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JC

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Oct 28, 2002, 3:39:28 AM10/28/02
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I would like to wrap up getting the rest of the game show themes by Score
Productions that arn't in circulation within this group yet. I know that we
have most of them, but what's left. All I can think of is HITMAN. Any others
that I need to know about? Also, how about top wants in the "Cue" department
from them (not including any TPIR music). I Think I want the prize music
from Press Your Luck. Post your lists here. I will be contacting my buddy
from Score at Weeks end with a short request list. Thanks everyone.


John


James R. Owen

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Oct 28, 2002, 8:16:42 AM10/28/02
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Well, I'd like to hear "The Big Showdown" from 1974-75, or as it is
titled in the IMDB, "Come To the Big Showdown." Is this already in
circulation among traders? Also hoping for "Money Maze." Maybe Score
could release a CD for public consumption (or just enough for ATGS).

Zach Horan

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Oct 28, 2002, 8:50:16 AM10/28/02
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> I would like to wrap up getting the rest of the game show themes by Score
>Productions that arn't in circulation within this group yet. I know that we
>have most of them, but what's left. All I can think of is HITMAN

The Dream House 1983-84 themes you mentioned at your site is another Score
theme that isn't circulated.

Chris Lemon

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Oct 28, 2002, 11:41:48 AM10/28/02
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You'd know better than me...is the Whew! theme a Score Productions piece?
I've never heard a dead-clean copy of that, and would love to have it...

How about the theme to Blackout, for that matter? Another favorite of
mine...

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Zach Horan

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>You'd know better than me...is the Whew! theme a Score Productions piece?
>I've never heard a dead-clean copy of that, and would love to have it...

Whew! is Alan Thicke's music.

>How about the theme to Blackout, for that matter?

I think it's the people who did Shopping Spree, another WOlpert show, Mark
Northam I think?

Pass the Cour-Foster-Gray

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Oct 28, 2002, 12:18:49 PM10/28/02
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Wasn't Dream House (83) done by Score? I know there's clips from the
closing credits, but still no clean theme.

Commissioner Penguin

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PYL Prize Music
Dream House


Mark Jeffries

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Oct 29, 2002, 1:04:23 PM10/29/02
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Actually, I believe it was a guy named Skip Lewis (?), who also wrote
the theme for Wolpert's "Rodeo Drive" and filled in as announcer when
Burton Richardson got a horrendous last-minute case of laryngytis
("This is Burton Richardson *trying* to speak for 'Rodeo Drive'...").
Burton sounded great doing the first round whisper, though.

JC

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Oct 29, 2002, 4:04:38 PM10/29/02
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For the people who have requested Dream House. I don't think that was done
by Score Productions.


John


Kathy's Guy Since 6/16/02

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Oct 29, 2002, 5:53:17 PM10/29/02
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"JC" <unava...@private.net> wrote in message
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> For the people who have requested Dream House. I don't think that was
done
> by Score Productions.

It was actually done by ex-Score staffer Mike Malone.

Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")


JC

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"Kathy's Guy Since 6/16/02" <chuc...@optonline.net> wrote

> It was actually done by ex-Score staffer Mike Malone.

------------------------------

So you can pretty much confirm that Mike wasn't with Score anymore when
he wrote it so it wouldn't be in the Score Vault, right? I'm pretty sure
that I checked on this one years ago and they didn't have it. I would have
definately had it by now if I had known Score had it. I'm still trying to
get it. I will try to get in touch with Mike soon to snag a copy for us.


John

Brandon Brooks

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Oct 30, 2002, 2:39:50 AM10/30/02
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"JC" <unava...@private.net> wrote in message
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Well, I have a question then. Is there a site that lists all the game show
themes Score Productions has created?

Brandon Brooks


Zach Horan

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>Well, I have a question then. Is there a site that lists all the game show
>themes Score Productions has created?

http://scoreproductions.com/FCredit.html
It might be not be all the shows they've worked on, but it gives a pretty
exhaustive list.

Pass the Cour-Foster-Gray

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Oct 30, 2002, 9:09:54 AM10/30/02
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> Well, I have a question then. Is there a site that lists all the game show
> themes Score Productions has created?

www.scoreproductions.com

:-)

Mark

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Oct 30, 2002, 2:22:31 PM10/30/02
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> from them (not including any TPIR music).

Just wondering, if this also means cues taken from other shows that are now
used on TPIR like NYSI. Id love to hear some of the NYSI cues, as well as
concentration and some more Family Feud Cues in the full. I especially like
the guitar cue used most often in the 70s. I dont think much more than the
harmonica cue was used during the later years of Dawson's. (well except for
the opening anyway).

Thanks


Brandon Brooks

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"Pass the Cour-Foster-Gray" <FstrG...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Well if that's the case, does anyone have these Score Productions themes?:

The Last Word (Turner Television)
Sweethearts (Richard Reid Productions)
Bargain Hunters (ABC)
Perfect Match (Lorimar-Telepictures)
Hit Man (NBC) To Tell The Truth
(Goodson-Todman)
The Big Showdown (ABC)
Rhyme & Reason (ABC)
Money Maze (ABC)
Honeymoon Race (ABC)
Everbody's Talking (ABC)
He Said She Said (NBC)
Generation Gap
The Last Word (Turner Television)
Sweethearts (Richard Reid Productions)
Bargain Hunters (ABC)
Perfect Match (Lorimar-Telepictures)
Hit Man (NBC) To Tell The Truth
(Goodson-Todman)
The Big Showdown (ABC)
Rhyme & Reason (ABC)
Money Maze (ABC)
Honeymoon Race (ABC)
Everbody's Talking (ABC)
He Said She Said (NBC)
Generation Gap

Brandon Brooks


Brandon Brooks

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Oct 30, 2002, 2:41:32 PM10/30/02
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"Brandon Brooks" <Brandon...@NOSPAMYahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Pass the Cour-Foster-Gray" <FstrG...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:87acb9f9.02103...@posting.google.com...
> > "Brandon Brooks" <Brandon...@NOSPAMYahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<apo2c4$raq$1...@news.acns.nwu.edu>...
> > > Well, I have a question then. Is there a site that lists all the game
> show
> > > themes Score Productions has created?
> >
> > www.scoreproductions.com
> >
> > :-)
>
> Well if that's the case, does anyone have these Score Productions themes?:

Oops.

Oops.

Brandon Brooks


TADXN

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Oct 30, 2002, 3:41:00 PM10/30/02
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In article <appbt2$pt7$1...@news.acns.nwu.edu>, "Brandon Brooks"
<Brandon...@NOSPAMYahoo.com> writes:

>Well if that's the case, does anyone have these Score Productions themes?:
>
>The Last Word (Turner Television)
>Sweethearts (Richard Reid Productions)
>Bargain Hunters (ABC)
>Perfect Match (Lorimar-Telepictures)
>Hit Man (NBC) To Tell The Truth
> (Goodson-Todman)
>The Big Showdown (ABC)
>Rhyme & Reason (ABC)
>Money Maze (ABC)
>Honeymoon Race (ABC)
>Everbody's Talking (ABC)
>He Said She Said (NBC)
>Generation Gap

What about $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime (the FIRST theme)?

Mark Jeffries

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Oct 30, 2002, 3:58:09 PM10/30/02
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"Brandon Brooks" <Brandon...@NOSPAMYahoo.com> wrote in message news:<apo2c4$raq$1...@news.acns.nwu.edu>...
> Well, I have a question then. Is there a site that lists all the game show
> themes Score Productions has created?

The closest is at their own web site (where there are RealAudio
samples of their themes)--www.scoreproductions.com. However, I
believe it's still only a partial list.

Kathy's Guy Since 6/16/02

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Was The Guiness Game written by Score? If so, you can definitely add that to
the list.

Kathy's Guy Since 6/16/02

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Oct 30, 2002, 6:02:06 PM10/30/02
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Also, a complete copy of the Password '75 theme would be nice, as well as
The Big Showdown.

Zach Horan

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Oct 30, 2002, 7:16:40 PM10/30/02
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>) To Tell The Truth
> (Goodson-Todman)

I think all the Score TTTT themes are either at the SUpersite or on the first
CD.

Zach Horan

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>Was The Guiness Game written by Score? If so, you can definitely add that to
>the list.

I think it was, but they misname the title as Guinness Book for Records at the
website

Dave Mackey

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Oct 30, 2002, 8:55:12 PM10/30/02
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"Mark Jeffries" <mjef...@krw.com> wrote in message
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> zach...@aol.com (Zach Horan) wrote in message
news:<20021028114416...@mb-ft.aol.com>...
> > >
> > >You'd know better than me...is the Whew! theme a Score Productions
piece?
> > >I've never heard a dead-clean copy of that, and would love to have
it...
> >
> > Whew! is Alan Thicke's music.
> >
> > >How about the theme to Blackout, for that matter?
> >
> > I think it's the people who did Shopping Spree, another WOlpert show,
Mark
> > Northam I think?
>
> Actually, I believe it was a guy named Skip Lewis (?), who also wrote
> the theme for Wolpert's "Rodeo Drive"

Walter "Chip" Lewis / Middle C Productions did the music for most of
Wolpert's shows, post "Hit Man".

Dave


Curt Alliaume

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Oct 30, 2002, 9:45:48 PM10/30/02
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In article <5fZv9.1281$sZ4...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, "Kathy's Guy Since
6/16/02" <chuc...@optonline.net> writes:

>Was The Guiness Game written by Score? If so, you can definitely add that to
>the list.

Had to be -- it was a revamped version of a Money Maze cue, and Money Maze was
done by Score.

-- Curt Alliaume
----------------------
Game Shows '75
http://www.curtalliaume.com/gameshow.html

Brandon Brooks

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Simple mistake, Zach. Thanks anyway.

Brandon Brooks


Brandon Brooks

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"Kathy's Guy Since 6/16/02" <chuc...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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I actually have that theme.

Brandon Brooks


Dan Sadro

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Oct 31, 2002, 1:29:36 AM10/31/02
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And, since you have that theme, that means that JC must have the theme,
seventy cues, and a thousand four hundred vamps for the game :^D

--
Dan Sadro
reply: dan [@] sadro [.] com

JC

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Oct 31, 2002, 4:06:08 AM10/31/02
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Was The Guiness Game written by Score? If so, you can definitely add that to
the list.

---------------------------------


I actually have that theme.

----------------------------------


>
> And, since you have that theme, that means that JC must have the theme,
> seventy cues, and a thousand four hundred vamps for the game :^D

----------------------------------

LOL! That could be true. However I was never a fan of the show and don't
remember what the theme sounds like. So the music is probably in my
Unidentified Bin since I can't ever remember printing out a label for it.


John


Raydad2002

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Oct 31, 2002, 4:24:40 AM10/31/02
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"JC" <unava...@private.net> wrote in message news:<4J6v9.34131$gA1.1...@news2.east.cox.net>...
> I would like to wrap up getting the rest of the game show themes by Score
> Productions that arn't in circulation within this group yet. I know that we
> have most of them, but what's left. All I can think of is HITMAN. Any others
> that I need to know about?

I'm not sure about this but how about the themes to the Nickelodeon
game show after "Double Dare"? You know...

Finders Keepers
Think Fast
Get The Picture
Make The Grade
Nick Arcade

These were done by Score, weren't they? If so...

Dan Sadro

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Oct 31, 2002, 4:33:54 AM10/31/02
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Raydad2002;
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No... I'm pretty sure those were Kalehoff tunes.

Dan Sadro

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JC;
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>> And, since [Brandon has] that theme, that means that JC must have the theme,


>> seventy cues, and a thousand four hundred vamps for the game :^D
>----------------------------------
>
> LOL! That could be true. However I was never a fan of the show and don't
>remember what the theme sounds like. So the music is probably in my
>Unidentified Bin since I can't ever remember printing out a label for it.

Hmm... well, if you're ever bored, it's arranged similarly to "Second
Chance" with a bit of "Family Feud" on a bad acid trip. Brandon has
been dispatched to your Unidentified Bin and will commence finding as
soon as he puts on the safety gloves.

Zach Horan

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Oct 31, 2002, 7:47:09 AM10/31/02
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>Finders Keepers
>Think Fast
>Get The Picture
>Make The Grade
>Nick Arcade
>
>These were done by Score, weren't they? If so...

Edd Kaleoff did the FK theme, Dan Vitco did the GtP theme.

Raydad2002

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I got a "Match Game" cue in mind that has not been said yet and should
be found...

I remember hearing that around '75 or '76 they [G/T] were trying out
new cues from the show which really didn't fly well. One I really
liked was one that was a bit slow paced, real mellow, sounded like
porn music from that era. Real heavy on the guitar, it's hard to
explain in words.

Others included...

-Hit Man (which I believe has been said already)
-He Said, She Said
-Rhyme & Reason
-The FULL themes to 2nd Chance & Trump Card
-Iv'e Got A Secret (early 70's [synd], opening and closing theme)
-The View (I know it's a talk show, but I can see it as a 'PiR cue for
some reason)

There's my suggestions!

Zach Horan

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Oct 31, 2002, 12:45:58 PM10/31/02
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>Others included...

>-He Said, She Said

This was used as music for the "Who's Who" segment in the later years of syndie
WML, right?


Mark Jeffries

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> Raydad2002;
> <3b74ede7.02103...@posting.google.com>

> >I'm not sure about this but how about the themes to the Nickelodeon
> >game show after "Double Dare"? You know...
> >
> >Finders Keepers
> >Think Fast
> >Get The Picture
> >Make The Grade
> >Nick Arcade
> >
> >These were done by Score, weren't they? If so...
>
> No... I'm pretty sure those were Kalehoff tunes.

"Get the Picture" was Dan Sticco, whose other credits outside of being
SFX man and occasional supplier of live music cues on HA!/Comedy
Central's "Clash" escape me. I don't remember "Nick Arcade," but it
wasn't Kalehoff--back then, a Kalehoff theme was always instantly
identifiable as a Kalehoff theme, and "Nick Arcade" did not sound like
Kalehoff.

Dan Sadro

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Mark Jeffries;
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Hmm... maybe that idiot Dan Sadro should reread his post before hitting
"Send."

[sigh] off to the GSN-ised PYL room for me...

Robair

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"Dan Sadro" <sp...@sadro.com> wrote in message
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That piece of music, by the way, was used as theme music from 1979-1981
for New York Mets baseball television and radio broadcasts. I still
feel like upchucking whenever I hear it, since those teams back then
basically bit the wax tadpole.

More TPIR cues especially from 1972 and 1974.

--Robair


Zach Horan

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Oct 31, 2002, 8:07:52 PM10/31/02
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>"Get the Picture" was Dan Sticco, whose other credits outside of being
>SFX man and occasional supplier of live music cues on HA!/Comedy
>Central's "Clash" escape me

Dan Vitco was the composer of the GtP theme.


Brandon Brooks

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You knew the answer to that question, Zach. Stop flexing your muscles.

Brandon Brooks


Emperor Blitz

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Oct 31, 2002, 9:16:13 PM10/31/02
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>You knew the answer to that question, Zach. Stop flexing your muscles.

He thinks that some of have forgotten his trolling ways too.

FOAD Zach. Or apologize.

Chuck
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"I'm so in love and so alive...'cos you're so beautiful...."--Def Leppard.

Kathy's Guy Since 6/16/02

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> -The FULL themes to 2nd Chance & Trump Card

A full version of the IGaS '76/SC theme is already circulating.

Richard Hudson

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On 31 Oct 2002 09:43:30 -0800, contes...@hotmail.com (Raydad2002)
wrote:

>I got a "Match Game" cue in mind that has not been said yet and should
>be found...
>
>I remember hearing that around '75 or '76 they [G/T] were trying out
>new cues from the show which really didn't fly well. One I really
>liked was one that was a bit slow paced, real mellow, sounded like
>porn music from that era. Real heavy on the guitar, it's hard to
>explain in words.


Those cues actually sound better than the regular Match Game 7x cues.

Or mabye they just sounded better because the old cues just got
annoying after awhile.

Richard Hudson

Richard Hudson

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On 31 Oct 2002 09:43:30 -0800, contes...@hotmail.com (Raydad2002)
wrote:

>-Iv'e Got A Secret (early 70's [synd], opening and closing theme)


>-The View (I know it's a talk show, but I can see it as a 'PiR cue for
>some reason)

Do you have the closing theme to this verson?

SheaJim

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In early episodes of "The (New) Price Is Right," Edd Kalehoff is credited as
music supervisor. I suppose Kalehoff was given this assignment in the beginning
because of his familiarity with the show's music package.

I understand that Score Productions employee Michael Malone held the music
supervisor job for some period of time in the 1970s. By late in the decade,
Goodson-Todman staffer Bart Eskander had the post. And when Eskander was
promoted to associate director, Stanley Blits took his place in the audio
booth.

Can anyone verify these facts? Were there other music supervisors on the show?

For what it's worth, the music selections and usage in the '70s episodes were
far, far superior to what has been practiced in more recent times. There are
many great cues sitting on the shelf, gathering dust.

Mark Jeffries

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> In early episodes of "The (New) Price Is Right," Edd Kalehoff is credited as
> music supervisor. I suppose Kalehoff was given this assignment in the beginning
> because of his familiarity with the show's music package.
>
> I understand that Score Productions employee Michael Malone held the music
> supervisor job for some period of time in the 1970s. By late in the decade,
> Goodson-Todman staffer Bart Eskander had the post. And when Eskander was
> promoted to associate director, Stanley Blits took his place in the audio
> booth.
>
> Can anyone verify these facts? Were there other music supervisors on the show?

Actually, Michael Malone was the original music supervisor. Kalehoff
was (and is) credited for the music because he supervised the
composing and recording of the original music package--or he won the
credit in a poker game with Bob Israel. :) Malone didn't get credit
until a few years into the run (his first G-T credit was on "Now You
See It"). He then started getting credit on other G-T series. At the
same time, he was going out with Adrienne Barbeau, which got him
camera time every so often on "Tattletales" as a celeb guest.

Malone left G-T to work with Jay Wolpert on "Whew!" and was replaced
by Eskander (and by Karen Russak on "MG," even though the music was
pretty much set by then--even the "Stars and Stripes Forever" and
"Stripper" carts there when needed), who was then replaced by Blits,
whose had the job ever since.

chris319

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It is not implausible that Kalehoff was the first music supervisor on TPIR.
Score Productions liked to have someone act basically as a "music producer" for
its clients and this may have been Kalehoff in the beginning due to his
familiarity with the cues. Malone, whom I believe was a G-T employee and was
gone before I got there, was likely hired to free Kalehoff from TPIR so he could
go back to composing. Malone then acted as G-T's in-house music producer which
involved associating certain cues with certain games and prizes on TPIR,
procuring special showcase music, and working the show. As G-T's in-house music
producer he would have been responsible for selecting music cues for other
shows. This generally consisted of selecting cues for ticket plugs, commercial
bumpers, contestant entrances, win cues, etc. Malone may not have worked on all
tapings of all G-T shows. Once the music for a show was set, the job of running
a show could be left to a P.A. who simply had to time and log the use of music
cues. At CBS the "music supervisor" would also cue the music -- at NBC the A.D.
cued the music.

Someone from outside GT, I wish I could remember who, told me that Mike Malone
left G-T "for cause" and that Edd Kalehoff was somehow involved. I was never
able to authenticate this story so I can't vouch for its veracity. This
supposedly explains why Edd Kalehoff stopped doing music for G-T in the mid- and
late-'70s. (My apologies in advance to the parties involved if that account is
inaccurate.) During this time, for startups of G-T shows Score Productions sent
out a fellow named Elliot Schrager to act as music producer. He used to attend
the week of rehearsals and made sure that all of the necessary cues were in
place, and also trained the P.A. who would ultimately time the usage of music
cues. Elliot would probably go back to New York with a good idea of how much
music a show would use so that Score Productions would have a good idea of
whether or not usage was being reported accurately. Elliot Schrager is now with
a company called Signature Sound.

Stan Blits went to work on TPIR as a production assistant about six weeks after
I came to G.T. When Bob Gray passed away Bart got the A.D. job (he had been
doing some stage managing and got a DGA card -- surprisingly the job didn't go
to Andrew Felsher) and Stan was promoted to P.A. in charge of music, or "music
supervisor" on TPIR. In 1984, years after the departure of Mike Malone, Goodson
offered Stan the position of music supervisor for the entire company (by then
Mark Goodson Productions).

If anyone can offer a more accurate account of these events I would like to hear
them.

Dan Sadro

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>This
>supposedly explains why Edd Kalehoff stopped doing music for G-T in the mid- and
>late-'70s. (My apologies in advance to the parties involved if that account is
>inaccurate.)

[...]


>If anyone can offer a more accurate account of these events I would like to hear
>them.

Quite an interesting read, thank you.

The only thing I can add (or subtract) is that unless I've been lied to
for the last few years, Kalehoff scored MG-HSq and CS'86, which would
have been well after when he supposedly stopped doing music for G-T.
Then again, it was G minus T by then...

Randy West

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Nov 13, 2002, 11:06:05 AM11/13/02
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From the few details I know, it sounds like you've got the story
straight, Chris.

I'll just add that Stan was among the several employees in studio 33
at various times who used to participate in Johnny O's warm-up by
humorously demonstrating the right (and wrong ways) to "come on down"
and make the move from contestants' row to stage.

Mike Malone was stage manager for some of the shows I worked with Wink
Martindale and Ryan Seacrest for FAM in the early 1990s, and he is
still working as a stage manager. Among the stories we shared about
his years at Goodson-Todman was the lingering doubt he had about a
somewhat obvious cut he needed to make in the razor blade / splicing
tape era of editing: The splice early in the "Match Game" theme for
the Rayburn era. You can hear the original track on the Game Show
Themes CD.

Randy
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chris319

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Nov 13, 2002, 11:59:24 AM11/13/02
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>The only thing I can add (or subtract) is that unless I've been lied to
>for the last few years, Kalehoff scored MG-HSq and CS'86, which would
>have been well after when he supposedly stopped doing music for G-T.

He also did Trivia Trap which debuted in 1984.

I wonder if Stan had anything to do with the mending of fences between Kalehoff
and Goodson when he took over music for MGP in 1984. He was not around at the
time Mike Malone left the company so I don't know what he knows about any
alleged rift.

BTW Stan swears it was Kalehoff who composed the TPIR theme, not Sheila Cole
Israel.

Mark Jeffries

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Nov 13, 2002, 11:58:09 AM11/13/02
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> It is not implausible that Kalehoff was the first music supervisor on TPIR.
<snip>

> Someone from outside GT, I wish I could remember who, told me that Mike Malone
> left G-T "for cause" and that Edd Kalehoff was somehow involved. I was never
> able to authenticate this story so I can't vouch for its veracity. This
> supposedly explains why Edd Kalehoff stopped doing music for G-T in the mid- and
> late-'70s. (My apologies in advance to the parties involved if that account is
> inaccurate.)

As usual, you have a better idea, but I do recall Kalehoff being
credited with the music for the 80s revival of "Card Sharks"--and
approximately every five airings of that version on GSN, someone can
doublecheck on that.

chris319

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Nov 13, 2002, 12:01:28 PM11/13/02
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>From the few details I know, it sounds like you've got the story
>straight, Chris.

Did he ever tell you why he left G-T?

Dan Sadro

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Nov 13, 2002, 12:27:07 PM11/13/02
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chris319;
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>BTW Stan swears it was Kalehoff who composed the TPIR theme, not Sheila Cole
>Israel.

Well, that certainly would make sense.

Kalehoff has been credited with the TPiR cue package. Many of the early
cues were vamps on the main theme (a definite trademark of Kalehoff), as
was the original opening piece.

Kalehoff was also a master of Moog, so I've been told, and he did the
synthesiser work for "Theme from the Anderson Tapes." (Didn't he also
do the simple but brilliant '73 Concentration package?)

As an amateur composer/arranger myself, I can't fathom having one
composer write the theme and another write an entire cue package -- the
arrangement styles would be remarkably different and it would definately
be a waste of time.

Chris Lemon

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Nov 13, 2002, 12:40:22 PM11/13/02
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> (Didn't he also
> do the simple but brilliant '73 Concentration package?)

Amen to this, by the way. The 70's Concentration theme is about as
representative (in a good way) as a game show theme gets its era.

(You don't know what I'd give for GSN to get the rights to Concentration. I
know it'll never happen, but damn. I think on TVParty.com there's a clip of
Johnny Olsen reading the HeadStarts for an upcoming match, and it's great.
Jack Narz was one of the more underrated hosts of his era, too.)


Zach Horan

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Nov 13, 2002, 1:07:15 PM11/13/02
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>
>As usual, you have a better idea, but I do recall Kalehoff being
>credited with the music for the 80s revival of "Card Sharks"--and
>approximately every five airings of that version on GSN, someone can
>doublecheck on that.

I believe Edd's name is in the credits as "Edd K. for Score Prods."

Pass the Cour-Foster-Gray

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> Mike Malone was stage manager for some of the shows I worked with Wink
> Martindale and Ryan Seacrest for FAM in the early 1990s, and he is
> still working as a stage manager. Among the stories we shared about
> his years at Goodson-Todman was the lingering doubt he had about a
> somewhat obvious cut he needed to make in the razor blade / splicing
> tape era of editing: The splice early in the "Match Game" theme for
> the Rayburn era. You can hear the original track on the Game Show
> Themes CD.

I remembered seeing the name "Mike Malone" in the credits of CS 2K1,
and had wondered if he was the same Malone, esp. since it was a
Goodson show. Thanks for confirming something I had been wondering for
a while now. :-)

SheaJim

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Nov 14, 2002, 12:26:13 AM11/14/02
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I have a couple "New Price Is Right" episodes on tape that credit Edd Kalehoff
as "music supervisor."

For reasons that Chris explained, it makes sense that the "executive producer"
of the original music would be there in the early days to define its usage on
the show. And by executive producer I mean that Kalehoff supervised creation of
the music package -- from guiding the group of composers who wrote the melodies
and arrangements, to possibly directing the recording sessions, to editing the
finished tunes into cues.

chris319

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Nov 14, 2002, 4:14:39 AM11/14/02
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>As an amateur composer/arranger myself, I can't fathom having one
>composer write the theme and another write an entire cue package -- the
>arrangement styles would be remarkably different and it would definately
>be a waste of time.

I can see why there would need to be several arrangers for the original TPIR
music package, the primary reason being lead time. With all the themes, cues and
variations on themes and cues I can't see one person doing all of the arranging,
particularly with a deadline looming to get the music recorded, cut up into cues
and ready for the first taping. What boggles the mind is how the producers and
composers anticipated the musical needs of the show, from prize-specific cues
such as a pizzicato string cue for grandfather clocks, an organ solo for organs,
or "glamour" cues for furs and jewelry, to the sheer volume of cues that had to
sound different enough from one another that they could play Bonus Game and Five
Price Tags and run 10 showcases in a single week without it seeming like the
music was repeating itself.

One has to wonder how many music cues Barker has put the kybosh on because they
had become too associated with furs. There is a beautiful 6/8 harp and string
cue that you never hear any more which isn't a variation of any of the main TPIR
themes and which had become associated with furs. Jim, do you know the one I'm
talking about?

chris319

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Nov 14, 2002, 4:32:39 AM11/14/02
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>I do recall Kalehoff being
>credited with the music for the 80s revival of "Card Sharks"

We've established that Kalehoff resumed his musical association with G-T in the
mid-'80s with CS, MG-HS and Trivia Trap. We're not sure if Stan had anything to
do with this reunion as he was named company music supervisor in 1984.

During the post-Malone/pre-Blits era, Goodson had a two-show fling with Bob
Cobert, which I imagine was engineered by That's My Line producer-director and
Bob Stewart veteran Mike Gargiulo. Then it was back to Score for Tattletales II
and Child's Play, then E.K. for the three above-mentioned shows, with that other
music packager thrown in for CC.

Dave Mackey

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Nov 14, 2002, 8:48:14 AM11/14/02
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> One has to wonder how many music cues Barker has put the kybosh on because
they
> had become too associated with furs. There is a beautiful 6/8 harp and
string
> cue that you never hear any more which isn't a variation of any of the
main TPIR
> themes and which had become associated with furs. Jim, do you know the one
I'm
> talking about?

I know which one, there are french horns or trombones that come in on the
second chorus. They used it for a Dennis James nighttime showcase once.
There were others of the same framework with different orchestration
(there's a trumpet lead, a flute lead, etc.) and I think they're all gone
from the show now.

Robair was going to do a webpage with off-air copies of all the music Price
has ever used, but I don't know what became of it.


chris319

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Nov 14, 2002, 2:12:09 PM11/14/02
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>I know which one, there are french horns or trombones that come in on the
>second chorus.

Trombones.

Dave Mackey

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"chris319" <c319...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >I know which one, there are french horns or trombones that come in on the
> >second chorus.
>
> Trombones.

Me not recognizing trombones? Wow, it has been a long time since I've heard
those cues.


Mark Jeffries

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I think you mean 1987 "BB"--I thought it was pretty much verified that
the "EOTGS" made an error regarding "CC." Score Productions did the
music (the theme was the "Body Language" ticket cue) and Buddy Piper
was given a "based on an idea by" credit for the show that he had been
receiving since the last years of the network version of
"Concentration" (which was probably NBC's attempt to avoid a lawsuit).

In fact, Piper has a web page where he credits himself as the
co-creator of "Classic Concentration:"

http://www.simedia.org/Buddy/

One of these days, I'd love to hear what Bob Noah has to say about
that.

Kathy's Guy Since 6/16/02

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> In fact, Piper has a web page where he credits himself as the
> co-creator of "Classic Concentration:"
>
> http://www.simedia.org/Buddy/

He also created (rightfully) Face the Music, which is included on his
resume.

chris319

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>I know which one, there are french horns or trombones that come in on the
>second chorus.
>
> Trombones.
>
>Me not recognizing trombones? Wow, it has been a long time since I've heard
>those cues.

I wonder if we're thinking of the same cue. In the one I'm thinking of, the
plucked harp carries the lead. If I can find it I'll make you an mp3.

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