I just want to know - TWWW
Broughps
didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they have
trained tranport pilots?
3. Why the need to gag Pilot when they brought him on board?
4. Just what exactly does Pilot's world look like? I remembered it as sort of
aquatic, but looking at it again it looks almost canyon like.
5. Just what part of a Pilot is it that bonds with a leviathan? Nerves,
Muscles, what?
6. How did Pilots and Leviathans first meet up and decide to join together?
7. Was Velorek born a PK or was he conscripted? He seems awfully willing to go
against the PK norm.
Comments
1. I like Velorek. He seems to want to do the right thing within PK rules, but
is willing to break them when he knows they are wrong.
2. This is one episode where Zhaan, Rygel and D'Argo get on my nerves with
their high and mighty attitudes. Hypocrits.
3. When Aeryn says she and Velorek were lovers you almost feel the knife go
through John's heart. This is a great Claudia and Ben episode.
Penni
Allan Matthews
brou...@aol.com says...
> 1. Why did John show Aeryn the video in front of the rest of the crew? Why
> didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
Then we wouldn't have had that lovely scene. Besides, Chiana found the
recording and we know she doesn't exactly like Aeryn all that much.
> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they have
> trained tranport pilots?
First you want to screw up a scene, now you want to fiddle with the
overall plot...
Seriously, though, maybe they didn't have any transport pilots handy.
In Crais' "I want it done yesterday" world they probably just grabbed
the nearest pilot (Aeryn) to go get Pilot.
> 3. Why the need to gag Pilot when they brought him on board?
To the PKs he's an animal. Animals with jaws like that should be
muzzled for safety reasons.
[much snippage]
> 2. This is one episode where Zhaan, Rygel and D'Argo get on my nerves with
> their high and mighty attitudes. Hypocrits.
I can see Zhaan as hypocritical, as she's a murderer. The others still
have some moral leverage in the situation. They, after all, only took
Pilot's arm, which grew back.
What we also see is Zhaan's continued antipathy towards the PKs being
dumped on Aeryn again. Same goes for Rygel and, to a lesser extent,
D'Argo. It must also be remembered that they had legitimate questions
about Aeryn's previous time on Moya, given what had happened to them
while imprisoned on board.
I like the scene where Zhaan's angry with Aeryn one moment and then,
when Aeryn tells her she's leaving, her caring for Aeryn breaks through
and we see that she sees Aeryn's situation for what is was.
D'Argo also shows that, even with what he's learned about Aeryn, he's
not going to let her come to harm if he can help it.
allan
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"Allan Matthews" <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <20010223231326...@ng-bk1.aol.com>,
> brou...@aol.com says...
> > 1. Why did John show Aeryn the video in front of the rest of the crew?
Why
> > didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
>
> Then we wouldn't have had that lovely scene. Besides, Chiana found the
> recording and we know she doesn't exactly like Aeryn all that much.
I didn't watch it so my memory's not fresh on this point -- but didn't
Chiana show it first to Crichton, as kind of a "what do I do with this
thing?" problem. IMO Rygel got pegged as the major trouble-maker in this
episode (for showing the recording to Pilot), whereas I believe it was
really Chiana who created the entire mess. She had two choices that were
far superior to the one she made: 1) she could have destroyed the recording
and told no one about it (probably the best choice) or 2) she could have
brought the recording to Aeryn and given it to her to deal with. I don't
get Crichton showing it to everyone, either -- but it can be explained by
way of, "hey, Pilot isn't Moya's original Pilot!" which I'm sure we can all
agree is pretty significant news.
This is my all-time favorite episode, and I wrote up all sorts of stuff in
the original WROCS back when it first aired. In case you're interested:
http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=281201
As far as Penni's other comments... I detest Velorek, he's slime. I hate
the way he manipulated Pilot, who shares equal responsibility for the death
of Moya's first Pilot. But don't get me started. ;)
Joan
http://members.home.net/quieti/
Jim Larson
<GmJl6.43$Ye3.1...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com>:
<snip>
>
>As far as Penni's other comments... I detest Velorek, he's slime. I
>hate the way he manipulated Pilot, who shares equal responsibility for
>the death of Moya's first Pilot. But don't get me started. ;)
>
Dammit.
Maybe we were separated at birth.
--
Jim
Jerry Boyajian
> 1. Why did John show Aeryn the video in front of the rest of the
> crew? Why didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
Chiana knew about the tape. If John tried to keep it secret from the
others, and she blabbed, it would make things worse. I imagine that
John felt that it would be better in the long run to be open about
the whole thing. It's also possible that he didn't think that they
would react the way they did.
Of course, the above begs the question of why would Chiana blab? The way
I see it, Chiana is a Discordian, and tries to stir the pot (or keep it
stirred) just because she can. Notice that she seemed to "switch sides"
during the whole thing. At one point, she seems anti-Aeryn, at another,
she's defending her.
> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they
> have trained tranport pilots?
I'd have to go over this again to catch the relevant dialogue, but my
memory is that she wasn't a Prowler pilot at that point. That was why
she betrayed Velorek: to get Prowler detail as a reward.
> 3. Why the need to gag Pilot when they brought him on board?
Maybe they thought his spouting his natural, complex language would've
been too annoying. :-)
> 4. Just what exactly does Pilot's world look like? I remembered it as
> sort of aquatic, but looking at it again it looks almost canyon like.
We never get a good look, unfortunately.
> 5. Just what part of a Pilot is it that bonds with a leviathan? Nerves,
> Muscles, what?
Nerves. That's how/why he is able to perceive what Moya sees/hears. All
that is neuro-transmitted data. And that's also why the grafting left
him in permanent pain.
> 6. How did Pilots and Leviathans first meet up and decide to join
> together?
I imagine that it was a Peacekeeper experiment in the distant past. If
they realized what Pilot's race was capable of in terms of perception,
multi-tasking, etc., it might've occurred to them that they could bond
with Leviathans. Or perhaps the was the Builders' idea when they first
created the Leviathans.
> 7. Was Velorek born a PK or was he conscripted? He seems awfully
> willing to go against the PK norm.
Probably conscripted. If he had the training/expertise in a field that
they needed, they would probably draft him just as the US Army would
draft medical professionals for service.
> Comments
> 1. I like Velorek. He seems to want to do the right thing within PK
> rules, but is willing to break them when he knows they are wrong.
I don't know. I got the feeling that he served his own selfish agenda
more than any higher concept of right and wrong. Sometimes the two
coincided.
He's the only real problem I have with this episode. I found him an
exceedingly bland character. I couldn't really understand what it was
about him that attracted Aeryn. But then, we only got brief snippets
of him. There could've been a great deal more to him that we didn't see.
> 2. This is one episode where Zhaan, Rygel and D'Argo get on my nerves
> with their high and mighty attitudes. Hypocrits.
That's my reaction, too. On the other hand, they were reacting to gut
feelings, and those gut feelings are understandable. Zhaan and D'Argo,
at least, eventually realized that they were being unfair to Aeryn.
Rygel...well, Rygel is a selfish little slug, anyway. I think that
Chiana was right on the mark when she said that Rygel showed the
recording to Pilot so that Pilot would owe him one.
If anything, I really liked how this played out. Because I abhored
what D'Argo, Zhaan, and Rygel had done to Pilot in "DNA Mad Scientist",
and wanted to see that that was never forgotten. That the shoe was now
on the other foot I found immensely satisfying.
> 3. When Aeryn says she and Velorek were lovers you almost feel the
> knife go through John's heart.
Oh, I don't know. In some respects, yes. Recall that in "Crackers Don't
Matter", he called Aeryn a "frigid bitch". I think we're meant to assume
that this is something that he really felt subconciously, but always
suppressed, and at that time had lost his inhibition about verbalizing
it.
I figure that it's his subconcious rationalization for why Aeryn always
held back from him. His way of telling himself that it's "not him", but
that she'd be like that with any man. That she was capable of opening
up her heart to Velorek smashes that idea into little pieces, and now
he has to wonder if it *is* him.
On the other hand, I think that last scene shows that he feels that
he has a chance with her after all, especially given the parallels.
> This is a great Claudia and Ben episode.
Absolutely.
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Broughps
>brou...@aol.com says...
>> 1. Why did John show Aeryn the video in front of the rest of the crew? Why
>> didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
>Then we wouldn't have had that lovely scene. Besides, Chiana found the
>recording and we know she doesn't exactly like Aeryn all that much.
Then why didn't she show it to the whole group at once instead of just
Crichton?
>> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they have
>> trained tranport pilots?
>First you want to screw up a scene, now you want to fiddle with the
overall plot...
I try my hardest. : )
>Seriously, though, maybe they didn't have any transport pilots handy.
>In Crais' "I want it done yesterday" world they probably just grabbed
>the nearest pilot (Aeryn) to go get Pilot.
I would have thought the PKs would be regularly using transports thus having
plenty of transport pilots around.
>> 3. Why the need to gag Pilot when they brought him on board?
>To the PKs he's an animal. Animals with jaws like that should be
>muzzled for safety reasons.
I could have seen that if he hadn't been a willing participant but he wanted to
be there.
>[much snippage]
>> 2. This is one episode where Zhaan, Rygel and D'Argo get on my nerves with
>> their high and mighty attitudes. Hypocrits.
>I can see Zhaan as hypocritical, as she's a murderer. The others still
>have some moral leverage in the situation. They, after all, only took
>Pilot's arm, which grew back.
>What we also see is Zhaan's continued antipathy towards the PKs being
>dumped on Aeryn again. Same goes for Rygel and, to a lesser extent,
>D'Argo. It must also be remembered that they had legitimate questions
>about Aeryn's previous time on Moya, given what had happened to them
>while imprisoned on board.
>I like the scene where Zhaan's angry with Aeryn one moment and then,
>when Aeryn tells her she's leaving, her caring for Aeryn breaks through
>and we see that she sees Aeryn's situation for what is was.
I didn't see that scene that way at all. I didn't really see any change in
Zhaan's attitude. Just because you say your sorry doesn't mean you are. I saw
it more of avoiding further
Broughps
>> > 1. Why did John show Aeryn the video in front of the rest of the crew?
Why
> >> didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
>> Then we wouldn't have had that lovely scene. Besides, Chiana found the
>> recording and we know she doesn't exactly like Aeryn all that much.
>> <snip remainder>
>I didn't watch it so my memory's not fresh on this point -- but didn't
>Chiana show it first to Crichton, as kind of a "what do I do with this
>thing?" problem. IMO Rygel got pegged as the major trouble-maker in this
>episode (for showing the recording to Pilot), whereas I believe it was
>really Chiana who created the entire mess. She had two choices that were
>far superior to the one she made: 1) she could have destroyed the recording
>and told no one about it (probably the best choice) or 2) she could have
>brought the recording to Aeryn and given it to her to deal with.
I think she uses Crichton as a sort o moral
Broughps
(stupid computer sending on it's own again)
go back to the previous post for the rest
>I like the scene where Zhaan's angry with Aeryn one moment and then,
>when Aeryn tells her she's leaving, her caring for Aeryn breaks through
>and we see that she sees Aeryn's situation for what is was.
I didn't see that scene that way at all. I didn't really see any change in
Zhaan's attitude. Just because you say your sorry doesn't mean you are. I saw
it more of avoiding further fighting not a true apology.
Penni
Broughps
>>> > 1. Why did John show Aeryn the video in front of the rest of the crew?
Why
> >>> didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
>>> Then we wouldn't have had that lovely scene. Besides, Chiana found the
>>> recording and we know she doesn't exactly like Aeryn all that much.
>>> <snip remainder>
>>I didn't watch it so my memory's not fresh on this point -- but didn't
>>Chiana show it first to Crichton, as kind of a "what do I do with this
>>thing?" problem. IMO Rygel got pegged as the major trouble-maker in this
>>episode (for showing the recording to Pilot), whereas I believe it was
>>really Chiana who created the entire mess. She had two choices that were
>>far superior to the one she made: 1) she could have destroyed the recording
>>and told no one about it (probably the best choice) or 2) she could have
>>brought the recording to Aeryn and given it to her to deal with.
>I think she uses Crichton as a sort of moral compass. SHe seems to run to him
when there's a problem. I can't remember her going to anyone else.
> I don't get Crichton showing it to everyone, either -- but it can be
>explained by way of, "hey, Pilot isn't Moya's original Pilot!" which I'm
>sure we can all agree is pretty significant news.
But he had to know that any reaction was not going to be favorable and could
cause problems.
Penni
Broughps
> (Broughps) wrote:
<snippage occured>
>> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they
>> have trained tranport pilots?
>I'd have to go over this again to catch the relevant dialogue, but my
>memory is that she wasn't a Prowler pilot at that point. That was why
>she betrayed Velorek: to get Prowler detail as a reward.
She stated that she was pulled from prowler duty and wanted to get back to it.
<snip>
>> 4. Just what exactly does Pilot's world look like? I remembered it as
>> sort of aquatic, but looking at it again it looks almost canyon like.
>We never get a good look, unfortunately.
It looked similar to Chirachua (sp) National Monument with alot of fog or mist.
What I found interesting was all the shooting stars in the night sky.
<again with the snipping>
>> 6. How did Pilots and Leviathans first meet up and decide to join
>> together?
>I imagine that it was a Peacekeeper experiment in the distant past. If
>they realized what Pilot's race was capable of in terms of perception,
>multi-tasking, etc., it might've occurred to them that they could bond
>with Leviathans. Or perhaps the was the Builders' idea when they first
>created the Leviathans.
Or did the PKs happen upon a Leviathan with a Pilot aboard and take advantage
of it so that Leviathans would be of use to them.
<yup did it again>
>> Comments
>> 1. I like Velorek. He seems to want to do the right thing within PK
>> rules, but is willing to break them when he knows they are wrong.
>I don't know. I got the feeling that he served his own selfish agenda
>more than any higher concept of right and wrong. Sometimes the two
coincided.
I saw it more as "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
>He's the only real problem I have with this episode. I found him an
>exceedingly bland character. I couldn't really understand what it was
>about him that attracted Aeryn. But then, we only got brief snippets
>of him. There could've been a great deal more to him that we didn't see.
Strictly speaking as a female here, he is darned good looking. He must have
some smarts to hold his job and Aeryn probably thought of him at first of the
lesser of various evils she could have been stuck with. I wonder how much
choice female PKs get in this area. From what Aeryn said about her past
experiences being painful doesn't sound like there is much of a choice.
Penni
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> Original Message From brou...@aol.com (Broughps)
>
> > 1. Why did John show Aeryn the video in front of the rest of the
> > crew? Why didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
>
> Chiana knew about the tape. If John tried to keep it secret from the
> others, and she blabbed, it would make things worse. I imagine that
> John felt that it would be better in the long run to be open about
> the whole thing. It's also possible that he didn't think that they
> would react the way they did.
Much, Much worse.
> Of course, the above begs the question of why would Chiana blab? The way
> I see it, Chiana is a Discordian, and tries to stir the pot (or keep it
> stirred) just because she can. Notice that she seemed to "switch sides"
> during the whole thing. At one point, she seems anti-Aeryn, at another,
> she's defending her.
I thought that she would have tried to gain something from showing the tape.
Eventually someone would have found the tape. Perhaps Chiana felt that
selling
Aeyrn out would get her in better with the rest of the crew.
> > 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they
> > have trained tranport pilots?
>
> I'd have to go over this again to catch the relevant dialogue, but my
> memory is that she wasn't a Prowler pilot at that point. That was why
> she betrayed Velorek: to get Prowler detail as a reward.
I think she was a prowler pilot. Valorek complimented her on her piloting
skills.
In a recent post I wondered about officers and 'enlisted' PK's. I guess we
know
what a grunt PK looks like now (the taunting Aeryn received). However, they
seemed
to call everyone 'officer' or Lieutenant. (Don't the british and aussies
say it: Left-tenant?)
I have my theory tho. I feel that Valorek was the one that pulled Aeryn off
of prowler duty and assigned her to himself. Perhaps she caught his eye
somehow, and he was intent on seducing her. He was after all her superior
officer.
> > 3. Why the need to gag Pilot when they brought him on board?
>
> Maybe they thought his spouting his natural, complex language would've
> been too annoying. :-)
That bugged me. First we see pilot on board, scared and babbling, but then
it's revealed that Pilot and Valerek had a bargain, and they conversed
previously with ease. However, Valerak seemed to want Crais to think that
he was just as cruel and not at all compassionate to Moya and her pilot(s).
> > 4. Just what exactly does Pilot's world look like? I remembered it as
> > sort of aquatic, but looking at it again it looks almost canyon like.
>
> We never get a good look, unfortunately.
I wondered about that too. If only so many pilots are chosen, how do the
non bonded pilots move about their planet on those little feet?
> > 5. Just what part of a Pilot is it that bonds with a leviathan? Nerves,
> > Muscles, what?
> Nerves. That's how/why he is able to perceive what Moya sees/hears. All
> that is neuro-transmitted data. And that's also why the grafting left
> him in permanent pain.
>
> > 6. How did Pilots and Leviathans first meet up and decide to join
> > together?
> I imagine that it was a Peacekeeper experiment in the distant past. If
> they realized what Pilot's race was capable of in terms of perception,
> multi-tasking, etc., it might've occurred to them that they could bond
> with Leviathans. Or perhaps the was the Builders' idea when they first
> created the Leviathans.
My memory is shite, and I'm working on a sat. afternoon, so I'm not going to
look it up, but...wasn't there an episode where the 'Creators' or what have
you, lured Moya and Zhaan into that mist to decommission Moya? If they
created Leviathans, they must have included pilot's race as well.
> > 7. Was Velorek born a PK or was he conscripted? He seems awfully
> > willing to go against the PK norm.
> Probably conscripted. If he had the training/expertise in a field that
> they needed, they would probably draft him just as the US Army would
> draft medical professionals for service.
He was a good tech wasn't he?
> > Comments
>
> > 1. I like Velorek. He seems to want to do the right thing within PK
> > rules, but is willing to break them when he knows they are wrong.
> I don't know. I got the feeling that he served his own selfish agenda
> more than any higher concept of right and wrong. Sometimes the two
> coincided.
I agree. See my above comment about why Aeryn was pulled from Prowler duty.
> He's the only real problem I have with this episode. I found him an
> exceedingly bland character. I couldn't really understand what it was
> about him that attracted Aeryn. But then, we only got brief snippets
> of him. There could've been a great deal more to him that we didn't see.
> > 2. This is one episode where Zhaan, Rygel and D'Argo get on my nerves
> > with their high and mighty attitudes. Hypocrits.
> That's my reaction, too. On the other hand, they were reacting to gut
> feelings, and those gut feelings are understandable. Zhaan and D'Argo,
> at least, eventually realized that they were being unfair to Aeryn.
> Rygel...well, Rygel is a selfish little slug, anyway. I think that
> Chiana was right on the mark when she said that Rygel showed the
> recording to Pilot so that Pilot would owe him one.
> If anything, I really liked how this played out. Because I abhored
> what D'Argo, Zhaan, and Rygel had done to Pilot in "DNA Mad Scientist",
> and wanted to see that that was never forgotten. That the shoe was now
> on the other foot I found immensely satisfying.
I think more than anything it reminded them that she was a Peace keeper, and
also reminded them about their own experiences with PK's.
> > 3. When Aeryn says she and Velorek were lovers you almost feel the
> > knife go through John's heart.
>
> Oh, I don't know. In some respects, yes. Recall that in "Crackers Don't
> Matter", he called Aeryn a "frigid bitch". I think we're meant to assume
> that this is something that he really felt subconciously, but always
> suppressed, and at that time had lost his inhibition about verbalizing
> it.
I think it was just selfishness on his own part and jealousy over Valerek.
Here John is, trying to get inside (er..eh hee hee) of this ice queen, and
he finds out that she is actually capable of passion. It's also my opinion
that it's much easier to talk with someone you love about their past flings
than their past love(s).
> On the other hand, I think that last scene shows that he feels that
> he has a chance with her after all, especially given the parallels.
I thought that was kind of selfish too. Here she is thinking about this guy
in her past, and he wants to draw a direct relationship between himself and
Valerek. Perhaps that's why she left him in that long uncomfortable silence
afterwards.
I have some other thoughts of my own:
1. What *is* pilots name? What was the name of the pilot before him?
2. What is the name of pilots race?
3. Does anyone know where I can get more information of the PK's crafts?
From this past episode, I've noticed:
Command Carrier
Some smaller craft than a command carrier
Leviathan
Troop Transport
Prowler
For a few minutes during the episode I was wondering why Crais was wasting
his time with an unarmed transport ship...but then I was like: "oh...duhhh"
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> "Jerry Boyajian" <jaye...@MailAndNews.com> wrote
>> Notice that [Chiana] seemed to "switch sides" during the whole thing.
>> At one point, she seems anti-Aeryn, at another, she's defending her.
Possibly my favorite line in the entire episode was "What, did you think
she was out picking flowers while all of the *mean* Peacekeepers were
doing the really nasty stuff?"
>> I'd have to go over this again to catch the relevant dialogue, but my
>> memory is that she wasn't a Prowler pilot at that point. That was why
>> she betrayed Velorek: to get Prowler detail as a reward.
> I think she was a prowler pilot. Valorek complimented her on her
> piloting skills.
Yes, but she could've been piloting other sorts of craft.
> However, they seemed to call everyone 'officer' or Lieutenant. (Don't
> the british and aussies say it: Left-tenant?)
Yes, but they're trying to play to American audiences. :-)
I thought it rather funny that when Crichton tried to imitate a PK
captain by effecting a ridiculous pseudo-British accent, he'd say
"leff-tenant".
> That bugged me. First we see pilot on board, scared and babbling,
> but then it's revealed that Pilot and Valerek had a bargain, and
> they conversed previously with ease.
I don't see that as a problem. It wasn't that Pilot *couldn't* converse
with Velorek with ease. It was that he was nervous and excited. When
he talked with Velorek on his homeworld, he was calm.
>> I imagine that it was a Peacekeeper experiment in the distant past. If
>> they realized what Pilot's race was capable of in terms of perception,
>> multi-tasking, etc., it might've occurred to them that they could bond
>> with Leviathans. Or perhaps the was the Builders' idea when they first
>> created the Leviathans.
> My memory is shite, and I'm working on a sat. afternoon, so I'm not
> going to look it up, but...wasn't there an episode where the 'Creators'
> or what have you, lured Moya and Zhaan into that mist to decommission
> Moya?
Yes. That was the "B" plot during the "Look at the Princess" trilogy.
> If they created Leviathans, they must have included pilot's race as well.
We don't have enough information to make any reasonable theories. It's
not even absolutely clear that the Builders actually *created* the
Leviathans (though I think they probably did). All we really know is
that they gave the Leviathans sentience (and a "soul").
>> He's the only real problem I have with this episode. I found him an
>> exceedingly bland character. I couldn't really understand what it was
>> about him that attracted Aeryn.
To respond to Penni's response to this, I suppose it was solely (or at
least initially) a physical attraction -- though, personally speaking,
I didn't think he was all that good looking. As opposed to, say, Crichton,
whom I would say was worth crawling naked over broken glass for (if one's
hormones leaned in that direction, that is).
>> If anything, I really liked how this played out. Because I abhored
>> what D'Argo, Zhaan, and Rygel had done to Pilot in "DNA Mad Scientist",
>> and wanted to see that that was never forgotten. That the shoe was now
>> on the other foot I found immensely satisfying.
> I think more than anything it reminded them that she was a Peacekeeper,
> and also reminded them about their own experiences with PK's.
I think that was part of it, too. They were likely at the point where
they didn't see Aeryn as a Peacekeeper any more, and this rather
forceful reminder was like getting a bucket of ice water thrown in
their faces. They likely just went into kneejerk anti-PK mode, and
took it out on Aeryn, whether fair or not.
>>> 3. When Aeryn says she and Velorek were lovers you almost feel the
>>> knife go through John's heart.
>> Oh, I don't know. In some respects, yes. Recall that in "Crackers Don't
>> Matter", he called Aeryn a "frigid bitch". I think we're meant to assume
>> that this is something that he really felt subconciously, but always
>> suppressed, and at that time had lost his inhibition about verbalizing
>> it.
> I think it was just selfishness on his own part and jealousy over Valerek.
I think that's being too harsh.
> Here John is, trying to get inside (er..eh hee hee) of this ice queen,
> and he finds out that she is actually capable of passion. It's also my
> opinion that it's much easier to talk with someone you love about their
> past flings than their past love(s).
True. But I don't think that John has ever felt that Aeryn was incapable
of passion. Especially at that point. He knows she is, but probably feels
that she works too hard to suppress it. There's little doubt that John
was feeling jealous of Velorek (I'd probably feel that way if I was in
his situation), but I think that was grossly outweighed by his concern
for Aeryn's situation, and his believing that she needed to take down
the wall between them and stop suppressing.
>> On the other hand, I think that last scene shows that he feels that
>> he has a chance with her after all, especially given the parallels.
> I thought that was kind of selfish too. Here she is thinking about
> this guy in her past, and he wants to draw a direct relationship
> between himself and Valerek.
You can't see it, but I've got this big-ass grin on my face right now.
A friend of mine felt exactly the same way, and we had a rather heated
discussion about all this back when the episode first aired. The way she
put it was, "He tried to make it about himself, when it should've been
about her."
> Perhaps that's why she left him in that long uncomfortable silence
> afterwards.
Exactly. My aforementioned friend felt that by not answering him, that
Aeryn was letting John have the last word. To me, her silence *was*
the last word.
As for the "selfish" thing, I think love is inherently selfish, or at
least "enlightened self interest".
> I have some other thoughts of my own:
> 1. What *is* pilots name? What was the name of the pilot before him?
> 2. What is the name of pilots race?
Good questions. I've been wondering that virtually from the beginning
of the series.
> 3. Does anyone know where I can get more information of the PK's
> crafts? From this past episode, I've noticed:
> Command Carrier
> Some smaller craft than a command carrier
> Leviathan
> Troop Transport
> Prowler
There's also the Marauder, which is the box-shaped craft that the
PK commando teams in "Exodus from Genesis" and "A Bug's Life" used.
(The opening credits contain a shot of the Marauder landing in Moya's
hangar from "Exodus".)
And when Aeryn tells Larraq about her younger days, she mentions
several different types of craft, none of which come to mind at the
moment.
For some reason, this reminds me of something else that always puzzled
me. We all know that Aeryn was a Prowler pilot, but she's also been
described (in a few episodes) as "infantry". Infantry are ground forces.
Pilots are not infantry.
nancy
transport duty, for the the purpose of bringing the new pilot. I also think
that the betrayal was about getting a prowler duty again.
paghat
Pilot's background story was worth seeing a second time. A guilt-driven
plot besides.
-paghat the ratgirl
Steve Brooks
"Charybdis y La Zanahoria" > wrote
> "Jerry Boyajian" wrote
Yes we do. The word would sound too French otherwise..
> I have my theory tho. I feel that Valorek was the one that pulled Aeryn o
ff
> of prowler duty and assigned her to himself. Perhaps she caught his eye
> somehow, and he was intent on seducing her. He was after all her superior
> officer.
That's an interesting possibility. My assumption was always that prowler
pilots were some sort of elite (remember the animosity shown towards Aeryn
by the other PKs ) and that an elite pilot was considered necessary for this
high priority and highly sensitive mission. That does, however, make it
strange that she wasn't sent back to prowler duty afterwards. Of course,
that may have been Velorek's doing.
--
SB
Jim Larson
<ltfg9tc3iq103fmc8...@4ax.com>:
>On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:40:44 -0500, Jerry Boyajian
><jaye...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
>
>>> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they
>>> have trained tranport pilots?
>>
>>I'd have to go over this again to catch the relevant dialogue, but my
>>memory is that she wasn't a Prowler pilot at that point. That was why
>>she betrayed Velorek: to get Prowler detail as a reward.
>
>I think she was working Prowlers and was pulled off for this
>assignment, possibly as a disciplinary demotion.
>TJ
>
I don't know if it was disciplinary. They may just have picked the first
qualified pilot on some list somewhere. However, I'm certain they did say
she was pulled from prowler duty specifically to fly Velorek's transport.
She was definitely a prowler pilot before that.
--
Jim
Tante Joan
<jaye...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
>> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they
>> have trained tranport pilots?
>
>I'd have to go over this again to catch the relevant dialogue, but my
>memory is that she wasn't a Prowler pilot at that point. That was why
>she betrayed Velorek: to get Prowler detail as a reward.
I think she was working Prowlers and was pulled off for this
Nick
> Jerry Boyajian wrote:
>
>>> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they
>>> have trained tranport pilots?
>>
>>I'd have to go over this again to catch the relevant dialogue, but my
>>memory is that she wasn't a Prowler pilot at that point. That was why
>>she betrayed Velorek: to get Prowler detail as a reward.
>
>I think she was working Prowlers and was pulled off for this
>assignment, possibly as a disciplinary demotion.
I thought they just grabbed a pilot at random and it just happened to be
the one that was later to be on the show.
--
Nick
Jim Larson
<4ufg9t834e45ndlu8...@4ax.com>:
Funny how stuff like that is always happening.
--
Jim
Nick
>Nick wrote:
>>Tante Joan wrote:
>>> Jerry Boyajian wrote:
>>>
>>>>> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they
>>>>> have trained tranport pilots?
>>>>
>>>>I'd have to go over this again to catch the relevant dialogue, but my
>>>>memory is that she wasn't a Prowler pilot at that point. That was why
>>>>she betrayed Velorek: to get Prowler detail as a reward.
>>>
>>>I think she was working Prowlers and was pulled off for this
>>>assignment, possibly as a disciplinary demotion.
>>
>>I thought they just grabbed a pilot at random and it just happened to be
>>the one that was later to be on the show.
>
>Funny how stuff like that is always happening.
I suspect that they may have had this in mind when they cast her so it
may not be totally coincidental.
--
Nick
Jim Larson
<g8gg9t0gj0m8aap9r...@4ax.com>:
That's almost far-fetched enough to be true. Do you suppose having Crais in
charge of the gunship program, then having Crichton kill his brother, and
later having him end up on Talyn are all somehow connected or something?
--
Jim
Nick
Actually, I am saying kind of the opposite. They looked at what they had
and how it all worked together and then wrote the episodes from there.
--
Nick
Jim Larson
<2rgg9tcj6hqurdk6l...@4ax.com>:
I'm confused now. You were being serious? I certainly wasn't.
Anyway, I suspect they didn't have Velorek in mind as early as all that.
It's possible, but I don't think they really started to flesh out Aeryn's
past until they got a good look at what Claudia could do with the part.
--
Jim
Nick
What do you mean by "flesh out Aeryn's past?"
Isn't Farscape a documentary?
--
Nick
Nick
>
>Of course it's a documentary, but they're not above a little creative
>license now and then. For example, at the time of his death, the real Crais
>was 4'2" and 397 pounds.
But he is not near his death now. He hasn't even caught the shrinking
disease yet.
--
Nick
Jim Larson
<q5hg9t8gj0fjmhnr3...@4ax.com>:
That's better.
Of course it's a documentary, but they're not above a little creative
license now and then. For example, at the time of his death, the real Crais
was 4'2" and 397 pounds.
--
Jim
Jim Larson
<nhhg9tkq5bo22timo...@4ax.com>:
Yeah, that weight loss right before the end was pretty astounding.
--
Jim
Tom Francis
"Jim Larson" <larso...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yeah - anybody notice that Tupu has put on a little weight over the
past year or so..................
Nick
I meant the height loss.
--
Nick
Tante Joan
Especially when you consider that in his previous role, Lani Tupo was
black, 7'1" tall and a star of the NBA.
Tante "and I just love it when his mother does those commercials" Joan
T. Erik Browne
The way I saw it, after Zhaan saw the video she dehumanized Aeryn in her own
mind, to make it possible to hate her for what she'd done. When Aeryn said
she was leaving it finally reminded Zhaan that Aeryn was a person and not a PK
monster.
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I was impressed that he was able to play with no feet.
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Tom Francis
"Tante Joan" <tant...@nettaxi.com> wrote in message
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Yeah - the "Twin Towers" - Shaq Fu and Tu Pu...................
Jerry Boyajian
> What do you mean by "flesh out Aeryn's past?"
> Isn't Farscape a documentary?
Are you Thermian by any chance?
-- jayembee (Jerry dot Boyajian at eds dot com)
"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."
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Jerry Boyajian
>Broughps <brou...@aol.com> wrote:
>> I didn't really see any change in Zhaan's attitude. Just because you
>> say your sorry doesn't mean you are. I saw it more of avoiding further
>> fighting not a true apology.
> The way I saw it, after Zhaan saw the video she dehumanized Aeryn in
> her own mind, to make it possible to hate her for what she'd done.
> When Aeryn said she was leaving it finally reminded Zhaan that Aeryn
> was a person and not a PK monster.
Just having rewatched the episode...
I don't think it was just Aeryn saying that she was leaving, but also
Aeryn's admission that she was, well, basically, scum because of what
she did, and the obvious sincerity on her face, and in her voice.
But I'd also like to counter Penni's interpretation that Zhaan's
apology was just hollow words. If it was, she would've left it there.
But she didn't. She then said, "You did what you were expected to do.
You were the only kind of Peacekeeper you could be." This suggests
that Zhaan *was* now seeing the other point of view, and not just
making noise. Also, her response to John telling him that Aeryn was
leaving was said in a tone that suggested that she thought it a bad
idea.
To clear up an earlier error of mine, Aeryn was definitely a Prowler
pilot who was pulled off that duty specifically to fly the transport,
and wanted to get back to her Prowler.
Further, to add to a previous response of mine to Charybdis y La Z,
concerning Peacekeeper ship types: I checked "A Bug's Life", and Aeryn
tells Larraq that she flew "scrubrunners" when she was 14, and a
half-cycle later flew a KL-80 and -81 (whatever they are). She started
Prowler training when she was 16, saying that she had to wait that long
because until then her feet didn't reach the pedals.
T. Erik Browne
Charybdis y La Zanahoria <JCla...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>"Jerry Boyajian" <jaye...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
>news:3AC3...@MailAndNews.com...
>> Original Message From brou...@aol.com (Broughps)
>>
>>
>> Maybe they thought his spouting his natural, complex language would've
>> been too annoying. :-)
>
>That bugged me. First we see pilot on board, scared and babbling, but then
>it's revealed that Pilot and Valerek had a bargain, and they conversed
>previously with ease. However, Valerak seemed to want Crais to think that
>he was just as cruel and not at all compassionate to Moya and her pilot(s).
Pilot was scared and babbling because he'd just spent several days bound and
gagged while being transported as cargo. Yet another example of how much of a
bastart Velorek was. He talks (more like suduces) Pilot into coming with him,
and then treats him like a thing.
>> > 4. Just what exactly does Pilot's world look like? I remembered it as
>> > sort of aquatic, but looking at it again it looks almost canyon like.
>>
>> We never get a good look, unfortunately.
>
>I wondered about that too. If only so many pilots are chosen, how do the
>non bonded pilots move about their planet on those little feet?
I got the feeling that it was a watery planet, so they swim about on the
surface.
>I have some other thoughts of my own:
>
>1. What *is* pilots name? What was the name of the pilot before him?
It's probably a new variation on the "you cannot pronounce my name" thing.
Since his language condenses so much meaning into a few syllables, his name
probably _sounds_ pronouncable but the others would never be able to get all
the inflections right to actually pronounce it correctly.
T. Erik Browne
paghat <spammersD...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Slaughtering the female pilot's pretty heavy for a kiddy show
Yeah, but then Farscape's not a kiddy show.
Gareth Kitchener
>In article <spammersDIE-pagha...@soggy70.drizzle.com>,
>paghat <spammersD...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>Slaughtering the female pilot's pretty heavy for a kiddy show
>
>Yeah, but then Farscape's not a kiddy show.
>
>
It is in the UK - shown at 6.25 pm. [1]
Just like that other "kids show" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
[1] Well... not *now* obviously, but it *was*.
--
Gareth Kitchener
Bedfordshire, England.
http://www.garethkitchener.com
Nick
>Nick wrote:
>
>> What do you mean by "flesh out Aeryn's past?"
>> Isn't Farscape a documentary?
>
>Are you Thermian by any chance?
Not that I know of.
--
Nick
John Iwaniszek
>
> Further, to add to a previous response of mine to Charybdis y La Z,
> concerning Peacekeeper ship types: I checked "A Bug's Life", and Aeryn
> tells Larraq that she flew "scrubrunners" when she was 14, and a
> half-cycle later flew a KL-80 and -81 (whatever they are). She started
> Prowler training when she was 16, saying that she had to wait that long
> because until then her feet didn't reach the pedals.
>
I didn't now you had to pedal a prowler. Do you think you can get
Campagnolo parts for one?
John Iwaniszek
>
> Original Message From tbr...@best.com (T. Erik Browne)
>
> >Broughps <brou...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Further, to add to a previous response of mine to Charybdis y La Z,
> concerning Peacekeeper ship types: I checked "A Bug's Life", and Aeryn
> tells Larraq that she flew "scrubrunners" when she was 14, and a
> half-cycle later flew a KL-80 and -81 (whatever they are). She started
> Prowler training when she was 16, saying that she had to wait that long
> because until then her feet didn't reach the pedals.
>
I didn't know you had to pedal a prowler. Do you think you can get
Campagnolo parts for one?
John Iwaniszek
>
> On 25 Feb 2001 06:21:33 GMT, tbr...@best.com (T. Erik Browne) wrote:
>
> >In article <spammersDIE-pagha...@soggy70.drizzle.com>,
> >paghat <spammersD...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>Slaughtering the female pilot's pretty heavy for a kiddy show
> >
> >Yeah, but then Farscape's not a kiddy show.
> >
> >
> It is in the UK - shown at 6.25 pm. [1]
> Just like that other "kids show" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
>
> [1] Well... not *now* obviously, but it *was*.
>
>
I think the Dawn character and story line has been very well done. The
magical appearance of Dawn, her doubts about her place in the family,
and the mother/daughter and sister/sister relationships are handled very
sensitively. It kind of mythologizes teenage angst in the same
tradition as 'I Was a Teenage Werewolf'.
Gareth Kitchener
<Jo...@Iwaniszek.com> wrote:
>> Just like that other "kids show" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
>>
>>
>
>I think the Dawn character and story line has been very well done. The
>magical appearance of Dawn, her doubts about her place in the family,
>and the mother/daughter and sister/sister relationships are handled very
>sensitively. It kind of mythologizes teenage angst in the same
>tradition as 'I Was a Teenage Werewolf'.
Yes. I found the sudden appearance of Dawn and the fact that she
seemed to have always been there, when she clearly hadn't, to be
confusing for the first few weeks, but it's all making sense now.
(I think we're a few weeks behind you - this week's episode was the
one where Glory conjured up the "Cobra-monster".)
This is on Sky by the way. The BBC are still showing season 4.
Boldman
"Broughps" <brou...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010223231326...@ng-bk1.aol.com...
> 1. Why did John show Aeryn the video in front of the rest of the crew? Why
> didn't he show it to her privately an avoid the whole mess?
John's motivations aren't always crystal clear - I would be inclined to
think that he felt they should know about their crew-member.
> 2. Why would they pull a prowler pilot for transport duty? Don't they have
> trained tranport pilots?
On a scale of prowler pilots/PKs to techs I would imagine that we can't have
techs flying transports as they're just the lowest of the low so pilots will
have to give up their beautiful prowlers for a stint on a tranport from time
to time.
> 3. Why the need to gag Pilot when they brought him on board?
He spits.
> 4. Just what exactly does Pilot's world look like? I remembered it as sort
of
> aquatic, but looking at it again it looks almost canyon like.
I also remember it as an aquatic world and haven't had an opportunity to see
the episode again since. Pilot's physiology would lead me to expect his race
to be aquatic-based as with Rygel's.
> 5. Just what part of a Pilot is it that bonds with a leviathan? Nerves,
> Muscles, what?
Probably their form of the spinal cord - that way Pilot is able to get all
the senses directly into his brain.
> 6. How did Pilots and Leviathans first meet up and decide to join
together?
Dance halls.
> 7. Was Velorek born a PK or was he conscripted? He seems awfully willing
to go
> against the PK norm.
Yeah, but then most (all?) of the PKs we've met so far are unwilling to go
against the grain... unless there are some extenuating circumstances going
on. Aeryn and Crais were forced away by the way events panned out, Crais by
his own previous actions chasing John.
> Comments
>
> 1. I like Velorek. He seems to want to do the right thing within PK rules,
but
> is willing to break them when he knows they are wrong.
I like to meet more PKs as the show goes on so that it can develop PK
culture and organisations etc.
> 2. This is one episode where Zhaan, Rygel and D'Argo get on my nerves with
> their high and mighty attitudes. Hypocrits.
Uh-huh - where were those attitudes when poor Pilot lost his frickin' arm?
> 3. When Aeryn says she and Velorek were lovers you almost feel the knife
go
> through John's heart. This is a great Claudia and Ben episode.
And the knife goes through the hearts of all the members of the John &
Claudia-Lovers Association (TM) too!
I haven't always got all the answers but I love the questions, Penni. I'm a
bit gutted that I didn't actually tape season 2 on video when it was shown
so I could go back and watch the episodes you base the questions on. Never
mind, season 2 out on DVD next month!
Boldman
> Penni
Paul L
wrote:
> I'm a
>bit gutted that I didn't actually tape season 2 on video when it was shown
>so I could go back and watch the episodes you base the questions on. Never
>mind, season 2 out on DVD next month!
>
>Boldman
>
Uhhh, where? I'm in the US and they're releasing the DVD's slower
than I thought was possible. I didn't think any other countries were
getting them very soon either. Where are you going to get them?
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Nick
>Boldman wrote:
>
>> I'm a
>>bit gutted that I didn't actually tape season 2 on video when it was shown
>>so I could go back and watch the episodes you base the questions on. Never
>>mind, season 2 out on DVD next month!
>
>than I thought was possible. I didn't think any other countries were
>getting them very soon either. Where are you going to get them?
He is in the UK. I think that all of season one has already been
released on DVD there.
--
Nick
Steve Brooks
"Tom Francis" wrote
> "Jim Larson" wrote
That's not weight.. He's just pleased that Vivianne wants to see him..
--
SB
Steve Brooks
"John Iwaniszek" wrote
> Gareth Kitchener wrote:
(T. Erik Browne) wrote:
> > >paghat wrote:
> > >>Slaughtering the female pilot's pretty heavy for a kiddy show
> > >
> > >Yeah, but then Farscape's not a kiddy show.
> > >
> > >
> > It is in the UK - shown at 6.25 pm. [1]
> > Just like that other "kids show" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
> >
> > [1] Well... not *now* obviously, but it *was*.
> >
> >
>
> I think the Dawn character and story line has been very well done. The
> magical appearance of Dawn, her doubts about her place in the family,
> and the mother/daughter and sister/sister relationships are handled very
> sensitively. It kind of mythologizes teenage angst in the same
> tradition as 'I Was a Teenage Werewolf'.
Of course, none of this has yet happened on British terrestrial TV.. So you
should have included a whole bunch of spoiler space..:-)
Now, would anyone like to discuss the cultural semiotics of The Powerpuff
Girls??
--
SB
Paul L
Hehe, I have a region free player. Maybe I'll look into that...
Broughps
>I haven't always got all the answers but I love the questions, Penni. I'm a
>bit gutted that I didn't actually tape season 2 on video when it was shown
>so I could go back and watch the episodes you base the questions on. Never
>mind, season 2 out on DVD next month!
Sticking my tongue out at Boldman. We probably won't get season two until next
year or later. : )
Penni
tucker
> > 1. I like Velorek. He seems to want to do the right thing within PK
> > rules, but is willing to break them when he knows they are wrong.
>
> He's the only real problem I have with this episode. I found him an
> exceedingly bland character. I couldn't really understand what it was
> about him that attracted Aeryn. But then, we only got brief snippets
> of him. There could've been a great deal more to him that we didn't see.
I sort of felt like they were trying to say that both of them were not your
average PK's. He obviously didn't blindly obey all the rules he was supposed
to serve by; and Aeryn was always played up as having the potential to "be so
much more" than she was being as a PK. Perhaps we are supposed to believe
that they somehow instinctively knew this about each other, even if it wasn't
ever really spoken out loud.
--
Erich
C-H # 2099
Silver Glen American Shorthairs
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tucker
>> > 4. Just what exactly does Pilot's world look like? I remembered it as
> >> > sort of aquatic, but looking at it again it looks almost canyon like.
> >>
> >> We never get a good look, unfortunately.
> >
> >I wondered about that too. If only so many pilots are chosen, how do the
> >non bonded pilots move about their planet on those little feet?
>
> I got the feeling that it was a watery planet, so they swim about on the
> surface.
I would guess that the lobster-like claws would support that theory. Maybe with
the good ratings they've been getting, they'll be able to afford to build the rest
of him, and flash back to his former life to answer all these questions.
Speaking of questions... Did we miss something, or did they never explain
exactly why Aeryn had some of Pilot's DNA inside her. I believe she mentioned
something about that.
Mark Morrison
>
> I would guess that the lobster-like claws would support that theory. Maybe with
>the good ratings they've been getting, they'll be able to afford to build the rest
>of him, and flash back to his former life to answer all these questions.
>
> Speaking of questions... Did we miss something, or did they never explain
>exactly why Aeryn had some of Pilot's DNA inside her. I believe she mentioned
>something about that.
>
From 'DNA Mad Scientist' in Season 1. Aeryn is injected with Pilot's
DNA as part of an experiment. Also the ep where D'argo, Rygel and
Zhaan cut off one of Pilot's arms.
Mark Morrison
I like the blonde one.
Mark Morrison
March 12th. I'm counting the days to 'Crackers Don't Matter' on
DVD...
Tom Francis
"tucker" <tuc...@ticon.net> wrote in message
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DNA Mad Scientist - Season One:
Moya and crew find planet.
Planet has DNA research base.
Namtar is big cheese and offers maps to get to get crew back home.
Only crew must donate DNA.
Stuff happens in-between.
Namtar wants Pilots arm.
Zhaan, D'Argo, Rygel chop off Pilot's arm.
Take arm to Namtar.
Namtar combines Pilot's DNA with Aeryn.
Aeryn turns into creepy creature.
John saves Aeryn finding magic potion to change Aeryn
from half crab, half Sebacean back to Sebacean.
John reverses Namtar's DNA and turns him into rat/bat.
Aeryn now has Pilot's DNA.
tucker
> DNA Mad Scientist - Season One:
>
> Moya and crew find planet.
> Planet has DNA research base.
> Namtar is big cheese and offers maps to get to get crew back home.
> Only crew must donate DNA.
> Stuff happens in-between.
> Namtar wants Pilots arm.
> Zhaan, D'Argo, Rygel chop off Pilot's arm.
> Take arm to Namtar.
> Namtar combines Pilot's DNA with Aeryn.
> Aeryn turns into creepy creature.
> John saves Aeryn finding magic potion to change Aeryn
> from half crab, half Sebacean back to Sebacean.
> John reverses Namtar's DNA and turns him into rat/bat.
> Aeryn now has Pilot's DNA.
Ok, I'd seen references to Pilots arm being chopped off, but as for the rest
of this: Are you serious???
I wish all the season 1 eps would come out more quickly, as there are a few I
have missed in there.
tucker
> From 'DNA Mad Scientist' in Season 1. Aeryn is injected with Pilot's
> DNA as part of an experiment. Also the ep where D'argo, Rygel and
> Zhaan cut off one of Pilot's arms.
Thank you very much!
Boldman
"Nick" <ni...@snurcher.com> wrote in message
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Indeed! But you R1 guys get the commentaries which aren't on the R2 releases
so it cuts both ways. Speaking for my sad self, I'll end up owning both
sets!
Boldman
Boldman
"Mark Morrison" <markmo...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Oh yes.
Boldman
Tom Francis
> Tom Francis wrote:
>
> > DNA Mad Scientist - Season One:
> >
> > Moya and crew find planet.
> > Planet has DNA research base.
> > Namtar is big cheese and offers maps to get to get crew back home.
> > Only crew must donate DNA.
> > Stuff happens in-between.
> > Namtar wants Pilots arm.
> > Zhaan, D'Argo, Rygel chop off Pilot's arm.
> > Take arm to Namtar.
> > Namtar combines Pilot's DNA with Aeryn.
> > Aeryn turns into creepy creature.
> > John saves Aeryn finding magic potion to change Aeryn
> > from half crab, half Sebacean back to Sebacean.
> > John reverses Namtar's DNA and turns him into rat/bat.
> > Aeryn now has Pilot's DNA.
>
> Ok, I'd seen references to Pilots arm being chopped off, but as for the
rest
> of this: Are you serious???
Well, that was the thirty second recap, but the facts are essentially
correct. Go to Scifi.com and look at the journey logs under
DNA Mad Scientist.
Jim Larson
<97c7f6$tvd$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>:
Conservation of mass. It didn't come from nowhere.
--
Jim
Steve Brooks
"Mark Morrison" > wrote
Whereas I prefer the redhead...
My daughter's mother has a serious case of the flu. So I'm playing
full-time dad at the moment. (Which means I've no chance of keeping up with
this group - apologies to anyone who should have had a response but didn't
get one.) I've sat through "The Complete Bagpuss" twice in the last 48
hours. I feel like I'm going mad!
--
SB
Steve Brooks
"Jerry Boyajian" > wrote
> Original Message From Nick <ni...@snurcher.com>
>
> > What do you mean by "flesh out Aeryn's past?"
> > Isn't Farscape a documentary?
>
>
Thermian? Is that the name of Pilot's race? If so, it sounds a lot like
'thermidor'...
--
SB
Mat Harold
And then finally I'll be able to see which side of the, 'Crackers
Don't Matter' vs 'Out Of Their Minds' is the funniest episode ever,
debate I'm on.
Mat
Joan Hedman (QuietI)
"Steve Brooks" <st...@REMOVETHIS6vaudrey.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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see Galaxy Quest.
Mark Morrison
Iain Clark
>
> "Mark Morrison" > wrote
> "Steve Brooks" wrote:
> > >"John Iwaniszek" wrote
> > >> Gareth Kitchener wrote:
> > > (T. Erik Browne) wrote:
> > >> > >paghat wrote:
> > >
> > >> > >>Slaughtering the female pilot's pretty heavy for a kiddy show
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Yeah, but then Farscape's not a kiddy show.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > It is in the UK - shown at 6.25 pm. [1]
> > >> > Just like that other "kids show" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] Well... not *now* obviously, but it *was*.
> > >>
> > >> I think the Dawn character and story line has been very well done.
The
> > >> magical appearance of Dawn, her doubts about her place in the family,
> > >> and the mother/daughter and sister/sister relationships are handled
very
> > >> sensitively. It kind of mythologizes teenage angst in the same
> > >> tradition as 'I Was a Teenage Werewolf'.
> > >
> > >Of course, none of this has yet happened on British terrestrial TV.. So
you
> > >should have included a whole bunch of spoiler space..:-)
> > >
> > >Now, would anyone like to discuss the cultural semiotics of The
Powerpuff
> > >Girls??
> > >
>
> Whereas I prefer the redhead...
>
> My daughter's mother has a serious case of the flu. So I'm playing
> full-time dad at the moment. (Which means I've no chance of keeping up
with
> this group - apologies to anyone who should have had a response but didn't
> get one.) I've sat through "The Complete Bagpuss" twice in the last 48
> hours. I feel like I'm going mad!
>
Ouch! Bagpuss is great, though. But maybe not when Complete. And
definitely not twice.
Why aren't you watching the Clangers, anyway? Kids need SF early or their
development will be warped.
Iain
--
"Signs, portents, dreams...next thing
we'll be reading tea leaves and chicken entrails."
Wombat Woman
Joan Hedman (QuietI) wrote:
*chortle* DEFINITELY see Galaxy Quest.
Wombat Woman
Steve Brooks
"Joan Hedman (QuietI)" wrote >
> "Steve Brooks" wrote > >
> > "Jerry Boyajian" > wrote
> > > Original Message From Nick <ni...@snurcher.com>
> > >
> > > > What do you mean by "flesh out Aeryn's past?"
> > > > Isn't Farscape a documentary?
> > >
> > > Are you Thermian by any chance?
> > >
> >
> > Thermian? Is that the name of Pilot's race? If so, it sounds a lot like
> > 'thermidor'...
> >
>
> see Galaxy Quest.
I'm working on it.. A couple of weeks ago I nearly convinced my sister and
her boyfriend to rent the video...
--
SB
Steve Brooks
"Iain Clark" wrote
> "Steve Brooks" > wrote
<snip>
> > My daughter's mother has a serious case of the flu. So I'm playing
> > full-time dad at the moment. (Which means I've no chance of keeping up
> with
> > this group - apologies to anyone who should have had a response but
didn't
> > get one.) I've sat through "The Complete Bagpuss" twice in the last 48
> > hours. I feel like I'm going mad!
> >
>
> Ouch! Bagpuss is great, though. But maybe not when Complete. And
> definitely not twice.
Actually it's one of the least-bad videos.. It's such a shame she objects to
me reading the paper while I "watch".
> Why aren't you watching the Clangers, anyway? Kids need SF early or their
> development will be warped.
Now that's an excellent suggestion.
--
SB
Iain Clark
It's a very enjoyable film. It takes the piss out of SF on TV, especially
Trek, but it does it in an affectionate way.
Nick
>
> "Iain Clark" <iainj...@dragonhaven.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:97isrs$pdmmp$1...@ID-36593.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "Steve Brooks" <st...@REMOVETHIS6vaudrey.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:97h8l4$50s$2...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "Joan Hedman (QuietI)" wrote >
> > > > "Steve Brooks" wrote > >
> > > > > "Jerry Boyajian" > wrote
> > > > > > Original Message From Nick <ni...@snurcher.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you mean by "flesh out Aeryn's past?"
> > > > > > > Isn't Farscape a documentary?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you Thermian by any chance?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thermian? Is that the name of Pilot's race? If so, it sounds a lot
> > like
> > > > > 'thermidor'...
> > > >
> > > > see Galaxy Quest.
> > >
> > > I'm working on it.. A couple of weeks ago I nearly convinced my sister
> and
> > > her boyfriend to rent the video...
> > >
> >
> > It's a very enjoyable film. It takes the piss out of SF on TV, especially
> > Trek, but it does it in an affectionate way.
>
> a complete, and fairly accurate, schematic of the Enterprise.
How come they never had to wait for the elevator on the Enterprise?
Tom Francis
"Iain Clark" <iainj...@dragonhaven.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> news:97h8l4$50s$2...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "Joan Hedman (QuietI)" wrote >
> > > "Steve Brooks" wrote > >
> > > > "Jerry Boyajian" > wrote
> > > > > Original Message From Nick <ni...@snurcher.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > What do you mean by "flesh out Aeryn's past?"
> > > > > > Isn't Farscape a documentary?
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you Thermian by any chance?
> > > >
> > > > Thermian? Is that the name of Pilot's race? If so, it sounds a lot
> like
> > > > 'thermidor'...
> > >
> > > see Galaxy Quest.
> >
> > I'm working on it.. A couple of weeks ago I nearly convinced my sister
and
> > her boyfriend to rent the video...
> >
>
> It's a very enjoyable film. It takes the piss out of SF on TV, especially
> Trek, but it does it in an affectionate way.
And accurate. I knew some guys back in the day who had developed
Tom Francis
John Iwaniszek
Fake machine?
Tom Francis
"John Iwaniszek" <Jo...@Iwaniszek.com> wrote in message
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F--king Magic...................
John Iwaniszek
The most unbelievable part of those shows was how they would always wind
up crawling around in Geoffrys tubes. You'd think he would get really
tired of it after the first time.
Tom Francis
"John Iwaniszek" <Jo...@Iwaniszek.com> wrote in message
My pet peeve was that whenever they encountered an alien species,
they always knew how to (1) operate the ship or (2) operate the
computers.
Of course one thing that always amused me about TNG was their
clever use of Morse Code. There was always a message in TNG
that was either flashed by lights, embedded in the wall decorations
or beeped in some fashion. It was usually not important to the
story, but was some version of "Enterprise" or "Star Trek" but one
time the red alert lights flashed "Picard is a fathead" and another
time it was "Kirk rules".
T. Erik Browne
For real fun, watch it on DVD with the Thermian language track.
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"Apparently I'm insane. But I'm one of the happy kinds!"
T. Erik Browne
To keep this vaguely on-topic, do any of you Brits have any opinions on
Henson's new series, "The Hoobs"?
Vivianne Cheshire
<tbr...@best.com> writes
>To keep this vaguely on-topic, do any of you Brits have any opinions on
>Henson's new series, "The Hoobs"?
Not yet. When do we get to see it?
--
"We aliens, set apart, reach only with fantasies"
Iain Clark
"Vivianne Cheshire" <V...@vanillapod.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <97jkj4$27g3$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, T. Erik Browne
> <tbr...@best.com> writes
>
> >To keep this vaguely on-topic, do any of you Brits have any opinions on
> >Henson's new series, "The Hoobs"?
>
> Not yet. When do we get to see it?
>
it? (Possibly this is just an insane leap of logic on my part as I've only
seen the poster <g>)
T. Erik Browne
Vivianne Cheshire <V...@vanillapod.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <97jkj4$27g3$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, T. Erik Browne
><tbr...@best.com> writes
>
>>To keep this vaguely on-topic, do any of you Brits have any opinions on
>>Henson's new series, "The Hoobs"?
>
>Not yet. When do we get to see it?
The website (www.hoobnet.com) claims it's on Channel 4 at 11am on weekdays.
Mark Morrison
>In article <oejqj$CqQWn...@vanillapod.demon.co.uk>,
>Vivianne Cheshire <V...@vanillapod.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In article <97jkj4$27g3$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>, T. Erik Browne
>><tbr...@best.com> writes
>>
>>>To keep this vaguely on-topic, do any of you Brits have any opinions on
>>>Henson's new series, "The Hoobs"?
>>
>>Not yet. When do we get to see it?
>
>
>The website (www.hoobnet.com) claims it's on Channel 4 at 11am on weekdays.
>
>
Too early for me - I'm usually still in bed.
(a)Unemployed or
(b)Student ?
YOU decide ! :)
Boldman
"John Iwaniszek" <Jo...@Iwaniszek.com> wrote in message
<phaser-fire snippage>
> The most unbelievable part of those shows was how they would always wind
> up crawling around in Geoffrys tubes. You'd think he would get really
> tired of it after the first time.
I can think of worse things to do than crawling around Jeffries Tubes behind
7 of 9!
Boldman
John Iwaniszek
I hear she has gas.
Tom Francis
"John Iwaniszek" <Jo...@Iwaniszek.com> wrote in message
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Graham Thurlwell
<jaye...@MailAndNews.com> says...
<snip>
> For some reason, this reminds me of something else that always puzzled
> me. We all know that Aeryn was a Prowler pilot, but she's also been
> described (in a few episodes) as "infantry". Infantry are ground forces.
> Pilots are not infantry.
Maybe the terminology in the Farscape Universe is different from our own.
Aeryn's role seems to be very similar to that of the Wildcards in Space:
Above and Beyond (combination of fighter pilot and foot soldier).
--
Graham 'Jades' Thurlwell
Jades' FFE Site: http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm
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