What do you think Daphne Loves About Niles?
SUPERDANNI
ago. At the time I didn't give it much thought, but as I continue to watch
more episodes (I'm a new fan) this is a question I am not able to ignore. It
just seems to me that Daphne and Niles, aside from living in different worlds
have so little in common. Also, even though I think he is a very funny
character that I enjoy laughing at, I have to say that I don't think he's all
that likable. So what do you think Daphne likes about Niles, or why do you
think she is attracted to him--not physically though I guess I am asking that
too. As much as I love that they are together, I wonder what it's going to be
like, how they are going to deal with their differences. I know that they say
that opposites attract but I think this is going a little too far with that.
What do you think?
Dannie
Moonfire18
That's a very good point. But still, love works in many different ways.
Opposites attract, and sometimes it's the best attraction. Sometimes love can
be so strong, it needs no definition, or reason, or anything like that. Love
can work through anything, and I think that Daphne can work through this!
Duncan
"SUPERDANNI" <super...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Someone (I don't remember who, I'm sorry!) brought up this point several
weeks
> ago. At the time I didn't give it much thought, but as I continue to
watch
> more episodes (I'm a new fan) this is a question I am not able to ignore.
It
> just seems to me that Daphne and Niles, aside from living in different
worlds
> have so little in common. Also, even though I think he is a very funny
> character that I enjoy laughing at, I have to say that I don't think he's
all
> that likable. So what do you think Daphne likes about Niles, or why do
you
> think she is attracted to him--not physically though I guess I am asking
that
> too. As much as I love that they are together, I wonder what it's going
to be
> like, how they are going to deal with their differences. I know that they
say
> that opposites attract but I think this is going a little too far with
that.
> What do you think?
>
Niles and Daphne apart was tense, funny and touching.
For years we've been watching a glass wobbling precariously on the edge of a
table. Now it's fallen off and smashed.
The shards are uninteresting.
Duncan
CPJ2000
> Niles and Daphne apart was tense, funny and touching.
>
> For years we've been watching a glass wobbling precariously on the edge of a
> table. Now it's fallen off and smashed.
>
> The shards are uninteresting.
We haven't seen the shards yet.
(Are you RochesterDL?)
CPJ2000
Duncan
If only the shards would relocate back into place.
>
> (Are you RochesterDL?)
Yes, although I've recently upgraded to RochesterDL2000.
Duncan
RubrBelle
> So what do you think Daphne likes about Niles, or why do you think she is
attracted to him...?
There is much to love about Niles; he's sensitive, compassionate, intelligent,
sharp-witted, unflaggingly neat and unfailingly adept in the social
graces...not to mention appealingly vulnerable due to his innately shy nature,
which he attempts to conceal with a veneer* of polite geniality.
Also, it is human nature to be more fond of those who are fond of us. It's
easy to fall in love with someone who already adores you! :)
(* Veneer! Take a drink.)
Lisa Mallette
euph...@gru.net
(remove stuff to reply)
CPJ2000
COPYCAT!
CPJ2000
(just upgraded to a Pioneer Elite CLD-97 laserdisc player,
aka "God's laserdisc player"......)
Duncan
> > Yes, although I've recently upgraded to RochesterDL2000.
>
> COPYCAT!
>
Or what about Rochester550MM?
Duncan
CPJ2000
Oh....................
CPJ2000
Claire Abraham
Duncan wrote:
> "SUPERDANNI" <super...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000714120249...@ng-ba1.aol.com...
> > Someone (I don't remember who, I'm sorry!) brought up this point several
> weeks
> > ago. At the time I didn't give it much thought, but as I continue to
> watch
> > more episodes (I'm a new fan) this is a question I am not able to ignore.
> It
> > just seems to me that Daphne and Niles, aside from living in different
> worlds
> > have so little in common. Also, even though I think he is a very funny
> > character that I enjoy laughing at, I have to say that I don't think he's
> all
> > that likable. So what do you think Daphne likes about Niles, or why do
> you
> > think she is attracted to him--not physically though I guess I am asking
> that
> > too. As much as I love that they are together, I wonder what it's going
> to be
> > like, how they are going to deal with their differences. I know that they
> say
> > that opposites attract but I think this is going a little too far with
> that.
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Dannie
>
> Niles and Daphne apart was tense, funny and touching.
>
> For years we've been watching a glass wobbling precariously on the edge of a
> table. Now it's fallen off and smashed.
>
> The shards are uninteresting.
The shards haven't even DONE anything yet. We have only just seen the point of
impact. For all we know, the shards could fly and bounce everywhere, popping up
in people's butts and setting off shriekswhen we least expect it for months to
come. Frankly, *I* thought the teetering glass was finally getting a bit old.
If you know it's never going to fall, what's the point of watching it wobble?
As for the original question: Niles has consistently treated Daphne with more
warmth, respect and empathy than anybody else in the Crane family. He's been
her friend and confidante for a long time. He's kinda cute, he moves in
fabulous circles, he has superb manners, and he treats her like a princess.
Yeah, I can see where that might turn her head a tad, at least in the short
term. I'm not sure I agree that he's unlikeable. He's flawed and fussy, but
he's not a bad guy. He seems good-hearted enough.
>
>
> Duncan
CPJ2000
> As for the original question: Niles has consistently treated Daphne with more
> warmth, respect and empathy than anybody else in the Crane family. He's been
> her friend and confidante for a long time. He's kinda cute, he moves in
> fabulous circles, he has superb manners, and he treats her like a princess.
>
> Yeah, I can see where that might turn her head a tad, at least in the short
> term. I'm not sure I agree that he's unlikeable. He's flawed and fussy, but
> he's not a bad guy. He seems good-hearted enough.
I think her reaction to discovering the truth was total shock (but positive shock,
unlike her complete horror when at first she thought Frasier loved her).
We know she's always (almost always...) liked him but, if she did have romantic
interests, chose to supress them since he was (seemingly) happily married when she
first knew him and (accordingly to Jane Leeves) likely considered him out of her
league socially because of her working-class British background. But the major,
earlier 'tease' episodes made it eminently clear she could have a great time with
him on a date ("Moondance") and even be attracted to him sexually ("Daphne Hates
Sherry").
I'd say that unconsciously she's known for a long time.
CPJ2000
Val McCaffery
>Someone (I don't remember who, I'm sorry!) brought up this point several
weeks
>ago. At the time I didn't give it much thought, but as I continue to watch
>more episodes (I'm a new fan) this is a question I am not able to ignore.
It
>just seems to me that Daphne and Niles, aside from living in different
worlds
>have so little in common. Also, even though I think he is a very funny
>character that I enjoy laughing at, I have to say that I don't think he's
all
>that likable. So what do you think Daphne likes about Niles, or why do you
>think she is attracted to him--not physically though I guess I am asking
that
>too. As much as I love that they are together, I wonder what it's going to
be
>like, how they are going to deal with their differences. I know that they
say
>that opposites attract but I think this is going a little too far with
that.
>What do you think?
>
>Dannie
What an interesting topic! Thank you for posting! Here are
some of my thoughts on this topic of why and what Daphne loves about Niles.
1. Daphne Has Grown Up Lately:
Daphne has acknowledged, to Niles and others, for some time now, that
Niles has a sweet, sensitive and loving nature ( in "Mixed Doubles" she
tells him he is "kind... not like other men etc." ; in "Daphne Hates
Sherry" she states that she is aware "that he is always thinking of her" ;
in Perspectives of Christmas" she confesses that she feels lucky when
Dr.Crane comes over because "he has always been such a good friend" and she
is shown thinking of him in a comforting manner, and in
"First Date" she says to him "Come here you dear, sweet man!"). But now in
Season 7, she is seeing that his finer qualities makes him also attractive
as a love interest. Always before she used to think that a lover, for her,
had to be "manly type" ("Don't you think he looks like a Viking!"), rugged
(couldn't wait to "pan-fry their kippers!") or cute but stupid (Greg - the
one without a thought in his handsome head - "AHHH!This could be the one!").
But she went through that type of man and found that none of those
relationships lasted. As she matured, she started looking for something
else
in a potential mate. Donny was the first person who was an exception to
this "handsome hunk type" of male she was attracted to in the past and she
jumped at accepting his marriage proposal. Even Donny, though somewhat
romantic (although she said he "wasn't exactly Wordsworth when writing his
vows") and intelligent (being a college grad - albeit the University of Las
Vegas - not Yale), still was presented as a bit uncouth (liking "tractor
pulls" {"don't ask!!!"}, sloppy) and a bit insensitive (not listening to her
and picking up on
Daphne's hints as to who was her favourite brother, and bringing his parents
over as a "surprise!!"). Daphne has always appreciated Niles' excellent
manners, his gentlemanly behaviour and his constant anticipation of her
needs and wants. Niles, like Donny is a romantic, but is shown to be more
cultured - he has gone to film revivals with Daphne and rushed off to see
Wuthering Heights with her gladly (one can imagine that he would have liked
to seen this movie even without Daphne by his side!). Niles is also
intelligent and well
educated (like Donny) but has directed his education towards helping people
in a caregiving capacity, rather than adversarial ( a doctor, instead of a
lawyer) much more like Daphne in her job as a physical therapist. Donny was
more of a transitional type of person for Daphne. Niles is the type of
person a more mature Daphne can be attracted to now.
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2. Daphne Has Becomes Aware That the Niles She Always Knew, is an Attractive
Person:
Some of the reasons why Daphne is attracted to Niles, as a person, was
revealed in the
episode "To Thine Old Self Be True". As Mel is talking about the reasons
why she is in love with Niles, the camera focuses on Daphne's face at one
point and we see, through her expressions, that she is seriously considering
Niles as a love interest for the first time. Hearing Niles' characteristics
articulated
so succinctly helps Daphne realize that Niles is very much the type of
person
that she could fall in love with. She is looking at him very differently
than
she did in the past (as the brother of her employer, who is just a very good
friend and has always been kind to her). Mel is talking about the sparkle
in his eyes that happens when he is about to say something clever etc. and
Daphne acknowledges these attractive traits in Niles, by the smile that
slowly creeps across her face, while Mel is speaking. More evidence of her
recognition of her attraction to Niles is shown by the way her mannerisms
proceed to become more gentle as she is massaging Mel. When she starts out
she is purposefully trying to "torture" Mel with the massage ( a direct
manifestation of her feelings of jealousy and dislike of Mel), but as Mel
reveals her affection for Niles and extols his virtues, Daphne cannot find
it in herself to physically harm someone who feels so genuinely loving
towards Niles and who can recognize his attractive qualities (sensitive
nature, humour, cleverness, vulnerabilities and desire to be trusted - all
mentioned, in a fashion, by Mel in her little speech) as Daphne herself
is now beginning to recognize these traits in him and look at him in a new
light. Daphne lightens her
touch on Mel and decides that she will help Mel feel better, rather than
cause her more pain. The mere thought of Niles and what kind of
person he is, has a very positive affect on Daphne and she allows these
"good thoughts" to have a *ripple affect* on Mel. Daphne is fully aware of
what makes Niles such a wonderful person now. In a strange way, Mel has
helped Daphne clarify her feelings of love for Niles.
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3. Niles and Daphne Have Similar Qualities, Likes and Needs...:
The old cliches "birds of a feather...." and "opposites attract" are just
that - cliches! A truly successful relationship is much more than cliches.
It is a mixture of similarities and differences that combine in the right
way.
In so far that Daphne is attracted to Niles
because she views him as a sensitive, caring person,
it certainly can't be said that these qualities are opposite to Daphne's
character. She has always been shown as a warm person, who is a natural at
extending herself towards others and has a "caring nature" towards others
(her choice of a home care therapist, as a career is a direct
result of this trait). Both Niles and Daphne have been shown to enjoy quite
a few moments together - cooking several meals together, watching old movies
and dancing at a fancy ball, to name a few. Of course it could be argued
that Niles would have enjoyed anything he did in the presence of Daphne
(including licking up cut glass with his tongue!!!) but Daphne seemed to be
an equal partner in these happy activities. In "First Date" the writers
made it clear that Daphne had "cultured" herself to the point that her
knowledge of opera divas impressed Niles. She was fussy enough about the
wine in the beginning of "Taps at the Montana" to be proud of Donny that he
sent back the Pouilly-Fuisse. In "Their Playing Our Song" she showed that
she had a knowledge of music that would be similar to the tastes of Niles
(referring to the musical selection to that of being like "Gilbert and
Sullivan - only frightening!"). Both are very highly sexually charged
people (as DHP observed one time - "Niles has a lot of buttons to push -
most of them sexual!"), passion in a relationship means a great deal to
them. Both can enjoy the silly things in a simple situation - like
pretending to be "operating" while preparing a meal, or singing while
cutting carrots (I can't imagine Niles doing these things with Mel!).
She is attracted to Niles' sensitive nature and
responds to his high degree of need for love and affection, because she also
has a high need for attention.
Niles is used to lavishing affection on the women he adores (in the case of
Maris for
sure, this wasn't reciprocated though). Daphne is a person who, because of
coming from a large lower-middle class family and starting out on her own at
such a young age) never had a great deal of attention paid to her by the
men in her life (father, brothers, a wide variety of working class
boyfriends), but that doesn't mean that she doesn't desire it. In fact, the
point was made
in "Roz and the Schnoz" that Daphne was overjoyed when Frasier bought her
earrings. She has also been shown to be very receptive to any attention
that
has been paid to her (witness how thrilled she was when she had her picture
in the paper in "Hot Tickets"). One of the things that Daphne found
attractive about
Donny was that he paid attention to her and expressed his affection for her
in all sorts of material ways
(in "Decoys" she raved about the fact that he had surprised her with a
basket of her favourite foods). This isn't really shallow - some insecure
people (like Daphne and Niles) need constant concrete reminders that someone
does love
them. Niles understands this (he lived long enough with someone who needed
expensive reminders of love) and finds that expressing his love in his
actions, is a natural behaviour for him (look how he told Martin that
cooking for Mel was one way he could express his feelings for her in "Big
Crane on Campus" - I am positive that he would do the same for Daphne and
that she would be thrilled!). Niles also would be thrilled to have someone
reciprocate his attentions - he has been waiting all his life for someone to
love him as much as he has the capacity to love. Daphne has been shown to
be a truly warm person, who is very giving in her affections (she is a very
"huggy" person - "Oh Dr. Crane, I could just kiss you!"). She finds him
physically attractive and has
complimented him on his appearance on more than one occasion ("And wear
that blue blazer of yours - no woman could resist you in that." - First
Date.). Niles' feelings of physical attraction towards Daphne are of course
legendary! All of these point show that Daphne and Niles are not complete
opposites in their wants, desires and personality traits.
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4. ... But There Are Differences Enough to Keep It Interesting:
People who make good "couples" shouldn't be *clones* of each other.
They have to have some common interests, but they also should have other
ones that
are divergent.
These interests and traits should compliment one another - fit together like
a dovetail joint.
It is these differences that make their lives more interesting by enlarging
their "better half's"
experiences in life. They can learn new things from each other.
I can see this with Daphne and Niles. That is why I think Niles and Mel
were not really suited for each
other. They were too much alike in their neurotic behaviours. Instead of
Niles being drawn out of his compulsions and quirky behaviours, Mel seemed
to reinforce this because she was basically just as (if not more) neurotic
as he was. Niles states that he if aware of her "...bugaboos, bette noirs,
night terrors..."
in "Something Borrowed, Someone Blue". While Niles is talking about this
he drifts off in thought, with a look of concern on his face, but then he
just shrugs it off with, "That's the *fun* of being in love". By finally
connecting with Daphne, we know he is about to learn that *that * is NOT the
fun part of being in love! Life won't be all smooth sailing for Daphne and
Niles (foreshadowed by the wonderfully comic, double-edged comments: "Fasten
your seatbelt, Daphne" - "Fasten yours, Niles!"), but it won't be *night
terrors* either! Daphne can show Niles how to let down his guard and relax
about life. She has always been presented as an earthy creature and very
easy-going (in "Travels with Martin" she says : Whenever I take a holiday I
just grab a fresh pair of knickers and see where the wind takes me!"). More
than once she has stated that she thinks people should be adventurous in
life to remain vital - as in Moondance: "You know...it's such a shame when
people let fear stop them from trying new things." I think she sees Niles
as someone who will enjoy being free
from his snobby restraints, but needs encouragement to do this. And her
bubbling enthusiasm for life is a good example for him to follow. Why?
Because she will be along side with him all the way - "Don't be afraid!
Daphne won't let anything happen to you!" (Moondance). From Niles she can
get sophistication and culture (something she has only started recently to
appreciate). From Daphne, Niles can learn to laugh more at life and set
aside his pretensions and get to the real emotions of life. Both of their
personalities are different enough to keep their relationship fresh for a
long while, as they discover all the variances that make them individuals.
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In conclusion I can't see why Niles and Daphne's relationship should fail
(unless the writers decide it has to).
With all the developments they have given us along the way (over 7 years)
the expectancy of them remaining a couple doesn't seem too far fetched.
That won't mean I expect a *rose garden* for Niles and Daphne! That
wouldn't make for superior comedy and above all else the writers on Frasier
have always set
that standard very high! What I mean is, that it seems to me, that the
writers have carefully crafted over 7 years, two characters that are very
developed, complex personalities, (despite their contrasting backgrounds and
superficial traits - there is *more* to Daphne and Niles) and they seem to
be *made to be together* (that is the
appeal of the Niles and Daphne romance). Their story touches a universal
chord in their audience - love conquers all!
Val
s hawksworth
Claire Abraham <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Duncan wrote:
>
> > "SUPERDANNI" <super...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > Dannie
> >
> > Niles and Daphne apart was tense, funny and touching.
> >
> > For years we've been watching a glass wobbling precariously on the edge
of a
> > table. Now it's fallen off and smashed.
> >
> > The shards are uninteresting.
>
> The shards haven't even DONE anything yet. We have only just seen the
point of
> impact. For all we know, the shards could fly and bounce everywhere,
popping up
> in people's butts and setting off shriekswhen we least expect it for
months to
> come. Frankly, *I* thought the teetering glass was finally getting a bit
old.
> If you know it's never going to fall, what's the point of watching it
wobble?
>
*Love* that extended metaphor, Claire! And I totally agree with you. We can
always rerun with fresh enjoyment our seven years' worth of teetering glass
episodes - or at least those people (not me, unfortunately) who had the
foresight to tape them can. But I want to see what happens next. Think of
the glass as an egg instead. You can't make an omelette without breaking
eggs, but leave an egg too long and it just goes off and starts to smell.
Better the omelette - or better still the egg cracks of its own accord while
we wait to see just what will hatch out. It might be a phoenix!
Sally
Moonfire18
together! :-)
s hawksworth
"What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed", I felt.
Don't think I can add to it, so I'll just comment on a couple of things that
Dannie mentions. First, "why do you think she is attracted to him - not
physically though I guess I am asking that too". The "why" of physical
attraction is very hard to explain, but, judging by the number of web pages
devoted to DHP/Niles and especially to pictures of him, and by the comments
of quite a number of female posters over the last couple of months alone on
this ng, I think it's safe to assume that Daphne's feelings are quite widely
shared. Odd, no doubt, but there it is.
Secondly, Dannie says of Niles, "I have to say that I don't think he's all
that likeable." I was reminded of a very interesting couple of posts by
leopardilla esperan...@lineone.net under the thread Re: What about
Daphne? a couple of weeks ago. I meant to respond to her and never got round
to it. She spends some time pointing out flaws in Niles's character and
behaviour before ending with "I like Niles very much and I find him the
perfect match for Daphne." These may be the posts Dannie is referring to.
And while all the criticisms are true, and there is a lot more that could be
added on his ridiculous (and hilarious) mannerisms and quirks, I agree with
leopardilla rather than Dannie. I don't think it's just all the *good*
points that Val and others catalogue that make me and many others feel this.
I think the reasons are more complicated, but they'll need to wait for a
longer post that I'm still trying to write.
Sally
Val McCaffery <val...@MNSi.Net> wrote in message
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Nancy McClernan
It's true that the Niles character as written has some very irritating
quirks - the show where Niles shares Frasier's bedroom and insists on
playing the sounds of the rain forest as he goes to sleep is a good example.
But David Hyde Pierce is so good he lights up any scene, and makes Niles'
good points stand out more than his bad.
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Hugaround
on the subject of "Frasier" in general and, of course, Niles/Daphne in
particular. I sincerely hope that the writers of the show take an approach
like yours.
kik
simpler answer to "What does Daphne love about Niles" would
have been "What's not to like?!" I'm not sure what
Niles/DHP has, but he certainly has a lot of "it", and "it"
makes him quite irresistible!!
I think N and D will be great together, and also funny. Do
you remember one episode (I don't recall which one, but
someone will) where Niles and Daphne fought? He called her
a couch zombie, and she called him a prig. It was really
funny, and it turned out to be a big turn-on for Niles,
too, which made it even better. By the end of their little
row they were still friends. I hope we see a little more
of that next season. Afterall, we can't expect them to
never have an argument. I can't wait!
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world full of strangers) being that the subtext of the show is so often
psychological. My curiosity into what Daphne might see in Niles and how a
relationship might prevail given their differences is largely rooted in my own
confusion on the nature of relationships in general. I am relatively young (22)
and haven't had any significant romantic relationships, and am always looking
for the answer to the age old question of what attracts people to each other.
I find myself looking for answers in elements of popular culture such as tv,
movies and books. I fear that I won't recognize IT if it ever comes my way,
and so I look for explanations wherever I can get it. I thank you all for
helping me ease my confusion.
Now that I've rambled on unnecessarily, we can resume our discussion of Niles
and Daphne.<G>
Dannie
Val McCaffery
kik wrote in message <32aefd4e...@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com>...
Do
>you remember one episode (I don't recall which one, but
>someone will) where Niles and Daphne fought? He called her
>a couch zombie, and she called him a prig. It was really
>funny, and it turned out to be a big turn-on for Niles,
>too, which made it even better. By the end of their little
>row they were still friends. I hope we see a little more
>of that next season. Afterall, we can't expect them to
>never have an argument. I can't wait!
The episode that you refer to was titled "The Focus Group. A totally great
and funny episode!
Val
Val McCaffery
Nancy McClernan wrote in message <8kqu50$q...@nnrp3.farm.idt.net>...
>
>It's true that the Niles character as written has some very irritating
>quirks - the show where Niles shares Frasier's bedroom and insists on
>playing the sounds of the rain forest as he goes to sleep is a good
example.
>But David Hyde Pierce is so good he lights up any scene, and makes Niles'
>good points stand out more than his bad.
Well, I think that if Niles experienced some passionate sex in the loving
and trusting arms of the "woman of his dreams", he wouldn't need the sounds
of the rain forest, breathing exercises or air filters to help him get to
sleep. Many of the irritating quirks that he demonstrates (especially those
bedtime rituals, phobias and cleanliness compulsions) could be the result of
years of repressed feelings and insecurities (which were probably evident
when he was a young child - he was shy and had feelings of inadequacy,
even back then) and sexual frustration (which definitely has manifested
itself since puberty). The man suffered years of mental abuse and
manipulation at the hands of an absolute control freak, in the form of
Maris. Even Mel (though genuinely loving and more demonstrative than
Maris) did nothing to encourage Niles to break away from his neurotic
compulsions and behaviours (although she did boost his self-confidence
level) .
Val
Madforit50
much covered all the valid reasons. BUT, for the heck of it, I'll throw in one
. . .
Well, both JL and DHP are Aries, and I really believe that long-time characters
do reflect their players in some way.
We know that Niles adores Daphne for her honesty, high-spiritnedness and good
though feisty nature. That's also the selling points often attributed to Aries
girls.
Niles, though he's reserved and shy, is -- in his way -- one heck of a trash
talker. He has wit to spare, and I knew quite a few Aries guys who can talk a
good game. Truth is, emotionally, Niles is ALOT like Daphne. He's essentially
heart on sleeve to people he trusts, and sometimes this leads him to do very
rash, maybe immature even, actions. He ain't macho; but, Niles has a haute
attitude, which Daphne may find sort of fascinating and funny. Underneath,
Niles is every bit a naive, schoolboy just as Daphne is. Alot of Aries guys
have that aout them, and Daphne would no doubt be attracted to that.
Both seek validation and completeness. Their emotions are on their faces
always; Daphne and Niles both have rather doe-eyed looks when they're looking
at each longingly. Their anger is more often awkwardly moody (again, like many
Aries I know), and they both can be rash.
Maybe, she recognizes that they are really two sides of a coin, different
countries, different classes, different manners and outward appearance, but
inside emotionally really so much alike that their gravitation toward each
other was, if unlikely, was inevitable.
Well, that's a theory anyway. I've seen some people who were apparently
ill-matched have terrific relationships on the basis of having like signs. Eh?
>
>Someone (I don't remember who, I'm sorry!) brought up this point several
>weeks
>ago. At the time I didn't give it much thought, but as I continue to watch
>more episodes (I'm a new fan) this is a question I am not able to ignore. It
>just seems to me that Daphne and Niles, aside from living in different worlds
>have so little in common. Also, even though I think he is a very funny
>character that I enjoy laughing at, I have to say that I don't think he's all
>that likable. So what do you think Daphne likes about Niles, or why do you
>think she is attracted to him--not physically though I guess I am asking that
>too. As much as I love that they are together, I wonder what it's going to
>be
>like, how they are going to deal with their differences. I know that they
>say
>that opposites attract but I think this is going a little too far with that.
>What do you think?
>
>Dannie
>
>
>
>
>
>
--drew
~~~~~
did you know desire's a terrible thing, it makes the world go blind
but if desire's a terrible thing, you know that I really don't mind -- Sundays
Michelle
madfo...@aol.com (Madforit50) wrote:
>--drew
Drew, I promise, I'm not stalking you.... But, again, I agree with
your summation from this astrological angle. (I'm beginning to suspect
that you may be a Ram, yourself... in my unprofessional observation,
I've noticed that it's mostly Arians who are so interested in the
stars' influence on our behaviors...)
I have a bit more "proof" to add to your theory: It's well-known among
astrologers that an Aries-Aries love (or any other close relationship)
combination is as volatile as the hydrogen bomb. Very passionate, in
love and in war; and both of these extremes were displayed in "Moon
Dance" and "Focus Group", respectively.
As for your question about opposites attracting, with their only
compatibility being astrological, I think I may be an example: Aries
girl, madly in love with a Leo man. We couldn't be more different in
lifestyle, tastes, education, and background, but we get along
smashingly.
I hope Daphne and Niles have just as much success.... (but keep those
Martian sparks flying!)
Interesting take, Drew. I'm glad you posted it. : )
-- 'Chelle
* To reply by e-mail: m_v...@yahoo.com
Michelle
All of Drew's talk about astrology has provoked my curiosity.... A
while back, someone (I believe it was Lisa) mentioned that they had a
thing for finding out people's middle names. Well, I have a thing for
knowing birth signs.
For the third time, I will offer that I'm an Aries. (Will someone
please help me plug in my flashing neon sign? This way, I can stop
waving my arms and shouting, "Aries! Aries girl, right here! Hey, look
at me!!!!")
So, anyone care to share theirs?
(Oh, c'mon, just play along....... We have to do *something* to pass
the time till Fall!)
Michelle
Michelle
My apologies for the double post, BTW.
CPJ2000
> All of Drew's talk about astrology has provoked my curiosity.... A
> while back, someone (I believe it was Lisa) mentioned that they had a
> thing for finding out people's middle names. Well, I have a thing for
> knowing birth signs.
>
> For the third time, I will offer that I'm an Aries. (Will someone
> please help me plug in my flashing neon sign? This way, I can stop
> waving my arms and shouting, "Aries! Aries girl, right here! Hey, look
> at me!!!!")
>
> So, anyone care to share theirs?
Sun in Gemini; Capricorn ascendant; moon in Capricorn; venus in Cancer.
CPJ2000
(chart done 20 years ago)
Dave
>
>
> Sun in Gemini; Capricorn ascendant; moon in Capricorn; venus in Cancer.
I'll bet that line was a chick magnet in the 70's, Chuck.
Me, I'm Sun in Jupiter; descended from Candycorn, moon in Daphne; no
history of Cancer.
But when asked, I'll just say my birthday is in the first week of June.
If they care enough to ask, they probably know what that makes me.
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<charle...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Michelle wrote:
>
<SNIP>
>> So, anyone care to share theirs?
>
>Sun in Gemini; Capricorn ascendant; moon in Capricorn; venus in Cancer.
>
Good god! I don't know what any of that means.... I know that when I look
in the newspaper at the "Horoscope" article, I'm a second-day Capricorn,
as in Dec. 23....
But I don't even know what that says about my personality... I suppose if
I were to go to an atrologer, it would predict great things about my
future. The newspaper says that I'm going to have a good day today,
though.... Hehe. :)
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meatballs, Michelle (at m_v_l_...@yahoo.com) ran towards me and
hollered:
> Well, I have a thing for knowing birth signs.
Pisces (February 22).
You knew _something_ was fishy...!
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CPJ2000
> CPJ2000 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sun in Gemini; Capricorn ascendant; moon in Capricorn; venus in Cancer.
>
> I'll bet that line was a chick magnet in the 70's, Chuck.
Not quite -- venus in Cancer is bad for romance and sex.
> Me, I'm Sun in Jupiter; descended from Candycorn, moon in Daphne; no
> history of Cancer.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
> But when asked, I'll just say my birthday is in the first week of June.
> If they care enough to ask, they probably know what that makes me.
Another Gemini!
"They're all liars" said the (I think) Ursula Andress character in a mid-60s
flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
CPJ2000
s hawksworth
<ara...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8libog$ab6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I'm a Libra. Which explains why I'm perky, open-minded and quick to
> tears. Not to mention outgoing. ;)
>
>
> Andrea
>
Snap! I wouldn't describe myself as perky, or even all that outgoing -
though I'm certainly talkative enough here - but I'm proud to embrace the
open-minded bit. And I've also always liked our scales symbol, which is
supposed to create in us a strong love of justice and fair play. Hadn't
heard of the tears bit before, but I do cry readily at other people's
misfortunes or happy endings or emotive music, though not for myself. And,
though I'm appreciative of the arts, I'm not adept at creating a beautiful
or graceful environment as I'm meant to be, and I have *no* talent for
flower arranging. Anyway, I've always thought that astrology was total tripe
myself. Maybe Librans are natural sceptics, though!
Sally
s hawksworth
>Subject: Re: OT: "Hey, Baby, What's Your Sign?" (WAS: Re: What do you think
Daphne Loves About Niles?)
>Date: 25 July 2000 00:47
>Dave wrote:
>> But when asked, I'll just say my birthday is in the first week of June.
>> If they care enough to ask, they probably know what that makes me.
>Another Gemini!
>"They're all liars" said the (I think) Ursula Andress character in a
mid-60s
>flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
>CPJ2000
Yes, I've heard that one. So perhaps we should discount everything you both
say. OTOH, Dave has just been commended by Prof for his honesty and
directness! (There is such a thing as being *too* direct, Dave. <g>) And my
father and brother, who are not IMO at all like each other, or like either
of you, are both Geminis. Then again, Dave seems to have the mercurial, turn
on a sixpence, manic-depressive temperament associated with The Twins. ( I
can just imagine Drew or Michelle or someone reading this and muttering to
herself "Typical Libra - arguing the hind legs off a donkey on both sides
of the question at the same time!")
Anyway my star sign is meant to get along particularly well with yours - and
with Aquarians. Any water carriers out there?
Sally
D. K. Kurtz
> Michelle hollered:
>
> > Well, I have a thing for knowing birth signs.
>
> Pisces (February 22).
>
> You knew _something_ was fishy...!
>
Me too Pisces (March 9). It's why I'm soooo sensitive (some would say
touchy) and why my identity is so malleable. Water will fit to any
container.
Kathryn
CPJ2000
> From: CPJ2000:
>
> >Dave wrote:
>
> >> But when asked, I'll just say my birthday is in the first week of June.
> >> If they care enough to ask, they probably know what that makes me.
>
> >Another Gemini!
>
> >"They're all liars" said the (I think) Ursula Andress character in a
> >mid-60s flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
I think it was a vaguely sci-fi movie set in the future. Saw it once on TV
decades ago.
> Yes, I've heard that one. So perhaps we should discount everything you both
> say. OTOH, Dave has just been commended by Prof for his honesty and
> directness! (There is such a thing as being *too* direct, Dave. <g>) And my
> father and brother, who are not IMO at all like each other, or like either
> of you, are both Geminis. Then again, Dave seems to have the mercurial, turn
> on a sixpence, manic-depressive temperament associated with The Twins. ( I
> can just imagine Drew or Michelle or someone reading this and muttering to
> herself "Typical Libra - arguing the hind legs off a donkey on both sides
> of the question at the same time!")
>
> Anyway my star sign is meant to get along particularly well with yours - and
> with Aquarians. Any water carriers out there?
I have just one good friend who is Aquarius and he's one of those rare people
who is enormously entertaining and interesting, but not stressful to spend too
much time with.
I was always puzzled that I seemed to get on easily with Capricorns, a sign not
normally considered overly compatible with Gemini. When my astrologer-friend
did my chart, she found three major Capricorn connections (forget the third) and
this explained a lot. I don't take it overly seriously (even though I've just
come through a horrific Mercury retrograde [never learn]), but do find it
interesting.
CPJ2000
CPJ2000
> In article <397C6E5A...@sympatico.ca>, CPJ2000
> <charle...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >Michelle wrote:
> >
> <SNIP>
> >> So, anyone care to share theirs?
> >
> >Sun in Gemini; Capricorn ascendant; moon in Capricorn; venus in Cancer.
> >
> Good god! I don't know what any of that means.... I know that when I look
> in the newspaper at the "Horoscope" article, I'm a second-day Capricorn,
> as in Dec. 23....
>
> But I don't even know what that says about my personality... I suppose if
> I were to go to an atrologer, it would predict great things about my
> future. The newspaper says that I'm going to have a good day today,
> though.... Hehe. :)
Think of the old Chinese proverb: "When man have birthday, he take day off.
When woman have birthday, she take off whole year."
CPJ2000
Michelle
"s hawksworth" <s...@shxwf.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>From: CPJ2000 <charle...@sympatico.ca>
>>Subject: Re: OT: "Hey, Baby, What's Your Sign?" (WAS: Re: What do you think
>Daphne Loves About Niles?)
>>Date: 25 July 2000 00:47
>
>>Dave wrote:
>
>
>>> But when asked, I'll just say my birthday is in the first week of June.
>>> If they care enough to ask, they probably know what that makes me.
>
>>Another Gemini!
>
>>"They're all liars" said the (I think) Ursula Andress character in a
>mid-60s
>>flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
>
>
>>CPJ2000
>
>Yes, I've heard that one. So perhaps we should discount everything you both
>say. OTOH, Dave has just been commended by Prof for his honesty and
>directness! (There is such a thing as being *too* direct, Dave. <g>) And my
>father and brother, who are not IMO at all like each other, or like either
>of you, are both Geminis. Then again, Dave seems to have the mercurial, turn
>on a sixpence, manic-depressive temperament associated with The Twins. ( I
>can just imagine Drew or Michelle or someone reading this and muttering to
>herself "Typical Libra - arguing the hind legs off a donkey on both sides
>of the question at the same time!")
Well, it certainly does explain why my eyes sometimes glaze over when
I'm reading some of your posts, Sally! <wink>
>
>Anyway my star sign is meant to get along particularly well with yours - and
>with Aquarians. Any water carriers out there?
>
>Sally
>
>
>
Disregarding the influences of your planets and ascendant, and only
concentrating on the typicality of your Sun Sign, you should also get
along fairly well with Leos and Sagittarians.
-- 'Chelle
Madforit50
>at me!!!!")
Hey baby. I'm a Leo. How about lighting my fire? =)
Whenever there's a popular sitcom couple, I sometimes like to see how the signs
of the requisite actors/actresses match. Granted, the character is obviously
very different from the actor/actress; but, I think on some intuitive level,
the signs do help make up the chemistry.
For example, both David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson are Leos. Scully/Mulder
are mutually supportive and protective. They help give each other strength,
hope, and protection. Also, the enormous respect each character feels for each
other is genuine, and there's obvious some physical tension between the two
characters. These things are not uncommon between two Leos.
Niles and Daphne are played by two Aries. We see on the show that these two
often end up doing rather impetuous things. There's also an innocent quality
to their passionate natures, which is balanced by very sharp tongues. Even
Daphne; she's blunt as most Aries I know. As actors, I bet they have a very
good understanding of each other's temperaments and have used that in their
roles.
Personally, I think however a sitcom's characters are designed, the longer the
show runs, the more the natural aspects of their personalities (or signs) comes
into play. Essentially, the "maturing" of a character is making that person
more like or unlike the original person. Moreover, the longer the writers know
the actor/actresses, they write them with their original personalities in mind.
If you believe in astrology, well, then it follows that the characters become
more like their signs.
I know KG's a Pisces, and well, who doesn't know a Pisces who wasn't a bit
hypersensitive? When the show started, Frasier was somewhat austere and
booming and irritable. Now, he's rather "fey" and inclined to moments of
intense self-absorption and self-pity.
Anybody entertaining a hookup between Daphne and Frasier can see why it
couldn't work by looking at the signs. Yes, Daphne is sweet, but she doesn't
take any BS. And she won't indulge Frasier's moodiness. Yeah, Niles is very
sensitive as well, but it's also spiked with a bit of Aries attitude. That she
understands and likes because it's like her own. Notice how Frasier's
affection toward Daphne is hardly returned. When it does, it's purely
friendly; NO sparks. But, one call tell that when Daphne hugs Niles, it's very
different. Oh sure, the show's written that way, but the two have wonderful
physical chemistry. They've always seem to melt into each other. If anything,
Daphne + Donny was really no more physically convincing than she and Frasier
would be.
Ahh . . it's nice to have all summer to blow stuff like this out of my butt!
I've always been smitten with Daphne; sure, she's pretty, but her high spirit
and honesty really does that for me. Then, I found out she's an Aries.
Figures. Leos are supposed to fall for Aries. Heck, my brother's an Aries.
He's nothing like Niles, but then, he's sorta fussy, boyish, sarcastic,
condescending, . . . .
Madforit50
>astrologers that an Aries-Aries love (or any other close relationship)
>combination is as volatile as the hydrogen bomb.
I tell ya; an Aries-Aries combination would be so damn funny to watch. Like
you said, they'll be EXTREMELY passionate and argumentative. Hey, there was
that episode where they get into a fight, and we all know how much Niles
enjoyed that. Heh heh. Like a true fire sign.
That's the funny thing about opposites. Alot of people who "seem" like
opposites really have quite compatible astrological makeups. Moreover, I find
"like sign" matchups to be extremely fascinating. For example, I knew of two
people who couldn't be more different; she was a Business major who came from
an all-girl Catholic school; he was an acidhead who looked like Jesus. Well,
both were Geminis and their chemistry was through the roof. While they were
apparently polar opposites, their personalities were so much alike that they
had an intuitive understanding of each other. I suppose they had seen each
other as two different paths from the same road. Cancers seem to love hook up
with other cancers. Two couples I knew are married or engaged.
As it turns out, I'm a Leo (major and minor -- healthy ego, eh?) My brother's
an Aries. We're in many opposites, but I think we're two sides of the same
coin. He thinks Niles is a dork; but, I've noticed that he has Niles's same
fussiness, reserved emotions, and penchant for cleanliness. We fight
sometimes; but, in spite of our differences, we're close.
Wow, the last 2 years of college, I found myself attracted to Aries. At the
same time, I've also noticed that whenever Daphne shows up on Frasier, she
really makes me smile. To me, there's something so passionate, open and warm
about her character, and I guess I've concluded she'd be definitely the type of
gal I would fall for. Then, I find out she's an Aries. Haha!
You can kinda tell in JL's interviews. When an interviewer mentions Daphne's
kookiness, JL defends Daphne saying that she's simply very honest and
no-nonsense. Not to pigeonhole, an Aries would say that. JL also talks about
how she admires Daphne's openness, which some Aries do have. Aries can be
honest to the point of being tactless, but many are still quite reserved, like
Niles. Daphne's free as free can be, and it's reasonable for an Aries to
admire that.
The way both Niles and Daphne treated their revelations is pretty close to
Aries. Aries, though most of the time, open, LOVE TO BROOD. Whenever they're
angry or confused, they go off in a corner and think about it. They can be
very difficult to get a hold of when they're like that. At the same time, they
do seek people to talk to and gush, but they still brood a great deal. Well,
Daphne did that very thing. She told Roz, but didn't really seek counsel about
it. She tried to "solve" the problem. Niles was open to Frasier and Martin,
but he also tried to bury his feelings when she got engaged.
One could go so far as to look, that Niles simply didn't tell Daphne because he
didn't want to be in a weak position. Same went with Daphne; Aries HATE being
embarassed. Aries men don't typically cry anyway, so when there was
misfortune, Niles just goes more quiet about his feelings.
Because Aries tend to be this way with their emotions, they do tend to do alot
of very passionate and impulsive stuff. It's ironic; they brood and brood
trying to solve their emotional conflicts but still end up doing dumb stuff
anyway. Doesn't Daphne tell Frasier that she thought of it all night and
"figured" it was jitters? That's an Aries way of pushing folks away so that
the problem seems neatly solved, though it's probably quite the opposite.
Niles has tried for months to do this, and the minute Frasier brings it up,
Niles is very terse, uncomfortable, even hostiel.
When Aries express their emotions outright, it's often very direct, unpoetic,
even unsendimental even as they can wax such lovely sendiments to their
friends. Such is Niles and Daphne when they finally open up. I know my
brother's alot like that, and it's part of their unpretentious, straightforward
nature.
I think, essentially, both Niles and Daphne are in love with each other because
each represents what the other person wants to be. Niles wish he could be as
free and open as Daphne. Daphne wishes she could be as caring, focused, and
sharp as Niles. Not that Daphne isn't compassionate, but to her, Niles is a
reservoir of goodness. As it turns out, these are all traits of an Aries,
divided among the two.
Ahh this has been fun! If I learn Peri Gilpin's sign, maybe we can do a
Frasier + Roz analysis.
Michelle
madfo...@aol.com (Madforit50) wrote:
>>"Aries! Aries girl, right here! Hey, look
>>at me!!!!")
>
>Hey baby. I'm a Leo. How about lighting my fire? =)
~LOL~ Don't tempt me! ; )
>
>Whenever there's a popular sitcom couple, I sometimes like to see how the signs
>of the requisite actors/actresses match. Granted, the character is obviously
>very different from the actor/actress; but, I think on some intuitive level,
>the signs do help make up the chemistry.
Agreed. (Again! ... You little Leo, you... We think too much alike,
that's the thing!)
I wish we could find out the signs of the key writers of the show, as
well.... Then we could put the whole package together. It might help
explain a lot.
>
>For example, both David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson are Leos. Scully/Mulder
>are mutually supportive and protective. They help give each other strength,
>hope, and protection. Also, the enormous respect each character feels for each
>other is genuine, and there's obvious some physical tension between the two
>characters. These things are not uncommon between two Leos.
You know your stuff.
>
>Niles and Daphne are played by two Aries. We see on the show that these two
>often end up doing rather impetuous things. There's also an innocent quality
>to their passionate natures, which is balanced by very sharp tongues. Even
>Daphne; she's blunt as most Aries I know. As actors, I bet they have a very
>good understanding of each other's temperaments and have used that in their
>roles.
You're making me think you've read the exact same astrology books I
have!
>
>Personally, I think however a sitcom's characters are designed, the longer the
>show runs, the more the natural aspects of their personalities (or signs) comes
>into play. Essentially, the "maturing" of a character is making that person
>more like or unlike the original person. Moreover, the longer the writers know
>the actor/actresses, they write them with their original personalities in mind.
> If you believe in astrology, well, then it follows that the characters become
>more like their signs.
>
>I know KG's a Pisces, and well, who doesn't know a Pisces who wasn't a bit
>hypersensitive? When the show started, Frasier was somewhat austere and
>booming and irritable. Now, he's rather "fey" and inclined to moments of
>intense self-absorption and self-pity.
>
>Anybody entertaining a hookup between Daphne and Frasier can see why it
>couldn't work by looking at the signs. Yes, Daphne is sweet, but she doesn't
>take any BS. And she won't indulge Frasier's moodiness. Yeah, Niles is very
>sensitive as well, but it's also spiked with a bit of Aries attitude. That she
>understands and likes because it's like her own. Notice how Frasier's
>affection toward Daphne is hardly returned. When it does, it's purely
>friendly; NO sparks. But, one call tell that when Daphne hugs Niles, it's very
>different. Oh sure, the show's written that way, but the two have wonderful
>physical chemistry. They've always seem to melt into each other. If anything,
>Daphne + Donny was really no more physically convincing than she and Frasier
>would be.
Interestingly enough, I just found out at IMDB that Saul Rubinek is a
Leo..... Hmm..... Kinda shoots a couple of holes through our theory,
doesn't it, Drew!? : (
>
>Ahh . . it's nice to have all summer to blow stuff like this out of my butt!
>I've always been smitten with Daphne; sure, she's pretty, but her high spirit
>and honesty really does that for me. Then, I found out she's an Aries.
>Figures. Leos are supposed to fall for Aries.
(I'm going to take a little morsel of that as a compliment to
myself....)
>Heck, my brother's an Aries.
>He's nothing like Niles, but then, he's sorta fussy, boyish, sarcastic,
>condescending, . . . .
(And, now I'm going to swallow some of my pride and honestly admit to
the same traits....)
Hmm... a Leo and an Arian growing up in the same household... Wow.
>
>
>--drew
Marit Lloyd
s hawksworth wrote in message <8lipod$9rf$2...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...
what proof do you have of that? until you can show me scientific evidence,
im afraid i cant believe it.
cam
(9/29/85)
Michelle
madfo...@aol.com (Madforit50) wrote:
Drew, If we keep going like this, we may bore everyone in the NG, as
well as each other!.... But, I couldn't resist replying to this.....
I'm going to save space by cutting out all the really cool things you
said about the Aries personality, and the traits that both Niles and
Daphne posses. (I actually learned - or *acknowledged* - some things
about myself while reading your thoughts. Thank you. : ))
Anybody else reading this, please read Drew's "long post!" it's very
good, and I couldn't agree more.
All astrology stuff aside, he pointed out - very accurately - some
parts of Niles and Daphne's personalities that I had not before
considered.
>
>I think, essentially, both Niles and Daphne are in love with each other because
>each represents what the other person wants to be. Niles wish he could be as
>free and open as Daphne. Daphne wishes she could be as caring, focused, and
>sharp as Niles. Not that Daphne isn't compassionate, but to her, Niles is a
>reservoir of goodness. As it turns out, these are all traits of an Aries,
>divided among the two.
>
>Ahh this has been fun! If I learn Peri Gilpin's sign, maybe we can do a
>Frasier + Roz analysis.
>
PG: Gemini.
Not a great combo.
I checked out the DOBs of some of the actresses who have played
romantic interests for Frasier in the past:
Bebe Neuwirth - Dec. 31 (Capricorn)
Shelley Long - Aug. 23 (Leo)
Mercedes Ruehl - Feb. 28 (Pisces)
Amy Brenneman - June 22 (Cancer? She's right on the cusp... without a
chart, it's tough to tell.)
Virginia Madsen - Sept. 11 (Virgo)
But, as you said.... the traits tend to show up in long-played roles.
So, the only above-mentioned characters we can attribute the
actresses' signs to are Lillith and Diane.
CatherineMJ
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CatherineMJ <catherine_al...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>I don't believe in horoscopes; we Aquarians are a sceptical
>bunch.
>;)
>
~LOL~
...Well, neither do I; we Arians prefer to be surprised... ; )
Matthew J. Wagner
> Hmm... a Leo and an Arian growing up in the same household... Wow.
Hitler would be furious!
--
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that.) I don't know if I believe astrology has anything to it, but you never
know. (I don't read newspaper horoscopes because they have that whole
"entertainment only" disclaimer, but there's one serious column in the local
free paper that produces some insight.)
CPJ2000
> CPJ2000 wrote:
> >
> > Sun in Gemini; Capricorn ascendant; moon in Capricorn; venus in Cancer.
>
> I'll bet that line was a chick magnet in the 70's, Chuck.
Chart wasn't done until 1980, though I'd met the astrologer a year earlier at
a singles party in my first hi-rise apartment building.
The party was partly in honour of the building's developer's son's 21st
birthday. A TV series about that family would easily eclipse "Dynasty". The
tenants (like moi) were more pre-Melrose North. (There actually _is_ a
Melrose Avenue in my city -- site of a brutal murder about 35 years ago; I
still remember the newspaper headline, "Slaughter On Melrose Avenue".)
Obviously, I should go to bed!
CPJ2000
Madforit50
characters.
>PG: Gemini.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Yup, a Pisces + Gemini matchup has, honestly, ZILCHO chemistry. (No offense to
any of y'all Pisces + Gemini folks out there!) On the other hand, one can see
definite possibilities with Roz and Niles. Not particularly romantic, but very
amusing. I tend to see Aries + Gemini as the makings of a terrific friendship,
which is true of JL and PG. But, like I said, a Frasier + Roz matchup would
probably have as much romatnci chemistry as any "generic" sitcom couple.
>Bebe Neuwirth - Dec. 31 (Capricorn)
That's interesting because Capricorns are known to be occasionally quite cold
and ruthless, though they're usually alot funnier than Lilith. It does make
sense; Lilith had very, uhhh, "disciplinarian" aspects that gave order to
Frasier's mushy mindset. I thought Lilith was good for Frasier on Cheers, and
they had wonderfully comic, believable chemistry.
>> Shelley Long - Aug. 23 (Leo)
Isn't 23rd on the cusp? Leo + Pisces, now that's funny; but, a Virgo + Pisces
is very interesting. Virgos are polar opposites of Pisces and that alone can
explain why the two had a very strained professional relationship.
>> Mercedes Ruehl - Feb. 28 (Pisces)
If you notice, she (forget her character's name) and Frasier actually had
similar gestures and comic timing. In a way, it's sort of a rougher Niles +
Daphne.
>> Amy Brenneman - June 22 (Cancer)
I think it goes without saying that Faye has been his match thus far. But, I
don't see alot of Cancer, besides the seriousness, in Faye.
>Virginia Madsen - Sept. 11 (Virgo)
Virgos = practical, professional, not very physical. Cassandra fits that to a
tee. It's interesting; the dilemna for a Pisces between choosing Cancer and
Virgo is one between the head and heart. Cancers have a similar spiritual,
emotional temperament to Pisces. Virgos, on the other hand, would be "good"
for a Pisces; putting some earthiness and hard facts in that overidealistic
brain. That fits his attraction toward Faye and Cassy to a tee.
Madforit50
>I wish we could find out the signs of the key writers of the show, as
>well.... Then we could put the whole package together. It might help
>explain a lot.
Betcha they're mostly Fire signs. We Fire folk are quite wise . . . a**es.
>
>You're making me think you've read the exact same astrology books I
>have!
Yeah. Maybe as an Aries, you can convince my brother to read them too!
>
>Interestingly enough, I just found out at IMDB that Saul Rubinek is a
>Leo..... Hmm..... Kinda shoots a couple of holes through our theory,
>doesn't it, Drew!? : (
AHAHAHAHAHA!!!! But, I tell ya; Donny is very Leo. Loud, brash, charismatic,
romantic, man walks big steps. Donny + Daphne's chemistry was never better
than "generic sitcom" for me. Even if there wasn't Niles, I wouldn't pick them
out to be an ideal sitcom pair.
On the other hand, I actually think Jean Adams (name?) is a terrific Mel for
Niles. Her comedic skills are intelligent, nimble, and versatile. Sure, Niles
+ Mel ain't the "People's Couple", but it's a pleasure to watch their comedy.
>(I'm going to take a little morsel of that as a compliment to
>myself....)
Well, if you are, then you certainly are.
(And, now I'm going to swallow some of my pride and honestly admit to
the same traits....)
Well, if you are, then you certainly are. =)
>Hmm... a Leo and an Arian growing up in the same household... Wow.
Yeah. I tell ya -- I think it's a MAJOR BLESSING to have siblings of
compatible signs. I mean, if I had a, ohh, Scorpio brother, geez . . .
Madforit50
Problem with newspaper horoscopes is that a "real" reading takes some REALLY
specific information about your birth. There's, like, 9 or 10 subfactors
(which are really above my head) that figures into fact finding.
General traits of Capricorn:
1) Good
Funnier than a bucket of s***
Generally hard working or goal oriented
Leadership qualities
2) Not so good
Sometimes rigidly traditional
Ruthless
Fits of depression
Capricorns tend to see life as one HARD journey. They realize at some point
that very few things (like good relatinoships) truly last; so, they must go out
of their way to make them or protect themselves. They make alot of mistakes
which gives them alot of insight and humor. But, all of these things can make
them morbid at times. A Capricorn who's a charmed life, though, are terrific
comedians. For example, Jim Carrey.
"Take a bad joke and laugh it off." -- Rod Stewart (Capricorn)
Madforit50
Uhhh . . that's a matter of interpretation. Let's just say there's alot riding
on every relationship.
>Another Gemini!
>
>"They're all liars" said the (I think) Ursula Andress character in a mid-60s
>flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
Yup.
Most deceptive folk of the bunch.
Madforit50
>concentrating on the typicality of your Sun Sign, you should also get
>along fairly well with Leos and Sagittarians.
Funny thing is that I've known a few Sag's and Libras who REALLY DON'T get
along with each other. Go figure. Something about Libras avoiding the issues
and Sag's making an issue about everything.
I kinda notice, sometimes, that Libras + Geminis have friction similar to Leos
+ Aries.
Madforit50
>I'm a Sagittarius (is that how you spell it?) born 12/12
Sag's rule. They also talk. And talk. And when everybody runs away, they go
find a Leo and talk some more. Sag's are worldclass debaters too; though, I
might add they're notoriously condescending to their Arian siblings.
Madforit50
><ara...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8libog$ab6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> I'm a Libra. Which explains why I'm perky, open-minded and quick to
>> tears. Not to mention outgoing. ;)
>>
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>
>Snap! I wouldn't describe myself as perky, or even all that outgoing -
>though I'm certainly talkative enough here - but I'm proud to embrace the
>open-minded bit. And I've also always liked our scales symbol, which is
>supposed to create in us a strong love of justice and fair play. Hadn't
>heard of the tears bit before, but I do cry readily at other people's
>misfortunes or happy endings or emotive music, though not for myself. And,
>though I'm appreciative of the arts, I'm not adept at creating a beautiful
>or graceful environment as I'm meant to be, and I have *no* talent for
>flower arranging. Anyway, I've always thought that astrology was total tripe
>myself. Maybe Librans are natural sceptics, though!
>
Madforit50
who enjoy debating with Leos and Sag's. Everybody else calls us egotistical,
arrogant bastards. I possibly can't imagine why. =)
I tell ya, though. I knew Libras can also be quite deceitful and nasty. All
that yap about Libras being "nice folk" was probably written up by Libra
astrologers who believe that Libras are the best sign on the Zodiac (they're
generally considered that.)
Some particularly happy-go-lucky Libras: Thom Yorke (Radiohead), Sting
But, I tell ya, they can flash the charm. And if they will do some work, their
amazing talent could take them somewhere.
>Subject: Re: OT: "Hey, Baby, What's Your Sign?" (WAS: Re: What do you think
>Daphne Loves About Niles?)
>From: "s hawksworth" s...@shxwf.freeserve.co.uk
>Date: 7/24/00 6:12 PM PDT
>Message-id: <8lipod$9rf$2...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>
ara...@my-deja.com
"s hawksworth" <s...@shxwf.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <ara...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8libog$ab6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > I'm a Libra. Which explains why I'm perky, open-minded and quick to
> > tears. Not to mention outgoing. ;)
> >
> >
> > Andrea
> >
>
> Snap! I wouldn't describe myself as perky, or even all that outgoing -
> though I'm certainly talkative enough here - but I'm proud to embrace
the
> open-minded bit. And I've also always liked our scales symbol, which
is
> supposed to create in us a strong love of justice and fair play.
Hadn't
> heard of the tears bit before, but I do cry readily at other people's
> misfortunes or happy endings or emotive music, though not for myself.
And,
> though I'm appreciative of the arts, I'm not adept at creating a
beautiful
> or graceful environment as I'm meant to be, and I have *no* talent for
> flower arranging. Anyway, I've always thought that astrology was total
tripe
> myself. Maybe Librans are natural sceptics, though!
>
> Sally
>
Well, actually, I was just quoting a line from an episode of Frasier. ;)
Although I really *am* a Libra, but...perky? outgoing? quick to tears?!
I don't know--I suppose I just see myself differently. They did get the
open-minded part right, though. I can ride the fence all day. Unless
someone is a complete ass about it, I can see both sides of an
arguement. I don't attribute any of this to astrology, however.
Nonsense. :)
Drew, the arrogant bastard that he is <g>, *was* dead-on when he said:
>>And if they will do some work, their amazing talent could take them
>>somewhere.>>>
True. Most days I could be perfectly content to stare at a wall the
entire day. But if it is something I love, I will give my all to a
project, idea, whatever... I am horrified at the thought of displeasing
someone, so I feel I must go above and beyond to get something done
well.
So, there's my "more information than you needed" segment for the day!
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Michelle
madfo...@aol.com (Madforit50) wrote:
>>
>>I wish we could find out the signs of the key writers of the show, as
>>well.... Then we could put the whole package together. It might help
>>explain a lot.
>
>Betcha they're mostly Fire signs. We Fire folk are quite wise . . . a**es.
>
~LOL~ Only a Leo would say this, outright....
>>
>>You're making me think you've read the exact same astrology books I
>>have!
>
>Yeah. Maybe as an Aries, you can convince my brother to read them too!
>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Convince an Aries person of something??? You're
kidding, right?
The only thing that'll persuade him is telling him how *wonderful*
astrology thinks he is. I'm convinced that this is the main draw
astrology has on most Arians. Who wouldn't want to read something that
feeds the ego so nicely?
>>
>>Interestingly enough, I just found out at IMDB that Saul Rubinek is a
>>Leo..... Hmm..... Kinda shoots a couple of holes through our theory,
>>doesn't it, Drew!? : (
>
>AHAHAHAHAHA!!!! But, I tell ya; Donny is very Leo. Loud, brash, charismatic,
>romantic, man walks big steps. Donny + Daphne's chemistry was never better
>than "generic sitcom" for me. Even if there wasn't Niles, I wouldn't pick them
>out to be an ideal sitcom pair.
>
I agree....
>On the other hand, I actually think Jean
(Jane)
> Adams (name?) is a terrific Mel for Niles. Her comedic skills are intelligent, nimble, and versatile.
I agree.
>Sure, Niles+ Mel ain't the "People's Couple", but it's a pleasure to watch their comedy.
True. And if everyone wasn't pulling for Niles and Daphne to get
together, you couldn't have found a better "Lillith Jr." than Mel.
Sadly, IMDB doesn't tell Jane A.'s birthday....
>
>>(I'm going to take a little morsel of that as a compliment to
>>myself....)
>
>Well, if you are, then you certainly are.
>
>(And, now I'm going to swallow some of my pride and honestly admit to
>the same traits....)
>
>Well, if you are, then you certainly are. =)
I am. And I am. Hey, who says sarcasm has to be a bad thing?
: )
>
>>Hmm... a Leo and an Arian growing up in the same household... Wow.
>
>Yeah. I tell ya -- I think it's a MAJOR BLESSING to have siblings of
>compatible signs. I mean, if I had a, ohh, Scorpio brother, geez . . .
>
EEEEEEEK!!!!!!
I have the utmost respect for Scorpios, believe me. But..... The
instinct and power they posses, and their guardedness, are a little
too intimidating, IMO.
I don't have any siblings (luckily... and I'm sure your brother sorta
wishes he were an only, deep down...), but I was raised by a Libra
mother and a Capricorn father. It's a running joke between my mom and
me that it takes an eternity for her to make a decision, while I sit
there pulling out my hair....
>
>--drew
>
>~~~~~
>did you know desire's a terrible thing, it makes the world go blind
>but if desire's a terrible thing, you know that I really don't mind -- Sundays
>
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"Madforit50" <madfo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Not quite -- venus in Cancer is bad for romance and sex.
>
> Uhhh . . that's a matter of interpretation. Let's just say there's alot
riding
> on every relationship.
>
> >Another Gemini!
Dat's "cuz" Gemini's RULE!
wha-wah-wah
> >
> >"They're all liars" said the (I think) Ursula Andress character in a
mid-60s
> >flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
>
> Yup.
>
> Most deceptive folk of the bunch.
>
>
CPJ2000
> "Madforit50" wrote:
>
> > >Not quite -- venus in Cancer is bad for romance and sex.
> >
> > Uhhh . . that's a matter of interpretation. Let's just say there's alot
> > riding on every relationship.
> >
> > >Another Gemini!
>
> Dat's "cuz" Gemini's RULE!
>
> wha-wah-wah
>
> > >"They're all liars" said the (I think) Ursula Andress character in a
> > >mid-60s flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
On further thought, I think it was Monica Viti (sp?), something sci-fi in the
(then) future.
> > Yup.
> >
> > Most deceptive folk of the bunch.
Er..., if you say so.
CPJ2000
Dave
>
> From: CPJ2000 <charle...@sympatico.ca>
> >Subject: Re: OT: "Hey, Baby, What's Your Sign?" (WAS: Re: What do you think
> Daphne Loves About Niles?)
>
> >Dave wrote:
>
> >> But when asked, I'll just say my birthday is in the first week of June.
> >> If they care enough to ask, they probably know what that makes me.
>
> >Another Gemini!
>
> mid-60s
> >flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
La Decima vittima?
>
> >CPJ2000
>
> Yes, I've heard that one. So perhaps we should discount everything you both
> say. OTOH, Dave has just been commended by Prof for his honesty and
> directness! (There is such a thing as being *too* direct, Dave. <g>)
And too honest as well, apparently. But I don't buy into astrology at
all. Horoscopes, to me, are on the same level as fortune cookie
messages, and the notion of 'reading' anything about someone from things
like tarot cards and tea leaves (and astrology charts) is laughable to
me.
> And my
> father and brother, who are not IMO at all like each other, or like either
> of you, are both Geminis. Then again, Dave seems to have the mercurial, turn
> on a sixpence, manic-depressive temperament associated with The Twins.
I do experience mood swings on occasion, but I think that's more likely
a result of tiny neurochemical changes than where the moon happened to
be during a specific moment 32 years ago.
> ( I
> can just imagine Drew or Michelle or someone reading this and muttering to
> herself "Typical Libra - arguing the hind legs off a donkey on both sides
> of the question at the same time!")
>
> Anyway my star sign is meant to get along particularly well with yours - and
> with Aquarians. Any water carriers out there?
>
> Sally
And I've never understood why people born during certain months should
be expected to be more compatible with those born during other specific
months. It makes no sense to me. More logical to simply remove the
zodiac facade altogether and just figure out which personality types are
more compatible.
But that's just me, honest and direct. :)
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> > Sally wrote:
> >
> > CPJ2000 wrote:
> >
> > >Dave wrote:
> >
> > >> But when asked, I'll just say my birthday is in the first week of June.
> > >> If they care enough to ask, they probably know what that makes me.
> >
> > >Another Gemini!
> >
> > >"They're all liars" said the (I think) Ursula Andress character in a
> > >mid-60s flick with Marcello Mastroianni.
>
> La Decima vittima?
Right -- aka "The Tenth Victim" (1965). (Just checked with Leonard Maltin.)
> > Yes, I've heard that one. So perhaps we should discount everything you both
> > say. OTOH, Dave has just been commended by Prof for his honesty and
> > directness! (There is such a thing as being *too* direct, Dave. <g>)
>
> And too honest as well, apparently. But I don't buy into astrology
> at all. Horoscopes, to me, are on the same level as fortune cookie
> messages, and the notion of 'reading' anything about someone
> from things like tarot cards and tea leaves (and astrology charts)
> is laughable to me.
The newspaper horoscopes are usually based on moon positions only, so are
virtually worthless (except as casual amusement [my astrologer friend once said
this when she was interviewed on a local TV show a while back]). A complete chart
can be interesting, but IMO shouldn't be taken too seriously.
> > father and brother, who are not IMO at all like each other, or like either
> > of you, are both Geminis. Then again, Dave seems to have the mercurial, turn
> > on a sixpence, manic-depressive temperament associated with The Twins.
>
> I do experience mood swings on occasion, but I think that's more likely
> a result of tiny neurochemical changes than where the moon happened to
> be during a specific moment 32 years ago.
Everyone has mood swings.
> > can just imagine Drew or Michelle or someone reading this and muttering to
> > herself "Typical Libra - arguing the hind legs off a donkey on both sides
> > of the question at the same time!")
> >
> > Anyway my star sign is meant to get along particularly well with yours - and
> > with Aquarians. Any water carriers out there?
>
> And I've never understood why people born during certain months should
> be expected to be more compatible with those born during other specific
> months. It makes no sense to me. More logical to simply remove the
> zodiac facade altogether and just figure out which personality types are
> more compatible.
>
> But that's just me, honest and direct. :)
Some eastern religions claim the zodiac is just a reflection, and therefore handy
guide, to personality.
But my own experiences support the compatibility 'standards' for my sign (but
again, you need the entire chart to explain seeming inconsistencies).
CPJ2000
(conceived night of mom's 29th birthday)
s hawksworth
Matthew J. Wagner <kinga...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On 7/25/00 3:38 AM, armed with a scythe and nineteen inordinately large
> meatballs, Michelle (at m_v_l_...@yahoo.com) ran towards me and
> hollered:
>
>
>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
But doesn't it say in Isaiah that the lion (Leo) and the lamb (immature
Aries) shall lie down together? So obviously they don't even need separate
bedrooms! <g>
Sally
s hawksworth
<ara...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8lms5e$jub$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8lipod$9rf$2...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "s hawksworth" <s...@shxwf.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > <ara...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:8libog$ab6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> Well, actually, I was just quoting a line from an episode of Frasier. ;)
What, really? Who was the Libra that said it, or was someone being sarcastic
about horoscopes?
> Although I really *am* a Libra, but...perky? outgoing? quick to tears?!
> I don't know--I suppose I just see myself differently. They did get the
> open-minded part right, though. I can ride the fence all day. Unless
> someone is a complete ass about it, I can see both sides of an
> arguement. I don't attribute any of this to astrology, however.
> Nonsense. :)
>
> Drew, the arrogant bastard that he is <g>, *was* dead-on when he said:
>
>
> >>And if they will do some work, their amazing talent could take them
> >>somewhere.>>>
>
Yes I have to agree too. I'll do anything other than what I'm meant to be
doing, and am much more laid back about drifting my life away than my
nearest and dearest are on my behalf. And of course I'm writing this and
other posts instead of doing something constructive. Still it's nice to be
told we're amazingly talented. That was news to me, but I'll be sure to
remember it from now on. :-)
>
> True. Most days I could be perfectly content to stare at a wall the
> entire day. But if it is something I love, I will give my all to a
> project, idea, whatever... I am horrified at the thought of displeasing
> someone, so I feel I must go above and beyond to get something done
> well.
Yup. Me too. Once I finally get started on the thing I've put off I'm a real
perfectionist.
Sally
s hawksworth
> Not only are Libras noted contrarians, but they're perhaps the only Air
signs
> who enjoy debating with Leos and Sag's. Everybody else calls us
egotistical,
> arrogant bastards. I possibly can't imagine why. =)
That's because we Librans enjoy debating with *any*one - then we can't
understand it when they get hot under the collar or take offence! After all,
for us discussion is FUN. My mother, a Leo, *hates* it when I challenge in
the mildest way any of her pronouncements. "Stop being so argumentative!" is
her constant cry.
>
> I tell ya, though. I knew Libras can also be quite deceitful and nasty.
No! I utterly reject this vile aspersion!
All
> that yap about Libras being "nice folk" was probably written up by Libra
> astrologers who believe that Libras are the best sign on the Zodiac
(they're
> generally considered that.)
>
So we've managed to con the other signs into believing our propaganda? It
must be our famous charm. (Though I thought it was Geminis who were meant to
be charming and insincere!)
Sally
CPJ2000
Well....... (KG/DHP faux Jack Benny hand-on-chin pose...), _I_ started this
thread!
CPJ2000
ara...@my-deja.com
"s hawksworth" <s...@shxwf.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > <ara...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:8libog$ab6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> >
> > Well, actually, I was just quoting a line from an episode of
Frasier. ;)
>
> What, really? Who was the Libra that said it, or was someone being
sarcastic
> about horoscopes?
>
It's from Frasier Gotta Have It, from season 5. The exact exchange is:
Caitlin: Oh, Frasier, I just met your dad! Did you know we're both
Libras?
Martin: Which explains why I'm so "perky, open-minded, and quick to
tears."
Caitlin: And don't forget "Outgoing."
Martin: No, I didn't. [heads for the door]
CPJ2000
> > Well, actually, I was just quoting a line from an episode of Frasier. ;)
>
> What, really? Who was the Libra that said it, or was someone being sarcastic
> about horoscopes?
>
> > Although I really *am* a Libra, but...perky? outgoing? quick to tears?!
> > I don't know--I suppose I just see myself differently. They did get the
> > open-minded part right, though. I can ride the fence all day. Unless
> > someone is a complete ass about it, I can see both sides of an
> > arguement. I don't attribute any of this to astrology, however.
> > Nonsense. :)
> >
> > Drew, the arrogant bastard that he is <g>, *was* dead-on when he said:
> >
> > >>And if they will do some work, their amazing talent could take them
> > >>somewhere.>>>
>
> Yes I have to agree too. I'll do anything other than what I'm meant to be
> doing, and am much more laid back about drifting my life away
Ah......, the future "Mrs. Stone". (You still have to wait for a
private-jet-rich husband [minimum $20M (US) liquid] to die.)
> than my nearest and dearest are on my behalf. And of course I'm
> writing this and other posts instead of doing something constructive.
> Still, it's nice to be told we're amazingly talented. That was news
> to me, but I'll be sure to remember it from now on. :-)
>
> > True. Most days I could be perfectly content to stare at a wall the
> > entire day.
What? Not rocking back and forth on your fainting couch in a cavernous
apartment like Niles (after breaking up with Maris)?
> > But if it is something I love, I will give my all to a project, idea,
> > whatever... I am horrified at the thought of displeasing someone,
> > so I feel I must go above and beyond to get something done well.
>
> Yup. Me too. Once I finally get started on the thing I've put off I'm a real
> perfectionist.
You're a closet Gemini!
CPJ2000
Sigmund Fraud
A very interesting case.
Marit Lloyd
>So, anyone care to share theirs?
sure: wet paint
cam
s hawksworth
<ara...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8lnp12$b2q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8lnmfs$1r3$2...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "s hawksworth" <s...@shxwf.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > > <ara...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8libog$ab6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >
> > >
> Frasier. ;)
> >
> > What, really? Who was the Libra that said it, or was someone being
> sarcastic
> > about horoscopes?
> >
>
>
>
> Caitlin: Oh, Frasier, I just met your dad! Did you know we're both
> Libras?
> Martin: Which explains why I'm so "perky, open-minded, and quick to
> tears."
> Caitlin: And don't forget "Outgoing."
> Martin: No, I didn't. [heads for the door]
>
>
Magnificent! LOL! This joins the "delirious" exchange of SBSB as one of my
all time favourite Martin witticisms.
Sally
CPJ2000
> Sun-Sagittarius, Moon-Pisces, Ascendent-Scorpio, Venus-Scorpio.
>
> A very interesting case.
You _wish_!
(Freddie quote.)
CPJ2000
Les Faby
> Horoscopes, to me, are on the same level as fortune cookie
> messages
>
I got a fortune cookie once and it said
"You will get indigestion in two hours and sure enough..."
So there Dave.
--
Regards...Les Faby
(To email, replace lex with given name in lower case)
CPJ2000
> Dave says...
> > Horoscopes, to me, are on the same level as fortune cookie
> > messages
> >
>
> I got a fortune cookie once and it said
> "You will get indigestion in two hours and sure enough..."
> So there Dave.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Reminds me of Granny Clampett's miracle cure for the common cold --
drink it in large amounts, stay in bed for ten days -- and you'll be as
good as new!
CPJ2000
Madforit50
>> though I'm certainly talkative enough here - but I'm proud to embrace
>the
>> open-minded bit.
That open-mindedness is definitely a two-way street. They're annoyingly
terrific at taking the other side, and more than one I know could be pretty
dicey.
People say that Libras are generally happy and easy-going, but some of the
iciest queens I knew were Libras. Go figure.
Not so sure about perky. Libras are supposed to have a tomboy/effeminate
streak about them; that is, they have aspects attributed to both genders in
them.
I guess, for me, Libras are often enormously, enormously talented people; it's
hard to pin down in what. They can be terrific at analytical, mathematical
stuff. They can be the greatest writers in the world. Or the most
mind-boggling musicians. The fact that it comes rather easily to them I guess
makes people scratch their heads. Some Libras, far from the stereotype, make
really smart leaders, though confrontation still ain't their thing.
Michelle
CPJ2000 <charle...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
<snip>
>The newspaper horoscopes are usually based on moon positions only, so are
>virtually worthless (except as casual amusement [my astrologer friend once said
>this when she was interviewed on a local TV show a while back]). A complete chart
>can be interesting, but IMO shouldn't be taken too seriously.
>
Agreed.
<snipping more>
>Some eastern religions claim the zodiac is just a reflection, and therefore handy
>guide, to personality.
>
That's the way I look at it.... I don't think the stars can tell your
future, map out every event of one's life. It's just fun to look at
the patterns... You certainly can't let it rule your existence,
though:
"Well, yes, Darling, I love you desperately... But, I can't possibly
marry you, our signs aren't compatible!"
>But my own experiences support the compatibility 'standards' for my sign (but
>again, you need the entire chart to explain seeming inconsistencies).
>
I have had quite a few experiences to back up astrology's claims.
Which is why I'm interested in studying it, and playing around with
it.
>
>CPJ2000
>(conceived night of mom's 29th birthday)
*There's* a birthday present one can't soon forget! ; )
Madforit50
>> ~LOL~ Only a Leo would this, outright
Yes. Imagine Leo, Sag, and Aries; roundtable; 5 pints; no job -->
Leo:"Though you do not see this, it's quite clear that Niles and Daphne are the
apex of romantic sitcom. Why, the level of dialogue evokes Austen, Coward, and
at times Oscar Wilde had he not such harbored odd feelings for his mama . . ."
Sag:"I beg to differ. The trsyt between Niles and Daphne has little to do with
romance or love. Rather, it's purely a game of false expectations predicated
on society; if you had read, oh, your Marx, Jung, and Friedan, you would
clearly agree with my argument; surely, it's infallible . . "
Aries:"Oh shut up you two. What rot!"
Leo + Sag:"Alright. You have your own theory."
Aries:"Yeah. They like each other alot. And this Ballatine beer barely makes
your mutual bulls*** palatable."
>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Convince an Aries person of something???
Or as he puts it, he genuinely believes that all of his opinions are 100%
correct and doesn't understand why people disagree with him.
So right now my brother's dating a Cancer. An Aries + Cancer?
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Been telling/warning him for months about the Cancer
temperament. Now that she's opened to him, he's swallowing the astrology
stuff.
>. And if everyone wasn't pulling for Niles and Daphne to get
>together, you couldn't have found a better "Lillith Jr." than Mel.
Yup. Mel to me seems like the "little sister" version of Lilith, like Niles
and Frasier. She seems to have enough girlishness to make her seem warm to
Niles. But, I say that's a spring and trap.
I kinda see Mel as a haughty Libra. Fussy, sharp-tongued, manipulative, big on
appearances. The difference between Mel and Daphne, for some reason, reminds
me of Cinderella and her sisters. Mel has the fine speech, manners, face, mind
games, etc. that makes Daphne, however far she's gone the last 7 years, still
feel working-class. And there's no doubt who will deliver the first punch,
haha!
I can really see Roz with Donny -- Gemini + Leo have great chemistry. It's odd
there wasn't some Roz vs. Daphne bit.
>I have the utmost respect for Scorpios, believe me. But..... The
>instinct and power they posses, and their guardedness, are a little
>too intimidating, IMO.
I enjoy having Scorpio friends, being mutual power fiends. Still, frankly,
Scorpios are as close to pure evil as they get. Their need for power sometimes
borders on the pathological, and their willingness to torture others to justify
their beliefs makes them really tough to mantain a close friendship with.
Yeah, I don't know -- I just don't have many nice things to say about Scorpio,
though one of my best friends was one. I basically see Scorpios as the Cancers
who learned to control/feed their emotions but still aren't closer to
understanding them. That all said, I feel I can temper them, and their
instincts are quite keen.
> (luckily... and I'm sure your brother sorta
>wishes he were an only, deep down...)
He's convinced that it's his life's work to "show his idiot brother the way."
Did I mention he's YOUNGER than me?
I love him to death, but two things REALLY bug me about him. A) He's stubborn
to the point he won't really listen to any other viewpoints. B) He's critical
and rarely gives compliments. I mean, throw me a bone will ya??!!!??
> but I was raised by a Libra
>mother and a Capricorn father.
Hmm . . that's funny. My dad's a Gemini; my mom's a Taurus. Air + Earth =
WHY??!!!??
Michelle
~sigh~
Leave it to a Leo to twist things to support his point (our fair
leader, Bill Clinton, is a Leo; go figure...)
... And this may be where Drew and I get into "heated discussion"....
A Leo and an Arian fighting? WHAT are the chances!?!?!? ~LOL~
Don't worry, folks... if we do get into it, it will all blow over
soon, with no hard feelings.... right, Drew?
Okay.......
"s hawksworth" <s...@shxwf.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Madforit50 <madfo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000726043139...@ng-ce1.aol.com...
>> Not only are Libras noted contrarians, but they're perhaps the only Air
>signs
>> who enjoy debating with Leos and Sag's. Everybody else calls us
>egotistical,
>> arrogant bastards. I possibly can't imagine why. =)
>
>That's because we Librans enjoy debating with *any*one - then we can't
>understand it when they get hot under the collar or take offence! After all,
>for us discussion is FUN. My mother, a Leo, *hates* it when I challenge in
>the mildest way any of her pronouncements. "Stop being so argumentative!" is
>her constant cry.
>
>>
>> I tell ya, though. I knew Libras can also be quite deceitful and nasty.
>
>No! I utterly reject this vile aspersion!
>
So do I..... Librans are quite just. While they're not especially
known for blunt honesty and guilelessness (as Aries or Sagittarius
are), they will more than likely take the high road in an argument,
citing facts to back up their position. (Unless they are strongly
afflicted by Scorpio or Gemini).
As for nastiness.... Well, every sign has this capability, but, it
mainly depends on your perspective. I've been called "nasty" in the
past.... But if you were to look at it another way, I was merely
displaying the typical Arian selfishness and ego.
I will say this, though: Librans can also be known for their
self-centeredness.
> All
>> that yap about Libras being "nice folk" was probably written up by Libra
>> astrologers who believe that Libras are the best sign on the Zodiac
>(they're
>> generally considered that.)
>>
>
>So we've managed to con the other signs into believing our propaganda? It
>must be our famous charm. (Though I thought it was Geminis who were meant to
>be charming and insincere!)
>
>Sally
>
>
Librans *are* known for their charm. ANY astrologer will tell you
that.
So, they win a few of their battles by using it.... That's just the
way they work. A victory is a victory, to them.
The thing is, that different qualities, depending on who you ask, can
either label you "nice folk" or "mean folk"... I've known plenty of
very nice Librans in the past. And, I've known a heap of selfish,
pushy, bickering Librans, as well. But, I could say that about any
sign, really. (Perhaps with the exception of Pisceans...)
We all have the power inside of us to be either polite, upstanding
people, or unpleasant, detestable scum. All astrological influence
aside, it's up to the individual to decide which road to take.
Usually, though, you'll find people displaying - at one time or
another - a bit of both.
Dave
>
> Dave says...
> > Horoscopes, to me, are on the same level as fortune cookie
> > messages
> >
>
> I got a fortune cookie once and it said
> "You will get indigestion in two hours and sure enough..."
> So there Dave.
>
LOL! How'd they know what you were gonna order?
Dave
> > >Not quite -- venus in Cancer is bad for romance and sex.
> >
> > Uhhh . . that's a matter of interpretation. Let's just say there's alot
> riding
> > on every relationship.
> >
> > >Another Gemini!
>
> Dat's "cuz" Gemini's RULE!
>
> wha-wah-wah
Woo-hooo!!!!!
High five, Felix!
Les Faby
> Les Faby wrote:
> >
> > Dave says...
> > > Horoscopes, to me, are on the same level as fortune cookie
> > > messages
> > >
> >
> > I got a fortune cookie once and it said
> > "You will get indigestion in two hours and sure enough..."
> > So there Dave.
> >
>
> LOL! How'd they know what you were gonna order?
>
>
They checked my horoscope.
By the way this story was based on a true story!
(by Hollywood standards)
Michelle
madfo...@aol.com (Madforit50) wrote:
>
>Yes. Imagine Leo, Sag, and Aries; roundtable; 5 pints; no job -->
>
>Leo:"Though you do not see this, it's quite clear that Niles and Daphne are the
>apex of romantic sitcom. Why, the level of dialogue evokes Austen, Coward, and
>at times Oscar Wilde had he not such harbored odd feelings for his mama . . ."
>
>Sag:"I beg to differ. The trsyt between Niles and Daphne has little to do with
>romance or love. Rather, it's purely a game of false expectations predicated
>on society; if you had read, oh, your Marx, Jung, and Friedan, you would
>clearly agree with my argument; surely, it's infallible . . "
>
>Aries:"Oh shut up you two. What rot!"
>
>Leo + Sag:"Alright. You have your own theory."
>
>Aries:"Yeah. They like each other alot. And this Ballatine beer barely makes
>your mutual bulls*** palatable."
>
~ROFLMAO!!!~
Yeah, you captured it!
I have a Sagittarian friend (who fits your "talk, talk, and more talk"
description to a tee: "I don't care if I'm sleeping, CALL ME!!!"), who
drones on, and on, and on, about the most inane things; nailing down
details to the point of my destruction. I find myself trying
desperately to contain my frustration - the overwhelming urge to
exclaim, "I don't CARE what day it happened, get to the POINT!!!!"
Terribly impatient, we Arians are..... with an acute desire to cut
through the crap.
Oh, come on, it's CHARMING! <bats eyelashes>
>>
>>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Convince an Aries person of something???
>
>Or as he puts it, he genuinely believes that all of his opinions are 100%
>correct and doesn't understand why people disagree with him.
>
Of course he's 100% correct. He knows it, why don't you? ; )
>So right now my brother's dating a Cancer. An Aries + Cancer?
>AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Been telling/warning him for months about the Cancer
>temperament. Now that she's opened to him, he's swallowing the astrology
>stuff.
>
~LOL~ My best friend was a Cancer.... My God, that girl has been
through every mood and adventure known to humanity...
I have another friend who is also a Cancer... I'm not as close to her,
so it took me a while to notice the traits in her.... That was, until
I kept hearing about her on-again, off-again, on-again, and now
currently off-again relationship with her highschool sweetheart.
(It kind of reminds me of Monica's encapsulation of Rachel's feelings
towards Ross on 'Friends': "'I love Ross!' 'I hate Ross!' 'I LOVE
Ross!' 'I HATE Ross!'" I know Jen Anniston is an Aquarius, but, I'm
convinced that Rachel has some heavy Cancer affliction.)
>>. And if everyone wasn't pulling for Niles and Daphne to get
>>together, you couldn't have found a better "Lillith Jr." than Mel.
>
>Yup. Mel to me seems like the "little sister" version of Lilith, like Niles
>and Frasier. She seems to have enough girlishness to make her seem warm to
>Niles. But, I say that's a spring and trap.
>
>I kinda see Mel as a haughty Libra. Fussy, sharp-tongued, manipulative, big on
>appearances. The difference between Mel and Daphne, for some reason, reminds
>me of Cinderella and her sisters. Mel has the fine speech, manners, face, mind
>games, etc. that makes Daphne, however far she's gone the last 7 years, still
>feel working-class. And there's no doubt who will deliver the first punch,
>haha!
>
Now, if I were to try to guess Mel's sign, I would say Scorpio.... Her
drive for Niles to make CorkMaster in 'Whine Club' was unwavering. You
could tell she was getting a buzz from the power of being able to
manipulate him like that. She didn't argue with him, she stroked him,
beautifully tempting him with the idea that *he* had more right to the
position than Frasier did.... Masterfully done like a beautiful,
skillful serpent.
Scorpios are also known for their grace, wit, and in the females,
intense femininity.
>I can really see Roz with Donny -- Gemini + Leo have great chemistry. It's odd
>there wasn't some Roz vs. Daphne bit.
>
Well, there sort of was - behind Daphne's back, of course - in
'Decoys'.
>>I have the utmost respect for Scorpios, believe me. But..... The
>>instinct and power they posses, and their guardedness, are a little
>>too intimidating, IMO.
>
>I enjoy having Scorpio friends, being mutual power fiends. Still, frankly,
>Scorpios are as close to pure evil as they get. Their need for power sometimes
>borders on the pathological, and their willingness to torture others to justify
>their beliefs makes them really tough to mantain a close friendship with.
>
>Yeah, I don't know -- I just don't have many nice things to say about Scorpio,
>though one of my best friends was one. I basically see Scorpios as the Cancers
>who learned to control/feed their emotions but still aren't closer to
>understanding them. That all said, I feel I can temper them, and their
>instincts are quite keen.
>
Well, the King of the Jungle fears nothing..... The Ram is a little
more wary towards them, and will keep her little mouth shut.
>> (luckily... and I'm sure your brother sorta
>>wishes he were an only, deep down...)
>
>He's convinced that it's his life's work to "show his idiot brother the way."
>Did I mention he's YOUNGER than me?
>
>I love him to death, but two things REALLY bug me about him. A) He's stubborn
>to the point he won't really listen to any other viewpoints. B) He's critical
>and rarely gives compliments. I mean, throw me a bone will ya??!!!??
>
People make the same complaints about me. The funny thing I've
noticed, is that an Aries person can be extremely warm and
complimentary towards strangers, yet we tend to take those we're close
to for granted. So, basically, if an Arian snubs you, you know you're
loved. ; )
>
>> but I was raised by a Libra
>>mother and a Capricorn father.
>
>Hmm . . that's funny. My dad's a Gemini; my mom's a Taurus. Air + Earth =
>WHY??!!!??
>
I have no clue!
Gosh, a Taurean mother.... Something tells me you and your brother -
who, by birth, believed you deserved the world on a platter - didn't
get much spoiling from her.... Am I right?
-- 'Chelle
CPJ2000
> Dave says...
> > Les Faby wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave says...
> > > > Horoscopes, to me, are on the same level as fortune cookie
> > > > messages
> > > >
> > >
> > > I got a fortune cookie once and it said
> > > "You will get indigestion in two hours and sure enough..."
> > > So there Dave.
> > >
> >
> > LOL! How'd they know what you were gonna order?
> >
> >
>
> They checked my horoscope.
>
> By the way this story was based on a true story!
> (by Hollywood standards)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CPJ2000
s hawksworth
CPJ2000 <charle...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3980A483...@sympatico.ca...
Blast you, Charles! You got in first. It's a pity your ISP didn't keep you
hors de combat longer.
But that was a brilliant cross thread link, Les. I LOL, though slightly less
noisily than Charles.
Sally
CPJ2000
> CPJ2000 wrote:
>
> > Les Faby wrote:
> >
> > > Dave says...
> > > >Les Faby wrote:
> >
> >Dave says...
> >Horoscopes, to me, are on the same level as fortune cookie messages
> >
> > >I got a fortune cookie once and it said
> > >"You will get indigestion in two hours and sure enough..."
> > >So there Dave.
> >
> > > > LOL! How'd they know what you were gonna order?
> > >
> > > They checked my horoscope.
> > >
> > > By the way this story was based on a true story!
> > > (by Hollywood standards)
> >
> > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Blast you, Charles! You got in first. It's a pity your ISP didn't keep you
> hors de combat longer.
>
> But that was a brilliant cross thread link, Les. I LOL, though slightly less
> noisily than Charles.
Tee-hee............
CPJ2000
Solstice
between scorpio and saggitarius, so what does that make me? As no one seems
to agree on the exact date of the change over?
CPJ2000
Probably..., a horse-faced sex maniac.
CPJ2000
Les Faby
> >
> > > Dave says...
> > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CPJ2000
>
>.... LOL,... Sally
>
Thanks Charles and Sally: you've made my day.
Michelle
CPJ2000 <charle...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
~LOL~
Charles, be nice.
I'm also on the cusp between Pisces and Aries.... But, I had my chart
calculated online.... It doesn't tell you too much in the way of
specific personality traits, as a human astrologer would, since the
info is electronically generated, but it does give you the precise
location of the key heavenly bodies at the minute of your birth.
You'll need to know the time and location you were born to get an
accurate calculation, of course... If you don't know that.... well,
then you're kinda screwed, sorry. : )
Anyway....
If you (or anyone else) are curious, go to
Once you've signed up (it's free) with all of your birth info,
(signing up for the newsletter is not required), under Western
Astrology, find the Self Analysis section. Select to view the Planet &
House Position, and look at the chart displayed. Whichever sign the
Sun was in at your birth is your official "Star/Sun Sign".
So, the next time some creep comes up to you, and asks "Hey, Baby,
what's your sign?", with confidence, you can say, "*Stop*". ~LOL~
Sorry... bad joke.
Have fun!
Marit Lloyd
>CPJ2000
>(conceived night of mom's 29th birthday)
>
which gives me a theory on Libras and New Year's Eve
cam
Madforit50
>desperately to contain my frustration - the overwhelming urge to
>exclaim, "I don't CARE what day it happened, get to the POINT!!!!"
Yeah, that's why I LOVE my Sag friends. Haha! It's like those wassup
commercials. Though my brother has gotten better, conversations with him can
sometimes be quite curt. My experience with other Arieses suggests that yes
they do love to talk; but, only if REAL points are being made.
In other words, Aries talk is like a Hemingway novel -- short, sweet, but often
quite profound. And Sag's are like Faulkner, 2 pints, second-rate
doppelganger.
>
>Terribly impatient, we Arians are..... with an acute desire to cut
>through the crap.
>
Yup. I do admire that about my brother. He hates bureaucracy; come to think
of it, he also hates democracy, especially when the latter's applied to
friendly/family/romantic get-to-togethers. I guess Hitler thought he had a
better idea . . .
(ducking . . .)
>(It kind of reminds me of Monica's encapsulation of Rachel's feelings
>towards Ross on 'Friends': "'I love Ross!' 'I hate Ross!' 'I LOVE
>Ross!' 'I HATE Ross!'"
See, the irony is that I'm a Cancer fiend (yeah, yeah Leo + Cancer is as
cliched as Zodiac romance gets.) And my brother used to poke fun at all their
minidramas. Now that he's experiencing crap . . errrr. . crab love, I'm neatly
pointing out the, oh, "funny" coincidences. Much fun I tell you.
I had Rachel so picked out to be Leo. So, hearing she's Aquarius flipped me
out. Of course, I see Ross as either Cancer or a wussy Leo. He's very
self-involved you know!
>
>Now, if I were to try to guess Mel's sign, I would say Scorpio....
>Scorpios are also known for their grace, wit, and in the females,
>intense femininity
Grace --> like a snake dance
Wit --> that hisses
Intense --> as they squeeze their prey . . .
Mel might well be. She radiates the sort of feral intelligence Scorpios are
also known for. I fell for a Scorpio once, back in high school. In
retrospect, I couldn't get past her eyes.
Thing with Mel is that my friends know of a girl who's ALOT like Mel. Even
looks like her; she's a Libra. It's in the eyes. If she looks at you with
blankness, she's a Libra. If her eyes are transfixing, she's a Scorpio.
>
>Well, there sort of was - behind Daphne's back, of course - in
>'Decoys'.
True dat. =)
>Well, the King of the Jungle fears nothing.....
Oh yes. The King of the Jungle fear something -- the temper of a bull. When
my mother loses her temper, like I understand many Tauruses, everybody runs.
>The funny thing I've
>noticed, is that an Aries person can be extremely warm and
>complimentary towards strangers, yet we tend to take those we're close
>to for granted.
SO TRUE!!!! I figured because my brother was an Aries-Virgo, he's bound to
point out details needed to be worked on. His criticisms are quite astute.
Though his compliments are quite mute. But, again, I do love him to death,
though. He's exceptionally generous to me and his friends.
>
>Gosh, a Taurean mother.... Something tells me you and your brother -
>who, by birth, believed you deserved the world on a platter - didn't
>get much spoiling from her.... Am I right?
Hmm . . I think "spoiling" is a "relative" question. But, I don't think we
were spoiled. Though my brother could work on her, of course. My mother likes
to say that life is a long, hard journey, and I believe it.
This one Libra mother I heard of, was SO Brady Brunch to her children. Her
idea of punishment was withholding dessert or the cookie jar. Ahhh isn't that
sweet . . . . . .
s hawksworth
Michelle <m_v_l_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:397fe6fa...@news.prodigy.net...
> I will say this, though: Librans can also be known for their
> self-centeredness.
>
> - 'Chelle
So to take this dig personally would be an example of typical Libran
self-centredness, right? Shucks! And I can't even retaliate with some nasty
cracks about Arians, because, to be honest, I don't have the info, since
I've never been able to muster much interest in any star sign other than my
own! <g>
Sally
Madforit50
>be charming and insincere!)
Hmm . . nice euphemisms for deceitful and nasty. Geminis are insincerely
charming; Libras are charmingly insincere;
Yeah, Leos can be like that about arguments. I think Socrates was a Libra 'cos
Libras like to question and question and question and doubt and doubt and doubt
and fuss and fuss and fuss. But, do they come up with their own theory of the
universe??? NO!!!!
But, if you want to torture a Libra (well, a particularly Libra), just shoot
the questions back. Again and again and again. Then, they have to make up
their mind to support their argument and rather than bother working something
out, they go "whatever."
Whatever?!!?? Is that it? I bet Socrates said that too every 3rd line in the
original Republic too.
Madforit50
Or, rather, my thing is supported and point twisted?
(our fair
>leader, Bill Clinton, is a Leo; go figure...)
Yes, Bill does go for figures. =)
>A Leo and an Arian fighting? WHAT are the chances!?!?!?
'Bout as likely as a worse thing happening to Donny on the night before his
wedding.
>it will all blow over soon, with no hard feelings.... right, Drew?
>
Oh sure. Need ice for that hit? =P
Madforit50
>Sun-Sagittarius, Moon-Pisces, Ascendent-Scorpio, Venus-Scorpio.
>
Off the bat, a dude of above composition could be a true connesieur in the art
of cafe slacking. He'd have the gift for gab and his heart's (all sap or quite
bitter.) Passion runs high; exes should die, but this guy should really try.
I was talking about another Sag-Pisces I knew, of course not you(?)
Madforit50
Nah. Mrs. Stone is a Pisces, who like Jesus is known for long nails.
>
>What? Not rocking back and forth on your fainting couch in a cavernous
>apartment like Niles (after breaking up with Maris)?
Actually, some Libras I know have a terrific "I-hate-you" spell.
>> Yup. Me too. Once I finally get started on the thing I've put off I'm a
>real
>> perfectionist.
>
>You're a closet Gemini!
At least Geminis finish. Libras will tell you why they didn't finish the
Sistine Chapel and show you a cafeteria.
BTW, I'm just generalizing about astrology folks. Libras, if you tell me why
you didn't finish the Sistine Chapel, show me a cafeteria, and managed to
notice I look great in speedos, I'd believe you. After all, you truly
recognize perfection. =) (Ducking?)
Zee
I will venture to say that one reason why their relationship might
succeed is that for once it started from friendship as far as Daphne is
concerned. She has too much of a tendency to see men as potential
lovers, especially those she's just met. Her passionate nature has also
led her to seek passion in the wrong place, ie. the supposed romantic
ideals of trashy romance novels - Fabio clones = Eric The Red. She's
wanted a man she could idealise in some way. Niles is like that, too -
and of course he found his ideal in her.
That maybe why she didn't think of Niles as anything else for a long
time because he's very 'unassuming' as a man, according to the cliches
of what a man is supposed to be like. BUt she's always appreciated
Niles's sensitivity.
This would sum it up quite well:
Daphne: I suppose I like my gents more on the manly side. (Watching
Niles fold a napkin) Was that a little swan you made?
Niles, crushing it: No, it was a B-52.
Zee.
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s hawksworth
> >(Though I thought it was Geminis who were meant to
> >be charming and insincere!)
>
> Hmm . . nice euphemisms for deceitful and nasty. Geminis are insincerely
> charming; Libras are charmingly insincere;
>
> Yeah, Leos can be like that about arguments. I think Socrates was a Libra
'cos
> Libras like to question and question and question and doubt and doubt and
doubt
> and fuss and fuss and fuss. But, do they come up with their own theory of
the
> universe??? NO!!!!
>
> But, if you want to torture a Libra (well, a particularly Libra), just
shoot
> the questions back. Again and again and again. Then, they have to make
up
> their mind to support their argument and rather than bother working
something
> out, they go "whatever."
>
> Whatever?!!?? Is that it? I bet Socrates said that too every 3rd line in
the
> original Republic too.
>
>
> --drew
>
Well, I'm always happy to support my arguments myself - at exhaustive
length! The evidence for this particular assertion is to be found everywhere
on ATF, though I'm trying to restrain myself a little so that Michelle's
eyes won't glaze over any more. ;-)
A quick (well, actually quite long) netsearch for evidence of Librans who
have come up with theories on the universe has drawn a complete blank, so I
may have to accept your assertion on that one. We seem to be a bit short on
great scientists generally. And it's certainly true that I'm *hopeless* at
making up my mind about anything - what to order for a meal out, how to
redecorate the kitchen, which clothes to throw out. (Answer to the last -
stuff them back in the wardrobe and delay the decision for a few more
years.)
However you asked in another post for a Libran justification for not getting
the Sistine chapel finished. Easy. We weren't asked in the first place.
Neither Michelangelo or Leonardo were Librans. (March 6th and April 15th
respectively. Don't know what that makes them.) And since they both spent
their lives being conspicuously brilliant but failing to finish almost
everything they started it appears that Librans aren't the only star sign
that has problems getting things done. ;-)
Sally
Madforit50
Generally -->
Scorpios:Intense/passionate, hard-working, magnetic, very passionate/physical
in love
Sag:Chatty, blunt, argumentative, sometimes lazy