
Jake
Zach Horan
>6 weeks of reruns each year - not sure about today.
I think they still renew TPIR on a year-to-year basis, but CBS is highly
unlikely to cancel TPIR until Bob Barker retires.
Terry Knab
: On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 04:55:32 GMT, tk...@nyx.net (Terry Knab) wrote:
:>Randy Amasia <ran...@loop.com> wrote:
:>: In sum, thanks to the miracle of videotape recording, you
:>: don't just yank a game show, just like you don't just yank a
:>: soap opera.
:>
:>Explain to me then why MG '79 was yanked from CBS then with NO warning, and
:>they sure had no idea on air. (IIRC, the remaining few weeks of MG '79
:>taped were the first ones used in the Syndie run)
: Terry, I'm not sure how you came to that fuzzy memory but that
: couldn't have happened. First thing, the CBS version was still called
I recall reading it in various groups that this is supposedly what happened.
I"m going to see if I cnan find the posts that mentioned that.
: As for MG'79, I seriously doubt it was yanked with NO warning. It
: might have been very little warning but they don't just yank a game
: show on Friday arbitrarily and throw on a new one on Monday. It
: simply requires more planning than that. It isn't like primetime
: where they could yank "Work With Me" this week with no warning and
: just replace it with reruns of another successful sitcom ("Everybody
: Love Raymond) until a replacement is found (hmmmmm...would Wednesday
: evening work for "What's My Line?")
It happened. How can you explain the 10 seconds of dead air at the end of
the last MG '79 on CBS? And the fact nothing was said about it.
By Archie Leach
> I think if we take this loser and Jeremy Soria
> before a Senate committee and just let them
> babble for 10 minutes, we could see
> "professional" wrestling brought to a bitter end
> by legal decree.
Um, what gives you the impression that Senators are either 1.) smarter,
or 2.) less likely to babble incoherently, than professional wrestling
afficionados?
Dave Mackey
originally licensed for 13 weeks, then was put on a
and
> 6 weeks of reruns each year - not sure about today.
I think "Price"'s renewal cycles are in terms of how many more YEARS Barker
wants to go for it. I think last time he signed a 5-year contract.
But I do remember those days of 13-week cycles. I was always scared that
"Gambit" or "Price" wouldn't get picked up for the next cycle.
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Easy. They either (a) didn't know what the heck they were
gonna do or (b) edited in the wrong ending. In late
November '75, they taped three endings to Magnificent Marble
Machine (I was there). They weren't sure if they'd be back
"next week," "in a few weeks" or "never." (It was "few
weeks.")
- R
c319chris
for Mark Goodson shows which were initially licensed for 26 weeks, with the
exception of Mindreaders IIRC.
Jake Tanner
wrote:
I have always thought that there was an option (c) to this mystery.
Has anyone considered that this 10 seconds of dead air was the
producers way to symbolically show their displeasure with their
cancellation? If I recall, Gene says to the effect "these are the
stars who will be with us next week" and then you get the dead
air...well, 10 seconds of black screen made it very clear that there
was no next week.
Jake
