David Goodman, what a loser!
thenickshow
>He may win 1 million dollars. But everyone now knows he did it
by having his
>friend cheating for him. I hope ABC begin to ask contestents
not use
>computer database to find answer from now on.
His phone-a-friend didn't use a computer database. He simply
consulted with someone else in the room.
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> Are you deaf? That keyboard clicking noise!
.. which is legal.
Ethical? That's another discussion. Against the rules? No.
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thenickshow
It's not a keyboard making the sound, it's something tapping
against the phone.
Babe Lust
Judi Sohn
"Babe Lust" <blu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Oh come on. They have 30 seconds to hear the question and find the
answer. If someone on the phone can pull up the answer in that amount of
time, more power to 'em. And he had already used the other two lifelines
and the audience also went with Peru.
Funny thing is, you can tell where my life is (fulltime Mom)... had no
idea it was the 106th congress, but when the million dollar question
came up I yelled "Deepest, darkest Peru!" before the choices came up. ;-)
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Babe Lust
vand...@autobahn.mb.ca
wrote:
>He may win 1 million dollars. But everyone now knows he did it by having his
>friend cheating for him. I hope ABC begin to ask contestents not use
>computer database to find answer from now on.
>
>
First of all it sounds like Dave knew the answer before he used used
he lifelifes.
- He was trying to keep a straight face when he was phoning his
friend. You could see him smile.
He made these comments before the phone call
"He might know this"
"Let's see if he"
- He wants to make sure if his PAF knew the answer.
During his PAF, his PAF had to repeat the question and answer, to his
friends.
I heard comments such as 'Anyone Else", "We got 100%", "Sounds like
Peru"
tcl...@hotmail.com
"Babe Lust" <blu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> He may win 1 million dollars. But everyone now knows he did it by having
his
> friend cheating for him. I hope ABC begin to ask contestents not use
> computer database to find answer from now on.
>
>
is perfectly legal, you risk taking too much time to find the right answer
by using the computer, just another element of the game
Tom Galloway
thenickshow <thenicksh...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>His phone-a-friend didn't use a computer database. He simply
>consulted with someone else in the room.
While I'm not 100% sure, I strongly suspect Goodman used a strategy I plan
on using should I ever get on. In fact, I suspect he used one of my
possible groups for said strategy.
Y'see, I'm on the academic quiz bowl mailing list. And last night, Goodman
mailed said list noting that he'd be appearing on WWTBAM tonight (but not
even hinting if he'd make it to the hot seat or if he'd won anything). So
I'm thinking that both he and I are alumni of the UMichigan quiz bowl team
(although I predate him by a decade)...and I'm thinking that a fair chunk
of whatever members of said team are in Ann Arbor for the summer were on
the other end of that phone line. And they executed the handling of working
with a team perfectly, as I've long thought would work with a quiz bowl
trained group.
And since I've brought up that he's a quiz bowl player, I'll say that for
a good quiz bowl player, this was a very easy stack. Trail of tears and
Lilith are pretty standard knowledge for a good quiz bowler, and had he
not remembered Newt was the 104th Congress, a quiz bowl like alternative
I think he might have thought of was to work it out via Presidents; Thomas
Jefferson was elected in 1800, there were three terms before him, so
Washington was first elected in 1788. Now, of the four answers, 110th and
115th were clearly wrong; each Congress is two years, so they'd go back
to 1780 or 1770 for the 1st Congress; either during the Revolution or before
it. 106th, however, makes it 212 years since the first one...or 1788 or
thereabouts. While 104th is only 208 years, which'd have Congress not started
until several years after Washington was in office. Nope. So it'd have
to be the 106th. Had they had 105th or 107th as answers, it would've been
harder to figure it out this way.
tyg t...@netcom.com
Michael Rooney
Tom Galloway <t...@netcom.com> wrote in article
<8kh0f2$h7b$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
> And since I've brought up that he's a quiz bowl player, I'll say that for
> a good quiz bowl player, this was a very easy stack. Trail of tears and
> Lilith are pretty standard knowledge for a good quiz bowler, and had he
> not remembered Newt was the 104th Congress, a quiz bowl like alternative
> I think he might have thought of was to work it out via Presidents;
Thomas
> Jefferson was elected in 1800, there were three terms before him, so
> Washington was first elected in 1788. Now, of the four answers, 110th and
> 115th were clearly wrong; each Congress is two years, so they'd go back
> to 1780 or 1770 for the 1st Congress; either during the Revolution or
before
> it. 106th, however, makes it 212 years since the first one...or 1788 or
> thereabouts. While 104th is only 208 years, which'd have Congress not
started
> until several years after Washington was in office. Nope. So it'd have
> to be the 106th. Had they had 105th or 107th as answers, it would've been
> harder to figure it out this way.
The technique I've always used is:
first Congress = U.S. Constitution = 1789,
each Congress is 2 years, so:
(year x - 1789) / 2 = nth Congress (+/-1).
As you said, including 105th or 107th would've made it
considerably more difficult.
(And agreed about the general stack difficulty, though
Paddington's home country is much more obscure than
a straight-up geography question like Lesotho.)
Cordially,
M.
Morehits4u
>From: Judi Sohn
> He may win 1 million dollars. But everyone now knows he did it by
>> having his friend cheating for him. I hope ABC begin to ask
>> contestents not use computer database to find answer from now on.
I had a slightly different take. I thought that
the kid KNEW the answer all along and
was " toying " with Regis and the audience.....In fact - Regis actually said
that to the contestant, and the camera gave
us a tight shot of him - and i will admit, his
expression was one of surprise and shock -
so I guess I was wrong.
Miket710
>he lifelifes.
>
I remember him saying something to the effect of "Even though I've got it, I'll
use my ATA" (NOTE: Not a direct quote, but in context).
I subscribe to the "easy if you know it" theory...not having kids, I didn't
have a clue on the Paddington Bear question (I've heard of the little furry
guy, but that's all), and I would have missed the Lilith (thought it was the
lyrical muse) and Congress question (I thought it was the 104th). Trail of
Tears I got. </RAMBLE>
Mike Trozzo
waiting for the 800 number to reopen
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> ents not use computer database to find answer from now on.
That wasn't a keyboard. He was talking to all the others in the room.
Which brings me to another question... Has anyone ever phoned a
"Phone-a-Friend Party" yet, if you know what I mean?
Ben Tritle
"Michael Rooney" <roo...@oxy.edu> wrote in message
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>
>
> (And agreed about the general stack difficulty, though
> Paddington's home country is much more obscure than
> a straight-up geography question like Lesotho.)
Disagree...I thought the question of Paddington's home country was actually
easier, given that as long as you knew that he came from South America you
would have been correct. Lesotho, while not much harder, is slightlly more
obscure.
Ben
Leszek Pawlowicz
And how would the average person know that P. Bear came from South
America? I think the Lesotho question was easier (albeit not
necessarily easy per se).
Babe Lust
of them are accessing to computers. You can clearly hear a lot of different
kinds of noise, people talking, especially keyboards clicking. What is the
one way to qurantee 100% sure answer.
tcl...@hotmail.com
"Leszek Pawlowicz" <lesze...@ispSPAMMAchannel.com> wrote in message
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IMO the million dollar question should be hard enough that no more than 10%
of the general population would know the answer.
Vinnie Maffea
> "Leszek Pawlowicz" <lesze...@ispSPAMMAchannel.com> wrote in message
> news:jehpmsgsiomng1aob...@4ax.com...
> >
> > >I thought the question of Paddington's home country was actually
> > >easier, given that as long as you knew that he came from South America
> you
> > >would have been correct.
> >
> Though this is for $1,000,000 the average person shouldn't know the answer,
> IMO the million dollar question should be hard enough that no more than 10%
> of the general population would know the answer.
Maybe so, but how do you determine WHAT is known by about 10% of the
population? Who's to say the writers didn't think that 90% or so of the
audience wouldn't know about Paddington Bear?
-- Vinnie Maffea
vmaf...@concentric.net
Rob Long
happened during the phone-a-friend. There was indeed a group of
college bowlers in the room at the time, as many people here have
figured out. Though, the only person who was 100% sure of the
answer turned out to be the only person to have never played
college bowl in her life.
Ben Tritle
based on the book as well that were quite popular about 15-20 years ago. I
never said that the P. Bear question was easy, but in comparison to Lesotho,
I give the nod to P. Bear.
Ben
"Leszek Pawlowicz" <lesze...@ispSPAMMAchannel.com> wrote in message
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>
> And how would the average person know that P. Bear came from South
> America? I think the Lesotho question was easier (albeit not
> necessarily easy per se).
>
> "Ben Tritle" <bttr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
Tom Galloway
Ben Tritle <bttr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Because P. Bear was not only a children's book, but there were also cartoons
>based on the book as well that were quite popular about 15-20 years ago. I
>never said that the P. Bear question was easy, but in comparison to Lesotho,
>I give the nod to P. Bear.
I'd argue that the Bear and Lesotho questions were effectively apples and
oranges in terms of difficulty comparisons. The only real way to judge their
difficulty would be to survey 100 WWTBAM contestants and see how many could
answer each.
What I mean by this is that the Paddington Bear question was of the "You know
it or you don't" variety; if you're not familiar with Paddington, there is
zero way of figuring out the answer; any of the countries is as likely as
the other, particularly since Paddington is named after a London tube stop
(about the only thing I know about him) and thus his name has no clues as
to his country of origin.
Lesotho, on the other hand, was a question where other knowledge could come
into play. As several people mentioned, they could eliminate Luxembourg and
Mongolia as answers due to non-Lesotho based knowledge. Admittedly, those
might very well have been removed by the 50/50, putting it at the same level
of "Darn if I know" as the 50/50 would on Paddington. But these were two
different types of questions, where the first is pure "know that fact or not"
and the second is "it's possible to reason out the answer or eliminate
answers". The Congress question was a pure example of the latter type; if you
can put together the knowledge that a Congress is two years, various dates
involving the start of the US, and the possibilities they gave, you can
figure out the answer even though you didn't know it as a fact.
tyg t...@Netcom.com
vand...@autobahn.mb.ca
<bttr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Michael Rooney" <roo...@oxy.edu> wrote in message
>news:01bfebe8$add942a0$03010101@cheshire...
>>
>>
>> (And agreed about the general stack difficulty, though
>> Paddington's home country is much more obscure than
>> a straight-up geography question like Lesotho.)
>
>Disagree...I thought the question of Paddington's home country was actually
>easier, given that as long as you knew that he came from South America you
>would have been correct. Lesotho, while not much harder, is slightlly more
>obscure.
>
For myself,
On the Lesotho question, the first country that poped into my head was
Lesotho, (Even though Vatican City and San Marino can also fit),
before the four possible answer with revealed.
On the Paddington Bear question, I was thinking Brazil-South
Americian, and once Peru was the only South American country, and I
would have no problems on risking it on Peru.
Ryan Mihalus
only easy to you if you know the answer 100%. I mean, with the last 2 million
dollar questions, I thought they were hard. However, to me, the Chemistry
question was easy, only because I have vast knowledge in it, but to the average
Joe, this is not the case.
Ryan
Leszek Pawlowicz wrote:
> And how would the average person know that P. Bear came from South
> America? I think the Lesotho question was easier (albeit not
> necessarily easy per se).
>
> "Ben Tritle" <bttr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
John Sergent
>
> He may win 1 million dollars. But everyone now knows he did it by having his
> computer database to find answer from now on.
How do you know he wouldn't have given the same answer without his PaF?
When Carpenter won, some said they'd have used all the lifelines even
though they knew the answer, just as an extra precaution, and that's
what I believe he did in this case.
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