Lazarus! Could it be???????
David B.
> So now the producers can say that they brought him back. Now.... what do
> we bitch about?
>
Liam's dorky looking facial expressions.
GeorgeHaze
fans and that the character of Lazarus was really.......William Boone?
Michael Quinlan
>Could it be that the "Powers that be" have finally bowed to the will of the
>fans and that the character of Lazarus was really.......William Boone?
Of course Lazarus is (was) William Boone. I think the producers have been
watching South Park and are going to kill William Boone in every episode from
now on... Those bastards!!!
--
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Michael Quinlan m...@maq.org http://www.maq.org
Hookedarug
implanted with the false memories of a love affair in OldFlame. Remember,
Taelon technology allows them to implant memories that seem like they really
happened to you.
>(GeorgeHaze) wrote:
>
>>Could it be that the "Powers that be" have finally bowed to the will of the
>>fans and that the character of Lazarus was really.......William Boone?
>
D.Oliver
we bitch about?
Hookedarug wrote in message <19981114223918...@ng59.aol.com>...
Gary
>So now the producers can say that they brought him back. Now.... what do
>we bitch about?
D.,
I don't mean to be offensive, but if you really believe the nexus of complaint
(the gravamen if you will) regarding the change in orientation for season 2
centers on the death of Boone, well I feel sorry for you. Obviously you don't
get it.
The change from dramatic science fiction to science fantasy, the creation of a
comic book type superhero (to save humanity... note, in case you don't know,
this was the line for superman, alien from an advanced race, came to earth with
his goodness, insight and "advanced" super powers to help us out, this is
virtually Liams story as well, it is comic book). The relegation of Augur to
some kind of adolescent nerdy fantasy of "hacker", institution of holo-lilly to
add schlock cheesecake, loss of continuity between virtually every episode,
trivialization of the Taelons into essentially large, white, bald, skinny
humans, even the trivialization of plot week to week, it's now almost always
who's trying to off who.
Complain about Boone dying? No way... having a primary character move on is a
good thing... or it can be... do I wish in other Science Fiction programs that
even likable characters moved on... yes... that some even died... sure. Having a
likable key figure die could have really tested the Doors, it could have
dissociated Da'an with a means of insight to humanity, heck, it could have
become a huge positive, forcing the cast to deal with (each in their own way)
the loss of someone important to them (on many levels). Instead we get the pot
hole fill which is Liam. Like a pot hole, it doesn't exactly fit the hole, and
in this case it's way too large... the super power of the week, the dimension of
the week, the time travel of the week far transcends any vacancy left by the
death of the Boone character.
I find it incomprehensible you believe the death of Boone is the basis of
complaint with season 2 on this baord. One of us, obviously is reading a
newsgroup from a different dimension (pardon me if I hope it's you).
Regards
Rprince77
>Could it be that the "Powers that be" have finally bowed to the will of the
>fans and that the character of Lazarus was really.......William Boone?>>
wasen't this episdoe taped before the fans began to complain?..I thought they
had alreadt taped 11 episodes?
Jennifer Silverman
all of us who complained about Boone's death. (i.e. hey you fans hated
to see Boone go, well we'll bring him back and kill him off yet again to
make you even more angry).
The Edwardian
>
> D.Oliver wrote in message <72ltbi$39q$2...@supernews.com>...
>>So now the producers can say that they brought him back. Now....
>
> D.,
> I don't mean to be offensive, but if you really believe the nexus of
> complaint (the gravamen if you will) regarding the change in
> orientation for season 2 centers on the death of Boone, well I feel
> sorry for you. Obviously you don't get it.
>
Gary,
I don't mean to be insultive or condescending, either... It was the
death of Cmdr. Willam Boone, and the inadequate explanation of the
'non-renewal' of Kevin Kilner's E:FC contract that brought my irritating
presence onto this NG... If Boone were still around in the Second
Season, but the plots remained at their 'stinking', schlocky level that
they are at now, I would still be happily toodling along watching the
show, and a great deal of people would be less aggravated by my
'ghosting' here...
Agreed, that the loss of Boone is *not* the primary reason the show is
going downhill, *fast*, but it was the loss that started the 'ball
rolling', at least for me...
The Edwardian
(Remove '~' and number to Email)
(Now convinced that the return of Boone would not help the show at
all...)
The Edwardian
>
>>Could it be that the "Powers that be" have finally bowed to the will
>>of the fans and that the character of Lazarus was really......
>
> wasen't this episdoe taped before the fans began to complain?..I
> thought they had alreadt taped 11 episodes?
Hhmnn... Is there a real count of how many Season Season E:FC episodes
*are* 'in the can'? I have heard several numbers, from 8 to 13... Can
anyone confirm how many have been done, before the 'uproar' here
started?
The Edwardian
(Remove '~' and number to Email)
(Wondering how many episodes he is going to have to plod through before
he knows some effect has been made...)
Gary
<365083...@texas.net>...
>Hhmnn... Is there a real count of how many Season Season E:FC episodes
>*are* 'in the can'? I have heard several numbers, from 8 to 13... Can
>anyone confirm how many have been done, before the 'uproar' here
>started?
Edwardian,
We think differently, you wonder what the count is (as if somehow there would
be, or could be a means of "limiting" our collective (note the use of collective
in a non-Taelon construct) pain and anguish) where I begin to wonder if we
shouldn't just sit in for the ride, and enjoy the crash. I'm now settling in to
Plan 9 mode... I now expect it to be much worse week to week... in fact I demand
it... I want to see a catastrophic ending to this series like no other ever in
TV history... if all parties can keep it up.... they are now half way there (in
my estimation)... this could well become the TV series that defines failure!
You, I and all the others here will share a part of TV history... we'll have
witnessed first hand the full power of some executive producer somewhere to
screw something up on a biblical scale. Really, I have no hope for EFC to
recover, it's too late for that.... instead I want to see how far it will soil
itself, eventually I want my anguish at watching to become the anguish of any
person ever associated with the production, acting, writing, directing or heck
even the catering of this series. I really, truely, believe this is possible. As
each new episode is significantly worse than the previous week, the show will
transcend the horror it has become and be something remembered for the ages,
like Plan 9, the Hindenberg or the discovery of America by Columbus the trip we
are on with EFC could well become something more than just a trip... something
we will tell our grandchildren (we were there when EFC aired it's final
debasement).
I now look forward each week to EFC, I now laugh at each plot hole, when actors
hold ears and scream (not all in sync either) while entering a near death
state... I say welcome schlock... yes... let them escape without any
security.... let the equipment sustaining them be removed and watch them revive
(instead of die)... let Lilly demonstrate that anything the Taelons touch (like
Sandoval) can no longer change a flat tire... yes.. even Liam's father...
dressed now in white paste.... let me have more.... I want no plot
consistancy... I want bad acting... bad writing... bad direction... poor
editing... I demand the worst production values ever for a TV show... and EFC...
glorious EFC... definately aims to please my new objectives!... Finally...
folks... finally I start to see the light... I begin to enjoy EFC season 2...
much as say if a meteor were headed toward NYC on my vacation there... I'd
definately want a drink at the observation deck of the World Trade Center... if
it's going to go spectacularly... then get a good view... my belief is EFC is
going down in one heck of a set of flames...!!!
Terrafamilia
If EFC does a spectacular crash and burn, it will be a nice companion to Rob
Liefeld's PROPHET comic series. What a complete waste of a promising comic that
was.
Merrick Baldelli
>>Could it be that the "Powers that be" have finally bowed to the will of the
>>fans and that the character of Lazarus was really.......William Boone?>>
>
>wasen't this episdoe taped before the fans began to complain?..I thought they
>had alreadt taped 11 episodes?
According to what I understand they did. I got the impression
from watching this particular episode, that TPTB thought that they
were giving the fans some sort of cutesy tribute to the character of
Boone. While I admit that it was an interesting touch (for lack of
anything nicer to say about it -- as I'm sure they could've done a
hell of a lot better than making him into some puppet of Zo'or's
design as a form of sadism to the man that used to best him at every
opportunity), the rest of the particular episode was pretty sad.
Even getting glimpses of the Jaridians (through Auger's
illusions during the testing of his implants) turned out to be a
massive disappointment.
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Merrick Baldelli
<~wpow...@texas.net> wrote:
>Hhmnn... Is there a real count of how many Season Season E:FC episodes
>*are* 'in the can'? I have heard several numbers, from 8 to 13... Can
>anyone confirm how many have been done, before the 'uproar' here
>started?
For dramatic television (without the use of heavy special
effects), six to eight episodes has usually been the rule of thumb.
For shows with heavy special effects, like Babylon 5, Star Trek:
Voyager and so on -- the usual rule of thumb is eight to twelve
episodes ahead; as it usually takes Post Production quite a bit of
time overlaying the special effects into the filmed footage.
While these are indeed estimates, they're usually on the mark.
:)
PkJ0891
Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:55:26 -0800, The Edwardian
><~wpow...@texas.net> wrote:
>
>>Hhmnn... Is there a real count of how many Season Season E:FC episodes
>>*are* 'in the can'? I have heard several numbers, from 8 to 13... Can
>>anyone confirm how many have been done, before the 'uproar' here
>>started?
>
> For dramatic television (without the use of heavy special
>effects), six to eight episodes has usually been the rule of thumb.
>For shows with heavy special effects, like Babylon 5, Star Trek:
>Voyager and so on -- the usual rule of thumb is eight to twelve
>episodes ahead; as it usually takes Post Production quite a bit of
>time overlaying the special effects into the filmed footage.
>
> While these are indeed estimates, they're usually on the mark.
>:)
>
I asked Rami a variation of this question some time ago, and he confirmed that
we'll have to wait until #214 to see the changes. Thirteen eps were in the can
back then.
PKJ
TV doesn't have to be dumb. You can have a voice. If you want to be part of
the alternative TV ratings system, please check out Viewers for Quality
Television http://www.vqt.org
LtlStel
You're truly charismatic. I could feel the momemtum of your words and as I was
reading I thought of the movie where the guy opens his window and yells, "I'M
MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE." And then a lot of people
were opening their windows and yelling the same thing.
I don't agree with you. I am Pollyanna enough to believe EFC will get better.
At least I hope that's what "getting back on track means".
But I loved the way you wrote it.
Stella
Gary
Hi Stella,
Thanks... I also hope to be wrong... however somehow I felt a need to both vent
and rationalize my continued watching (as well as some real fascination,
wondering how bad it'll get:-).. hehe you did pick out my mood:-)
Regards
Aaron
<none...@no.spam.please.usa.net> wrote:
Your spellbindingly affecting message almost makes me want to start
watching the show again. Unfortunately, I'm not that much of a
masochist.
Jeanannd
================
But this week might be good...no can't promise it will be (wish I could), but
...come on...try it <snicker> you might like it. If during the show you don't
like it...just use the remote and click!
I thought I could organize freedom - Bjork - The Hunter
jeanad (AKA) jeanannd
AlanD
>
>>Could it be that the "Powers that be" have finally bowed to the will of the
>>fans and that the character of Lazarus was really.......William Boone?>>
>
>wasen't this episdoe taped before the fans began to complain?..I thought they
>had alreadt taped 11 episodes?
They had plenty of chances to alter an episode. Especially
Remembering Boone's death scene was a VERY short sequence, as well as
the very last one. Apparently, the original scene only had Sandoval
looking into the regeneration incubator, along with saying a few
words, to Boone as he floated inside.
Zo'or's tank murder was added later; cutting out important connections
between Boone and Liam in a few future episode. However, Boon'es
means of death was important to note. He die, not from his wounds,
but at the hand of a Taelon who disperses his enery, similer
Expect the best... prepare for the worst.
[Knock the "raxx" out of the email address--spamicide]
AlanD
wrote:
<SNORT!!>
Okay, so he's not the experienced actor that Kilner was. He DOES have
the talent waiting to come out though. Part of the idea about Liam's
character is that even though he possesses incredible abilities from
his Chimeron father, Ha'gal, he is still essentially a child. Those
"looks" on his face are no accident. Kids make them all the time.
Stay tuned.... don't overlooked the finer details!
AlanD
<none...@no.spam.please.usa.net> wrote:
>D.Oliver wrote in message <72ltbi$39q$2...@supernews.com>...
>>So now the producers can say that they brought him back. Now.... what do
>>we bitch about?
>
>
>D.,
>I don't mean to be offensive, but if you really believe the nexus of complaint
>(the gravamen if you will) regarding the change in orientation for season 2
>centers on the death of Boone, well I feel sorry for you. Obviously you don't
>get it.
Dear "Regards":
Do you think YOU get it? The death of Boone IS a major "nexus" of the
whole E:FC story! As far as your "center" -- perhaps you don't
realize there isn't just one. Let's see...
>The change from dramatic science fiction to science fantasy, the creation of a
>comic book type superhero (to save humanity... note, in case you don't know,
>this was the line for superman, alien from an advanced race, came to earth with
>his goodness, insight and "advanced" super powers to help us out, this is
>virtually Liams story as well, it is comic book).
Perhaps. But Liam doesn't posses anything more than the what the
Ha'gel character had in your "dramatic science fiction." That Ha'gel
came to earth is no afterthought, but a VERY crucial part of the full
story. One which will be shown in time. Liam is no more fantasy than
Ha'gel, OR the Taelons, since the Taelons owe their existence to
Ha'gel's race from the very beginning when the Taelon's were the
Avatars. Are the Avatars "science fantasy" as well?
>The relegation of Augur to
>some kind of adolescent nerdy fantasy of "hacker", institution of holo-lilly to
>add schlock cheesecake,
What hacker do you know who isn't an adolescent? Augur's infatuation
with Lilly goes back to the first season, so that should not have been
a surprise. Whether or not it was "tasteful" (should it be?) is
certainly our right to complain.
>loss of continuity between virtually every episode,
That's a mighty BIG blanket statement. Shallow too. In EVERY
episode, there has been important continuing information giving within
the overall story. It depends on where you choose to look.
>trivialization of the Taelons into essentially large, white, bald, skinny
>humans, even the trivialization of plot week to week, it's now almost always
>who's trying to off who.
I fail to see your logic in this. Especially regarding the ongoing
revelation of the Taelon culture as a scheming bunch, who, much LIKE
humans, have ulterior motives for every species they contact. They
angered the Jaridians because of it, and the Jaridians hold the power
to wipe out the Taelon race. (Remember, when the Jaridian fighter
probe came in contact with non-threatening humans, it chose to cloak
and leave them alone. The Jaridians are not interested in the Human
race unless they fight for the Taelons.) The original Jaridian probe
was put on earth to report back human extremes in case the Taelons
used them, but was instructed to use force only when necessary. Every
sci-fi show I know has someone trying to "off" someone else. The
Borg, the Dominion (Star Trek), the X-file aliens, etc, etc...
I suppose they could all just "get along"!
>Complain about Boone dying? No way... having a primary character move on is a
>good thing... or it can be... do I wish in other Science Fiction programs that
>even likable characters moved on... yes... that some even died... sure. Having a
>likable key figure die could have really tested the Doors, it could have
>dissociated Da'an with a means of insight to humanity, heck, it could have
>become a huge positive, forcing the cast to deal with (each in their own way)
>the loss of someone important to them (on many levels). Instead we get the pot
>hole fill which is Liam.
Complain about Boone staying alive? Right on! Having a key character
die IS often a good thing. Having Boone live on and on with his alien
virus chugging in his head blows the entire E:FC mythology. Boone
coming back as a "Liam" is worse than any "pothole" I can think of
compared to the current character.
> Like a pot hole, it doesn't exactly fit the hole, and
>in this case it's way too large... the super power of the week, the dimension of
>the week, the time travel of the week far transcends any vacancy left by the
>death of the Boone character.
Perhaps. But you're also forgetting about the story. Where did the
Taelons come from? Was it not by way of a "superpower"? Don't
Taelon's travel in interdimension--or not? Is it your opinion that
going to a different dimension is so far fetched, given the Taelon's
abilities to do it themselves? (Albeit they found out long ago that
using that knowledge ultimately ended in chaos, as Liam and Augur
found out; limiting it's design for linear travel.)
If you think that all this is supposed to "transcend" Boone's death,
I'm afraid I can't help you.
>I find it incomprehensible you believe the death of Boone is the basis of
>complaint with season 2 on this baord. One of us, obviously is reading a
>newsgroup from a different dimension (pardon me if I hope it's you).
I bid you greetings from your homeland of Imirica!
AlanD
wrote:
>So now the producers can say that they brought him back. Now.... what do
>we bitch about?
>
Well, that was the plan from he very beginning. Boone's death was
always part of the full story. However, with the kind of death in the
E:FC world, it's not what it seems!
Bitch about the timing. Not that Boone had to die to become a
fulfillment of the mythology in the Taelon/Human/Joining scheme of
things.
Stay Tuned, or you'll miss important subtle details!
AlanD
<~wpow...@texas.net> wrote:
>Gary,
>
>I don't mean to be insultive or condescending, either... It was the
>death of Cmdr. Willam Boone, and the inadequate explanation of the
>'non-renewal' of Kevin Kilner's E:FC contract that brought my irritating
>presence onto this NG... If Boone were still around in the Second
>Season, but the plots remained at their 'stinking', schlocky level that
>they are at now, I would still be happily toodling along watching the
>show, and a great deal of people would be less aggravated by my
>'ghosting' here...
I think your reaction is well noted. You're not the only one who
feels that Kilner and the Boone character sacrificed at the wrong
time. It certainly altered much of the early 2nd season plot and
changed some important original story sequences.
However, the full story is still very much salvageable. It includes
Boone's return and a his overall key roll in the twist on Earth's
fate.
>Agreed, that the loss of Boone is *not* the primary reason the show is
>going downhill, *fast*, but it was the loss that started the 'ball
>rolling', at least for me...
Unfortunately, Kilner should NOT have been sacrificed to save money
for the show. He was their bread and butter, not doubt. And his time
was not right. But don't use that unfortunate outcome make you see
the Liam character, or the story TOO negatively, or that's ALL you'll
be able to see. Just a thought...
AlanD
>
>>Could it be that the "Powers that be" have finally bowed to the will of the
>>fans and that the character of Lazarus was really.......William Boone?>>
>
>wasen't this episdoe taped before the fans began to complain?..I thought they
>had alreadt taped 11 episodes?
Yes, but they also have the opportunity to alter various scenes well
within a shorter perimeter. Boone's death was not supposed to
originally come by Zo'or's hand in the healing tank. Boone should
have continued on, slightly disabled as a mentor to Liam to help Da'an
before his betrayal at the literal hand of Zo'or and his desire to
control the outcome of the Taelon hierarchy.
The tank murder of Boone was added later on, after Kilner was told his
contract wouldn't be renew ed for the 2nd season.
We should see a few hints of Boone (as in the Lazarus character) along
with a more pronounce return possibly as soon as the 3rd season; if
not the 4th. (If it survives that far...!)
AlanD
>I think Lazarus was implanted with some of Boone's memories, just as Boone was
>implanted with the false memories of a love affair in OldFlame. Remember,
>Taelon technology allows them to implant memories that seem like they really
>happened to you.
>
Close but not quite. If you paid attention to the episode, you'll
have notice that Augur was actually fighting his Russian comrade with
a new body; the former occupant was no longer inside.
Earth Final Conflict is actually a very complex story, and I can tell
you that, most likely, it should be completed after about 5 seasons.
(The average life span of most successful TV series.) The writers had
basically remained in line with the original intent of the Roddenberry
scripts, allowing for filling in creative details without the
advantage of Gene R's input. I guarantee you, Boone is not out of the
picture. In fact, he's still a pivotal character on the story in
spite of his "death."
Boone was supposed to die. However, he didn't have to die in the
first season, and I believe that it was a mistake to do it so soon
because I believe (sorry, not going to name names) that Boone was
supposed to become a mentor to Liam before his CVI went bad, giving
Zo'or his opportunity to fulfill the prophecy of Pike's insight.
Lazarus indeed WAS Boone. Zo'or, as you recall, obtained Boone's DNA
code from the vaccine donated to Zo'or by Boone, opening up the way
and means for Zo'or to control Boone in a VERY direct way. Remember,
Ro'ha was able to revive his Shakarava after being injected with human
DNA. The idea was that Boone wasn't a violent person, so Zo'or could
not use his Shakarava at the same level, but he COULD still use it on
Boone, which he certainly did!
But Boone did not die normally, nor was his essence completely
eliminated because Zo'or, in using that DNA to eliminate Boone,
ironically preserved Boone within him. Zo'or only knocked off the
physical being.
Also, remember that Boone's sister was implanted with a child that the
Taelons took; Zo'or unquestionably took charge of that child. That
child grew at a rapid rate, becoming "Lazarus," or the "Resurrected"
one. Boone's memories were placed inside Lazarus because Zo'or
thought he could rid the essence of Boone out of him; and THEN block
the memory of Lazarus into someone else, other that Boone. Zo'or was
also hoping for a superior "test" subject in Lazarus.
Unfortunately for Zo'or, he may still have Boone's essence in him.
(Recall the failure of Ro'ha to expel the DNA essence within himself,
where Zo'or convinced Ro'ha that he was "polluting" the Taelon
Commonality!)
Da'an obvious woke Lazarus/Boone up with his connection, bringing
everything back.
Yes, Lazarus/Boone died, but that episode revealed some vital
information about Boone's certain immortality. He is going to play an
extremely important roll in the coming seasons.
Whether or not Kevin Kilner returns back as Boone's true essence
depends on how Kilner may feel about returning to E:FC after the
neglectful way he was handle by some of the show's producers. I think
very highly of Kilner's character to overcome it. Kilner MADE Boone
and was a highly skilled actor, as stated by his co-workers and
others. Kilner himself said he would love to return to the show, so I
personally believe that when the Boone legend begins to develop, we
will certain see Kilner in VERY intriguing roll!
That's all for now.... stay tuned.
bsno...@postoffice.swbell.net
Gary
It appears you are going to zealously defend season 2, which is ok. However if
you would spend the time to read the post of mine, which you replied to, perhaps
your response would be different.
My comment was directed to the complaints about poor writing, poor production
and generally the sorry state EFC season 2 finds itself in. I understand from
reading your posts you feel things are going well, which is ok to feel...
however as my comment was directed to a general sentiment shared by many posting
on this newsgroup I would appreciate your respecting those sentiments despite
their not being in agreement with your own.
Regards
Gary
>Yes, but they also have the opportunity to alter various scenes well
>within a shorter perimeter. Boone's death was not supposed to
>originally come by Zo'or's hand in the healing tank. Boone should
>have continued on, slightly disabled as a mentor to Liam to help Da'an
>before his betrayal at the literal hand of Zo'or and his desire to
>control the outcome of the Taelon hierarchy.
>
>The tank murder of Boone was added later on, after Kilner was told his
>contract wouldn't be renew ed for the 2nd season.
>
Hi again Alan,
So what are we supposed to do? Ignore the poor writing, poor direction, numerous
plot inconsistancies, character changes which vastly change the nature of the
program and instead imagine we see what Alan believes "should" have happened?
Somehow Alan, I don't see it the way you do... much goes on in your head.... but
it isn't whats produced. Now when my station airs Alan final conflict... the way
it should have been... I'd be happy to consider posting on the
alt.tv.alan-final-conflict newsgroup:-) Until then... I think my comments will
be more or less directed to what I see produced and aired by the EFC executive
producers and the various stations which play it.
Regards
Gary
<3652EC0B...@postoffice.swbell.net>...
>Does anyone have a Mirror?
Hi,
I'm not sure how to feel about Alan and EFC... he appears to be vividly
experiencing something the rest of us are plain and simply missing. Not only has
he filled in any hole in any script/plot he has seen, but he seems overflowing
with all sorts of concepts... none of which appear to anyone but Alan... his EFC
definately seems to be more enjoyable than the sorry excuse for Sci Fi EFC
season 2 has been for me... though if enjoyment of EFC required loss of
connection with general reality... maybe I'll pass... though at least Alan's
narratives fillers and all offer some insight to the demographic EFC has caught
in season 2.
AlanD
>On 15 Nov 1998 16:56:08 GMT, rpri...@aol.com (Rprince77) wrote:
>
>>
>>>Could it be that the "Powers that be" have finally bowed to the will of the
>>>fans and that the character of Lazarus was really.......William Boone?>>
>>
>>wasen't this episdoe taped before the fans began to complain?..I thought they
>>had alreadt taped 11 episodes?
>
>They had plenty of chances to alter an episode. Especially
>Remembering Boone's death scene was a VERY short sequence, as well as
>the very last one. Apparently, the original scene only had Sandoval
>looking into the regeneration incubator, along with saying a few
>words, to Boone as he floated inside.
>
>Zo'or's tank murder was added later; cutting out important connections
>between Boone and Liam in a few future episode. However, Boon'es
>means of death was important to note. He die, not from his wounds,
>but at the hand of a Taelon who disperses his enery, similer
...meant to say,
... who disperses his energy similar to the fashion seen from the
Taelons.
Hookedarug
>
>>I think Lazarus was implanted with some of Boone's memories, just as Boone
>was implanted with the false memories of a love affair in OldFlame. Remember,
>>Taelon technology allows them to implant memories that seem like they really
>>happened to you.
>>
>Close but not quite. If you paid attention to the episode, you'll
>have notice that Augur was actually fighting his Russian comrade with
>a new body; the former occupant was no longer inside.
Actually, I paid very close attention to the episode :-). My personal theory
is that the Taelons have the ability to place memories in a person's brain
that make the person think he/she actually experienced that event. My support
for this is Old Flame, where Boone was implanted with memories of a love
affair he never had. Additionally, the CVI technology supports this theory
because it is Taelon technology which lets you re-experience your memories as
if they were happening now.
With this type of technology, you could conceivably implant the
memory/experience of the Russian scientist in someone else's mind, and he
would believe that he was the Russian. You could then transfer these
experiential memories back into the original body, and again have a similar
effect.
This is why I do NOT believe, for example, that Lili's father was actually in
the soldier's (Johnson?) body. Instead, it was a copy of her father's
experiential memories implanted in this other man. Even Lili herself doubts
that this is actually her father, but she finds it helpful to understand her
father's thoughts better.
Although I would prefer that the Boone character had not been killed, I find
it offensive to think that Zo'or dishonors the life that was William Boone by
preserving and experimenting with parts of Boone's memories.
PkJ0891
AlanD wrote:
>Part of the idea about Liam's
>character is that even though he possesses incredible abilities from
>his Chimeron father, Ha'gal, he is still essentially a child. Those
>"looks" on his face are no accident. Kids make them all the time.
>
>
Yes, and there are a lot of scifi fans who have no patience with WonderBoy
smartasses, me included. What I do *not* understand is how the E:FC folks, who
should have known how controversial Wesley Crusher was, could write a slightly
older, not even completely human, version of Wesley. No offense to the actor
who plays Liam (or Wil Wheaton), but I cannot stand this character.
PkJ0891
AlanD wrote, totally confusing me:
>Lazarus indeed WAS Boone. Zo'or, as you recall, obtained Boone's DNA
>code from the vaccine donated to Zo'or by Boone, opening up the way
>and means for Zo'or to control Boone in a VERY direct way. Remember,
>Ro'ha was able to revive his Shakarava after being injected with human
>DNA. The idea was that Boone wasn't a violent person, so Zo'or could
>not use his Shakarava at the same level, but he COULD still use it on
>Boone, which he certainly did!
>
>But Boone did not die normally, nor was his essence completely
>eliminated because Zo'or, in using that DNA to eliminate Boone,
>ironically preserved Boone within him. Zo'or only knocked off the
>physical being.
>
>Also, remember that Boone's sister was implanted with a child that the
>Taelons took; Zo'or unquestionably took charge of that child. That
>child grew at a rapid rate, becoming "Lazarus," or the "Resurrected"
>one. Boone's memories were placed inside Lazarus because Zo'or
>thought he could rid the essence of Boone out of him; and THEN block
>the memory of Lazarus into someone else, other that Boone. Zo'or was
>also hoping for a superior "test" subject in Lazarus.
>
What???????????
Let me see if I have your theory straight . . . Sarah Boone's child became
Lazarus, who became Boone, who died. But Boone's consciousness is still . . .
where? Man, you've lost me on this one. You wanna run this by me again? I
don't get it. This sounds like Boone's consciousness is getting zapped around
all over the place.
Cyn 6x9ELS
Well, (to play devil's advocate) why not? AlanD has a point. The dispersal of
Boone was very like the way Zo'or come to earth in the transmission in Da'an's
office. Zo'or could have sent the essence (with or without body, we never saw
the body in the casket, no Lilly weeping over him, and that is the TV tipoff
that the character isn't dead) of Boone to a holding area of the mothership and
just claimed that Boone had died to hide what he'd done. To keep Da'an off
balance and without a protector (sheer nuttyness IMHO. Da'an should have had
resumes of replacements on file for immediate hire of a replacement before
going out to a public funeral. Especially in the company of the leader Qo'on.)
*Anyway*, Da'an, I think, suspected Zo'or's deed when accessing the tank,
viewers assumed that he meant that he knew Zo'or killed Boone, but really he
knew it had been a transfer. All this would have meant is that Da'an and Zo'or
would now know for sure that Boone lacked a correct CVI. We viewers have
already been exposed to the idea that a being (Rayna) can live on inside the
alien technology and that there is a *possible* way for Boone to return. Later,
viewing the body in the 'room of horrors' and later when communing with Lazarus
Da'an discovered Zo'or's more peverse diversions. But Zo'or's touch twisted
Boone's intelegence to evil in Lazarus and drove him into a mad rage bent to
kill the Earth's Companions. Which was really a quite complicated plan if you
think about it. He had to find the Russian scientist, bargin his skills, and
arrange his transfer to the mothership. So how long has Lazarus been aware of
his past?
In article <19981118193900...@ngol02.aol.com>, pkj...@aol.com
wrote:
>This sounds like Boone's consciousness is getting zapped around
>all over the place.
Nuts! I just ripped another plot hole into the commonality. You can't go out in
public in this thing anymore...
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Cyn wrote, in response to my comment >>This sounds like Boone's consciousness
is getting zapped around
>>all over the place. :
>Well, (to play devil's advocate) why not? AlanD has a point. The dispersal of
>Boone was very like the way Zo'or come to earth in the transmission in
>Da'an's
>office. Zo'or could have sent the essence (with or without body, we never saw
>the body in the casket, no Lilly weeping over him, and that is the TV tipoff
>that the character isn't dead) of Boone to a holding area of the mothership
>and
>just claimed that Boone had died to hide what he'd done. To keep Da'an off
>balance and without a protector
I'm with you on this part. I assumed that this was the "out" the writers were
leaving for themselves if Boone was brought back to the show. Zo'or "stole"
Boone's consciousness and hid it away somewhere or in another human. Boone
could be resurrected when Da'an discovered Zo'or's nefarious plot.
(sheer nuttyness IMHO. Da'an should have had
>resumes of replacements on file for immediate hire of a replacement before
>going out to a public funeral. Especially in the company of the leader
>Qo'on.)
The whole funeral scene was goofy. Where was Sarah?
>*Anyway*, Da'an, I think, suspected Zo'or's deed when accessing the tank,
>viewers assumed that he meant that he knew Zo'or killed Boone, but really he
>knew it had been a transfer. All this would have meant is that Da'an and
>Zo'or
>would now know for sure that Boone lacked a correct CVI. We viewers have
>already been exposed to the idea that a being (Rayna) can live on inside the
>alien technology and that there is a *possible* way for Boone to return.
>Later,
>viewing the body in the 'room of horrors' and later when communing with
>Lazarus
>Da'an discovered Zo'or's more peverse diversions. But Zo'or's touch twisted
>Boone's intelegence to evil in Lazarus and drove him into a mad rage bent to
>kill the Earth's Companions. Which was really a quite complicated plan if you
>think about it. He had to find the Russian scientist, bargin his skills, and
>arrange his transfer to the mothership.
This is where AlanD lost me. I wasn't being sarcastic. I really didn't follow
his line of reasoning. If Boone was Lazarus, and Lazarus is now dead, where is
Boone's consciousness? All of AlanD's explanation about DNA and the Shakarava
confused me. It seemed to me like he was taking a rather straightforward idea
- consciousness can be removed from a body and either implanted into another or
re-implanted back into the original body - and throwing some huge curveballs
into it, none of which I didn't get and still don't.
> So how long has Lazarus been aware of
>his past?
That was completely glossed over.
Candace Carlisle
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>
> This is where AlanD lost me. I wasn't being sarcastic. I really
> didn't follow his line of reasoning. If Boone was Lazarus, and
> Lazarus is now dead, where is Boone's consciousness? All of AlanD's
> explanation about DNA and the Shakarava confused me. It seemed to me
> like he was taking a rather straightforward idea - consciousness can
> be removed from a body and either implanted into another or
> re-implanted back into the original body - and throwing some huge
> curveballs into it, none of which I didn't get and still don't.
>
My $0.02...
That was the part in "Moonscape" that made a strange sort of sense...
Instead of thinking of the Human Consciousness as a token that is passed
from one body to another, I had the impression that 'copies' were being
made... The Russian scientist, as an example, had a 'copy' of his
consciousness placed into that younger body, while the scientist
himself, still alive, was placed into 'cold storage'. When the younger
body rejected the Taelon implants, that 'copy' of the Russian
scientist's consciousness passed away with it, but a 'good' copy still
existed in the older body in stasis, which Lazarus later released to
wreak havoc...
Of course, I put forth this conjecture with the full knowledge of the
headache that it has a potential of causing... For example, a myriad of
cloned Lazarusii with copies of Boone, Sandoval, Lilli, et. al.
consciousnesses inhabiting all the bodies... Oy Vey!<rubbing temples>
The Edwardian
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"Hey! waitaminute, *I'M* Boone!", "No, you both are wrong, I'm
Boone...")
>
> PKJ
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PkJ0891
The Edwardian patiently explained to confused me:
>That was the part in "Moonscape" that made a strange sort of sense...
>Instead of thinking of the Human Consciousness as a token that is passed
>from one body to another, I had the impression that 'copies' were being
>made... The Russian scientist, as an example, had a 'copy' of his
>consciousness placed into that younger body, while the scientist
>himself, still alive, was placed into 'cold storage'. When the younger
>body rejected the Taelon implants, that 'copy' of the Russian
>scientist's consciousness passed away with it, but a 'good' copy still
>existed in the older body in stasis, which Lazarus later released to
>wreak havoc...
>
>
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, *copies*, not the original. I've got to go back and watch
that ep again. So a *copy* of Boone was put into (presumably) Sarah's baby
(Lazarus)? I'm still not sure how DNA and the Shakarava fit into this, but at
least I now have some vague idea of what to look for.
>Of course, I put forth this conjecture with the full knowledge of the
headache that it has a potential of causing... For example, a myriad of
cloned Lazarusii with copies of Boone, Sandoval, Lilli, et. al.
consciousnesses inhabiting all the bodies... Oy Vey!<rubbing temples>
Oy Vey, indeed! I can see why the "copy" theory never occurred to me. It's
just a bit convoluted (or will lead to convolutions???????). But, hey, I just
got out my notes from The Devil You Know, and that fits with this episode's
(omigod, a consistency!) dialogue.
Da'an: "The man known as Thomas Blanchard is dead. His body endures, but his
mind is silent. Human science has long sought to capture and REPLICATE neural
intelligence within the form of ARTIFICIAL intelligence. . . . " [emphasis
mine]
I kept thinking it was a transfer of consciousness, hence my confusion.
Thanks!
Merrick Baldelli
>However, the full story is still very much salvageable. It includes
>Boone's return and a his overall key roll in the twist on Earth's
>fate.
How is Boone going to return? Kilner's stated in a chat that
I believe is archived at Philosophy Sphere that he would be sore
pressed in coming back to E:FC considering how they didn't renew his
contract.
And putting another actor in his place simply won't wash as
anything less than the typical soap opera tripe one can watch between
11:30 AM through to about 4 PM weekdays on most major networks do when
actors come and go, but their characters remain.
>Unfortunately, Kilner should NOT have been sacrificed to save money
>for the show.
I never got any impression that his contract NOT being renewed
had anything to do with money, considering the amount of CGI that has
been added to the show (Wonder Wesley's shakaravah's, the Taelon
mothership, and so on).
New direction is not always synonymous with budgetary cuts.
Considering the current product we're seeing, I think it
definitely had to do with the thought that TPTB wanted more action,
less dialog.
>And his time was not right.
Whose time was not right? Boone's? With the exclusion of the
people that did indeed believe that the First Season revolved entirely
too much around his one character, and all the other characters were
nothing more than a supporting cast, most people here were pretty much
approving of Boone in some manner or another.
>But don't use that unfortunate outcome make you see
>the Liam character, or the story TOO negatively, or that's ALL you'll
>be able to see. Just a thought...
Huh? Ummm, pardon me if I seem rather snide, but, "what color
*is* the sky in your world?"
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>My $0.02...
>
>That was the part in "Moonscape" that made a strange sort of sense...
>Instead of thinking of the Human Consciousness as a token that is passed
>from one body to another, I had the impression that 'copies' were being
>made... The Russian scientist, as an example, had a 'copy' of his
>consciousness placed into that younger body, while the scientist
>himself, still alive, was placed into 'cold storage'. When the younger
>body rejected the Taelon implants, that 'copy' of the Russian
>scientist's consciousness passed away with it, but a 'good' copy still
>existed in the older body in stasis, which Lazarus later released to
>wreak havoc...
>
Finally! Someone who agrees with my theory! I posted a similar theory at this
news group:
Subject: Re: Lazarus! Could it be???????
From: hooke...@aol.com (Hookedarug)
Date: 11/18/98 3:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
>
"My personal theory is that the Taelons have the ability to place memories in a
person's brain that make the person think he/she actually experienced that
event. My support
for this is Old Flame, where Boone was implanted with memories of a love
affair he never had. Additionally, the CVI technology supports this theory
because it is Taelon technology which lets you re-experience your memories as
if they were happening now.
With this type of technology, you could conceivably implant the
memory/experience of the Russian scientist in someone else's mind, and he
would believe that he was the Russian. You could then transfer these
experiential memories back into the original body, and again have a similar
effect.
This is why I do NOT believe, for example, that Lili's father was actually in
the soldier's (Johnson?) body. Instead, it was a copy of her father's
experiential memories implanted in this other man. Even Lili herself doubts
that this is actually her father, but she finds it helpful to understand her
father's thoughts better.
----
The Edwardian continues:
>Of course, I put forth this conjecture with the full knowledge of the
>headache that it has a potential of causing... For example, a myriad of
>cloned Lazarusii with copies of Boone, Sandoval, Lilli, et. al.
>consciousnesses inhabiting all the bodies... Oy Vey!<rubbing temples>
I agree. Although I would prefer that the Boone character had not been killed,
PkJ0891
Candace Carlisle asked:
>How do we know Lazarus was Sarah's child? Or are you guys just guessing?
>
>
We don't know it. It's AlanD's theory (I think). Makes for some interesting
speculation, even though it kinda comes out of nowhere. It ties together the
missing Sarah and her baby and Boone, and it's just the kind of nasty thing
Zo'or would do.
The Edwardian
that episode ("Through the Looking Glass"), I thought the supposed
Taelon/Human hybrid child that Sarah (Boone's sister) was carrying had
miscarried? Or did it just disappear?
The Edwardian
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The Edwardian
>
> The Edwardian patiently explained to confused me:
>
Sorry, I did not mean to sound confrontational... I was just putting
forth my impressions, and possible interpretation of that 'item' in
"Moonscape". Didn't mean for it to sound like the 'endall' of the
discussion, just a mildly plausible explanation...
>
> >
> >That was the part in "Moonscape" that made a strange sort of sense...
> >Instead of thinking of the Human Consciousness as a token that is
> >passed from one body to another, I had the impression that 'copies'
> >were being made...
> >
>
> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, *copies*, not the original. I've got to go back and
> watch that ep again. So a *copy* of Boone was put into (presumably)
> Sarah's baby (Lazarus)?
>
I guess that would be correct, if you want to support AlanD's
speculations... However, I am keeping my 'tongue in my cheek' until I
see some 'real' evidence of this in forthcoming shows (if there will be
any more...).
>
> I'm still not sure how DNA and the Shakarava fit into this, but at
> least I now have some vague idea of what to look for.
>
I am also neither sure of AlanD's ideas about DNA and 'shaquarava', as
he seems to fit them into the "Moonscape" episode, and previous Seacond
Season E:FC Episodes... I, too, was waiting for a slightly clearer
explanation, not that AlanD doesn't have 'some' points...
>
> >Of course, I put forth this conjecture with the full knowledge of the
> >headache that it has a potential of causing... For example, a myriad
> >of cloned Lazarusii with copies of Boone, Sandoval, Lilli, et. al.
> >consciousnesses inhabiting all the bodies... Oy Vey!<rubbing
> >temples>
>
> Oy Vey, indeed! I can see why the "copy" theory never occurred to me.
> It's just a bit convoluted (or will lead to convolutions???????).
>
You can definitely say that again! It almost 'stayed my hand' from
writing my original post, my head swirling with all the 'messy'
implications...
>
> But, hey, I just got out my notes from The Devil You Know, and that
> fits with this episode's (omigod, a consistency!) dialogue.
>
> Da'an: "The man known as Thomas Blanchard is dead. His body endures,
> but his mind is silent. Human science has long sought to capture and
> REPLICATE neural intelligence within the form of ARTIFICIAL
> intelligence. . . . " [emphasis mine]
>
However, isn't in the "The Devil You Know" episode that the 'copies'
conjecture breaks down? In transfering a 'consciousness copy' of
Lilli's father into Thomas Blanchard, the episode made it clear that
Lilli's father was then dead. At the beginning of the episode, Liili's
father looked like he was on his 'last legs', and still smoking; could
have been that he was going to die soon anyway... Is he really dead, or
is he in 'cold storage', like the Russian was? Oy! That's making
spikes in my brain, the sheer convolution of it. Oy!
>
> I kept thinking it was a transfer of consciousness, hence my confusion.
> Thanks!
>
Again, sorry if I sounded pendactic, that was not my intention... I was
just putting out a conjecture.
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in the medicine cabinet.)
>
> PKJ
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PkJ0891
The Edwardian asked:
>Again, I apologize for jumping in... Just a question. At the end of
>that episode ("Through the Looking Glass"), I thought the supposed
>Taelon/Human hybrid child that Sarah (Boone's sister) was carrying had
>miscarried? Or did it just disappear?
>
It just disappeared. When Sarah comes out of the portal for the last time, the
fetus was gone. Boone said that the Taelons stole it: "Sarah never had a
miscarriage. The child, if that's what it was, was removed by the Taelons
before she returned through the portal." So spaketh Boone.
PkJ0891
The Edwardian, who completely misinterpreted me, wrote:
>Sorry, I did not mean to sound confrontational... I was just putting
>forth my impressions, and possible interpretation of that 'item' in
>"Moonscape". Didn't mean for it to sound like the 'endall' of the
>discussion, just a mildly plausible explanation...
>
Aaaccccccck! I was joking about how dense I am sometimes, *not* making a crack
about your explanation. I really appreciated your help since AlanD has
vanished.
> However, isn't in the "The Devil You Know" episode that the 'copies'
conjecture breaks down? In transfering a 'consciousness copy' of
Lilli's father into Thomas Blanchard, the episode made it clear that
Lilli's father was then dead. At the beginning of the episode, Liili's
father looked like he was on his 'last legs', and still smoking; could
have been that he was going to die soon anyway... Is he really dead, or
is he in 'cold storage', like the Russian was? Oy! That's making
spikes in my brain, the sheer convolution of it. Oy!
Well, I just re-read *all* my notes on this. Hmmmmmm. Lili's dad was dying
anyway of lung cancer, and Thomas Blanchard was already clinically when Lili's
father's copied "mind" (whatever) was transferred into Blanchard's body. I
don't know what to make of this. Hookedarug had mentioned: << This is why I do
NOT believe, for example, that Lili's father was actually in the soldier's
(Johnson?) body. Instead, it was a copy of her father's experiential memories
implanted in this other man. Even Lili herself doubts that this is actually
her father, but she finds it helpful to understand her father's thoughts
better. >>
I guess my take would be that it was ONLY Lili's father's mind in Blanchard's
body since Blanchard was clinically dead when the copy was put into Blanchard's
mind to re-animate him. But how does this enlighten us about Boone (or anyone
else) being re-animated? In <gag> "Sleepers", they were kinda vague on how
long a dead person had to be dead before they were really dead! I didn't write
down if Lili's father's funeral was a closed casket (as Boone's was), and there
was no indication that Blanchard/Lil's father's mind was rescued in time to be
put in stasis so that Lili's father's mind could be copied into someone else.
(Man, this is unbelievably complicated! I think it's time to take one of my
migraine pills.)
I suppose for Boone, it means that as long as his body is floating in the tank,
he could be re-animated.
BTW, Hookedarug, I did read your post when you posted it the first time, but my
mind was in first gear, and your thoughts didn't compute. Sorry! Any more
thoughts on this subject?
Merrick Baldelli
Carlisle) wrote:
>How do we know Lazarus was Sarah's child? Or are you guys just guessing?
Just guessing. :)
Hookedarug
There are several theories floating around about 'reanimating' Boone. One is
that his soul is in the Taelon soul tank (Sleepers). This doesn't make sense
to me, because the souls were still vitally connected to the actual bodies.
When the bodies died, the souls went away (and they had to "round up another
group"). Another idea is that they saved Boone's CVI, which they can then
place in someone else's mind. I would think they would have had to remove the
CVI before Zo'or vaporized Boone. If they removed the CVI, wouldn't Boone die
anyway, so why vaporize him? The other idea is to take his consciousness or
memory which Zo'or has possibly saved (ex. Lazarus) and put it in someone
else's mind. In my opinion, this would not really bring back Boone the man.
It would only bring back Boone the memory (great for the guy who wants to write
Boone's biography). However, as far as the storyline goes, it might help a new
character be more quickly accepted if it were known that he was implanted with
Boone's memories. From an ethical standpoint, I don't like the idea of messing
around with parts of people after they are dead. However, it's only a story.
pkj...@aol.com posted:
Cyn 6x9ELS
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it's the same thing as the soap opera
replacement. Maybe I'm to used to this device being used in the Dr. Who series.
Or, it's my background in theater where actors come and take a departing
actor's role. If EFC brought back Boone as another person I wouldn't mind. What
Boone had been gifted with by the psycic and what he learned are what is
important. I think it make him a more tragic character. And despite myself and
what someone else posted about not caring for a replacement character. I did
care for that warped copy of Boone, if that was who he was.
At this point I think it unrealistic to expect KK to walk into the screen as
Boone's role again. I'd be pleasantly surpried if it occurs, but too much has
occured behind the scenes and out of our knowledge for something like this to
happen. So, best hope for a way to save the character rather than the eyecandy
of the former actor playing him.
In article <365dce9f...@news.mindspring.com>, mbal...@mindspring.com
wrote:
>And putting another actor in his place simply won't wash as
>anything less than the typical soap opera tripe one can watch between
>11:30 AM through to about 4 PM weekdays on most major networks do when
>actors come and go, but their characters remain.
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PkJ0891
Hookedarug wrote:
>There are several theories floating around about 'reanimating' Boone. One is
>that his soul is in the Taelon soul tank (Sleepers). This doesn't make sense
>to me, because the souls were still vitally connected to the actual bodies.
>When the bodies died, the souls went away (and they had to "round up another
>group"). Another idea is that they saved Boone's CVI, which they can then
>place in someone else's mind. I would think they would have had to remove
>the
>CVI before Zo'or vaporized Boone. If they removed the CVI, wouldn't Boone
>die
>anyway, so why vaporize him? The other idea is to take his consciousness or
>memory which Zo'or has possibly saved (ex. Lazarus) and put it in someone
>else's mind. In my opinion, this would not really bring back Boone the man.
>It would only bring back Boone the memory (great for the guy who wants to
>write
>Boone's biography). However, as far as the storyline goes, it might help a
>new
>character be more quickly accepted if it were known that he was implanted
>with
>Boone's memories. From an ethical standpoint, I don't like the idea of
>messing
>around with parts of people after they are dead. However, it's only a story.
>
I watched Moonscape again, trying to pay special attention to the scenes
relating to Lazarus (thanks, Cyn, for the reminder about freeze frame!).
I didn't see anything during Lazarus' flashbacks when his implant was breaking
down to indicate that he had any identity that we should recognize other than
Boone. Boone's wife was present, and there was one frame that looked as though
it was a scene from when Boone was implanted with the CVI by Dr. Belman. Most
of the frames were garbled, though, so I guess there could've been something in
them I didn't interpret correctly. Also, there was that comment (I had
forgotten about) from Lazarus about it being good to see Augur again. Boone had
to be Lazarus, although he may have been someone else we might know,
previously. (Lazarus may, or may not, be dead. Dead doesn't seem to mean dead
anymore on E:FC.)
So . . . if the man floating in the tank was Boone, and Lazarus was a copy of
Boone . . . where is Boone now? When Lazarus presumably died, is Boone's
original consciousness still inside tank-Boone? That seemed to be the
implication from the scene with the Russian scientist, who was still himself
when the goo was drained from his tank. Therefore, to get back to the theories
about re-aminating Boone, it would seem to me that Zo'or did not vaporize
Boone, but had transported him to the holding tank filled with goo to keep his
body alive. Boone's consciousness is still there with him. It's just a copy
that was put into Lazarus. A copy "dying" has no effect on the original
personality. In Sleepers, it was established that the "soul" cannot be
separated from the body for too long, or the person will be permanently dead.
But I don't see how that relates to Boone who is being preserved in the goo
tank. As far as I can tell, if the writers wanted to bring back Boone, all
they'd have to do is write a way to get his body out of the tank, and voila!,
he's back. And the best part is that all of this would be completely consistent
with what's been written before, as best I can determine. Am I missing
something? This sounds too easy. (No cracks about the producers' intentions!
I know that they don't seem to want to bring back KK. I'm addressing *only*
plotline consistencies.)