cameos on last night's show
an...@my-dejanews.com
Name the actor and actresses in cameo roles from last night's show:
Ticket taker:
Wife of wealthy couple:
Actor:
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>Name the actor and actresses in cameo roles from last night's show:
>
>Ticket taker:
>
>Wife of wealthy couple:
>
>Actor:
>
Ashamed to admit I didn't recognize the women. I think the man was . . . Fritz
Weaver?
et_fan
an...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Okay here's your trivia quiz:
>
> Name the actor and actresses in cameo roles from last night's show: I
> don't know her name.
>
> Ticket taker: ?
>
> Wife of wealthy couple: I think she played an admiral on Star Trek Next
> Generation when the Enterprise was fighting the Borg.
>
> Actor: I think it was Fritz Weaver too. He has been a well known
> character actor for decades.
DocFranken
>> Actor: I think it was Fritz Weaver too. He has been a well known
>> character actor for decades.
>>
Ah yes, Fritz Weaver! He was Sir Trevor. I haven't seen him in anything
since the outstanding miniseries Holocaust. He was excellent in that. Oops! I
did see him in a freaky Tales from the Darkside eppy once! He's a great actor.
Tom R. # 1 Frasier fan
By the way, anyone besides me who did not like this episode of Frasier? I
found it lacking something!
et_fan
DocFranken wrote:
Although the acting was superb as usual, it wasn't a "laugh out loud" episode. The
character interaction was great, but I agree that the episode didn't was missing
that spark that ignites most Frasier episodes.
Eileen
DarbyJM
> found it lacking something!
This is the first episode this season that I've enjoyed, because I like shows
which feature interactions between the brothers Crane.
IMO, the quality of the show doesn't come from the *laugh out loud* punchlines.
What makes Frasier a good show is that the characters are (close to being)
real people with whom the audience can identify and get to know -- even like.
A better measure of it's success -- instead of laughs per minute or general
popularity, might be the fondness of the fans (as evidenced in this NG) for
both the cast and crew of Frasier.
There were two things I particularly enjoyed about this show:
1) It was a *normal* night out for the Crane boys, which didn't focus on
Frasier's joblessness, but on Niles feelings of inadequacy (which is more
familiar and comfortable ground for me as a viewer).
2) The ending was a surprise. I've seen the same "we've done the wrong thing,
but now we know what we SHOULD do" premise on this show before, but it seems
that the last scene is always "Aw, heck -- we are who we are -- let's act like
ourselves!" as they laugh at themselves and scramble for the door. So I
*expected* them to return to the party.
I liked that because it was (IMO, of course) done with a *lighter touch* than
some of the recent *mid-life crisis* episodes.
Risking drawing some friendly fire here, I assumed that many of the creative
people at Frasier WERE (or had just passed) the male mid-life crisis stage, and
that this season would explore that topic with the subtlety and wit (forgive my
spelling -- it's 6:45 a.m. here, and I've been sick for three days) that we
have come to expect from Frasier. Having some friends who are (and have just
gotten through) that stage -- I think it has a WEALTH of raw comedic material!
Darby
JMH
> IMO, the quality of the show doesn't come from the *laugh out loud* punchlines.
> What makes Frasier a good show is that the characters are (close to being)
> real people with whom the audience can identify and get to know -- even like.
One thing which is mentioned in the 'Goodnight Seattle' book (much of
which I don't agree with) is that one loses sympathy with Frasier &
Niles when they are in the company of other snobs. It struck me that
they have a point. When they are in the company of Martin & Daphne & co
they are brought down to earth and their pretensions made fun of and
they are likeable. When they are in the company of the people they
aspire to be like I lose sympathy for them. The most obvoious example of
that for me was the episode with The Safari Club people (I must learn
the name of it since I keep on about it). I don't like Niles, who is
otherwise my favourite character, in that episode and I think it's
partly because I really don't care about how he gets on with people like
that.
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> >
> > IMO, the quality of the show doesn't come from the *laugh out loud* punchlines.
> > What makes Frasier a good show is that the characters are (close to being)
> > real people with whom the audience can identify and get to know -- even like.
This has always been my major attraction to "Frasier" -- aside from the
fact that the show is done to near-perfection more often than not.
> One thing which is mentioned in the 'Goodnight Seattle' book (much of
> which I don't agree with) is that one loses sympathy with Frasier &
> Niles when they are in the company of other snobs. It struck me that
> they have a point. When they are in the company of Martin & Daphne & co
> they are brought down to earth and their pretensions made fun of and
> they are likeable. When they are in the company of the people they
> aspire to be like I lose sympathy for them. The most obvoious example of
> that for me was the episode with The Safari Club people (I must learn
> the name of it since I keep on about it). I don't like Niles, who is
> otherwise my favourite character, in that episode and I think it's
> partly because I really don't care about how he gets on with people like
> that.
This is interesting. When you stop to think of it, it's a little odd
that there have been so many episodes in which either (sometimes both)
Frasier or Niles make desperate attempts to upgrade themselves
socially. After all, by most North American standards, they pretty well
_are_ at the top of the social heap: well mannered and educated upper
WASP's, both doctors, both high earners, both live in apartments that
could be featured in "Architectural Digest".
OTOH, Niles' circle of upscale friends was based primarily on his
marriage to Maris, now ended and, on his own (and like Frasier), he's
not good at making friends. Still, in reality, these two men would have
women and social climbers beating down the doors to get at _them_ (not
vice-versa). In the end I have to acknowledge, however, this ongoing
scenario provides an excellent story-generating device. I also think
the mid-life crisis aspect is definitely one the writers should focus on
during the next few seasons (for Daphne and Roz, as well as Frasier and
Niles). In an interview from London last July, John Mahoney said he
would like the writers to do some shows depicting Martin dealing with
various challenges of getting older.
"Frasier" has lots of built-in support for this area. Freddie will soon
be a teenager and could visit more often when he starts dating and gets
into situations that echo both his father (not to mention "Uncle Niles"
[there were hints of this more than a year ago in "The Unnatural"]).
And if Lilith could turn up again she, like Daphne and Roz, is also
pushing 40 and still has demons to settle.
CPJ.
SeemaJ
>aspire to be like I lose sympathy for them. The most obvoious example of
>that for me was the episode with The Safari Club people (I must learn
>the name of it since I keep on about it). I don't like Niles, who is
>otherwise my favourite character, in that episode and I think it's
>partly because I really don't care about how he gets on with people like
>that.
He bugged me in that ep too, simply because I never thought he'd just randomly
sleep with someone. I mean..I could sorta understand if he's drunk (not in
"reality", but for television's sake), but I had put him on a pedastal thinking
he'd only go that far by choice with Daphne.
Not that I want Daphne and Niles sleeping together before marriage, but
whatever.
--Seema:)
LabRattus
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>2) The ending was a surprise. I've seen the same "we've done the wrong
>thing,
>but now we know what we SHOULD do" premise on this show before, but it seems
>that the last scene is always "Aw, heck -- we are who we are -- let's act
>like
>ourselves!" as they laugh at themselves and scramble for the door. So I
>*expected* them to return to the party.
>
You have to admit, though, that they did an about face in a matter of seconds
on their willingness to attend Sunday brunch at the Snootington's. Just out of
curiosity, if you would've been irked by them giving in to their pretentious
desires to dine with Sir Trevor, why was the ultimate outcome any more
satisfying? Isn't that the same thing?
When it comes to snobbery, I don't harbor any expectations that they'll truly
learn their lesson. If they did, we'd be robbed of many a good story. I think
they can be snobs without alienating viewers as long as they are lovably so
(i.e. they realize it and experience some form of remorse or shame, if only
briefly. In this case, VERY briefly).
NLO time (nitpickin' little observation): Seemed KG was confused about when to
cover the mouthpiece of the phone - he covered it when saying hello and
uncovered it mid-insult. No wonder Frasier doesn't have any friends!
SH
an...@my-dejanews.com
I agree that the actor was Fritz Weaver.
What about the ticket taker? --- I think it was "Nurse Fletcher" from
"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." Can't think of her name . . . She's
presently an occasional regular on "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine."
What about the wife of the wealthy couple????? I know her face and
voice, just can't think of her name . . .
AnnC
DarbyJM
<<You have to admit, though, that they did an about face in a matter of
seconds
on their willingness to attend Sunday brunch at the Snootington's. Just out of
curiosity, if you would've been irked by them giving in to their pretentious
desires to dine with Sir Trevor, why was the ultimate outcome any more
satisfying? Isn't that the same thing?>>
I'm giving them half-credit for avoiding the party (which would have provided
them with immediate gratification), and accepting the invitation (which was
*only* delayed gratification).
I don't know that I'm much of a judge, though, since I don't *hang* with those
high society types. <g>
Darby
DocFranken
>What about the ticket taker? --- I think it was "Nurse Fletcher" from
>"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
No, the ticket taker was not actress Louise Fletcher, who played Nurse Ratchet
on One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. I can't say I know who played the ticket
taker though.
Tom R.