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ara...@my-deja.com

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In article <20000930181311...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
mari...@aol.com (Marika) wrote:
> I think this was in the episode where Frasier had just lost his job
and was
> taking on like a million new projects (cooking, having his fan club
over, etc.)
> He decided to write an opera about...2 people, but I cannot remember
who they
> were? It was something like "What is it that you feel?...Love...
{something
> somthing somthing] Love..."
>
> Anyone know what I'm talking about? And what were the rest of the
words?
>

I believe it was about Robert and Elizabeth Browning. I'm a bit vague
on the words, though...

"What is it that you feel...That fear which you conceal..."

Not an episode I've seen too many times.

--
Andrea

"When you invited me, did you say brunch for Mel or brunch from hell?!"


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Mike and Dorcie

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ara...@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <20000930181311...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
> mari...@aol.com (Marika) wrote:
> > I think this was in the episode where Frasier had just lost his job
> and was
> > taking on like a million new projects (cooking, having his fan club
> over, etc.)
> > He decided to write an opera about...2 people, but I cannot remember
> who they
> > were? It was something like "What is it that you feel?...Love...
> {something
> > somthing somthing] Love..."
> >
> > Anyone know what I'm talking about? And what were the rest of the
> words?
> >
>
> I believe it was about Robert and Elizabeth Browning. I'm a bit vague
> on the words, though...
>
> "What is it that you feel...That fear which you conceal..."
>
> Not an episode I've seen too many times.
>

I think this was one of the funniest things I have ever seen on 'Frasier,'
which is odd since it is in an episode that I can't watch anymore. I'm not
talking about the part where Frasier and Martin sing. I am referring to
the scene in the elevator later when Martin is singing it to himself
without realizing it. I have always thought it was a brilliant scene
because Martin sings it in a different way then the two had originally, so
it is necessary to pay close attention to the lyrics to get the joke.
Also, I find the way Martin sings it in the elevator sticks in my head more
than the way he and Frasier sing it.

>
> --
> Andrea
>
> "When you invited me, did you say brunch for Mel or brunch from hell?!"
>

Destined to be another classic line from 'Frasier.'

Speaking of the word 'classic,' I was reading some of the older reviews of
'Frasier' from 1994 and 1995. The critics actually referred to
yet-to-be-aired second season episodes that they were reviewing as "classic
'Frasier'." What kind of critic refers to a relatively new show as
"classic?" No wonder they are calling for the end of the show. They
thought it was old years ago. Sheesh.


Dorcie


Pets Rule

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Oct 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/1/00
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According to the Frasier files it's:

Frasier: What is it that you feel...
Martin: Of?
Frasier: That fear which you conceal...
Martin: Of?
Frasier: That powers that you heal...
Martin: Of?
Frasier: Reveeeall. Take me in your arms...

and then later:


Martin: What is this I feel, love. That fear that makes me conceal,
love.
Niles: Dad...
Martin: Was I doing it again? Damn. Was I doing it before Mrs. Walsh got off?
Niles: That's why Mrs. Walsh got off.

My favorite part of the episode is this though:


Daphne: I'd be happy to. [Niles appears starting to enter behind Daphne] And
then maybe after that I could draw a bath, strip you naked and scrub you with
a loafer. Would that be alright Dr. Crane?
Niles: Yes.

Daphne turns around, looks surprised and laughs. Niles also.

Daphne: I didn't even see you standing there. [Daphne exits]
Martin: [Gets up from chair] Hey Niles, can I talk to you about
something?
Niles: Yeah, just one second dad.

Niles shuts door, holds onto handle, waits for a moment and sighs.
Turns to face Martin...

Niles: 'kay

You said you can't watch it anymore, and yeah, i've seen it a lot, but it was a
good season premiere i think.


Mike and Dorcie

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Pets Rule wrote:

> According to the Frasier files it's:
>
> Frasier: What is it that you feel...
> Martin: Of?
> Frasier: That fear which you conceal...
> Martin: Of?
> Frasier: That powers that you heal...
> Martin: Of?
> Frasier: Reveeeall. Take me in your arms...
>

Uh, it is actually "love."

>
> and then later:
>
> Martin: What is this I feel, love. That fear that makes me conceal,
> love.
> Niles: Dad...
> Martin: Was I doing it again? Damn. Was I doing it before Mrs. Walsh got off?
> Niles: That's why Mrs. Walsh got off.
>

My favorite part.

>
> My favorite part of the episode is this though:
>
> Daphne: I'd be happy to. [Niles appears starting to enter behind Daphne] And
> then maybe after that I could draw a bath, strip you naked and scrub you with
> a loafer. Would that be alright Dr. Crane?
> Niles: Yes.
>
> Daphne turns around, looks surprised and laughs. Niles also.
>
> Daphne: I didn't even see you standing there. [Daphne exits]
> Martin: [Gets up from chair] Hey Niles, can I talk to you about
> something?
> Niles: Yeah, just one second dad.
>
> Niles shuts door, holds onto handle, waits for a moment and sighs.
> Turns to face Martin...
>
> Niles: 'kay
>

Great scene.

>
> You said you can't watch it anymore, and yeah, i've seen it a lot, but it was a
> good season premiere i think.

As I have probably said too many times, I just can not deal with all the pain and
especially embarassment that Frasier goes through. I am pretty sure it is because
that I started seeing him as a real person by the sixth season, and when I see it I
feel like I am watching a loved one go through hell, which would be very hard for
anyone to do.


Dorcie

s hawksworth

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Mike and Dorcie <miken...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:39D6E1FB...@mindspring.com...

> >
> > "When you invited me, did you say brunch for Mel or brunch from hell?!"
> >
>
> Destined to be another classic line from 'Frasier.'
>
> Speaking of the word 'classic,' I was reading some of the older reviews of
> 'Frasier' from 1994 and 1995. The critics actually referred to
> yet-to-be-aired second season episodes that they were reviewing as
"classic
> 'Frasier'." What kind of critic refers to a relatively new show as
> "classic?"

An amazingly perceptive one, who should be lauded for his discernment rather
than teased. Don't let's be nasty to the critics - only to the 95% who
deserve it. <g> Remember, Charles was a critic once, which proves that some
of them are human and not fiends from hell. Well, almost human! ;-)

> No wonder they are calling for the end of the show. They
> thought it was old years ago. Sheesh.
>

It is remotely possible that some people still use the word "classic" to
suggest long lasting quality, rather than as a synonym for "old", as the tv
program schedulers do. <g>

Sally


f_flower

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In article <20001001095938...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,

pets...@aol.com (Pets Rule) wrote:
> According to the Frasier files it's:
>
> Frasier: What is it that you feel...
> Martin: Of?
> Frasier: That fear which you conceal...
> Martin: Of?
> Frasier: That powers that you heal...
> Martin: Of?
> Frasier: Reveeeall. Take me in your arms...
>
> and then later:
>
> Martin: What is this I feel, love. That fear that makes me conceal,
> love.
> Niles: Dad...
> Martin: Was I doing it again? Damn. Was I doing it before Mrs. Walsh
got off?
> Niles: That's why Mrs. Walsh got off.
>
> My favorite part of the episode is this though:
>
> Daphne: I'd be happy to. [Niles appears starting to enter behind
Daphne] And
> then maybe after that I could draw a bath, strip you naked and scrub
you with
> a loafer. Would that be alright Dr. Crane?
> Niles: Yes.
>
> Daphne turns around, looks surprised and laughs. Niles also.
>
> Daphne: I didn't even see you standing there. [Daphne exits]
> Martin: [Gets up from chair] Hey Niles, can I talk to you about
> something?
> Niles: Yeah, just one second dad.
>
> Niles shuts door, holds onto handle, waits for a moment and sighs.
> Turns to face Martin...
>
> Niles: 'kay
>
This was an exceptional scene, and certainly hilarious, but I could've
sworn Daphne said loofa, not loafer. Just a thought...<g>

> You said you can't watch it anymore, and yeah, i've seen it a lot,
but it was a
> good season premiere i think.
>
>

--
Christy

Nineteen floors down to my car; garage doors electric; can't open;
twenty floors back up to your apartment; lost count; mean lady
upstairs; big dog; need place to die...

ara...@my-deja.com

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In article <8r8i1c$eqi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

f_flower <f_fl...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <20001001095938...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
> pets...@aol.com (Pets Rule) wrote:
> >
> > My favorite part of the episode is this though:
> >
> > Daphne: I'd be happy to. [Niles appears starting to enter behind
> Daphne] And
> > then maybe after that I could draw a bath, strip you naked and
scrub
> you with
> > a loafer. Would that be alright Dr. Crane?
> > Niles: Yes.
> >

> This was an exceptional scene, and certainly hilarious, but I could've


> sworn Daphne said loofa, not loafer. Just a thought...<g>

She did. Whoever transcribed it got a few things wrong. It happens. :)

>
> --
> Christy
>
> Nineteen floors down to my car; garage doors electric; can't open;
> twenty floors back up to your apartment; lost count; mean lady
> upstairs; big dog; need place to die...
>

Blast! That was going to be a .sig of mine!! Oh well, I suppose there
are plenty more. . . ;-)

--
Andrea

Daphne: "Where did Mrs. Crane go anyway?"
Niles: "She's making her annual pilgrimage to the holy land."
Martin: "I thought she was going to Dallas to visit her sister."
Niles: "Well, that is her holy land. It's the site of the first Neiman
Marcus."

Mike and Dorcie

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s hawksworth wrote:

> Mike and Dorcie <miken...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:39D6E1FB...@mindspring.com...
> > >

> > > "When you invited me, did you say brunch for Mel or brunch from hell?!"
> > >
> >
> > Destined to be another classic line from 'Frasier.'
> >
> > Speaking of the word 'classic,' I was reading some of the older reviews of
> > 'Frasier' from 1994 and 1995. The critics actually referred to
> > yet-to-be-aired second season episodes that they were reviewing as
> "classic
> > 'Frasier'." What kind of critic refers to a relatively new show as
> > "classic?"
>

> An amazingly perceptive one, who should be lauded for his discernment rather
> than teased. Don't let's be nasty to the critics - only to the 95% who
> deserve it. <g> Remember, Charles was a critic once, which proves that some
> of them are human and not fiends from hell. Well, almost human! ;-)
>

> > No wonder they are calling for the end of the show. They
> > thought it was old years ago. Sheesh.
> >
>

> It is remotely possible that some people still use the word "classic" to
> suggest long lasting quality, rather than as a synonym for "old", as the tv
> program schedulers do. <g>
>
> Sally

This is true, and something I forgot about.

Yet, would the word "classic" then refer to how good the episode is, and not to
whether or not the idea in it has been used before? The reason I ask this is
because I have noticed that the same critics, or periodicals anyway, are now
giving the newer episodes less than raving reviews due to the fact that, they
say, the story has been done before. If we use the definition that "classic"
refers to long lasting quality, then it shouldn't matter if the story has been
done before because the episode itself will be excellent. Yet this is not what
anyone is writing about 'Frasier."

The problem I have always had with someone giving plot retread as a reason for
not liking an episode is that I have not seen an original plot on a television
in many years. It still does not mean that the episodes today are trite and
dull. I remember reading a review of "RDWRER" and the critic said that the
episode wasn't very good because the plot had already been used in the first
season. I think that critic missed the point that even thought the story was
basically the same as "Travels with Martin," it was told in a different way,
and, IMHO, it was even better than the first season episode.


Dorcie


f_flower

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In article <8r8j05$fcn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Yeah, there are plenty of good sigs to choose from. Always finding and
thinking of new ones everyday. <g>
--
Christy

Nineteen floors down to my car; garage doors electric; can't open;
twenty floors back up to your apartment; lost count; mean lady
upstairs; big dog; need place to die...

lj...@my-deja.com

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In article <39D78EAE...@mindspring.com>,> >

> > You said you can't watch it anymore, and yeah, i've seen it a lot,
but it was a good season premiere i think.
>
> As I have probably said too many times, I just can not deal with all
the pain and especially embarassment that Frasier goes through. I am
pretty sure it is because that I started seeing him as a real person by
the sixth season, and when I see it I feel like I am watching a loved
one go through hell, which would be very hard for anyone to do.
>
> Dorcie
>

I found Season 6, at times, painful to watch. Like Dorcie, I had also
started to see Frasier (and the others) as 'real' people. And to watch
people you actually care about 'go through hell' is not funny.
Frasier's struggles to find a purpose without work, and Niles'
heartbreak over Daphne were more like tragedy than comedy! I still find
it difficult to watch the end of 'To Tell the Truth', and the proposal
makes me shudder. I think the writers went adrift in that season. A lot
of it was, of course, sublime, but it started to resemble a soap, not a
sit-com. Things only really started to turn around about half-way
though Season 7, (from 'Back Talk' onwards).

Anyway, those are my honest thoughts.

Cheers, Lindzey

Mike and Dorcie

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lj...@my-deja.com wrote:

I dunno. I loved the season opener, "Momma Mia." I thought it was funny,
witty, and just what the show needed to get it back on its feet after sixth
season. I also happen to think that the episode aired after that, "Father
of the Bride," is a classic. The only episode I did not really care for
before "Back Talk" was that episode where Niles and Frasier get their
signals crossed as to who the other is interested in. I believe this one
was called "Rivals."

Dorcie
--
It isn't smart to argue with a fool; listeners can't tell which is which

Pets Rule

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As i can see how you would feel bad for "someone" you "care about" have bad
things done to them, as a comedy TV show, i thought season 6 was really funny.
and as in tell the truth and the proposal, yes it is sad, but it also shows you
how much niles loves daphne.

ara...@my-deja.com

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In article <39DA523F...@mindspring.com>,
Mike and Dorcie <miken...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> lj...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >Things only really started to turn around about half-way
> > though Season 7, (from 'Back Talk' onwards).
> >
> > Anyway, those are my honest thoughts.
> >

> I dunno. I loved the season opener, "Momma Mia." I thought it was


funny,
> witty, and just what the show needed to get it back on its feet after
sixth
> season. I also happen to think that the episode aired after
that, "Father
> of the Bride," is a classic. The only episode I did not really care
for
> before "Back Talk" was that episode where Niles and Frasier get their
> signals crossed as to who the other is interested in. I believe this
one
> was called "Rivals."

Yeah, I didn't care for that one either, or "A Tsar is Born" - although
I've seen a few post here that REALLY liked it. My favorite of the
first half of season 7 was "Radio Wars." Although I realize that it was
a similar device as that from "Leapin' Lizards" from season 3, I
enjoyed "Radio Wars" much more -- probably because Frasier gets his
revenge at the end of "Wars."

>--
> It isn't smart to argue with a fool; listeners can't tell which is
which
>
>

Hey! Cool sig! :)

--
Andrea

"I can still hear the laughter. And Creasle's mocking voice as he
hoists me over the bowl--'Hold your breath, Jocko!' Then the crowd
would start its awful chant. 'There goes Crane, down the drain...There
goes Crane, down the drain...'"

Mike and Dorcie

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ara...@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <39DA523F...@mindspring.com>,
> Mike and Dorcie <miken...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > lj...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > >Things only really started to turn around about half-way
> > > though Season 7, (from 'Back Talk' onwards).
> > >
> > > Anyway, those are my honest thoughts.
> > >
>
> > I dunno. I loved the season opener, "Momma Mia." I thought it was
> funny,
> > witty, and just what the show needed to get it back on its feet after
> sixth
> > season. I also happen to think that the episode aired after
> that, "Father
> > of the Bride," is a classic. The only episode I did not really care
> for
> > before "Back Talk" was that episode where Niles and Frasier get their
> > signals crossed as to who the other is interested in. I believe this
> one
> > was called "Rivals."
>
> Yeah, I didn't care for that one either, or "A Tsar is Born" - although
> I've seen a few post here that REALLY liked it.

I did not like "A Tsar is Born" the first time I saw it. However, for some
odd reason, after watching it the second time I loved it. I especially
love the part where all three Crane men are watching tv together. I
thought that was a real nice scene.

> My favorite of the
> first half of season 7 was "Radio Wars." Although I realize that it was
> a similar device as that from "Leapin' Lizards" from season 3, I
> enjoyed "Radio Wars" much more -- probably because Frasier gets his
> revenge at the end of "Wars."

"Frasier Crane's Humoungous Ass Contest" was my favorite part. Just the
way the song went was hilarious. I thought the whole episode was
incredibly funny.

>
>
> >--
> > It isn't smart to argue with a fool; listeners can't tell which is
> which
> >
> >
>
> Hey! Cool sig! :)
>

Thank you

>
> --
> Andrea
>
> "I can still hear the laughter. And Creasle's mocking voice as he
> hoists me over the bowl--'Hold your breath, Jocko!' Then the crowd
> would start its awful chant. 'There goes Crane, down the drain...There
> goes Crane, down the drain...'"

Dorcie

f_flower

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In article <39DA653D...@mindspring.com>,
Unfortunately, I did see either of these episodes, and they don't seem
inclined to air again any time soon. However, I did see a clip of
Radio Wars, that showed about the "Frasier Crane's Gigantic Ass." Was
hilarious! Loved the song. Wish I could've seen the episode...<sigh>
--
Christy

Frasier: Dad, where are you going?

Martin: I'm gonna sit in the bathtub with a hair dryer and wait for
the power to come back on.

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