First Joker's Wild
James Allen
GSN, these things are done in a much different context for a reason.)
Anyway, I see the usual first show jitters. Most of the questions were quite
topical, adding even more to the 70's feel. The categories seemed to be
selected to elicit some male/female dichotomies (football/cooking, women's
lib/rock groups, etc.) How 70's can you get?
The bonus round was, well, different. And I dislike the idea that if you
continue as champion and lose, you forfeit all your money.
And it's interesting to note that even though it's the very first show, a few
bulbs in the right score display are already burned out.
Yamato Ishida
How about the reels getting stuck on that one spin? That was
interesting to watch.
I wasn't big on the bonus game either, since it seems rather rushed and
not very thought out (ONLY two spins? yeesh).
I recorded the episode, so if anyone wants to trade that doesn't have
GSN, e-mail me (pyrami...@aol.com). :-)
--PyramidFreak
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Before you buy.
Dolfan500
question. JOKER BASEBALL PRESIDENTS. Contestant were to select BASEBALL,
they automatically made it for $100.
If you weren't sure, you might want $50. Or if you had $450m other person
$400, you would want only $50.
It was nice seeing the old set.
Guy
Steven Bentley
It is great to see that they are finally airing the CBS eps. I'm glad to see how
it all began! Check out my updates and pics on my website!
-Steven
http://www.geocities.com/stevebinatl/tjwhome.html
The Joker's Wild Website
Jim
out to host the show? I imagine there was a big rush feeling redeemed with
a rememberance of where he had been.
* Jack is big on visual aids, such as the pictures showing a single, double,
and triple. He'd use visuals again showing how a Break the Bank board
looks.
* There is another variation on the bonus game before the one we all know
and love, as I recall.
* That set looks better than most used in the 90's cable games.
* I wonder if, during the portion of the one game where they kept missing
questions, the old Jack came back and thought, hmmm - what can we do to make
this more interesting. We can rrrrrriiii - no, don't go there.
"James Allen" <sji...@aol.com> wrote in message
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(memo to
> GSN, these things are done in a much different context for a reason.)
>
> Anyway, I see the usual first show jitters. Most of the questions were
quite
> topical, adding even more to the 70's feel. The categories seemed to
be
> selected to elicit some male/female dichotomies (football/cooking,
women's
> lib/rock groups, etc.) How 70's can you get?
Other differences I noticed:
The CHAMPION went first in the game instead of the challenger.
Triples worth $150 instead of $200
I think that the option to take a category for a lesser value was an
option, but they didn't want to go into more of the finer details of the
game than necessary.
>
> The bonus round was, well, different. And I dislike the idea that if
you
> continue as champion and lose, you forfeit all your money.
>
> And it's interesting to note that even though it's the very first
show, a few
> bulbs in the right score display are already burned out.
>
Hiphats
Ludden as the host, in black and white, and with celebrities. I wish GSN would
show this rare look at how JW REALLY began.
I believe bootleg tapes of this exist.
hips
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Stephan Mynarkiewicz
"Steven Bentley" <stev...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > It was nice seeing the old set.
>
> It is great to see that they are finally airing the CBS eps. I'm glad to
see how
> it all began! Check out my updates and pics on my website!
Can only comment on the first episode (natch), but it seems these were
definitely preserved somewhere--video quality was excellent! (unlike some of
the stuff GSN has aired)
James Allen
>Ludden as the host, in black and white, and with celebrities. I wish GSN
>would
>show this rare look at how JW REALLY began.
Well, you are being technical. I consider a "first" episode to be the first
episode of a program aired. I suppose you can get even more technical in the
case of some shows, as sometimes programs are taped in a different order than
they are aired, but I'll go with "first aired" just to be consistant (and it's
unusual that the first aired episode of a game show's official run is not the
first one taped.)
Pilots fall in a different category, as they are almost never intended to be
aired, and are usually very different from the show that they eventually spawn.
That being said, yeah, I'd love to see the pilot too.
Card Shark
the original Gambit episodes still existed, I could have the entire morning
line-up from 9/4/72. The category graphics weren't as exciting. And I can
see how people would have problems with the "bonus game." No real risk like
with the devil game.
--
"Let's open the board and get to the cards."-Jim Perry
"James Allen" <sji...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Talk about contrast, as they aired this after the horrible "DJ Games"
(memo to
> GSN, these things are done in a much different context for a reason.)
>
> Anyway, I see the usual first show jitters. Most of the questions were
quite
> topical, adding even more to the 70's feel. The categories seemed to be
> selected to elicit some male/female dichotomies (football/cooking, women's
> lib/rock groups, etc.) How 70's can you get?
>
Card Shark
or if they start showing the beginning of the syndie run from 1977, kind of
like what they did with the Combs Feud when GSN used to be good.
--
"Let's open the board and get to the cards."-Jim Perry
"Steven Bentley" <stev...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > It was nice seeing the old set.
>
> It is great to see that they are finally airing the CBS eps. I'm glad to
see how
> it all began! Check out my updates and pics on my website!
>
Card Shark
It's a good thing they didn't use the celebrities. The show would probably
not have been as good.
--
"Let's open the board and get to the cards."-Jim Perry
"Hiphats" <hip...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, the first Joker's Wild was the never-seen pilot episode with
Allen
> Ludden as the host, in black and white, and with celebrities. I wish GSN
would
> show this rare look at how JW REALLY began.
>
T. Jay
>
> Anyway, I see the usual first show jitters. Most of the questions were quite
> topical, adding even more to the 70's feel.
Compared to the later years if TJW, some of those questions were very
difficult.
> The categories seemed to be
> selected to elicit some male/female dichotomies (football/cooking, women's
> lib/rock groups, etc.) How 70's can you get?
If only Ed could have had a heavy European accent, he could have been a
dead ringer for Auto Racing legend Jackie Stewart!
>
> The bonus round was, well, different. And I dislike the idea that if you
> continue as champion and lose, you forfeit all your money.
Shall we call it the Spirit of Twenty-One??
Actually, I can remember when they had children's weeks, I seem to
recall that they played the bouns round exactly like they did on this
episode. And I seemed to remember that they did this even after the
Money & Devil round was already enacted for the adults. Can anybody
confirm this?
> And it's interesting to note that even though it's the very first show, a few
> bulbs in the right score display are already burned out.
And that new contestant in game 2 looked like at one turn she was going
to flip that desk over!
Not to mention when on the one spin, the 1st wheel stopped in-between
slides while the 2nd & 3rd wheels had stopped on a category. Then all
of a sudden when they tried to fix the1st wheel, wheel #2 started to
move again while wheel #3 stayed put. I was thinking that because of
the 2nd wheel starting up again by mistake, the contestant should have
re-spun.
It will be interesting over the course of the CBS run to see when the
changes to the more-familiar gameplay and look (that we are more
familiar with) come into play. Some changes to look for:
-Elimination of player names on the podiums, the Joker Jackpot, those
solid-color category slides, and the lit spinning wheels going into
commercial.
-Addition of the Bouns Round handle to the right of the windows, the
theme that was used by the time of the CBS finale, and the $200 for
triples rule.
-The changes in Bonus Rounds (there is at least one other bonus round
that they had before the more common Money & Jokers round.
-When 3 Jokers meant a game-winning question, not just an automatic
win...period!
And of course, it will be fun to find out once and for all why at one
time they had a scale next to the giant lever!
I know when many saw the first MG'73 episode, everybody was surprised by
the way that show looked and how the gameplay went. However IMHO,
seeing Episode 1 of TJW was even more strange.
T. Jay
Zach Horan
>Ludden as the host, in black and white, and with celebrities. I wish GSN
>would
>show this rare look at how JW REALLY began.
This, of course, assumes they have the pilot in their holdings.
Steven Bentley
>
> Pilots fall in a different category, as they are almost never intended to be
> aired, and are usually very different from the show that they eventually spawn.
>
> That being said, yeah, I'd love to see the pilot too.
The first JW resembled the pilot because when they went to commmercial, the wheels
began spinning. And the bonus rounds were similiar. Prizes. If you want to see the
pilot, go to my website and click on "The 1969 Pilot". And, yes, the pilot is in
circulation in this group. I got my copy! Also, they're saying KTLA had "Test"
shows in 1971...
-Steven
http://www.geocities.com/stevebinatl/tjwhome.html
The Joker's Wild Homepage
Don Del Grande
>Actually, I can remember when they had children's weeks, I seem to
>recall that they played the bouns round exactly like they did on this
>episode. And I seemed to remember that they did this even after the
>Money & Devil round was already enacted for the adults. Can anybody
>confirm this?
I think it worked a little differently - the player spun, three prizes
showed up, and the player selected one to hold, then spun the other
two wheels; two prizes showed up, the player selected one of those,
and spun the remaining wheel again.
(I think they couldn't use Money & Devils as some law prevented them
from having children decide whether to keep or risk money - minors on
"The $128,000 Question" had to have a parent decide whether they could
go on or had to stop.)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Don Del Grande, del_g...@netvista.net
And when one kid announced "I'm giving (one of the prizes) to my
mother" and got a lot of applause, soon every kid was giving one or
two prizes to relatives
DKKPlease
ep. of TJW. However, I bet this will be the only 1972-73 season CBS ep. that is
in existence.
Zach Horan
It was mentioned in here Saturday, and I don't think it was a troll, Terry
Wilkie in fact, that said GSN now has the whole CBS run, and it was transferred
this Fall, along with Spin Off from 1975.
DKKPlease
episodes were erased. It even said so in the Game Shows '75 page.
Brett A. Pasternack
>
> James Allen wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyway, I see the usual first show jitters. Most of the questions were quite
> > topical, adding even more to the 70's feel.
>
> Compared to the later years if TJW, some of those questions were very
> difficult.
It was all over the map in that regard. There were some very difficult
questions, but there couldn't have been too many football questions you
could have asked at that point then the one about Jim Brown.
John Sergent
>
> > It was nice seeing the old set.
>
> It is great to see that they are finally airing the CBS eps. I'm glad to see how
> it all began! Check out my updates and pics on my website!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/stevebinatl/tjwhome.html
> The Joker's Wild Website
Very nice.
--
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's
too dark to read."
-- Groucho Marx, I hope
Dale Patterson
>
>
>
> >
> > Pilots fall in a different category, as they are almost never intended
to be
> > aired, and are usually very different from the show that they eventually
spawn.
> >
> > That being said, yeah, I'd love to see the pilot too.
>
> The first JW resembled the pilot because when they went to commmercial,
the wheels
> began spinning. And the bonus rounds were similiar. Prizes. If you want to
see the
> pilot, go to my website and click on "The 1969 Pilot". And, yes, the pilot
is in
> circulation in this group. I got my copy! Also, they're saying KTLA had
"Test"
> shows in 1971...
>
> http://www.geocities.com/stevebinatl/tjwhome.html
> The Joker's Wild Homepage
>
>
>
Yes they did,
I do believe, from what I gather, that because of several reasons they
wanted to give a test run of The Joker's Wild on an affiliate station, KTLA,
and later it became national.
Sincerely,
Pat Patterson
Zach Horan
>episodes were erased. It even said so in the Game Shows '75 page.
>
>
According to a reliable source, the episodes have been found and were
transferred for future rerun use. I don't know if GSN now has/will have the
rights to air Spin Off.
Stephan Mynarkiewicz
"Card Shark" <card_...@mail.com> wrote in message
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> True. I'd be curious to see if they continue showing CBS episodes tomorrow
> or if they start showing the beginning of the syndie run from 1977, kind
of
> like what they did with the Combs Feud when GSN used to be good.
I have the same reservations you do--I've got a nasty feeling GSN's "focus
group" will find the early shows too "slow and boring", forcing them to
either go on to the '77+ episodes, or drop the show altogether for a show
that the advertisers feel is "more appropriate for an under 35 demographic".
Like it or not, I have the suspicion we won't see all 600+ CBS episodes.
EPaddon
air is the second CBS episode so for now we're seeing everything from the
beginning.
Eric Paddon
EPaddon
noted in yesterday's show, in that a champ who loses only loses his cash but
not the prizes he won in the bonus round. A precursor in a way of WOF's
bankrupt rule in a sense! ("You lose your cash but not your merchandise,
because once you win a prize it's yours to keep")
Eric Paddon
torca...@hotmail.com
> I have the same reservations you do--I've got a nasty feeling GSN's "focus
> group" will find the early shows too "slow and boring", forcing them to
> either go on to the '77+ episodes, or drop the show altogether
> Like it or not, I have the suspicion we won't see all 600+ CBS episodes.
>
I understand what you're saying, but consider this: they played "Match
Game" from the beginning in 1973 and that was a much different show then
than it turned out to be. They also played "Tattletales" from the
beginning and the rules were much different than a few months into the
run. There are probably a few other examples which I can't think of.
If they feel "pressured" to jump to a "more exciting" part of the series
they should jump ahead about a year to 1973 - I remember from original
broadcasts when I was home from the school the show really came into its
prime on CBS during the second year.
I'll feel so dissappointed if they jump ship now - at least show a few
weeks of every year of the CBS version, or jump ahead to a different part
of the series before you give it up. I'd still like to see that second
bonus round where they had Jokers and Devils.
Besides, when has GSN really listened to groups of people "forcing" them
to change their schedule anyway?
Stephan Mynarkiewicz
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> Besides, when has GSN really listened to groups of people "forcing" them
> to change their schedule anyway?
There's a few examples of GSN dumping shows after a few weeks--Celebrity
Charades only went on a few weeks before being dropped (the show was
terrible, but still...), Chain Reaction (USA Network version) only lasted a
few airings before being dumped (and has never seen seen again, IIRC),
Jackpot only survived a little while in a normal weekend slot (before being
moved to wee-hours of the morning). I can't imagine the network brass just
killing those themselves--they had to have some outside input to go by.
Curt Alliaume
(DKKPlease) writes:
>Does this mean that Spin Offs will air on GSN soon? I thought all those
>episodes were erased. It even said so in the Game Shows '75 page.
You believe that guy?
-- Curt Alliaume
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torca...@hotmail.com
> killing those themselves--they had to have some outside input to go by.
>
>
After watching the second episode yesterday, it's really not too bad at
all. I just hope they wouldn't waste all that time converting them if
they were going to dump it quickly - that would be something else sitting
in their vault collecting dust.
Give this a little time, I think we can be used to watching this from the
beginning (just as we did "Match Game" and a bunch of others GSN has run
from episode one) and we'll see it pick up the pace pretty quickly. I've
enjoyed the first two shows and if they do get "pressured" hopefully
they'll just jump to another part of the CBS run (even the last year
which were syndicated in '76). Or put it on just on the weekends if
worst came to worst. Besides, it would give the fans of the show a
chance to see how it evolved from the beginning. "Celebrity Charades"
wasn't the most popular of shows, whereas considering "Joker's" long run,
it's probably top 20 or 30 of all time?
ralph mcginnis
Wild". Johnny "Chuch Barris shows' announcer" Jacobs was the announcer.
I read that Johnny "Jeopardy's announcer" Gilbert was announcer for the
later "The Joker's Wild" shows on CBS. I wonder if knowing the Johnny
Jacobs was the announcer, either in 1972 or now, would make "The
Joker's Wild" look worse than it is since Mr. Jacobs was known as the
announcer of such game shows as "The Newlywed Game" and "The Dating
Game".
Sincerely,
Ralph W. McGinnis
Stephan Mynarkiewicz
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Nope...they showed the next 2 eps today and yesterday, so I think it's safe
to say that they have most (if not all) of the CBS run.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
ralph mcginnis
can at least show:
1. The first show that somebody won the Joker's Jackpot
2. The last Johnny Jacob-announced show.
3. The first Johnny Gilbert-announced show.
4. The first show with "Jokers and Devil" bonus game.
5. The first show with "Money and Devil" bonus game.
6. The last Joker's Wild on CBS.
GSN could also show the shows where the first Joker's Wild "Tournament
of Champions" players won their $25,000.
Ralph
ralph mcginnis
shows, such as "The Newlywed Game" and "The Dating Game", was also the
first announcer on the CBS version of "The Joker's Wild" (Johnny Gilbert
was the later announcer on the CBS version.). Since Chuck Barris is
known for sleasy game shows and Jack Barry was remembered for being part
of the quiz-show fixing scandal of the 1950's, I wonder if having Johnny
Jacobs on, among other things, would have made some people believe that
"The Joker's Wild" was not on the up-and-up.
On another note, if CBS had their way, according to Steven Bentley, I
believe, Mr. Jacobs would have said, and the quote may not be exact:
"From Television City in Hollywood, CBS
presents a new exiting game show "The
Jokers Wild". And here is the host, Tom
Kennedy (Dennis James, Wink Martindale).
It seemed like CBS was reluctant to have Mr. Barry as host of the show,
due to his association with game-show rigging (i.e. "Twenty-One").
West
Hap E. Holiday
> Johnny Jacobs, who was best known as the announcer on Chuck Barris's
> shows, such as "The Newlywed Game" and "The Dating Game", was also the
> first announcer on the CBS version of "The Joker's Wild" (Johnny Gilbert
> was the later announcer on the CBS version.). Since Chuck Barris is
> known for sleasy game shows and Jack Barry was remembered for being part
> of the quiz-show fixing scandal of the 1950's, I wonder if having Johnny
> Jacobs on, among other things, would have made some people believe that
> "The Joker's Wild" was not on the up-and-up.
Nah...Johnny was a fine announcer, and if anything, it made the show better
to have his voice gracing it.
>
> On another note, if CBS had their way, according to Steven Bentley, I
> believe, Mr. Jacobs would have said, and the quote may not be exact:
>
> "From Television City in Hollywood, CBS
> presents a new exiting game show "The
> Jokers Wild". And here is the host, Tom
> Kennedy (Dennis James, Wink Martindale).
>
> It seemed like CBS was reluctant to have Mr. Barry as host of the show,
> due to his association with game-show rigging (i.e. "Twenty-One").
Indeed...but sometimes taking a chance can pay off!
Dixon Hayes
> presents a new exiting game show "The
> Jokers Wild". And here is the host, Tom
> Kennedy (Dennis James, Wink Martindale).
Weren't they all spoken for at the time? I mean, Wink had a show premiering on
CBS that very day (Gambit) and James and Kennedy were hosting shows on other
networks (I think James was hosting Name That Tune and I know Kennedy was
hosting Split Second).
Dixon
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Zach Horan
>CBS that very day (Gambit) and James and Kennedy were hosting shows on other
>networks (I think James was hosting Name That Tune and I know Kennedy was
>hosting Split Second).
Dennis James did not host Name that Tune until 1974's ill-fated NBC revival.
James was about to begin work on The New Price is Right in weekly syndication.
ralph mcginnis
also show the first episode where three jokers will only allow a
contestant to answer one question in a single category to win, not to
win automatically.
Ralph