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Ronald "The Fast Food Junkie" McDonald

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Jan 14, 2004, 3:35:05 PM1/14/04
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What is Amy's ethnic background? She is obviously of Asian descent but
is she Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Laos?


Duff Man

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Jan 14, 2004, 3:47:42 PM1/14/04
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"Ronald "The Fast Food Junkie" McDonald" <no...@none.ooo> wrote in message
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> What is Amy's ethnic background? She is obviously of Asian descent but
> is she Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Laos?
>
>

Martian.


Ronald "The Fast Food Junkie" McDonald

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Jan 14, 2004, 5:30:00 PM1/14/04
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No.. No.. No not her Nationality (Martian) her ethnic background.


Cameron

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Jan 14, 2004, 5:33:22 PM1/14/04
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She is from Mars?

~Cameron

Doug Tabacco

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Jan 14, 2004, 6:19:08 PM1/14/04
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"Ronald "The Fast Food Junkie" McDonald" <no...@none.ooo> wrote in message
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> What is Amy's ethnic background? She is obviously of Asian descent but
> is she Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Laos?

I'm pretty sure she's (mostly, at least) Chinese. In "War is the H Word"
Lee Lemon asks "Is she blond, Chinese, or cyclops?" I took it to mean that
the second one referred to Amy. Technically, she's Martian though :)
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Jonathan DeVowe

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Jan 14, 2004, 6:43:35 PM1/14/04
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Doug Tabacco wrote:

The language she speaks when she gets upset sounds more like Japanese
than Chinese though. I also think her parents wanting her to get married
so they can have a grandchild is a Japanese stereotype. I can't confirm
though.

Richard

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Jan 14, 2004, 6:53:01 PM1/14/04
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"Cameron" <dev...@foo-bar.invalid> wrote in message
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There is a lot of ambiguity following her ethnic background. She does speak
Chinese in some episodes. As for her second name, I don't know how many
countries have it as a common name, but one of my friends surname is Wong,
he comes from China originally.


Duff Man

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Jan 14, 2004, 6:51:50 PM1/14/04
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"Ronald "The Fast Food Junkie" McDonald" <no...@none.ooo> wrote in message
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> No.. No.. No not her Nationality (Martian) her ethnic background.
>
>

She's from Mars. Her ethnic background is Martian. From what I gather,
Martians are like Asians, but they're not...


Lone Locust of the Apocalypse

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Jan 14, 2004, 7:17:15 PM1/14/04
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Jonathan DeVowe <Add...@Upon.Request> writes:
>The language she speaks when she gets upset sounds more like Japanese
>than Chinese though.

If by "Chinese" you mean Mandarin, maybe. The language she speaks when
she gets upset sounds to me very much like Cantonese, and nothing
at all like Japanese. But obviously YMMV :-)

>I also think her parents wanting her to get married
>so they can have a grandchild is a Japanese stereotype.

I think that's common to many Asian ethnicities, as I suspect are many
of the stereotypical behaviors exhibited by the Wong parents.

I only have direct experience with one group though (I'm an ABC).

Gianluca

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Jan 14, 2004, 7:56:09 PM1/14/04
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well....i think it's an universal stereotype. A lot of mums want a
grandchild, due to have something to do when they'll stop to work......:)

Gianluca


Ronald "The Fast Food Junkie" McDonald

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Jan 14, 2004, 8:09:00 PM1/14/04
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But Amy's family is not indigenous to Mars, Remember in the episode
where the gang visits Leo and Inez on the Ranch and Leo talks about
how Sir Reginald Wong had flown to Mars and bought the Northern
Hemisphere (sic? Is that the right hemisphere) from the native
Martians so obviously Amy's family is from earth. I am to assume
that her ethnic background is Chinese or Japanese or something
to that effective.


Michael Zaite

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Jan 14, 2004, 9:37:31 PM1/14/04
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"Ronald "The Fast Food Junkie" McDonald" <no...@none.ooo> wrote in message
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But I don't think they pin down a time. I mean the Japanese came from
mainland china and or Korea (somewhere around there) way in the way way
back. So depending on how long ago it was when Sir Reginald Wong bought mars
(and started terriforming{sic?} it?) Amy could either be considered a
displaced Chinese or Martian.
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Fata Morgana

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Jan 14, 2004, 10:33:59 PM1/14/04
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"Jonathan DeVowe" <Add...@Upon.Request> wrote in message

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> Doug Tabacco wrote:
>

>
> The language she speaks when she gets upset sounds more like Japanese
> than Chinese though. I also think her parents wanting her to get married
> so they can have a grandchild is a Japanese stereotype. I can't confirm
> though.

As I recall from the commentaries on the first volume of the Futurama DVDs,
the language she's speaking is actually Chinese.

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SpiralOut

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Jan 15, 2004, 12:30:24 AM1/15/04
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I highly suspect that Matt is being ambiguous again with Amy's
ethnicity. If you look deep enough you will probably find examples
that suggest each of those ethnic backgrounds. Not unlike Springfield,
XX.

As far as her being Martian, native Martians are kinda Native American
Indian looking, if I recall her parents just bought one of the
hemisphere's from them, they weren't born there, though Amy might have
been.

Jim

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Jan 15, 2004, 1:37:01 AM1/15/04
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"Duff Man" <la...@duffbrewingcorporation.com> wrote in
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> She's from Mars. Her ethnic background is Martian.

Except that men are from Mars, women are from Venus...

Jim

Cameron

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Jan 15, 2004, 8:12:12 AM1/15/04
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Richard wrote:

I forget which one it is but she doesn't come from earth, it does say in
one of the episodes in season 4 I think.

~Cameron

Richard

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Jan 15, 2004, 9:33:25 AM1/15/04
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In the episode: "Where the Buggalo roam" when the martian finds out Amy is
from the Wong family, the martian cheif says "You mean family that took all
Martian land and gave us one lousy bead?." This to me suggests that they
moved into Mars and bought most of the land years and years ago. The word
"native" suggests original residents, thus the Wong are not originally
martians. Then you could argue (since the crew love having scientific fact
and myth weaved into Futurama) that the planet was terraformed and the
inhabitants (natives) also came from earth? As for her language, yes valid
point it could be cantonese or the latter. I don't know where Lauren Tom's
family originate, so couldn't take a guess what she'd be speaking. It
certainly isn't Japanese, I am currently taking a Japanese course, and
sounds like nothing i've came across.


Jym Dyer

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Jan 15, 2004, 9:45:09 AM1/15/04
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> Except that men are from Mars, women are from Venus...

=v= No, men from Omicron Persei 9, and women are from
Omicron Persei 7.
<_Jym_>
("And Popplers are from Heaven.")

Jym Dyer

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Jan 15, 2004, 9:47:06 AM1/15/04
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> ... (I'm an ABC).

=v= Alien Baby Cyclops?
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stevie

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Jan 16, 2004, 4:23:45 PM1/16/04
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:43:35 -0500, Jonathan DeVowe wrote:

> The language she speaks when she gets upset sounds more like Japanese
> than Chinese though.

In Season 2, Episode 12 (The Deep South) Amy shouts something when she
sees the sunken city of Atlanta for the first time. In the DVD commentary
they say it's real Chinese.

I agree that it doesn't sound Chinese to me, but it certainly isn't
Japanese.

Stefan

Kay Archer

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Jan 16, 2004, 4:46:36 PM1/16/04
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"stevie" <so...@no.spam> wrote in message
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There is no Chinese language, there are Mandarin and Cantonese. They, along
with Japanese*, use the same written language.

*Japanese has other written language as well.


Richard

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Jan 16, 2004, 9:04:24 PM1/16/04
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"Kay Archer" <kayhyphenarc...@antispam.com> wrote in message
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Japanese mainly uses Katakana, Hiragana and Rómaji. The japanese text is
mostly phonetics, so Hiragana for the most part with Katakana is used. It
also uses Kanji, which is Chinese characters n ideographs. If you were
looking at standard Japanese text, it doesn't look too similar, but still
you can see similarities. I think it's Katakana which is more assosiated
with Japanese (these are the symbols which have no curves involved really,
mostly straight lines at angels). As I say, I'm just new to Japanese, havn't
done too many classes, but as far as I picked up this is the story.

Yes, in that dvd commentry they say it is real Chinese according to Lauren
Tom, and John DiMaggio has said on other episodes it is Chinese too. They
didn't specify any further as to what it is (Mandarin/Cantonese). The only
person who can really tell us is a Mandrain/Cantonese speaker or student.


stevie

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Jan 17, 2004, 6:30:58 AM1/17/04
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:46:36 -0600, Kay Archer wrote:

>> I agree that it doesn't sound Chinese to me, but it certainly isn't
>> Japanese.
>>
>>
> There is no Chinese language, there are Mandarin and Cantonese. They, along
> with Japanese*, use the same written language.

First, they didn't say whether it was Mandarin, Cantonese, Hokka or some
other dialect. That's why I wrote Chinese. And to me it doesn't sound like
any Chinese dialect I've ever heard.

Many of the Japanese characters (Kanji) are the same as in Chinese but
many of them have taken on new meanings. And if you throw in Hiragana and
Katakana, which is normally the case in a Japanese text, I don't think a
Chinese speaker can easily read Japanese. The grammar is very, very
different as well. And yes, I speak Japanese.

Lone Locust of the Apocalypse

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Jan 20, 2004, 2:50:07 PM1/20/04
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"Richard" <ri...@richmail.com> writes:
>Yes, in that dvd commentry they say it is real Chinese according to Lauren
>Tom, and John DiMaggio has said on other episodes it is Chinese too. They
>didn't specify any further as to what it is (Mandarin/Cantonese). The only
>person who can really tell us is a Mandrain/Cantonese speaker or student.

I speak Mandarin. It's not Mandarin.

I believe it's Cantonese. But I don't speak Cantonese (although I've
heard a lot of it) so I can't be sure.

The Digital Dragon

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Jan 20, 2004, 6:51:23 PM1/20/04
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"Ronald \"The Fast Food Junkie\" McDonald" no...@none.ooo wrote:
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>What is Amy's ethnic background? She is obviously of Asian descent but
>is she Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Laos?

The language she speaks is vaguely identified as chinese in the DVD commentary,
i'd always assumed that Amy's family were originally from China and she was
second or third generation Martian, although I really don't have any evidence
of that.

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Jan 21, 2004, 12:58:58 PM1/21/04
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"The Digital Dragon" <deityh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Ronald \"The Fast Food Junkie\" McDonald" no...@none.ooo wrote:
> >
> >What is Amy's ethnic background? She is obviously of Asian descent but
> >is she Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Laos?
>
> The language she speaks is vaguely identified as chinese in the DVD
commentary,
> i'd always assumed that Amy's family were originally from China and she
was
> second or third generation Martian, although I really don't have any
evidence
> of that.

Her "ancestor" Sir Reginald Wong traded a bead to the native Martians for
the entire western hemisphere. If Reginald was her grandfather, they
probably would have mentioned it, so it's probably at least 4 generations.
Her sorority at Mars U. was Kappa Kappa Wong.


StefanW

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Jan 21, 2004, 2:07:10 PM1/21/04
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An amusing tidbit, at least to me, about Amy's Chinese-Martian
ethnicity is that in real life when NASA landed the first in the
series of land rovers on the Martian surface a lawsuit was filed by a
Chinese-American against NASA for illegally landing an unauthorized
craft on land claimed by the ancient Chinese. This person claimed that
the Chinese actually came to Earth from Mars and therefore still laid
claim to that land. I wish I had some time to find the article … this
was about five years ago. I always wondered if Amy's
nationality/ethnicity was some sort of reference to this lawsuit?

Stefan

sunwukong

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Jan 25, 2004, 5:00:13 PM1/25/04
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> "Kay Archer" <kayhyphenarc...@antispam.com> wrote in message
> news:bu9m1b$fcvlj$1...@ID-176353.news.uni-berlin.de...

> Yes, in that dvd commentry they say it is real Chinese according to


> Lauren Tom, and John DiMaggio has said on other episodes it is Chinese
> too. They didn't specify any further as to what it is
> (Mandarin/Cantonese). The only person who can really tell us is a
> Mandrain/Cantonese speaker or student.
>
>

I'm also an ABC who speaks (bad) Cantonese from time to time. As far as I
can tell, what Amy is speaking is lousy mangled Cantonese with a really bad
accent. I remember that she says something like "Saat say nay" in one of
her outbursts which translates literally in Cantonese to "kill dead you."

Kay Archer

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Jan 25, 2004, 8:10:01 PM1/25/04
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"sunwukong" <m...@feh.com> wrote in message
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Reminds me of my Korean friend that complained about the mangled Korean and
unintelligible accents on M*A*S*H...


sunwukong

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Jan 25, 2004, 9:11:45 PM1/25/04
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"Kay Archer" <kayhyphenarc...@antispam.com> wrote in
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Well, to be fair, my Cantonese has a horrible accent and is generally
lousy. So if anything, I emphathize with Lauren Tom rather than mock her :)

Besides, there's always the possibility that she was speaking a
mandarin/cantonese/japanese/whatever pidgin a la Blade Runner.

Lone Locust of the Apocalypse

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Jan 26, 2004, 6:16:41 PM1/26/04
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sunwukong <m...@feh.com> writes:
>I'm also an ABC who speaks (bad) Cantonese from time to time. As far as I
>can tell, what Amy is speaking is lousy mangled Cantonese with a really bad
>accent. I remember that she says something like "Saat say nay" in one of
>her outbursts which translates literally in Cantonese to "kill dead you."

Well, it may sound funny translated word for word, but this is one
of the phrases where the Mandarin and Cantonese are close enough
that I recognized it, and that is in fact the correct word order in
the expression...

Derrick

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Jun 3, 2004, 3:49:58 AM6/3/04
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Wow, the thread went on this long until you were the first to verify the
ethnicity of her language! Hahaha! As a Cantonese speaker, I can also
verify that she is, in fact, speaking Cantonese and *not* Mandarin.
There are lots of other phrases I recognize her saying, although some
are very difficult to understand due to her bad accent.

Derrick

Derrick

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Jun 3, 2004, 3:51:42 AM6/3/04
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Also, I should mention that "Wong" is a Chinese name.

Derrick

Scott Stevenson

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Jun 3, 2004, 3:15:36 PM6/3/04
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Well, Amy did grow up on Mars, so maybe that explains the accent...

take care,
Scott

Jym Dyer

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Jun 3, 2004, 3:15:23 PM6/3/04
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> There are lots of other phrases I recognize her saying,
> although some are very difficult to understand due to her
> bad accent.

=v= Let me ax you something: isn't it possible that on Mars
it *isn't* a bad accent?
<_Jym_>

Mark Allen Adams, Jr.

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Jun 8, 2004, 1:32:54 AM6/8/04
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Oy! Listen to Derrick's latest shpiel!

> Also, I should mention that "Wong" is a Chinese name.

And here I always thought it was Irish.

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