Daphne's accent
Tel
England? I saw her in a repeat of Seinfeld and her accent was even weirder
in that. Is she encouraged by the director to really ham it up? Do American
viewers know the difference?
ScallyUK
>Why can't Jane Leeves do an English accent despite having been born in
>England?
Because ...
A) South Londoners should not pretend they're Mancs
B) The producers haven't learned the difference between Mancunian and
Lancastrian.
C) Just about everybody else on "Frasier" is attempting a sorry British accent,
so why shouldn't she?
>I saw her in a repeat of Seinfeld and her accent was even weirder
>in that.
That was her real accent!
>Is she encouraged by the director to really ham it up?
I imagine so. Kelsey Grammer is.
> Do American viewers know the difference?
Not before we told them. I guess they're not as good as us in that department
-- most of them buy John Mahoney's.
If you think Jane Leeves is bad, do NOT see the "Two Mrs. Cranes" show with
Clive (Scott Atkinson) and definitely steer far clear of the one that took
place in a (supposedly) English pub.
Scals
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-- most of them buy John Mahoney's."
I don't get this. Are you saying you could tell John Mahoney was originally
British without being told? I think John's accent is impeccable, as evidenced
by his playing real "All American" types in countless films before his stint on
Frasier. Obviously Brits are more sensitive to accent flaws that Americans are.
How would we know the difference between a South London and Manchester accent?
I do think such things matter far less to us. Peri Gilpin's Roz is supposted to
be from the midwest but often sounds Texan, and it doesn't bother me.
Cassie
Robert Hampton
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> If you think Jane Leeves is bad, do NOT see the "Two Mrs. Cranes" show with
> Clive (Scott Atkinson) and definitely steer far clear of the one that took
> place in a (supposedly) English pub.
The English Pub episode was awful. Even Channel 4's announcer took the mickey
from it IIRC. It's not just accents either, it's other, little things. Didn't
one of the "English" people mention singing "Knees up Mother Brown"? I can't
imagine that happening anytime in the last 50 years, except maybe in a (very)
old people's home.
I'm sorry, you've got me started now. Bits from various episodes:
* "Bumberchute"(?) for umbrella? Never heard it in my life.
* Why does Daphne say "faucet" instead of "tap"?
* Daphne is an expert at Pool. Why not snooker?
Why, why, why? WHY?!
...
Oh, er... Frasier's just a sitcom, we shouldn't get too worked up about these
things, right?
Well, that's it, I dunno woss goin' orn anymore, I'm orf down the apples and
pears to get the trabble and stroife, then I'm garn down the auld rub-a-dub.
:-)
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eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> C) Just about everybody else on "Frasier" is attempting a sorry British
accent,
> so why shouldn't she?
Who is attempting a sorry British accent? Surely, you aren't suggesting that
Frasier and Niles are doing a British accent, are you?
> > Do American viewers know the difference?
The question should be "Do we care?"
> Not before we told them. I guess they're not as good as us in that department
> -- most of them buy John Mahoney's.
John Mahoney's? He doesn't have a British accent and the one time he mimicked
Daphne, it's just that... a mimic.
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ScallyUK
>The English Pub episode was awful. Even Channel 4's announcer took the mickey
>from it IIRC. It's not just accents either, it's other, little things. Didn't
>one of the "English" people mention singing "Knees up Mother Brown"? I can't
>imagine that happening anytime in the last 50 years, except maybe in a (very)
>old people's home.
It was a combination of the pathetic pseudo-accents (that make Gwyneth
Paltrow's contributions to the department look halfway credible) and the
insulting American-writing-Brit reasoning that every other word in a Brit's
vocabulary should be "bloody".
I seem to recall David Lee himself (or somebody) posting on here long long ago
that "Frasier" actually has an English-consultant. Considering the English pub
show, that is truly frightening.
>* "Bumberchute"(?) for umbrella? Never heard it in my life.
>* Why does Daphne say "faucet" instead of "tap"?
>* Daphne is an expert at Pool. Why not snooker?
>
>Why, why, why? WHY?
Lordy, stop reminding me of all these things. I was starting to feel at peace
again.
Checking Dejanews, seems like there isn't anyone who disagrees about the bloody
good pub one. I'm still wondering how people failed to notice Scott Atkinson
slipping every fifth word.
>Oh, er... Frasier's just a sitcom, we shouldn't get too worked up about these
>things, right?
Dunno. Ask Miss Eunice. I'm sure she'll have a long-winded, naggy response for
you that will insure you'll wish you never asked the question in the first
place. Oh yeah, before I forget, is David Hyde Pierce gay??
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
suspect, far more than in the UK) that people are rather accepting of all
kinds of accents without getting angry at them or being nitpicky about them.
Being from California, people often expect me to talk in Valley Speak, but
the truth is hardly anyone I've ever known talks that way. And my roommate
from Texas doesn't speak with a Texan accent either. If she doesn't tell
people she's from Texas, no one ever guesses that she's from there.
Personally, I think the English accents issue in Frasier is nothing compared
to shows like MASH who deal with people speaking a foreign language. At
least with British speak, it's only accents. In most of the episodes of MASH
with Korean, all they are speaking is jibberish. And yet, I don't mind one
bit because having the characters speak Korean is not the main point of the
show, it's just a minor detail, just as the British accent thing is on
Frasier. I think that rightly so, the writers and casting people should
focus on other things than scavenging all of Hollywood to cast people with
the correct British accent from the correct region. I mean, it didn't bother
me one bit that Julie Andrews had a British accent when she played Maria von
Trapp and that the von Trapps spoke english. That's what movies and TV shows
are for, after all. One needs to suspend their disbelief and enjoy it for
what it's worth (or not, in which case, everyone is free to choose something
else that they will enjoy).
Just my two cents worth
ScallyUK
>I don't get this. Are you saying you could tell John Mahoney was originally
>British without being told? I think John's accent is impeccable, as evidenced
>by his playing real "All American" types in countless films before his stint
>on
>Frasier.
It was those countless films before "Frasier" where he'd frequently pull a Mel
Gibson, and made it obvious his accent didn't really wear off, but that he
covered it up--and often slipped. Nowadays he's better at maintaining it so
that I really can't notice at all. But seeing as how he's a born and bred Manc
and he's reportedly (confirmation please) assisting Jane Leeves as a dialogue
couch, I have to wonder if he's just a little bit embarrassed.
>Obviously Brits are more sensitive to accent flaws that Americans
>are.
>How would we know the difference between a South London and Manchester
>accent?
I wouldn't expect you to know the difference between a Mancunian and a
Lancastrian one, but to not be able to tell the difference between Northern
England and London is to have not gotten out much. I don't have to live in the
States to know the difference between Northerner and Southener. Now that I do,
it helps...but I still didn't need to.
>I do think such things matter far less to us. Peri Gilpin's Roz is supposted
>to
>be from the midwest but often sounds Texan, and it doesn't bother me.
Just a guess that it bothers Midwesterners. For a show that (usually) has good
writing, "Frasier" really shows its Achilles Heel with the unbelievable
dialects.
(And you can add Kelsey Grammer to the list. The first year on "Cheers", he
didn't sound a thing like he does now. He sounded American then).
Frasier UK
Go to the TV promo site and get the real audio video, she sound perfectly
British and Normal!
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> It was a combination of the pathetic pseudo-accents (that make Gwyneth
> Paltrow's contributions to the department look halfway credible) and the
Geez, according to Sir Ian McKellem, she has a impeccible British accent.
Being just a lowly American, I wouldn't dare to guess which of you is correct.
> >Oh, er... Frasier's just a sitcom, we shouldn't get too worked up about these
> >things, right?
>
> Dunno. Ask Miss Eunice. I'm sure she'll have a long-winded, naggy response for
> you that will insure you'll wish you never asked the question in the first
> place. Oh yeah, before I forget, is David Hyde Pierce gay??
My, aren't we getting a bit snippy! You must bring joy to all around you with
that sunny disposition of yours.
The long-winded and naggy,
Miss Eunice :)
Har...@cheerful.com
> If you think Jane Leeves is bad, do NOT see the "Two Mrs. Cranes" show with
> Clive (Scott Atkinson) and definitely steer far clear of the one that took
> place in a (supposedly) English pub.
If you want to read these two shows "Two Mrs. Cranes" and "Where Every Bloke
Knows Your Name" without hearing the awful accents go to my Frasier transcript
site at:
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hills/3384
I know it was a shameless plug but I saw the opportunity and grasped at it.
Nick Hartley
Elsa AlkaSeltzer
why they said she's from Manchester, when her accent doesn't sound Mancunian
at all. I probably never would have known the difference, except for the
fact that my favorite band (Oasis) is from Manchester and their accent is
completely different from Daphne's.
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Les Faby
says...
>
> If you want to read these two shows "Two Mrs. Cranes" and "Where Every Bloke
> Knows Your Name" without hearing the awful accents go to my Frasier transcript
> site at:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hills/3384
>
> I know it was a shameless plug but I saw the opportunity and grasped at it.
>
It is a great site.
It makes me realize how good the writing on the show is
...Les Faby
CMitch1939
Lancastrian one, but to not be able to tell the difference between Northern
England and London is to have not gotten out much. I don't have to live in the
States to know the difference between Northerner and Southener. Now that I do,
it helps...but I still didn't need to.
This is amusing. Americans being accused of cluelessness just because Britain's
cultural imperialism is not up to Hollywood's. Perhaps you don't realize that
while Britain is saturated with American films, what gets imported to America
is very limited. There are no British series running on the major networks
while America ships off Frasier, Friends, ER and countless others. (Hell,
Baywatch! Which is still being produced solely because it sells the rest of the
world their most self satisfying fantasies of the American character.) Whereas,
what does get shown in the States, in both films and television, is the costume
drama stuff, which is hardly indicative of the broad range of contemporary
British accents. There are a few exeptions, like Trainspotting or The Full
Monty, but they're hardly enough for Americans to get versed in UK accents.
There are the anglophiles, of course, but the point is Americans have a choice
about learning British accents, where as most Brits have been exposed to the
cross section of American ones practically from the cradle.
I will concede the English pub episode trafficed in some pretty stale and
embarrassing stereotypes. But I'm curious, are there British shows that have
done Americans the same favor? Or are we too good at doing that ourselves?
Margo
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
cmitc...@aol.com (CMitch1939) wrote:
> I will concede the English pub episode trafficed in some pretty stale and
> embarrassing stereotypes. But I'm curious, are there British shows that have
> done Americans the same favor? Or are we too good at doing that ourselves?
I remember seeing an episode of "Are You Being Served" where Mrs. Slocam's
rich uncle from the United States was a rich Texan in cowboy garb who dabbled
in oil.
eunice
ScallyUK
>Who is attempting a sorry British accent? Surely, you aren't suggesting that
>Frasier and Niles are doing a British accent, are you?
Jane Leeves (supposed to be Mancunian, really overwrought Lancastrian)
Scott Atkinson
Everybody involved with the English pub episode
Kelsey Grammer - I'm not sure what he's attempting, but his voice has changed
every year since 1984. Now what, is he trying to make people believe he's an
ex-pat Brit who has lived in the States for 15 years? I dunno.
What Niles is supposed to be is anybody's guess.
>The question should be "Do we care?"
Apparently you do...you're responding.
>John Mahoney's? He doesn't have a British accent and the one time he
>mimicked
>Daphne, it's just that... a mimic.
He doesn't have a British accent? Okay. And Mel Gibson doesn't have an Aussie
accent. Glad we got that cleared up.
ScallyUK
>P.S. There are so many types of accents and speaking mannerisms in the US (I
>suspect, far more than in the UK)
You suspect wrong.
>that people are rather accepting of all
>kinds of accents without getting angry at them or being nitpicky about them.
Who said anything about not being accepting of accents? We were discussing not
being accepting of blatantly-fake-sounding ones. If a person can fake an accent
that's letter-perfect, that's fine. But if they can't or especially if they're
extremely bad at it (a la Gwynnie The Pooh), it's just painful to see them try.
As most of my American mates say the same about Cary Elwes, I know this isn't
just something that annoys the English.
>Being from California, people often expect me to talk in Valley Speak,
Like wow, as soon as I, like found you were, you know, from California and
stuff, that was, like, the first thing that popped into my, you know, head.
OMG-You, like, read my mind! Sha!
>but
>the truth is hardly anyone I've ever known talks that way. And my roommate
>from Texas doesn't speak with a Texan accent either. If she doesn't tell
>people she's from Texas, no one ever guesses that she's from there.
Howdy, part'ner. I sure'n be able to tell if she'r ever out in this there Lone
Star State, yup, yup.
>Personally, I think the English accents issue in Frasier is nothing compared
>to shows like MASH who deal with people speaking a foreign language. At
>least with British speak, it's only accents. In most of the episodes of MASH
>with Korean, all they are speaking is jibberish.
Ohh-so. Wai tou moooshoo gaipu ta liu nounou?
>And yet, I don't mind one
>bit because having the characters speak Korean is not the main point of the
>show, it's just a minor detail, just as the British accent thing is on
>Frasier. I think that rightly so, the writers and casting people should
>focus on other things than scavenging all of Hollywood to cast people with
>the correct British accent from the correct region.
Nobody said they had to. People have suggested often (including to the
producers themselves) that they should try to get a dialogue coach or an
genuine English consultant to at least make it look like what they're doing.
It's been explained on the show that Daphne is from Manchester city. Well, I'm
from Manchester city, and that's not the dialect from there. Would it have been
too hard to explain in one show that she was born somewhere else? Or that her
parents were from further up North? Those instances, it would have been
explainable for why Daphne's intonation isn't correct.
And I've known a few Koreans who were disgusted with their treatment on
"M*A*S*H", so great example.
> I mean, it didn't bother
>me one bit that Julie Andrews had a British accent when she played Maria von
>Trapp and that the von Trapps spoke english.
Julie Andrews HAS a British accent.
> One needs to suspend their disbelief and enjoy it for
>what it's worth (or not, in which case, everyone is free to choose something
>else that they will enjoy).
Well, congratulations. I'm no longer even sure what the original topic being
discussed was anymore.
>Just my two cents worth
Here's another 88. Go buy yourself a cup of coffee.
ScallyUK
>Geez, according to Sir Ian McKellem, she has a impeccible British accent.
>Being just a lowly American, I wouldn't dare to guess which of you is
>correct.
Sir Ian didn't get knighted by being blunt or truthful. But, yes, let us not
forget that Monica Lewinsky is also a perfect lady and a lovely companion to
take to a show, as well.
>My, aren't we getting a bit snippy! You must bring joy to all around you
>with
>that sunny disposition of yours.
I admit. You've taught me well. Thanks!
>The long-winded and naggy
Not this post. The other one, on the other hand...
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> Miss Eunice writes:
> >Who is attempting a sorry British accent? Surely, you aren't suggesting that
> >Frasier and Niles are doing a British accent, are you?
>
> Jane Leeves (supposed to be Mancunian, really overwrought Lancastrian)
>
> Scott Atkinson
>
> Everybody involved with the English pub episode
>
> Kelsey Grammer - I'm not sure what he's attempting, but his voice has changed
> every year since 1984. Now what, is he trying to make people believe he's an
> ex-pat Brit who has lived in the States for 15 years? I dunno.
>
> What Niles is supposed to be is anybody's guess.
You're so right. It's a conspiracy. Everyone on the show is trying to do a
British accent. You found them out. You know, some people in the US speak
like Niles and Frasier and not because they are trying to sound British. I
have quite a lot of college friends who came from the East Coast who have
that Ivy League type of speech pattern. It is an affected speech pattern,
but quite American, let me asure you.
> >The question should be "Do we care?"
>
> Apparently you do...you're responding.
I care that people seem to be so obsessed with accents. I have no problems
with the accents themselves.
> He doesn't have a British accent? Okay. And Mel Gibson doesn't have an Aussie
> accent. Glad we got that cleared up.
As an American, I for one can't detect a British accent from John Mahoney.
I'm sure on rare occasions, he pronounces some words as he used to when he
lived in England (as everyone who is transposed from one place to another is
ought to do at times), but not very noticibly.
Miss Eunice
ScallyUK
>This is amusing. Americans being accused of cluelessness just because
>Britain's
>cultural imperialism is not up to Hollywood's. Perhaps you don't realize that
>while Britain is saturated with American films, what gets imported to America
>is very limited.
Does your TV broadcasting system get PBS? A&E? Bravo? Mine do. Lots of English
programmes on them.
>There are no British series running on the major networks
>while America ships off Frasier, Friends, ER and countless others. (Hell,
>Baywatch! Which is still being produced solely because it sells the rest of
>the
>world their most self satisfying fantasies of the American character.)
A good reason for this is the difference between season (or series for UK)
installments. A UK sitcom averages 6 episodes, whereas a US one averages 22-24.
Dramas are different as are, of course, soaps such as 'EastEnders', but
generally a lot more garbage is being produced in America, and most of it gets
shipped off to less-lucrative TV countries. America meanwhile, is too busy
cranking out too much of their own cow dung to bother with accepting anybody
elses. The only recent non-PBS or A&E scenario I can think of would be
'Stressed Eric' (wtih the lead dubbed over by an American) and NBC axed it
before it even finished out its measley 6-episode commitment.
>Whereas,
>what does get shown in the States, in both films and television, is the
>costume
>drama stuff, which is hardly indicative of the broad range of contemporary
>British accents. There are a few exeptions, like Trainspotting or The Full
>Monty, but they're hardly enough for Americans to get versed in UK accents.
>There are the anglophiles, of course, but the point is Americans have a
>choice
>about learning British accents, where as most Brits have been exposed to the
>cross section of American ones practically from the cradle.
I'm not quite sure an Englishman has to be well-versed (or even versed at all)
to see Cary Elwes or Jacinda Barrett attempting to fake American accents, and
laughing at them. I know I don't.
>I will concede the English pub episode trafficed in some pretty stale and
>embarrassing stereotypes. But I'm curious, are there British shows that have
>done Americans the same favor? Or are we too good at doing that ourselves?
Yeah, plenty of them. And now that I live in the States, I must say I'm
embarrassed looking back at them now. But Rob Hanning deserves a special award.
Even without those limp stereotypes and terrible accents, 'Where Every Bloke
Knows Your Name' was the crowning Razzie champion script of the 5th year.
Speaking of which, if anybody wants to take part in the 1st Annual Crappies
(honouring the worst in television achievements) as a voting member, please
email me at scal...@aol.com or stop by rec.arts.tv for more details. (Just a
shameless plug, as well, but I had to get it in).
ScallyUK
>I live in the U.S., and Daphne's accent does bother me. I never understood
>why they said she's from Manchester, when her accent doesn't sound Mancunian
>at all. I probably never would have known the difference, except for the
>fact that my favorite band (Oasis) is from Manchester and their accent is
>completely different from Daphne's.
I think I can answer that. Daphne is sober.
Seriously, there's many different Mancunian dialects, just as there many
different London ones. Daphne's accent, while never coming close to
representing where she is supposed to be from, has also changed every single
year 'Frasier' has been on the air. While at the beginning, it was sort of
almost halfway not really believable, now it's just painfully overwrought.
And why exactly was Clive living in Manchester? How did he get there? How long
was he there? If it was as long as they made it sound, why did none of it rub
off?
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> As most of my American mates say the same about Cary Elwes, I know this isn't
> just something that annoys the English.
I have never known anyone (besides the people on the Frasier mailing list) who
are bothered by accents, fake or otherwise. In fact, the topic has never come
up in conversation with anyone I've ever met.
> > I think that rightly so, the writers and casting people should
> >focus on other things than scavenging all of Hollywood to cast people with
> >the correct British accent from the correct region.
>
> Nobody said they had to. People have suggested often (including to the
> producers themselves) that they should try to get a dialogue coach or an
> genuine English consultant to at least make it look like what they're doing.
What for? It just seems like a waste of time and energy for a weekly sitcom.
After all, the guest actors only get a week to rehearse their roles and as for
JL, I don't think it's necessary even if she is doing a non-Mancunian accent.
> It's been explained on the show that Daphne is from Manchester city. Well, I'm
> from Manchester city, and that's not the dialect from there. Would it have
been
> too hard to explain in one show that she was born somewhere else? Or that her
> parents were from further up North? Those instances, it would have been
> explainable for why Daphne's intonation isn't correct.
Why do they have to explain? If it bothers you that much, why can't you just
imagine that she was? Or not, whatever makes you happy. Maybe she was born
and raised elsewhere and moved to Manchester later on. Who knows? I don't
think they need to include miscellaneous info about her childhood to explain
her accent. It does nothing for the storyline other than to satisfy those
who think her accent is all wrong.
> And I've known a few Koreans who were disgusted with their treatment on
> "M*A*S*H", so great example.
I'm a Korean and I'm not disgusted. And I also know of a few British people
on the Frasier Mailing list who don't care one bit about the accents issue,
so what? Surprise, surprise, people from the same background have different
opinions.
> > I mean, it didn't bother
> >me one bit that Julie Andrews had a British accent when she played Maria von
> >Trapp and that the von Trapps spoke english.
>
> Julie Andrews HAS a British accent.
No, really? I had no idea. The point I was trying to make was that that
Maria von Trapp was Austrian, not British and thus if you are a stickler for
accuracy of the accents, you must feel that Julie Andrews should have spoken
with an Austrian accent or spoken Austrian.
> > One needs to suspend their disbelief and enjoy it for
> >what it's worth (or not, in which case, everyone is free to choose something
> >else that they will enjoy).
>
It's just entertainment. If it bothers you that much, just turn it off.
There's no need to get your knickers in a twist.
> Well, congratulations. I'm no longer even sure what the original topic being
> discussed was anymore.
Just as well, it's getting tiresome.
> >Just my two cents worth
>
> Here's another 88. Go buy yourself a cup of coffee.
Such a sweet gesture but don't touch the stuff :)
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> Cmitch writes:
> >This is amusing. Americans being accused of cluelessness just because
> >Britain's
> >cultural imperialism is not up to Hollywood's. Perhaps you don't realize that
> >while Britain is saturated with American films, what gets imported to America
> >is very limited.
>
> Does your TV broadcasting system get PBS? A&E? Bravo? Mine do. Lots of English
> programmes on them.
There might be several English programs on the stations that you mentioned
but you seem to overestimate how many Americans actually watch PBS, A&E,
Bravo, etc.
eunice
Mmb2226
city. Well,
>I'm
>> from Manchester city, and that's not the dialect from there. Would it have
>been
>> too hard to explain in one show that she was born somewhere else? Or that
>her
>> parents were from further up North? Those instances, it would have been
>> explainable for why Daphne's intonation isn't correct.
Does it matter? People do move from one part of the country to another mixing
accents quite regularly now. My husband was born in Kent but has lived in the
Midlands for 20 years now. I would hate to define his accent.:)
Oh, and if you come from Manchester why do you call yourself Scally, normally a
scouse expression?
Eunice said
>I'm a Korean and I'm not disgusted. And I also know of a few British people
>on the Frasier Mailing list who don't care one bit about the accents issue,
>so what? Surprise, surprise, people from the same background have different
>opinions.
Surprise, surprise, I'm one of those people.
I'm amused sometimes by scenes depicting 'typical' English songs like 'Knees
Up Mother Brown' but Frasier doesn't fall into this trap very often. Now, The
Friends London show, that really was a hoot.............
Michele
Elsa AlkaSeltzer
Also, I'd just like to comment that I never detected a British accent in
John Mahoney. -And Daphne's accent sounds like something that you'd hear
from an actress in a dinner theatre production. Uuuugh over acting -I hate
it!
Dave
>
> Miss Eunice continues:
> >Geez, according to Sir Ian McKellem, she has a impeccible British accent.
> >Being just a lowly American, I wouldn't dare to guess which of you is
> >correct.
>
> Sir Ian didn't get knighted by being blunt or truthful. But, yes, let us not
> forget that Monica Lewinsky is also a perfect lady and a lovely companion to
> take to a show, as well.
>
Oj Jesus, enough already. Eunice, you have a very annoying tendancy to
become offended at the slightest contrarian viewpoint concerning
Frasier. You've taken a valid comment about the lack of authenticity of
an accent and turned it into some sort of US vs England battle. You're
talking about a lousy television show. There's no need to tie it into
larger social (or personal) issues in an attempt to legitimize your
haughty responses.
> >My, aren't we getting a bit snippy! You must bring joy to all around you
> >with
> >that sunny disposition of yours.
Sorry. Did I say haughty? I meant smarmy.
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interest me. But when I read this post I was appalled by what some of you
wrote. Who really give a damn about how Daphne's fake Mancunian accent sounds
like? All that matters is that we like the show and the accents doesn't really
counts. The writers of the show are trying their best to write a good srcipt
and I don't think they have time to cast someone who the people think can do a
good accent (any accent). In a previous interview, I don't recall which one
exactly, but I do know that John Mahoney all ready answered this question. He
said when the producers casted Jane Leeves they had no idea how a Mancunian
accent sounds like. It wasn't Jane Leeves' fault that she can't do a very
believable Mancunian accent, like I said earlier, who give a damn? She's trying
and can't some of you see that?
The reasons I watch this show is because the writing is excellent. Maybe not
all the time, but in some cases they are. They set good examples and the acting
is very good compared to some shows in television today. Now some of you might
not think I know what I'm talking about just because I'm 13 years old. But
trust me, I do know what I'm talking about. I also have a question for all you
Brits out there. Now we all know that Americans can't make you Brits believe
their accent, but can you guys make us believe that you can do a really good
American accent? I don't think so. Maybe the professionals can do it, but I
don't believe everyone can do it. Well, that's all I have to say for now. I
have to be getting back to bed.
Frasier Fan,
Faye
PS
If you're wondering if I'm American, I'm not. I'm a Filipina, but I do live
here in the USA and I love this country. Also Eunice keep up your long post I
love reading them because it seems like you and I are always thinking the same
thing only you can do explain it better than I.
ScallyUK
>You're so right. It's a conspiracy. Everyone on the show is trying to do a
>British accent. You found them out. You know, some people in the US speak
>like Niles and Frasier and not because they are trying to sound British. I
>have quite a lot of college friends who came from the East Coast who have
>that Ivy League type of speech pattern. It is an affected speech pattern,
>but quite American, let me asure you.
Thank you so much for seeing the light! Now it's unanimous. There is officially
no 'Frasier'-viewer who can't see through their transparent charade.
>I care that people seem to be so obsessed with accents. I have no problems
>with the accents themselves.
But see we have so much in common, though. I'm obsessed with accents. And
you're obsessed with me. Wanna do lunch?
>As an American, I for one can't detect a British accent from John Mahoney.
>I'm sure on rare occasions, he pronounces some words as he used to when he
>lived in England (as everyone who is transposed from one place to another is
>ought to do at times), but not very noticibly.
Ask him to say 'Wednesday'.
Scals
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ScallyUK
>I have never known anyone (besides the people on the Frasier mailing list)
>who
>are bothered by accents, fake or otherwise. In fact, the topic has never
>come
>up in conversation with anyone I've ever met.
I just checked dejanews to take a stroll down where every bloke knows your
name. Appears it's come up at least 10 times (and probably closer to 20) and
the overwhelming consensus is that the English pub show was utterly pathetic.
>What for? It just seems like a waste of time and energy for a weekly sitcom.
>After all, the guest actors only get a week to rehearse their roles and as
>for
>JL, I don't think it's necessary even if she is doing a non-Mancunian accent.
The producers wanted an English chick. Jane Leeves is English. She's from
London. Most US programmes that have English chaaracters have them come from,
lo and behold, London. Then there really wouldn't be any problems. I have to
seriously wonder how Angell, Casey & Lee, or whomever was responsible here,
thought that having Daphne Moon be a Manc would make her character funnier or
would affect her personality any. The lines they write for her could just as
easily be (and are) written for an Londoner.
>Why do they have to explain?
Why do you ask so many 'why' questions? How 'bout a 'what', a 'where', a 'who',
a 'how'? Anything but another 'why'.
>If it bothers you that much, why can't you just
>imagine that she was?
I don't have that good an imagination.
>Or not, whatever makes you happy. Maybe she was born
>and raised elsewhere and moved to Manchester later on. Who knows? I
don't
>think they need to include miscellaneous info about her childhood to explain
>her accent. It does nothing for the storyline other than to satisfy those
>who think her accent is all wrong.
It bothers me. That's why I didn't vote for her last year. And I'm not voting
for 'Frasier' this year - they already got five. If they want a sixth, they
should stop insulting England!
>I'm a Korean and I'm not disgusted. And I also know of a few British people
>on the Frasier Mailing list who don't care one bit about the accents issue,
>so what? Surprise, surprise, people from the same background have different
>opinions.
I'm 25% English, 25% Korean, 25% American, and 25% Brasilian. No wait...they
didn't have a Brasilian stereotype did they? Oh, no fuss - I'm sure they will
sooner or later. So yes, I'm 25% Brasilian too. Nyah.
>No, really? I had no idea. The point I was trying to make was that that
>Maria von Trapp was Austrian, not British and thus if you are a stickler for
>accuracy of the accents, you must feel that Julie Andrews should have spoken
>with an Austrian accent or spoken Austrian.
I didn't ask why Stressed Eric had an American accent in the form of Hank
Azaria when it came here. I didn't ask where his accent went. I did ask where
'Stressed Eric', the show, went. But I digress.
>It's just entertainment. If it bothers you that much, just turn it off.
>There's no need to get your knickers in a twist.
Rob Hanning? Is that you?
>Just as well, it's getting tiresome.
Most strange. It wasn't when it was an English fellow and myself posting about
it. I wonder how it got that way.
>Such a sweet gesture but don't touch the stuff :)
My apologies. See, I was trying to be polite and not come right out and call
you a ... oh, a crackhead. I thought you were up with the lingo (coffee, wink
wink). Guess not - my mistake!
Carry on, then.
ScallyUK
>Does it matter? People do move from one part of the country to another mixing
>accents quite regularly now. My husband was born in Kent but has lived in the
>Midlands for 20 years now. I would hate to define his accent.:)
Sounds familiar. I moved from Manchester to Droylsden to Camden to New York to
Florida to California and generally back to Florida. There's some New York in
there somewhere. Not much of anything else but where I moved from. I think one
always pretty much stays true to their birthland in terms of dialect, unless
they purposefully try to loose/change it. Even so for Mel Gibson apparently,
since he a born and not bred Noo Yawker.
Sensibility on the other hand comes and goes as fast as a 23 minute sitcom.
>Oh, and if you come from Manchester why do you call yourself Scally, normally
>a
>scouse expression?
That's a common misconception. Not all gits are scousers. All scousers are
scum. See the difference?
> I'm amused sometimes by scenes depicting 'typical' English songs like 'Knees
>Up Mother Brown' but Frasier doesn't fall into this trap very often.
With one that deep, it didn't need too many others.
>Now, The Friends London show, that really was a hoot.............
Okay - you win. I give.
ScallyUK
>Also, I'd just like to comment that I never detected a British accent in
>John Mahoney
I haven't detected anything on 'Frasier' ever either. I said that before I
think. In his early '80s film roles, I could at times. Much like Bob Hoskins.
Haven't seen any of his interviews (if he's given any) to comment on what he
sounds like on those.
>And Daphne's accent sounds like something that you'd hear
>from an actress in a dinner theatre production. Uuuugh over acting -I hate
>it!
Oh, yes - many a dinner theatre production floating into my mind wading
through yesterday's episode of 'SNL' with Miss Paltroll.
Jane Leeves shouldn't have lez'd up with Faith Ford. Gwyneth should have kicked
Winona out - then when the script showed up for 'Frasier', Gwyneth could've
stolen it from Leeves and gotten the part. And I promise anyone who fails to
notice Leeves' laughable overaccenting would definitely notice Gwynnie The Pooh
doing... whatever it is that won her an Oscar.
ScallyUK
>There might be several English programs on the stations that you mentioned
>but you seem to overestimate how many Americans actually watch PBS, A&E,
>Bravo, etc.
I didn't make an estimation, love of my life.
All I said was:
"Does your TV broadcasting system get PBS? A&E? Bravo? Mine do. Lots of English
programmes on them."
You'd make a terrible attorney with such conclusion-jumping, you would.
Please show me where I made any sort of analogy as to how many yanks would
actually watch PBS, A&E, Bravo, etc. Or certainly please show me where I came
close to asking how many yanks have the attention span to watch PBS, A&E,
Bravo, etc? Didn't say either.
Broad generalisations ... tsk, tsk.
Hugs and kisses from your number # 1 fan,
ScallyUK
>ScallyUK wrote:
>>
>> Miss Eunice continues:
>> >Geez, according to Sir Ian McKellem, she has a impeccible British accent.
>> >Being just a lowly American, I wouldn't dare to guess which of you is
>> >correct.
>
>
>become offended at the slightest contrarian viewpoint concerning
>Frasier. You've taken a valid comment about the lack of authenticity of
>an accent and turned it into some sort of US vs England battle. You're
>talking about a lousy television show. There's no need to tie it into
>larger social (or personal) issues in an attempt to legitimize your
>haughty responses.
>
>
>> >My, aren't we getting a bit snippy! You must bring joy to all around you
>> >with
>> >that sunny disposition of yours.
>
>Sorry. Did I say haughty? I meant smarmy.
I will make DINTYH take you off his Mean Wons list immediately. You are a real
pla.
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
rat...@gate.net wrote:
> Oj Jesus, enough already. Eunice, you have a very annoying tendancy to
> become offended at the slightest contrarian viewpoint concerning
> Frasier. You've taken a valid comment about the lack of authenticity of
> an accent and turned it into some sort of US vs England battle. You're
> talking about a lousy television show. There's no need to tie it into
> larger social (or personal) issues in an attempt to legitimize your
> haughty responses.
>
> > >My, aren't we getting a bit snippy! You must bring joy to all around you
> > >with
> > >that sunny disposition of yours.
>
> Sorry. Did I say haughty? I meant smarmy.
I'm so glad that you decided to chime in with your most insightful comments.
However, for the record, the discussion has nothing to do with US vs. England.
It was a disagreement over accents on a television show. Larger social
issues??? Have we been reading the same messages??? As for the haughty (nay,
smarmy) responses, I wholeheartedly agree with you, Mr. Pot.
Ms. Kettle
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> >As an American, I for one can't detect a British accent from John Mahoney.
> >I'm sure on rare occasions, he pronounces some words as he used to when he
> >lived in England (as everyone who is transposed from one place to another is
> >ought to do at times), but not very noticibly.
>
> Ask him to say 'Wednesday'.
But you see, that's why he's never said "Wednesday" on the show. I heard JM
on an interview where he said he still couldn't pronounce "Wednesday" with an
American accent so they changed the script to read "Tuesday". And you
thought the creative people at "Frasier" weren't looking out for the accent
obsessed :)
eunice
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> The Missus writes:
> >I have never known anyone (besides the people on the Frasier mailing list)
> >who
> >are bothered by accents, fake or otherwise. In fact, the topic has never
> >come
> >up in conversation with anyone I've ever met.
>
> I just checked dejanews to take a stroll down where every bloke knows your
> name. Appears it's come up at least 10 times (and probably closer to 20) and
> the overwhelming consensus is that the English pub show was utterly pathetic.
Well, I was referring also to a.t.f in my statement. Maybe I should have been
more specific and said Frasier mailing lists and message boards. Personally,
I've never met anyone on the Frasier mailing list or a.t.f.
> >What for? It just seems like a waste of time and energy for a weekly sitcom.
> >After all, the guest actors only get a week to rehearse their roles and as
> >for
> >JL, I don't think it's necessary even if she is doing a non-Mancunian accent.
>
> The producers wanted an English chick. Jane Leeves is English. She's from
> London. Most US programmes that have English chaaracters have them come from,
> lo and behold, London. Then there really wouldn't be any problems. I have to
> seriously wonder how Angell, Casey & Lee, or whomever was responsible here,
> thought that having Daphne Moon be a Manc would make her character funnier or
> would affect her personality any. The lines they write for her could just as
> easily be (and are) written for an Londoner.
Maybe, but they didn't.
> >Why do they have to explain?
>
> Why do you ask so many 'why' questions? How 'bout a 'what', a 'where', a
'who',
> a 'how'? Anything but another 'why'.
Oh, just because, ScallyUK, just because.
> It bothers me. That's why I didn't vote for her last year. And I'm not voting
> for 'Frasier' this year - they already got five. If they want a sixth, they
> should stop insulting England!
Vote for her? You are a member of the Blue Ribbon committee for the Emmy's???
I must say, I am impressed. So what's the voting process like?
> >It's just entertainment. If it bothers you that much, just turn it off.
> >There's no need to get your knickers in a twist.
>
> Rob Hanning? Is that you?
My attempt at making you laugh with a badly done Brit reference (seeing as how
you seem to enjoy them so much on "Frasier"), but I guess you didn't see the
humor in that.
> >Just as well, it's getting tiresome.
>
> Most strange. It wasn't when it was an English fellow and myself posting about
> it. I wonder how it got that way.
Yeah, well. Some people find it fun to hear their own opinions repeated by
others without someone else offering a contradictory view. Sorry if my
differing view has made the "I'm right, and you agree with me therefore you're
right" posts tiresome. I apologize.
> >Such a sweet gesture but don't touch the stuff :)
>
> My apologies. See, I was trying to be polite and not come right out and call
> you a ... oh, a crackhead. I thought you were up with the lingo (coffee, wink
> wink). Guess not - my mistake!
My apologies to you. See, I was trying to be sarcastic without resorting to
name calling. It was just my way of saying "sticks and stones..." I thought
you understood. Guess not. Oh, well.
seda
except apparently some patriotic Brits. Still I found the whole argument
very funny and a bit pathetic if you ask me. And quite similar to one in the
Friends NG regarding the "britishness" of Emily. What I find amazing is the
importance that some people give to how American sitcoms depict British.
Apparently some British people value American's opinions very much and
confuse sitcoms with meticulously researched documentaries. Too bad.
I have lived in the US and in the UK, in fact I still live in the UK, and I
can tell you the obvious: that both nations have stereotypes of each other,
all of them are half true and all of them are half lies, like any
stereotype. The tragedy is that American shows are seen all over the world
(so much for the intelligence of the world) and British people can't take
that such a banch of "obnoxious Disneyland-worshipers" (another stereotype,
of course) are trashing the good name of the Empire.
I learned quite a lot out of all this arguing, though, not being English my
first language, so please keep picking on each other! It's so delightly
funny.
eun...@ugastro.berkeley.edu
scal...@aol.com (ScallyUK) wrote:
> The lovely Eunice writes:
> >There might be several English programs on the stations that you mentioned
> >but you seem to overestimate how many Americans actually watch PBS, A&E,
> >Bravo, etc.
>
> I didn't make an estimation, love of my life.
>
> All I said was:
>
> "Does your TV broadcasting system get PBS? A&E? Bravo? Mine do. Lots of
English
> programmes on them."
>
> You'd make a terrible attorney with such conclusion-jumping, you would.
>
> Please show me where I made any sort of analogy as to how many yanks would
> actually watch PBS, A&E, Bravo, etc. Or certainly please show me where I came
> close to asking how many yanks have the attention span to watch PBS, A&E,
> Bravo, etc? Didn't say either.
>
> Broad generalisations ... tsk, tsk.
The love of my life??? OK, I'll reciprocate...
My dearest Beloved,
Oh, I do apologize. I thought you were trying to refute the person who said
that while the British people were exposed to a lot of American programs, the
Americans weren't. I didn't realize that you were just throwing random facts
out there. If I had known that, I would have thrown out some myself.
Geez, I hope it's not too late for me to throw out a random fact. Did you
know that amongst the seahorse population, the males are the ones who give
birth?
The Lovely Eunice (thanks, I like this one:))
P.S. And thanks for your appraisal of my abilities to become an attorney.
I'll keep that in mind.
ScallyUK
>My dearest Beloved,
>
>Oh, I do apologize. I thought you were trying to refute the person who said
>that while the British people were exposed to a lot of American programs, the
>Americans weren't. I didn't realize that you were just throwing random facts
>out there. If I had known that, I would have thrown out some myself.
>
>Geez, I hope it's not too late for me to throw out a random fact. Did you
>know that amongst the seahorse population, the males are the ones who give
>birth?
No, I didn't know, sweets for my sweet. Did you know that over 90% of child
molesters are heterosexual? Okay, actually I just posted this to call new
attention to a new facet of my sig.
But a real honest-to-God stat is that my dog has the bloat right now and my
potbelly pig is in heat Not a good combo.
>The Lovely Eunice (thanks, I like this one:))
>
>P.S. And thanks for your appraisal of my abilities to become an attorney.
>I'll keep that in mind.
You're welcome. And if ever Colin Ferguson or Dr. Kevorkian get out of jail, I
personally will give them your card. No, no, ya don't have to thank me. That
blank look on your face is thanks enough.
Scals
-"N-N-N-N-N-N-No no miss, you misunderstood
Sixteen, big boy, full pint, in my manhood
I'm up to date and the date's today
So if you'll serve I'll be on my way"
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StThork aka Uncle Robbie
Richard0876: I can't remember why the person brought up this topic, but I was
shocked to hear that the person's son had been molested by Tom Hulce
StThork: Well make up your mind, Dick. Is he gay, or is he a child molester?
You can't have it both ways, you know.
Maggie8097: Interesting. May one be straight and also a child molester, or is
that another of those either/or deals?
StThork: Studies show that most child molesters (and it's in the 90-something
percentile) are heterosexual, irrespective of the gender(s) of their victim(s).
Maggie8097: Since 90-something percent of people are heterosexual, all your
statistic means is that child molesters appear to be neither under- nor
over-represented among heterosexuals. That is, it is just as likely that a
heterosexual is a child molester as it is that a homosexual is a child
molester.
Dez (StThork's back-up buddy for poorly-thought out arguments): wow! with
faulty logic and [censored] facts like that, i'll bet you win ~lots~ of
arguments <eye roll>.
Maggie8097: The "fact" is Uncle Robbie's, so you'll have to deal with him on
that one. But surely you're not disputing that if 90% of the population is
heterosexual, and 90% of child molesters are heterosexual, then that means that
child molesters are distributed evenly across the heterosexual and homosexual
populations. Or maybe you *are* disputing it. Or maybe you don't even
understand what I just said and think it's some kind of slur against
homosexuals. Or maybe you're just another loser looking for attention.
ScallyUK
>But you see, that's why he's never said "Wednesday" on the show. I heard JM
>on an interview where he said he still couldn't pronounce "Wednesday" with an
>American accent so they changed the script to read "Tuesday". And you
>thought the creative people at "Frasier" weren't looking out for the accent
>obsessed :)
Yes, by all means - the creatively-stale people at 'Frasier' deserve an
honourable mention for paying such close attention to detail. Why, if only the
creative people at 'Homicide: Life on the Street' would take a hint from the
'Frasier' team, why none of those carps over on alt.tv.homicide about how they
messed up yet another police procedure would ever take place!
But then, really, who the hell cares about police procedures anyway? It's just
a show for Christ's sake!!
ScallyUK
>Well, I was referring also to a.t.f in my statement. Maybe I should have
>been
>more specific and said Frasier mailing lists and message boards. Personally,
>I've never met anyone on the Frasier mailing list or a.t.f.
Frasier mailing list? There's a Frasier message board? Unbelievable! And you
can access these things from Dejanews? Uncanny! Dejanews is really layin' on
the bells and whistles these days!
>Oh, just because, ScallyUK just because
Why?
>just because.
Why?
>Vote for her? You are a member of the Blue Ribbon committee for the
>Emmy's???
>I must say, I am impressed. So what's the voting process like?
Well, it's like 2 months too long. But it's also great payback. See, when
obsessed, dullard fans with their favourite show's title in their email address
can't make a point beyond 'Why can't you be more nice? (Fill in the blank show)
kicks ass and if you don't like it, you are just a loser!', I make it a point
not to vote for their show. Works like a charm!
So, let's see... scratching off 'Frasier'...lordy, 'Ally McBeal' was gone
before it even was nominated. No, no, no 'Friends'. Welp, this is gonna be some
slim pickens this year.
>My attempt at making you laugh with a badly done Brit reference (seeing as
>how
>you seem to enjoy them so much on "Frasier"), but I guess you didn't see the
>humor in that.
Like Oh Ma Gawd. You are like sooooo grotty to the max, 'kay? Barf me out. Go
'way! Fer sure!
>Yeah, well. Some people find it fun to hear their own opinions repeated by
>others without someone else offering a contradictory view. Sorry if my
>differing view has made the "I'm right, and you agree with me therefore
>you're
>right" posts tiresome.
Do you? Wonderful! I've never known anybody like you before in my life! Are you
famous? In a world of clones, I just cannot believe that somebody as unique and
creative as you, my darling, has not yet found international fame!
>My apologies to you. See, I was trying to be sarcastic without resorting to
>name calling. It was just my way of saying "sticks and stones..." I thought
>you understood. Guess not. Oh, well.
But I'm rude. Oh, no wait...or was that not my post? You never did acknowledge
which one of those was the rude one. Was there a reason you usually quote, but
didn't on that one? Have you been studying under the Bill Clinton School of
Debate?
This has been a special report. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled
Rob Cypher flooding.
ScallyUK
>I haven't posted in this NG for a couple of days now because none of the
>topics
>interest me. But when I read this post I was appalled by what some of you
>wrote.
Ah, I love drawin' em out of the woodwork.
>Who really give a damn about how Daphne's fake Mancunian accent sounds
>like?
Who really gives a damn about complaining about people who complain about how
fake Daphne's Mancunian accent sounds like? Which came first - the chicken or
the egg?
>All that matters is that we like the show and the accents doesn't
>really
>counts.
Who's we? I'm not we obviously. The other people who are flabbergasted at
'Where Every Bloke Knows Your Name' obviously aren't we. Specifics, please.
> The writers of the show are trying their best to write a good srcipt
>and I don't think they have time to cast someone who the people think can do
>a
>good accent (any accent). In a previous interview, I don't recall which one
>exactly, but I do know that John Mahoney all ready answered this question. He
>said when the producers casted Jane Leeves they had no idea how a Mancunian
>accent sounds like.
I don't think Mahoney has to tell that story to too many people.
> It wasn't Jane Leeves' fault that she can't do a very
>believable Mancunian accent, like I said earlier, who give a damn?
Like I said earlier, who gives a damn about people who give a damn?
Yes, this is repetitive.
> She's
>trying
>and can't some of you see that?
>The reasons I watch this show is because the writing is excellent. Maybe not
>all the time, but in some cases they are.
They're batting about a 250 this year. Considering they use to bat a 700,
that's not something to brag about. And that's just in regards to quality. As
for originality, 'Frasier' is and will always bat a 0.
>They set good examples and the
>acting
>is very good compared to some shows in television today. Now some of you
>might
>not think I know what I'm talking about just because I'm 13 years old. But
>trust me, I do know what I'm talking about. I also have a question for all
>you
>Brits out there. Now we all know that Americans can't make you Brits believe
>their accent, but can you guys make us believe that you can do a really good
>American accent? I don't think so. Maybe the professionals can do it, but I
>don't believe everyone can do it.
I can. I'm a professional (Right, Eune?) Oh, yeah -- plus, I've been here
forever.
>PS
> If you're wondering if I'm American, I'm not. I'm a Filipina, but I do
>live
>here in the USA and I love this country. Also Eunice keep up your long post I
>love reading them because it seems like you and I are always thinking the
>same
>thing only you can do explain it better than I.
Eunice, did you pay her to say this? 'Fess up.
DarbyJM
<<This has been a special report. We now return you to your regularly-scheduled
Rob Cypher flooding. >>
Even RC doesn't drone on in as boring a manner as you!
Eunice, (a.k.a. Ms. Loverly) don't bother responding to him anymore -- he's not
worth it.
HOWEVER, any views you have about the recent shows will be greatly appreciated.
:-)
I'm of the opinion that the writing has fallen off a bit the past two seasons.
While I appreciate that it's probably difficult to keep coming up with fresh
ideas for a weekly series, I'm starting to wonder if it's not time for Frasier
to quit while it's ahead -- before the quality declines any further?
Darby
ScallyUK
>THANK GOD FOR THAT!!!!
Rob Cypher sends his love, and told me your acceptance means so much to him
that he's going to thank you with a record 1000 crossposts today, every single
one of them to ATF. Isn't that touching?
>Even RC doesn't drone on in as boring a manner as you!
What a perfect way to insure my continued posting here - Kudos, Gracias, and
Merci. Take a bow.
>Eunice, (a.k.a. Ms. Loverly) don't bother responding to him anymore -- he's
>not
>worth it.
Oh, she will. She's hooked on Scally's spell. (Plus, you should see the emails
she sent me. I think she fancies me).
>HOWEVER, any views you have about the recent shows will be greatly
>appreciated.
Eunice has views? Where? May I see them?
>I'm of the opinion that the writing has fallen off a bit the past two
>seasons.
>While I appreciate that it's probably difficult to keep coming up with fresh
>ideas for a weekly series, I'm starting to wonder if it's not time for
>Frasier
>to quit while it's ahead -- before the quality declines any further?
Your opinions are so original and creative. Please, do continue. I have been
living under a rock for the past six years and I need enlightenment that only
one such as yourself can provide.
Frasie4992
>Ah, I love drawin'em out of the woodwork.
Yes, I'm guessing you do enjoy doing that.
>Who really gives a damn about complaining about people who complain >about how
fake Daphne's Mancunian accent sounds like? Which came >first - the chicken or
the egg?
Apparently you care.
>Who's we? I'm not we obviously. The other people who are flabbergasted at
>'Where Every Bloke Knows Your Name' obviously aren't we. Specifics, please.
I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the people who likes the show and
that's definately not you. It keeps me wondering why you even watch it if you
don't like it. Is it that hard to just change the channel or do you not have
anymore channels either than channel 5?
>I don't think Mahoney has to tell that story to too many people.
and why is that?
>Like I said earlier, who gives a damn about people who give a damn?
>Yes, this is repetitive.
>
No comment on this one. It's just plain silly.
>They're batting about a 250 this year. Considering they use to bat a 700,
>that's not something to brag about. And that's just in regards to quality. As
>for originality, 'Frasier' is and will always bat a 0.
>
Oh really? I never knew that!
>I can. I'm a professional (Right, Eune?) Oh, yeah -- plus, I've been here
>forever.
Where would that be? Specifics please. Oh yeah, if you're a professional, prove
it.
>Eunice, did you pay her to say this? 'Fess up.
No, Eunice did not pay me to type this. I really admire her writing. She has a
superb writing and she writes intelligently, not like you. I almost forgot, why
don't you give your fingers a break. I'm sure they're really tired of typing
all day.
Frasier Fan,
Faye
Frasie4992
It is so good to hear from you. I'm glad someone here agrees with me. I think
this topic about Daphne's fake Mancunian accent is really getting out of hand.
Oh yeah, what did you learned from reading this NG anyway?
Frasier Fan,
Faye
ScallyUK
>Apparently you care.
I care. By the moon and the stars in the sky. Oh, I care.
>I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the people who likes the show
>and
>that's definately not you.
Who said I don't like the show? Just because I am not a disturbingly obsessed
fan who needs to show his appreciation for a TV programme by putting it in his
email address, then spend my life flaming people who post unflattering comments
about said show doesn't mean I don't like the show. Okay, well actually - I
don't really like the show anymore. Used to though.
>It keeps me wondering why you even watch it if you
>don't like it. Is it that hard to just change the channel or do you not have
>anymore channels either than channel 5?
Unfortunately, I have to subject myself to such things (including 'The Secret
Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer', 'Mercy Point', and 'Suddenly Suicide') for the
benefit of the TV-watching community. I get to tell people what they I think
they should and shouldn't watch. Fun job. By the way, you should like
'Futurama'. You shouldn't like 'Rescue 77'. Thank you for your time.
>No comment on this one. It's just plain silly.
Are you hot?
>Oh really? I never knew that!
You sound hot. Wanna msg private?
>Where would that be? Specifics please. Oh yeah, if you're a professional,
>prove
>it.
I'll give you wavs if you give me gifs.
>No, Eunice did not pay me to type this. I really admire her writing. She has
>a
>superb writing and she writes intelligently, not like you.
I have a crappy writing and I types badly, I knows. I needs a true-'Frasier'
fan to gives me a lesson in how I type.
>I almost forgot,
>why
>don't you give your fingers a break. I'm sure they're really tired of typing
>all day.
Uh, uh, uh - Talk with your gif, not your mouth please.
Scals
-"N-N-N-N-N-N-No no miss, you misunderstood
Sixteen, big boy, full pint, in my manhood
I'm up to date and the date's today
So if you'll serve I'll be on my way"
-'House of Fun' - Madness
101 Things I Hate:
# 13. Laura San Giacomo - if 'Just Shoot Me' were 'The Godfather, Part III',
she'd be Sofia Coppola
Frasie4992
>I care. By the moon and the stars in the sky. Oh, I care.
OK, so you care. So what?
>Who said I don't like the show? Just because I am not a disturbingly obsessed
>fan who needs to show his appreciation for a TV programme by putting it in
>his
>email address, then spend my life flaming people who post unflattering
>comments
>about said show doesn't mean I don't like the show.
Really? Well, then by oh means. Please Scals do tell us what you meant when you
post "unflattering comments" about the show?
> Okay, well actually - I
>don't really like the show anymore. Used to though.
>
and you said you liked it.
>Unfortunately, I have to subject myself to such things (including 'The Secret
>Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer', 'Mercy Point', and 'Suddenly Suicide') for the
>benefit of the TV-watching community. I get to tell people what they I think
>they should and shouldn't watch. Fun job. By the way, you should like
>'Futurama'. You shouldn't like 'Rescue 77'. Thank you for your time.
Is that a job? Telling people what to watch and what not to watch? I thought
they were called critics? Are you a critic? If you are I can tell you are not
doing a very good job. You should look at the positive, too and not just the
negative. Also what made you think I'd like 'Futurama' and not
'Rescue 77'?
>Are you hot?
What do you mean hot? There are different meanings of the term 'hot'.
>You sound hot. Wanna msg private?
Thank you for the offer, but no.
>I'll give you wavs if you give me gifs.
I ain't sendin you any gifts.
>I have a crappy writing and I types badly, I knows.
Glad you admitted it.
>I needs a true-'Frasier'
>fan to gives me a lesson in how I type.
Goodluck finding one.
>Uh, uh, uh - Talk with your gif, not your mouth please.
Who said I was talking? This is not called talking, it's called writing.
Frasier Fan,
Faye
Frasie4992
ScallyUK
>I ain't sendin you any gifts.
Not gifts! GIFS! Hot, please.
DarbyJM
<<Who said I was talking? This is not called talking, it's called writing.>>
We need a sign for this NG:
"Please don't feed the trolls!"
<BG>
Darby
ScallyUK
>"Please don't feed the trolls!"
Thanks for breakfast. Now make sure to repost this again at noon for my
lunchtime.
Scals
-"N-N-N-N-N-N-No no miss, you misunderstood
Sixteen, big boy, full pint, in my manhood
I'm up to date and the date's today
So if you'll serve I'll be on my way"
-'House of Fun' - Madness
101 Things I Hate:
# 31. Why John Mahoney and Kyle Secor have never been nominated for Emmys
Scally's 'Golden Shower Site of the Week' Award for the week of 4 April to 10
April, 1999 goes to:
"Gay Nazi Sex Ads" (bringing out the purple swastika-lover in all of us)
http://homepages.infoseek.com/~gaynaz/
The alt.tv.real-world/alt.tv.road-rules Anti-Scally Fan Club:
(To join the Anti-Scally Fan Club, send three Scally flames and four anti-Scals
posts to alt.tv.real-world or alt.tv.road-rules or mailbomb scallyuk c/o
aol.com. All entries become the property of the Scallywag FC).
MPoop (blah blah blah blah blah)
Dan "Ad Nausea" Sheitman
Smirkury(size)XL aka Duke Of XXX aka MalarkeyVD
Barney aka B-I-N-G-O <-- has no group responsibility
ML Incompetent (or to quote Dinty - BM Crapton)
StankhBrat (self-avowed lesbian and deLay scammer extraordinaire)
HurlPower, formerly Justpee-on
Bokman7757
pathetic.>>>
Aside from being a funny episode, which is the point anyways.....
As for JL overaccenting- I don't care. The voice she chose for the character is
adorable nonetheless. And if that's overaccenting, what in blazes was Jane
Horrocks doing as Bubble in ABFAB? She made Leeves sound American by
comparison.